The trinity

[jimmy]

It sounds like you guys are saying the same thing. Sometimes I have to reread the post to see if you are saying they are one or they are three. I believe that what made Jesus so great and Lord of the world is that he lived as a man, recieved the Holy Spirit (just like us), be tempted (just like us), decide to follow God the father (just like we can), die (just like we will), be raised from the died (just like we will), and live forever. What makes me look up to Christ is that he did it, so can I. If it was God the father that lived the life of Christ it is not the same, because how can satan tempt God?

 

[Aftermath]

Its funny when you think about this whole trinity concept and christianity wouldn't have been te first set of people to adopt this current teaching of the church.
Here were some of the early trinitarian beliefs :

1) Egypt - -Triad of [Horus, Osiris, Isis (2nd millenium B.C.E)]
2) Babylon - - Triad of [Ishtar, Sin, Shamesh (2nd millenium B.C.E)]
3) Palmyra - - Triad of [moon god, Lord of heavens. Sun God(1st century C.E)]
4) India - - Triune hindu godhead
5) Kampuchea - - Triune buddhist godhead [12th century C.E]



all these are pagan religions.....so tell me why should i or anyone believe in the trinity if these listed above were obviously the foundation for our now current trinitarian belief today? somewere along the line christianity beliefs has been some what modified a bit and we have become blinded by this. Why should this trinity doctrine be based off of pagan doctrines? doesn't make sense


this may not be an explanation like other people but this is just one of those researches that may help put things in place

 

[ChrisM]

Far be it from me to quote anything other than the bible to make a point, but seeing as this has become an issue of semantics I think this will apply. Have any of you seen the movie "Meet Joe Black" with Brad Pitt and Anthony Hopkins. Brad Pitt plays the role of death. Death, having never experienced life, inhabits the body of a young man in order to learn what being human is like. Anthony Hopkins asked about who was doing Death's job since Death was currently inhabiting a body in New York City. Death asked Anthony Hopkins what he was doing while he was shaving that morning. Death pointed out that Anthony Hopkins wasn't just shaving. He was hatching ideas, planning his day, weighing the positives and negatives of business descisions etc. One part of him was doing one thing while another part was doing another. "Multiply that by infinity and take it to the depths of forever and you will barely have a glimpse of what I'm talking about." was the quote describing how Death could be doing his job and be in Manhattan at the same time. Could it be that God can multi-task? He is God. He created heaven and earth and all of us. Is it so strange to think, empirically, that God is God, God is Jesus, and God is the Holy spirit. Who do we pray to then? We pray to God, in Jesus name, that the Holy spirit will fill our lives. Jesus was the son of God, he taught us how to pray ---> Lord's prayer "Our Father who art in Heaven..." Jesus told us of the coming of the Holy spirit. Jesus even told us that the only unforgivable sin is a sin against the Holy spirit (Mark 3:29). How then could a sin against something other than God be greater than a sin against God himself? We also know that we shall have no other Gods before the one true God. So if it is possible for God to be everywhere, and do anything, why can't he be all three? What I mean is...when I'm typing my thumb hits the spacebar, my pinky hits enter, and my other digits hit the letter keys. They are all working together for the purpose of writing this post.
-Chris

 

[jiggyfly]

Its funny when you think about this whole trinity concept and christianity wouldn't have been te first set of people to adopt this current teaching of the church.
Here were some of the early trinitarian beliefs :

1) Egypt - -Triad of [Horus, Osiris, Isis (2nd millenium B.C.E)]
2) Babylon - - Triad of [Ishtar, Sin, Shamesh (2nd millenium B.C.E)]
3) Palmyra - - Triad of [moon god, Lord of heavens. Sun God(1st century C.E)]
4) India - - Triune hindu godhead
5) Kampuchea - - Triune buddhist godhead [12th century C.E]



all these are pagan religions.....so tell me why should i or anyone believe in the trinity if these listed above were obviously the foundation for our now current trinitarian belief today? somewere along the line christianity beliefs has been some what modified a bit and we have become blinded by this. Why should this trinity doctrine be based off of pagan doctrines? doesn't make sense


this may not be an explanation like other people but this is just one of those researches that may help put things in place

What makes you think the Christian theology of the Trinity is copying those pagan religions? Could it be that they are the copycats?

