The Trinity

[David1954]

You know I am done with you.

I have figured you out and proved your doctrines wrong.

If you can't hear the Bible, and I know you can't, you can ask God to let you.

That's what I did.

 

[David1954]

Catholics and Orthodox and Protestants are too busy defending their own doctrines.

I am free to call out Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons for their nonsense.

 

[Samson2020]

"The Lord said to my Lord" so which Lord you wanna use here as if I didn't already know. And the Lord (GOD) eventually came to the BODY of JESUS which is the temple at
his baptism in the Holy Ghost at Jordan. But your gonna see whatever you want to see whether it be truth or not.

For someone who wants to use scripture to support their point of view you sure don't give much support.

And I have mentioned this before but maybe you missed it I am not a Jehovah Witness or any other denominational person. Just for the record I've never even seen the inside of one of their facilities.

 

[Samson2020]

You know I am done with you.

I have figured you out and proved your doctrines wrong.

If you can't hear the Bible, and I know you can't, you can ask God to let you.

That's what I did.

Not exactly sure how you figure you proved my doctrines wrong as you never answered a single question. That is the spirit of diversion working to divert the subject away from the questions as the truth hurts him too much. But believe what you will I made a very strong case but you refused to even look at it.

 

[Sue D.]

@Samson2020 -- you don't like to listen to anyone with a belief that is different than yours.

Actually it Is someone who's been Trying to show you things that you won't listen to. You are Determined in your own non-acceptance of Scriptural truths.

 

[Samson2020]

Not sure what your reading there Sue but every verse he threw out was explained away. And he never once gave any response to my questions. I thought It was laid out about as clearly as could be laid out using scripture to support every word. But trinitarians like yourself only see what they want to see which ain't much.

 

[Dave M]

you can tell who has the truth by who demonstrates the fruit of the spirit and love in there postings, its obvious to those who have it. And yet escapes those who dont

Galatians 5:22-23
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, self-control; against such things there is no law.

1 Corinthians 13:4-8
Love is patient and kind; love does not envy or boast; it is not arrogant or rude. It does not insist on its own way; it is not irritable or resentful; it does not rejoice at wrongdoing, but rejoices with the truth. Love bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things. Love never ends. As for prophecies, they will pass away; as for tongues, they will cease; as for knowledge, it will pass away.

 

[David1954]

Not sure what your reading there Sue but every verse he threw out was explained away.

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

 

[David1954]

Mal 3:1 " Behold I send my messenger (John the Baptist). And he will prepare the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to his temple, Even the messenger of the covenant (Jesus), in whom you delight. Behold he (Jesus) is coming saith the Lord of hosts(God).
However in John 1:30 " This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a MAN which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
I can see the confusion in that when he says prepare the way before me, you take that me as God?
I see God saying I'm sending John the Baptist to prepare the way before me. But he sent a man named Jesus, whom he would indwell and speak to the people through as Jesus says. "I in the Father and the Father in me." And "the words I speak I speak not of myself but the Father doeth the works." "I have given them the words that thou hast given me..."

"I see the confusion, you see God saying, the Lord is coming, when God says, the Lord is coming. I see God not saying that."

 

[Sue D.]

In John 1:30 -- The context is vs 29 "The next day John saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, "Behold! The Lamb of God who takes away the sin of the world! vs 30 This is He of whom I said, 'After me comes a Man (Jesus Christ ) who is preferred before me, for He was before me."

It's John talking about Jesus Christ.

 

[Samson2020]

Mal 3:1 " Behold I send my messenger (John the Baptist). And he will prepare the way before Me. And the Lord, whom you seek, will suddenly come to his temple, Even the messenger of the covenant (Jesus), in whom you delight. Behold he (Jesus) is coming saith the Lord of hosts(God).
However in John 1:30 " This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a MAN which is preferred before me: for he was before me.
I can see the confusion in that when he says prepare the way before me, you take that me as God?
I see God saying I'm sending John the Baptist to prepare the way before me. But he sent a man named Jesus, whom he would indwell and speak to the people through as Jesus says. "I in the Father and the Father in me." And "the words I speak I speak not of myself but the Father doeth the works." "I have given them the words that thou hast given me..."

Yes John was talking about Jesus the MAN. I was mis quoted so I reposted the original

 

[rhern53]

Yes John was talking about Jesus the MAN. I was mis quoted so I reposted the original

I know you believe in salvation through our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.

