Twistie
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I saw the title of this thread and thought we were about to hear a confession from the poster LOL
The Unteachable Christian: When Defending Your Position Matters More Than Truth
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The nonsense needs to stop
JunoTheServant
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Ok so can you provide scripture that proves to me that Jews need to keep the Sabbath and Gentiles don't??
He summaries all his commandments into two categories. You can't love God and do something he told you not to do.
The Sabbath makes for a very interesting discussion as it was a law whose disobedience provoked a severe response from God. He ordained death by stoning for any Israelite who failed to observe it.
As Christians we need to understand why that is and if we are not going to observe it we need to be 10000% certain of our reasoning, knowing what God's punishment for not observing it was. God does not change His mind (Num 23:19). In other words just because God may no longer require the death penalty for certain sins after Jesus does not mean His view of the sin or His hatred of it has changed.
The Sabbath was a day God commanded the Jews to keep holy in remembrance of Him delivering them from 400 years of slavery in Egypt. It was a special covenant sign between God and Israel, the chosen people through whom Jesus the Messiah would come. For a Jew it is a sign of law A. 'Love God'.
I am not a Jew. My family tree was never rescued from 400 years of slavery. If it was, I would observe it.
If I read scripture that shows Gentiles keeping the Sabbath, will you still defend this position? Do you really care about the truth or will you defend your position??
I am not going to convince you of anything, I will give you one warning though. Make sure you're correct because eternity is a very long time.
JunoTheServant
Member
All of God's commandments are dear to me. I stopped watching porn because GOD said in his commandments "Thou shalt not covet". I have no desire to be partial in God's law. I love them all.
Psalm 119: 97
97 O how love I thy law! it is my meditation all the day.
Yes I do and mediate on it. Thank GOD for all his commandments.
Psalm 119: 127
127 Therefore I love thy commandments above gold; yea, above fine gold.
Guilty as charge.
James 2: 8, 10 - 11
8 If ye fulfil the royal law according to the scripture, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself, ye do well:
10 For whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all.
11 For he that said, Do not commit adultery, said also, Do not kill. Now if thou commit no adultery, yet if thou kill, thou art become a transgressor of the law.
I am not going to cherry pick God's royal law. Same GOD that said thou shalt covet is the same God that said "remember the Sabbath to keep it holy".
Sure I will answer your questions.
I answered this question already. To repeat myself. Everyone will agree the the law is good and as soon as you mention Sabbath they get defensive and cry out "you don't have to do that no more". So I use it as my Christian checker to see where you live at.
Want to know what's interesting? People who don't keep the Sabbath also violate the other commandments. No wonder James said "whosoever shall offend in one part is guilty of all". This is just based on observation and that's why I keep them all. Otherwise I would do what everyone else is doing.
I keep the Sabbath as Jesus instructed.
Side note the pharisees did not keep the Sabbath. They showed up and preach for show and Jesus told you this. Of course I have to prove this because someone might accuse me of lying.
Matthew 23: 2 - 3
2 Saying The scribes and the Pharisees sit in Moses' seat:
3 All therefore whatsoever they bid you observe, that observe and do; but do not ye after their works: for they say, and do not.
So if the Pharisees say keep the Sabbath then Jesus is telling his disciples to do what they tell you to do. Some Pharisees were like Paul who kept the law but hated the lawgiver which is Jesus ( I know this because Paul said he kept the law). In fact that was their entire issue they hate Jesus. It's the opposite in todays world. Everybody loves Jesus (lawgiver) but they hate his law. You can't have one and leave off the other. This generation is no better than the generation Jesus lived in. So my mind is always blown when people think our generation is better than the pharisees.
Also side note the pharisees accuse the disciples of polluting the Sabbath when they were picking corn. If you read the law it permits them to do that they just can't gather in bags. Pharisees were falsely accusing the disciples and of course they would because they themselves were not doing it and they didn't understand it. Hebrews are always partial in God's law and I can read that in the bible. Jesus was teaching us how to deal with the Sabbath which is why he said he is Lord of the Sabbath.
Still waiting for someone to read to me where Jesus said "he is the Sabbath".
What weight I carry? The Lords commandments are not grievous and neither are they burdensome.
1 John 5: 3
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
Also there is no such thing as unconditional love. I ask questions to see if you who are who say you are that's all. Just by getting you to talk when I didn't direct my question to you showed me where you live. It's not for me to judge you. I am a Nobody, a peon and a plebian. I will check people out because Jesus said to check people out so please don't be offended cause I ask questions.
Matthew 24: 5
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.
It's like we are saying "oh Jesus you are overreacting no one is going to deceive anyone in your name". Anyone who calls themselves a Christian is literally saying they are a follower of Christ. All of a sudden people let their guard down just because someone declares "I'm a Christian". So because you say you're a Christian I should be your buddy, when you could well be a liar or just someone who got deceived just like Eve. So I ask to clarify. Jesus kept the Sabbath so I always ask people if they keep the Sabbath because if you claim to follow Jesus then why you ain't doing what he did??
I initially ignored these questions because it feels like you are accusing me of something when that's not my intention at all. I check everyone out who claims to be a Christian, including family members. Just because you got Jesus in your mouth and go to church that don't make you a Christian, this applies to me and the entire world.
Twistie
Loyal
And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made.
And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made.
One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.
Let no man therefore judge you in meat or drink, or in respect to a holy day or the new moon or the Sabbath days,
There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ
Idk where you are at but hubby n i have both been called into the Lords rest..we have rested from our works..we are done in what i deem the rat race we just live in the Lord day by day doing what we are told..
Took me a good 5/6 yrs to realize that i was called into His rest
This is the day the Lord has made let us rejoice and be glad
Hope ya find what ya looking for..
(・o・)
KingJ
Loyal
I saw the title of this thread and thought we were about to hear a confession from the poster LOL
Mockery is not very Christian....
I am open to confession. What do you feel I teach that is false and misrepresents God?
I know for a fact that you teach a version of non-OSAS that implies God is terribly unjust and paint Him as pure evil with your belief on eternal torture of the wicked.
KingJ
Loyal
Then you should leave the thread. You have a reading disability and ask questions that are 1 IQ.
KingJ
Loyal
Acts 15:19-20 and 28-29 records the decision of the apostles and elders concerning what was required of Gentile believers. Sabbath observance was not included. Colossians 2:16-17 also specifically warns against allowing anyone to judge believers regarding a sabbath day.
You are correct that we cannot love God while deliberately disobeying His commandments. The question is whether the Sabbath was commanded of Gentile Christians under the New Covenant or is something we need to consider, as is the case with tithing. You cannot simply assume that every commandment given to Israel applies identically to Gentile believers.