2Corithians 11;14&15
14*But I am not surprised! Even Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light. 15*So it is no wonder his servants can also do it by pretending to be godly ministers. In the end they will get every bit of punishment their wicked deeds deserve.

If the Trinity theology is Truth than it has always been so from the beginning.Just looking at it from another angle.

 

[Mike]

Only in humility will you understand these truths . The Father bears witness to the Son . The Son bears witness to the spirit , And the spirit bears witness to us . The Father , Son And , Holy Spirit , all agree withh each other . Come to Jesus with the faith as a child , and he will reveal these things to you . GBU Brother

 

[Aftermath]

What makes you think the Christian theology of the Trinity is copying those pagan religions? Could it be that they are the copycats?

2Corithians 11;14&15
14*But I am not surprised! Even Satan can disguise himself as an angel of light. 15*So it is no wonder his servants can also do it by pretending to be godly ministers. In the end they will get every bit of punishment their wicked deeds deserve.

If the Trinity theology is Truth than it has always been so from the beginning.Just looking at it from another angle.

well its difficult to try and say that some of these other trinity beliefs copied the christian trinity belief because if you also did a research on the timeline of each then you will find out that the pagan side to the trinity existed centuries before[some beliefs] and after[then other beliefs] jesus's time, and after the death of the apostles this trinity thing started to creep into christianity because it wasn't taught no time at all in any instances. hence this teaching is a teaching of the church and not a bible teaching

 

[ccansl]

Trinity from Old

Some try to say the Trinity was invented sometime after Jesus on Earth, but actually it is in the Old Testament. How do we know Jesus Himself is God? The prophets of God testified to this centuries before the Good Shepherd of Ezek. 34 (God Himself!) came to Earth. Let's not forget the Old Testament when discussing the Trinity.


Micah 5:2 The One originating from Ancient Days comes forth from Bethlehem
Isaiah 9:1-7, also 53 The Son who is the Almighty God and Father, the atonement
Ezekiel 34 (all) The Lord God Himself will come as the only Good Shepherd,
replacing leaders of men
Jeremiah 33:14-22 Eternal righteous King and Priest
Zechariah 2:10-11 Lord Himself will dwell in midst of His people
Zechariah 12:10-13:9 God pierced, Shepherd struck, people refined
Psalm 89:26-52 The One eternal but also cut off and rejected
Isaiah 55(all) Nations run to the Lord God, and the Holy One
Hosea 6:1-3 Third day resurrection so that we live before Him

 

[M Paul]

I don't know why, but the quote feature of this post did not work. I quoted the list of pagan gods to indicate the trinity came from pagan religions, but it came out as a quote of one of the responses. I erased that on editing, But, that post I wanted to quote is only the fourth above by Jiffyfly--so that is the post I am responding to.

Making a list of threes in reference to gods is one thing. Show me from pagan religion a doctrine of the trinity at this level of complexity--

http://www.loveofchrist.info/theology/trinity.html

 

[3trinity]

sorry wrong thread...

 

[sparky]

Some try to say the Trinity was invented sometime after Jesus on Earth, but actually it is in the Old Testament. How do we know Jesus Himself is God? The prophets of God testified to this centuries before the Good Shepherd of Ezek. 34 (God Himself!) came to Earth. Let's not forget the Old Testament when discussing the Trinity.