Some people tend to go overboard in their inspiration and you have to wonder where it's coming from.

I have no problem with what you say.

 

[Samson2020]

Be zealous therefore..........

Matthew 10:27 "What I tell you in darkness that speak ye in light; and what ye hear in the ear, that preach ye upon the housetops." Without inspiration we wouldn't say a word.

 

[Brother Paul]

I am not offended but do not hold to this doctrine.

Someone had to die for the sin of the world. It was clear in the Mosaic Law that sin was removed only by the shedding of blood.

Hebrews 9:16 "For where there is a testament, there must also of necessity be the DEATH of the testator.

Phl 2:8 " And being found in fashion as a man, He humbled himself and became obedient to the point of DEATH, even the DEATH of the cross."

There have been a few who say Jesus was God in the flesh, but if that were true he could not have died. Some even say that he did not die??????

So I ask them to please explain the following: "If thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thine heart that
GOD HATH RAISED HIM FROM THE DEAD, thou shalt be saved."

How can we say that he was not a man as God cannot die, but Jesus did, or God could not have raised him from the dead. Our statement of faith is not that God raised himself from the dead, it is he raised Jesus from the dead.

But when confronted with these few scriptures they ALL run away and hide their eyes from these simple facts. Clinging to their doctrine as more precious than the TRUTH.

If anyone has ever wondered why the Catholic Church or Islam has prospered on the earth it can be found right here.

They both deny the SON of GOD, one says he was God in the flesh (trinity), the other says he was just a prophet(Islam). The devil has been given tools with which to deceive the world and blind the eyes of those who are intended to be blind. He who hath eyes to see let him see.

The main point here I believe is captured in this statement "

How can we say that he was not a man as God cannot die, but Jesus did"

The point is the MAN Christ Jesus was of Mary, of the line of David (the seed of the woman - Genesis 3:15) but the spirit in Him was YHVH, the Word/Son....God was IN HIM reconciling the world to Himself. YHVH allowed Himself to become INCARNATE in this child (hence the Son of God - that aspect of YHVH which can be seen and heard - John 5:37-38 - became the Son of Man).

The understanding is further clarified in the book of Hebrews where in Hebrews 1 it addresses "the Son" who is the king of the Angels, who created all things, to whim the angels bow down and worship, etc. but in Hebrews 2 we are told that JESUS was MADE a little lower than the angels. Hence "the Son" is YHVH manifest to us in some form or another (whose comings forth have been many times - Micah 5:2) is "with us" in the man Christ Jesus (hence the doctrine of His two natures) so on the cross (an act of the love of God not the wrath of God) YHVH experiences the unjust death of a just man and by this pays the price man owed due to sin but God never "died" or ceased to be.

 

[Enxu]

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us,

So was the Word truly made flesh or not if He remained as God? Any person of sound mind would have said no to this question, and by answering no, that person would have denied Jesus as coming in the flesh, which is from the spirit of antichrist according to apostle John. You trinitarians are that person, but you refuse to repent of your error so that you may be freed from the deception.

There is not a single person in this world who will ever agree with the absurd idea that a man can be flesh and yet remain a deity with divine essence, yet that absurd idea is being taught as the false trinity doctrine in church congregations to the point of contradicting Jesus’ words and explaining the absurdity away with the phrase “we are too limited to understand God”.

 

[Enxu]

The main point here I believe is captured in this statement "

How can we say that he was not a man as God cannot die, but Jesus did"

The point is the MAN Christ Jesus was of Mary, of the line of David (the seed of the woman - Genesis 3:15) but the spirit in Him was YHVH, the Word/Son....God was IN HIM reconciling the world to Himself. YHVH allowed Himself to become INCARNATE in this child (hence the Son of God - that aspect of YHVH which can be seen and heard - John 5:37-38 - became the Son of Man).

The understanding is further clarified in the book of Hebrews where in Hebrews 1 it addresses "the Son" who is the king of the Angels, who created all things, to whim the angels bow down and worship, etc. but in Hebrews 2 we are told that JESUS was MADE a little lower than the angels. Hence "the Son" is YHVH manifest to us in some form or another (whose comings forth have been many times - Micah 5:2) is "with us" in the man Christ Jesus (hence the doctrine of His two natures) so on the cross (an act of the love of God not the wrath of God) YHVH experiences the unjust death of a just man and by this pays the price man owed due to sin but God never "died" or ceased to be.