Micah 5:2 The One originating from Ancient Days comes forth from Bethlehem
Isaiah 9:1-7, also 53 The Son who is the Almighty God and Father, the atonement
Ezekiel 34 (all) The Lord God Himself will come as the only Good Shepherd,
replacing leaders of men
Jeremiah 33:14-22 Eternal righteous King and Priest
Zechariah 2:10-11 Lord Himself will dwell in midst of His people
Zechariah 12:10-13:9 God pierced, Shepherd struck, people refined
Psalm 89:26-52 The One eternal but also cut off and rejected
Isaiah 55(all) Nations run to the Lord God, and the Holy One
Hosea 6:1-3 Third day resurrection so that we live before Him

Sorry,but where in Isiah 9 does it say Almighty God?

 

[led by the spirit]

hmmmm

Things that makes you go Hmmmmmm! I too in the past have sought for and have found the answer to this all too common mystery.And that is that the doctrine keeps you guessing,confused and never answering your question to begin with, kind of like polliticians.And to sum it up in short cause youlle have to do your own research to get real meaning out of it.Answer:Its all part of the mystery religion and it has done what it was designed for,confuse you.
Now I ask you If god is not the author of confusion,Who is? along with who else ?The best I can tell anyone is "Dont take my word for it,prove it to yourself And never EVER accept anyones Interpretation of the scriptures,Rather let the scriptures interprete them selves to you."
I hope this helps someone who reads this May god bless you

 

[jjkirk]

Sorry,but where in Isiah 9 does it say Almighty God?

Here you go:
Is 9:6 For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace.(NASB)

Isa 9:6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder, and his name shall be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.(ESV)

6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.#_ftn1
#_ftnref1The Holy Bible : King James Version. 1995 . Logos Research Systems, Inc.: Oak Harbor, WA

 

[unlucky-core]

The trinity, 3 parts, The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit.

Father who created the Earth in 6 days and rested on the 7th.
Son Jesus Christ, time of 0.
Holy Spirit, how do I define this? it's difficult. The spirit of God?

3 different identities into one, like:


Father, Mother, and Child.

A V shape, or ^ Shape... you got the mother and father as the t ends, and the middle joiner section is the child.

Now, before you read the following, YOU MUST UNDERSTAND to read the NEW TESTAMENT, the entire thing 2-3 times, before you read this book!!! I highly recommend you do this.

Please follow me when I say to all my friends that I read half the new testament to 2Corinthians, in 1 month. I tell all my friends that they can easily read it in 6 months, but if they read it in 3 months, I'm impressed.
Now if you can't read it 3 times, atleast twice, or minimum once!!! The book that worries many, that one of my friends, whom I believe 110%, says this book challenges your faith to the extremes! Make sure you read from the bold above, the first one, you must really read everything carefully, this is very important, read above very carefully, read above, got it? read above? you must read above!! Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown will through you off your meet, it will knock you do, it will Very Very tempt you, except it'll give you a couple more teachings concerning the V Shape, and a new broader scope on things. The Best thing to remember is Be loving, be sharing, be giving, service, kindness, compassion, trust, honesty, obedience, loyalty... especially in family, they never had TVs or computers and inflation will knock down our parents retirements!!! Our Seed needs us, Jesus needs us, I need you! Come to me if you have time, because it's a very valuable asset. Except start by reading the new testament if you haven't done so already, as not to believe it, but, as I say to every aethist, for true wisdom and real power!

 

[Yonder]

I am a bran-new member and this is my first reply. I have thouroughly enjoyed the lenghty discussion about the trinity, as i myself had had much question about it. I could not see how Jesus could be his father, and also the holy spirit that impregnated his mother with himself--that just didn't make any sence--then I discovered the exact same explaination about how Buddha was born--his mother, a virgin named Maria, was concieved by the holy spirit of hinself--so i think now that this idea has been borrowed from ancient times and now has become a part of our own religion. Thank you so very much for this discussion, and I will be back to log on to other discussions very soon--this is like church for me, as i am house bound and don't get out. God bless you. --Abe Yonder

 

[Brother James]