Jesus had a very unique relationship with the Father that no human will ever have. He came from the bosom of the Father just like woman came from the bosom of man. So in truth only He can be called the Begotten Son of God since He came directly from within God and was divine right from the start. We were made co-heirs through Him because He gave up His divinity and became a mortal. If He did not give up His divinity at all, it would have been impossible for Him to ever die and be resurrected.

He had two natures, but these two natures were never mixed together like I said long time ago. He was first and foremost of divine essence before conception, then He became mortal for 30+ years and than resurrected to immortality again. It was necessary to go through this process of giving up His divinity because sin must be repaid with blood of a perfect and sinless lamb, which represented Jesus. Otherwise no atonement of sin is ever made, we are left without a Savior and will perish.

There is no such thing as a fleshly being with a divine essence, at least nothing God would approve. Don’t forget God hates mixtures and has even made flesh of different animals separate. If there is anyone who would mix two different natures into one, it would be the devil.

 

[David1954]

So was the Word truly made flesh or not if He remained as God? Any person of sound mind would have said no to this question, and by answering no, that person would have denied Jesus as coming in the flesh, which is from the spirit of antichrist according to apostle John. You trinitarians are that person, but you refuse to repent of your error so that you may be freed from the deception.

There is not a single person in this world who will ever agree with the absurd idea that a man can be flesh and yet remain a deity, yet that absurd idea is being taught as the false trinity doctrine in church congregations to the point of contradicting Jesus’ words and explaining the absurdity away with the phrase “we are too limited to understand God”.

I never knew that your religion has no response to The Gospel According to Saint John.

(Except for such a response as you have posted here.)

Please read the post by Brother Paul, just above yours.

 

[Enxu]

I never knew that your religion has no response to The Gospel According to Saint John.

(Except for such a response as you have posted here.)

Please read the post by Brother Paul, just above yours.

I don’t know what you are referring to when you say I have no response.

 

[David1954]

I don’t know what you are referring to when you say I have no response.

You don't have any reason for disagreeing with Saint John?

 

[William L. P.]

Luke 20:46 Keep away from the scholars, whose pleasure it is to go about in long robes, and to have words of respect said to them in the market-places, and to take the chief seats in the Synagogues and the first places at feasts;



1 CORINTHIANS 8:6

There is for us only one God: the Father, of whom are all things, and we are for him: and one Lord: Jesus Christ, thru whom are all things, and we have our being through him.



ACTS 4:10,12

10 Take note, all of you, and all the people of Israel, that in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom you put to death on the cross, whom God gave back from the dead, even through him is this man now before you completely well.

11 He is the stone which you builders had no use for, but which has been made the chief stone of the building.

12 And in no other is there salvation: for there is no other name under heaven, given among men, through which we may have salvation.



EPHESIANS 4:6

One God and Father of all, who is over all, and through all, and in all.



Colossians 1:12 ¶giving thanks unto the Father, who made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light;

13 who delivered us out of the power of darkness, and translated us into the kingdom of the Son of his love;

14 in whom we have our redemption, the forgiveness of our sins:

15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation;

16 for in him were all things created, in the heavens and upon the earth, things visible and things invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers; all things have been created through him, and unto him;

17 and he is before all things, and in him all things consist.

18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.

19 For it was the good pleasure of the Father that in him should all the fullness dwell;



Image: visible representation, a reproduction or imitation of the form of a person or thing, likeness : semblance

Firstborn: first child or first birth implies a start

Creation: that which was created, or brought into being

The things of God are far about anyone's pay grade! I think as in many things God allows for our inability to truly understand all the things of God. We are to put it bluntly a fly speck in the universe and yet in the universe God says he knows every star by name, not a hair falls from your head or sparrow falls from the sky he does not know about. There are verses that imply more than I am capable of understanding at this point in time though I accept Gods word as fact!
I understand what I can... I believe what I can not because he has said it is so. I leave people to believe in the Trinity or not I have made a choice based on what I understand and what God has shown me "There is a Truth in the Trinity"
But it is far more complex than what we understand as is God.
I accept Gods word as it is I ask for understanding but some things God will not give you answers for or not the ones you want. It truly is about faith in God and his word.