Christ is God over ALL. Romans 9:5

The trinity

These are my findings can some one please explain to me ifand were i have gone wrong in my findings on the trinity.
Thankyou
God Bless

WHY DON?T I BELIEVE THE TRINITY

John 1v1 ? 3 says
In the begging was the WORD
The WORD was with God
And the WORD was God
V 14 tells us that the word is Jesus Christ

The new testaments was written in the Greek, the original Greek word for the word ?WORD? is logos which means mind or purpose, wisdom of thought an idea.
So if you read that section of scripture how it was written it would be
In the begging was the ?thought or idea?
And the ?thought or idea was with God
And the ?thought or idea was God
So you can see that in the begging god had a thought or idea and that thought or idea was Christ, it was God because it was in his mind he thought about it constantly.

If you then look at verse 18 of that exact came chapter it says No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.
No one had seen God except Christ which means, that Christ couldn?t have been God because If he was then that verse would be a lie, because everyone who had seen Christ would have seen God.
Even the believers of the time of Christ believed he was the Son of God he wasn?t actually God v 49 Nathaniel answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou art the Son of God; thou art the King of Israel.

John 10v30 says I and my father are one
This verse would seem to prove the trinity in saying that Christ was God
BUT?.Psalms 82 v 6 says that all who hears the word of God is a God, does this mean that if the trinity is correct then all of us who have heard the word of Gods are all God, so there would not be any need for salvation because we would all be God and seems as 1 Tim 1 v 17 says that God is immortals that means we would all be immortal.
No it doesn?t the Hebrew word there for god is God Elohim- which means mighty ones, or the might or power of God has filled them.
So God and his son are one because Christ is full of Gods might or power.

A couple of questions
Can God die?
Answer no he cant God is immortal (1 Tim 1v17, and 1 Tim 6v16)
So how can God be Christ if Christ died, but God cannot die?
Can God be tempted?
No he is immortal can so cannot sin, and cannot be tempted
But Luke 4v2 says that Christ was tempted if Christ was tempted how can be God because God cannot be tempted.
More questions
If God and Christ is the same person who ran the World while Christ was one the earth In a MORTAL body, he didn?t have the power to rule the world, because he was mortal.
Who ran the world while Christ was in Mary?s stomach, Christ couldn?t have done it.

Quotes that show the trinity doesn?t quite add up
God
Christ

John 3v16 - For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
1 Tim 2v5 ? One God One Mediator (mediator Christ) 2 people.
John 13v1 - Now before the feast of the Passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
John 17 ? Christ is praying to God?If God and Christ are the same person then Christ is talking to himself.
John 17v6- I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
John 20v17 ?Christ not yet ascended to his father
Matt 19v16-17 ? A man kept calling Christ good and ?Good Master?, Christ replies with there is none Good but one that is GOD
Mark 14v36 And he said, Abba, Father, all things are possible unto thee; take away this cup from me: nevertheless not what I will, but what thou wilt.
John 5v30 ? I seek not mine own will, but the will of the father which hath sent me.
John5v19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.
Romans 3 v 24 ? Gods grace is in Christ

Mark 13v32 - But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
The day that Christ returns to set of his kingdom is known only to God even his son doesn?t no, so how can they be the same person.

Hello Nugget 959..Peace of Christ.

First of all you are doing very, very good, there is not such a thing as the trinity in the Doctrine of Christ "Christianity", this doctrine is a pagan doctrine of "christendo" the false Christianity= Catholicism and the protestant denominations from. Roman, Egyptian, Babylonian, Persian,Paganism.......
The God of the bible is ONE GOD 'ALONE"....There is not such a thing as an
Eternal Son of God, this doctrine was made by Justin Martyr from the Logos (a pagan sotic god) from Philo of Alexandria a Jew who wanted to Mix, Christianism, with Jewish Mysticism and Greek Philospy and Babilionian Paganism........

Now!!! What you do not understand and need to understand is this
"EMMANATION".....The Bible says this God is Spirit...John 4:24 He is Holy Lev. 11:44....so the God of the bible is a "HOLY SPIRIT"....the bible says this;
One Spirit and One body...Eph. 4:4 God of all spirits of flesh Num. 16:22 and Father of all spirits of all flesh....The Lord is the Spirit 2 Cor. 3:17..who is the Lord?.....JESUS...Yes!!! Jesus is the God of the bible a.k Father....He is "ENTHRONED" in Heaven, meaning He is TRANSCENDENTAL....FIX...but when it comes from Him to do something....He Proyects Himself out of Himself..."HE EMMANATES"....That is why Jesus said, the Father and I are ONE...see! He didn't say the Father and I are the same....why?...Because the emmantion (Jesus the Man) is part of the Holy Spirit "The Word" who Became flesh (this things takes a person to jump from Physics, into HydroDynamicMethapysics...
Jesus said..I come out of the Father...Meaning "He EMMANATED" just like the Word, the Word come from Inside the Father, and yet the bible says the Word is "GOD" correct, When you talk in the phone, the other person in the other side says Hello!!!! who is it....then you say.. it is 'ME"...you do not say it is my voice....get it?!!!!! Well! God YHWH=JESUS The Holy Spirit, can EMMANATE millions of times at once, if He wishes....that is why it is the UNFORGIBABLE SIN THIS....Jesus said; Because If "YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THAT I AM 'HE' YHWH...YOU WILL DIE IN YOUR SINS...see! Jesus didn't say;
Because if you do not believe that I AM ME....Now...Jesus said...I AM HE..whe who?!!!!! YHWH in human form....Read Isaiah 43:10-11 and you will find the answer, when the Holy Spirit says about the men He will became, and he wants us "ALL" to understand, and know, and accept that, I AM HE
SEE! In His Spiritual form God is telling us that He will be this man who will come Isaiah 35:4, and In John 8:24 The Man is telling us that He is the Holy Spirit in a human Form.....Get it?!!!!!!!!!....

O.K...This One Holy Spirit...i called....Father, and He is Called Son....there is not such a thing as a three persons, only in paganism....just take an example of me...i am human being "ONE", and I am called and I am a Father, and also I was called and I was a Son....yet!!! There is onyly One Brother James....get it?.....The trinity is the most evil doctrine satan has provided the humans to take us away from the biblical TRUTH-JESUS.....I was one of them, for over 50 years....i spent over 40 in the catholic church and over 14 in several protestant denominations, "TILL" I got the call....Rev. 18:4
Come out of "HER" my people...there "STILL REMAINS A SABBATH-DAY FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD"...so i left everyone and everything, and now i walk as He wants, and says....not as satan orders....I keep the Sabbath-Day and walk in His Law 95 to 100% my best daily....I been baptized in Jesus's Name, and i wash the feet of the saints every Sabbath-Day service...No jehovah, no yahweh, no trinity, no sunday, etc. etc. etc...Just what Jesus says and Please HIM.....
I hope some day you can understand what you're missing and you can see the truth as i did, if i am of any help...just give me a call...

God Bless.................................................Brother James

 

[jiggyfly]

O.K...This One Holy Spirit...i called....Father, and He is Called Son....there is not such a thing as a three persons, only in paganism....just take an example of me...i am human being "ONE", and I am called and I am a Father, and also I was called and I was a Son....yet!!! There is onyly One Brother James....get it?.....The trinity is the most evil doctrine satan has provided the humans to take us away from the biblical TRUTH-JESUS.....I was one of them, for over 50 years....i spent over 40 in the catholic church and over 14 in several protestant denominations, "TILL" I got the call....Rev. 18:4
Come out of "HER" my people...there "STILL REMAINS A SABBATH-DAY FOR THE PEOPLE OF GOD"...so i left everyone and everything, and now i walk as He wants, and says....not as satan orders....I keep the Sabbath-Day and walk in His Law 95 to 100% my best daily....I been baptized in Jesus's Name, and i wash the feet of the saints every Sabbath-Day service...No jehovah, no yahweh, no trinity, no sunday, etc. etc. etc...Just what Jesus says and Please HIM.....
I hope some day you can understand what you're missing and you can see the truth as i did, if i am of any help...just give me a call...

So let me get this straight Bro James, according to the example you gave here and the point you are trying to make , you have no father and that you are your own father in other words you came from yourself, right?

Sounds like you are living under the old covenant, what do you think about Pauls letter to the Colossians?

 

[Chad]

This has been discussed many times so I will simply copy/paste my responses from the other threads. Although GOD is made of 3 persons as One GOD - it is One Spirit. I have purposely marked them in red (any names pertaining to the 3 person of our One GOD). My information below should show that GOD is 3 persons in One Spirit, One GOD.

Acts 5:30-32

30The God of our fathers raised Jesus from the dead—whom you had killed by hanging him on a tree. 31God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel. 32We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him."

Acts 7:55-57
55But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56"Look," he said, "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."

Luke 22:69
But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God."

Mark 16:19
After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.

Luke 22:69
But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God."

Hebrews 12:2
Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [ Hebrew; Syriac all the wild animals ] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Trinity: Webster’s dictionary gives the following definition of trinity: “The union of three divine persons (or hypostases), the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, in one divinity, so that all the three are one God as to substance, but three Persons (or hypostases as to individuality).” Synonyms sometimes used are triunity, trine, triality. The term “trinity” is formed from “tri,” three, and “nity,” unity. Triunity is a better term than “trinity” because it better expresses the idea of three in one. God is three in one. Hypostases is the plural of hypostasis which means “the substance, the underlying reality, or essence.”

Tri-theism. This is the teaching that there are three Gods who are sometimes related, but only in a loose association. Such an approach, abandons the biblical oneness of God and the unity within the Trinity

1 Corinthians 8:4-6 “Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one. For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.”

Ephesians 4:4-6 “There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.”

James 2:19 “You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.”

There are many instances where God uses the plural pronoun to describe Himself (see Gen. 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isa. 6:8).

Several passages reveal a distinction of Persons within the Godhead.

• In Psalm 110:1, David demonstrates there is a distinction of Persons between “LORD,” the one speaking, and the one addressed called by David, “my Lord.” David was indicating the Messiah was no ordinary king, but his own Lord, Adoni (my Lord), one who was God Himself. So God the first Person addresses God the second Person. This is precisely Peter’s point when He quotes this Psalm to show the resurrection of the Messiah was anticipated in the Old Testament.
• The Redeemer (who must be divine, Isa. 7:14; 9:6) is distinguished from the Lord (Isa. 59:20).
• The Lord is distinguished from the Lord in Hosea 1:6-7. The one speaking here is Yahweh, the Lord, yet, note the statement in verse 7, “I will have compassion … and deliver them by the Lord their God.”
• The Spirit is distinguished from the Lord in a number of passages (Isa. 48:16; 59:21; 63:9-10).

(1) The Father is called God (John 6:27; 20:17; 1 Cor. 8:6; Gal. 1:1; Eph. 4:6; Phil. 2:11; 1 Pet. 1:2).

(2) Jesus Christ, the Son is declared to be God. His deity is proven by the divine names given to Him, by His works that only God could do (upholding all things, Col. 1:17; creation, Col. 1:16, John 1:3; and future judgment, John 5:27), by His divine attributes (eternality, John 17:5; omnipresence, Matt. 28:20; omnipotence, Heb. 1:3; omniscience, Matt. 9:4), and by explicit statements declaring His deity (John 1:1; 20:28; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8).

(3) The Holy Spirit is recognized as God. By comparing Peter’s comments in Acts 5:3 and 4, we see that in lying to the Holy Spirit (vs. 3), Ananias was lying to God (vs. 4). He has the attributes which only God can possess like omniscience (1 Cor. 2:10) and omnipresence (1 Cor. 6:19), and He regenerates people to new life (John 3:5-6, 8; Tit. 3:5), which must of necessity be a work of God for only God has the power of life. Finally, His deity is evident by the divine names used for the Spirit as “the Spirit of our God,” (1 Cor. 6:11), which should be understood as “the Spirit, who is our God.”

Ryrie writes: “Matthew 28:19 best states both the oneness and threeness by associating equally the three Persons and uniting them in one singular name. Other passages like Matthew 3:16-17 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 associate equally the three Persons but do not contain the strong emphasis on unity as does Matthew 28:19.”18

2 Cor. 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

1 Peter 1:1-5 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen 2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, tat you may obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in fullest measure. 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

John 20:17
Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "

John 13:3
Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God.

Dictionary:

Gentiles
(Heb., usually in plural, goyim), meaning in general all nations except the Jews. In course of time, as the Jews began more and more to pride themselves on their peculiar privileges, it acquired unpleasant associations, and was used as a term of contempt.


In the New Testament the Greek word Hellenes, meaning literally Greek (as in Acts 16:1, 3; 18:17; Rom. 1:14), generally denotes any non-Jewish nation.

 

[enelessmakamba]

Its true the Trinity is not in the Bible.

I agree with u that the Trinity is not one that is found in the Bible.

From my own understanding, Trinity came up to make it easy for christians to know the three MOST IMPORTANT things TO BELIEVE in.That without one of the three u cannot enter the Kingdom of God.The three are not in ONE but they are connected.

God the Father:
Creator of everything

The son: Jesus christ
Our Lord and our savior

The Holy Spirit: The Power of God
It controls us, heals, casts out demons etc

These three are very important in a christian life. Some people dont believe in Jesus christ. They know is the son of God but they dont believe in him. For example some christian churches baptist in the name of God of which i believe is supposed to be in the name of the Father, of the Son and of the Holy spirit. To them Jesus has no power because is the son.The bible clearly says, No one can go to the Father except through Jesus Christ.

Its better to know the important things in the bible when reading it cause the bible is big and one can't finish it in one day.

I personally thing there is nothing wrong with the Trinity.

God bless u

Thankyou OneHeart4Jesus i agree with you there, people who believe the trinity always seem to come up with stuff about God the father and God the son and God the holy spirit, but as far as i can see those names areent even mentioned in the bible.

Here is a little bit more further study that i ahev done, read trough it and try to decide waht you think.

Sry it is so conjested and hard to read but im in a hurry i have to goto church.

The Trinity


The idea of the Trinity is not one that is found in the Bible. Far from being part of the same being, God and Christ are quite separate. Consider the following verse, 1 Timothy 2:5: "For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus". A mediator is a go-between. For Christ to mediate between God and men he must be separate from God, just as he is separate from the individual people he mediates for; if Christ was part of God then this verse would be nonsense.

1 Corinthians 8:6 also speaks plainly of God and Christ as separate: "But to us there is but one God, the Father, ... and one Lord Jesus Christ". If God the Father and Christ were part of the one being, why would these words have been written? If they were part of the Trinity, why is there no reference to the Holy Spirit here? The only reasonable answer is that God, the Father is a totally separate being from Jesus Christ.
There are two passages from the New Testament that are often used to prove the Trinity, John 1 and Luke 1:35. In reality, both of these show that the Trinity does not exist.

John 1:18 plainly states that "No man hath seen God at any time". It does not say " No man hath seen God the Father" at any time, but that no man has seen GOD at any time. It is obvious from the Gospels that people saw Jesus: therefore Jesus cannot be God, or any part of God. The verse goes on to say "the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him." Some other translations of this passage, which are based on other Greek manuscripts, have "the only begotten God" where the KJV has "only begotten Son". The Greek words for 'son' and 'god' in this context are very similar, and it seems likely that 'son' becoming 'god' was a simple slip of the pen when the early manuscripts were copied. The phrase 'only begotten God' is also at odds with the doctrine of the Trinity. Something that is begotten has a definite beginning and a cornerstone of the Trinity is that 'God the Son' has always existed.

"And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God." (Luke 1:35) Let us suppose that this passage does speak of the Trinity. It would seem then that the Holy Spirit is the Father of Christ, which would give a trinity of "God the Father & Holy Spirit, God the Son, and God the Redundant"! The more logical interpretation of this passage is that the Holy Spirit is simply the power of God.

Christ stands out in the Bible as being a sinless individual; this is a truly great achievement for a man. Sin is simply acting contrary to the will of God - therefore for Christ's sinlessness to be an achievement he must not be part of God

 

[Ronda]

John 1:1 says in the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God and the Word was God!
That is Christ before time began. He was part of the God head trinity before He came to earth. Below are some scriptures that show the trinity is in the bible not called as such but each person of the Godhead clearly illustrated in their roles for us to see. -God bless

1. Benediction given in name of (2 Corinthians 13:14)
2. Divine titles applied to the three persons in (Exodus 20:2; John 20:28; Acts 5:3,4)
3. Baptism administered in name of (Matthew 28:19)
4. Doctrine of proved from Scripture (Matthew 3:16,17;28:19; Romans 8:9; 1 Corinthians 12:3-6; 2 Corinthians 13:14
5. EACH PERSON IN, DESCRIBED AS » Eternal (Romans 16:26; Revelations 22:13; Hebrews 9:14)
6. EACH PERSON IN, DESCRIBED AS » Holy (Revelations 4:8;15:4; Acts 3:14; 1 John 2:20)
7. EACH PERSON IN, DESCRIBED AS » True ( John 7:28; Revelations 3:7)
8. EACH PERSON IN, DESCRIBED AS » Omnipresent (Jeremiah 23:24; Ephesians 1:23; Psalms 139:7)
9. EACH PERSON IN, DESCRIBED AS » Omnipotent (Genesis 17:1; Revelations 1:8; Romans 15:19; Jeremiah 32:17; Hebrews 1:3; Luke)
10. EACH PERSON IN, DESCRIBED AS » Omniscient (Acts 15:18; John 21:17; 1 Corinthians 2:10,11)
11. EACH PERSON IN, DESCRIBED AS » Sanctifier (Jude 1:1; Hebrews 2:11; 1 Peter 1:2)
12. EACH PERSON IN, DESCRIBED AS » Author of all spiritual operations (Hebrews 13:21; Colossians 1:29; 1 Corinthians 12:11)
13. EACH PERSON IN, DESCRIBED AS » Source of eternal life (Romans 6:23; John 10:28; Galatians 6:8)
14. EACH PERSON IN, DESCRIBED AS » Raising Christ from the dead (1 Corinthians 6:14; 1 John 2:19; 1 Peter 3:18)
15. EACH PERSON IN, DESCRIBED AS » Inspiring the prophets, &c (Hebrews 1:1; 2 Corinthians 13:3; Mark 13:11)
16. EACH PERSON IN, DESCRIBED AS » Salvation the work of (2 Thessalonians 2:13,14; Titus 3:4-6; 1 Peter 1:2)

 

[enelessmakamba]

Trinity

Are you saying that the three are in one?

From my understanding of the bible the three are seperate. If the three are in one then when Jesus came to earth the Father and the Holy Spirit were in him and it means that when he died the father and the spirit also died. The bible says no one has seen the Father. Please let me know what u understand from the scripture John 1:1. Does it mean God the Father is the word or Jesus christ is the word. If the word is Jesus christ then the two are not in one. I will be waiting for your reply sis.

Stay blessed.