The Tetragramoton

[Keithw]

In the Hebrew written OT, God put his personal name there in close to 6800 spots=YHWH--Quoted in the NT in over 200 spots. God inspired his written word. Wicked men by satans will altered Gods bible by removing his name and replacing it with-GOD or LORD all capitols in the OT, and completely removed it from the NT. WHY? Did they have the right=no. Only the wicked fear using Gods name in vain. The righteous love using Gods name and representing it. All translations with the removal, are altered translations to mislead by satans will.
The biggest example of that is Joel 2:31-32--Those who call on the name of YHWH will be saved. Quoted 2 x in the NT. Acts2:21, Romans 10:13--but because altered trans have LORD at Joel, they put Lord in the NT, But YHWH belongs in all 3 spots. And because1 Cor 8:6 says Jesus is Lord-those will call on his name rather than doing his Fathers will( Matt 7:21) and call on his name=YHWH. Thus the bottom line is this--all using the altered translations are being mislead to support satans will over Gods will. And all clergy that use those translations condemned the translators who put Gods name back both OT-NT.
Jerome had originals to translate back in the 300,s.He told the Pope prior to his translating the Latin Vulgate that Gods name belonged in the NT. I do not know if it was allowed or not, i cant read Latin.
These are all facts. Every supposed scholar on earth knows they are100% fact. Think about that.

 

[Hekuran]

Hello. Do you believe that all the Greek manuscripts of the New Testament have been altered or corrupted to replace יְהוָ֖ה with Kyrios? As far as i know, no Greek manuscript has יְהוָ֖ה.

 

[Waggles]

There is no doubt that Jesus [Yeshua] is also YHWH or Yahweh.
But Jesus and the Father are not ONE in number.
The OT distinguishes two YHWH - who sometimes spoke to each other.
certainly one YHWH had other titles such as - the angel of YHWH or the Name of YHWH or the Word of YHWH
Before the rise of Christianity and Jesus being God of salvation and the destruction of the Temple in 70AD Jewish rabbinical doctrine taught of two powers in Heaven - that is two YHWH.

Exodus 3:2 And the angel of Yahweh appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush, and he looked, and there was the bush burning with fire, but the bush was not being consumed.
3 And Moses said, "Let me turn aside and see this great sight. Why does the bush not burn up?"
4 And Yahweh saw that he turned aside to see, and God called to him from the midst of the bush, and he said, "Moses, Moses." And he said, "Here I am."
5 And he said, "You must not come near to here. Take off your sandals from on your feet, because the place on which you are standing, it is holy ground."
6 And he said, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." And Moses hid his face because he was afraid of looking at God.

 

[Waggles]

Exodus 3:2
angel of the Lord. Exo_3:4; Exo_3:6, *Gen_16:7-13; Gen_21:17-18; Gen_22:11-12; Gen_22:15-16; Gen_31:11; Gen_31:13; *Gen_48:15; Gen_48:16, *Deu_33:16, Jdg_6:11-16; *Jdg_13:20-23, *Isa_63:9, Dan_3:25 note, Dan_3:28, Hos_12:4-5, +Zec_12:8, Mal_3:1, Mar_12:26, Luk_20:37, >Act_7:30-35, Consulting carefully the preceding Parallel Passages, it can be seen that the Angel of Jehovah is identified as God and as Jehovah. The Angel of Jehovah
(1) first appeared by that name in Scripture to Hagar, Gen_16:7-13, The Angel of Jehovah (Gen_16:7) is spoken of as Jehovah (Gen_16:13) and addressed directly as God (Gen_16:13).
(2) The Angel of Jehovah appeared to Abraham, Gen_22:15-16, The Angel of Jehovah is one of the Divine Persons of the Trinity, for He is called Jehovah, Gen_22:16 in the immediate context.
(3) This is proof that there is more than one Jehovah, for the Angel of Jehovah is one person and Jehovah who sent Him is another, most particularly confirmed at Gen_19:24 note, where both Jehovahs are on the same scene, one in heaven, one on earth witnessing the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, the other in heaven sending the destruction.
(4) The Angel of Jehovah is identified as Jehovah in Exo_6:3, where this name is in contrast to El Shaddai.
(5) The Angel of Jehovah is Jehovah: Gen_31:11-13; Gen_48:15-16 with Gen_45:5, Exo_3:1-9 with Act_7:30-35, It was Jehovah in visible Presence as the Angel of Jehovah who went before the Israelites to lead them day and night from Egypt to Canaan by day in a pillar of a cloud and by night in a pillar of fire, Exo_13:21, It was the manifestation of and the dwelling place of the Angel of God that guided them (+Exo_14:19; Exo_32:34, Num_9:16-18; Num_20:16). Compare Isa_4:5, reference to the Millennium. This Angelic Presence in the Wilderness is one of the members of the Godhead who is often called the Angel of Jehovah or the Angel of God (Exo_14:19, Jdg_6:11-23; Jdg_13:9-20).
(6) The Angel of Jehovah is clearly and directly called Jehovah (Exo_13:21-22; Exo_14:19; Exo_14:21-25; Exo_14:31).
(7) The Angel of Jehovah is a Person distinct from Jehovah, for He is one Jehovah who is a separate person from the Jehovah who sent him, thus demonstrating there is more than one person in the Godhead called Jehovah. Perhaps the clearest example of more than one person in the Godhead named Jehovah is seen at Gen_19:24, where the Bible clearly teaches there is more than one Jehovah. One Jehovah on earth (who had appeared to Abraham as God Almighty, Gen_17:1, and appeared again as one of three men to Abraham, Gen_18:1, two of whom were angels, but the third is addressed as Jehovah) who rained fire and brimstone from another Jehovah in heaven.
(8). The phrase "the Angel of Jehovah" is used many times, and it is clear from the Scriptures that this angel is both Lord (Jehovah) and God (Gen_16:7-11; Gen_22:1-16, Exo_14:19-31, Num_22:22-35, Jdg_2:1-4; Jdg_6:11-24; Jdg_13:2-25, Zec_1:9-19; Zec_3:1-6; +Zec_12:8, Act_7:30-38). The literal meaning is that one Jehovah (God the Father) sends anther Jehovah (God the Son) as His messenger.
(9) Consult further the following Scriptures: Gen_24:7; Gen_24:40, Exo_23:20; Exo_32:34, Num_20:16, 1Ch_21:15-18, Isa_63:9, Dan_3:25-28, Zec_1:12-13.
(10) The foregoing Bible evidence leads to the conclusion that the Angel of Jehovah is the Second Person of the Trinity. The Second Person is the Visible God of the Old Testament (Joh_1:18). The Angel of Jehovah no longer appears after the incarnation of Christ. We can thus infer that He now appears as the incarnate Christ. Both the Angel of Jehovah and Christ are sent by the Father (Exo_23:20, Joh_20:21). The Angel of Jehovah was sent to reveal truth, to lead Israel, to defend and judge them. Christ in the New Testament was sent by God to reveal God in the flesh (Joh_14:9), to reveal truth, and to become the Savior. The similar character of the ministry of the Angel of Jehovah and Christ serves to identify them. Both the Angel of Jehovah and Christ appeared to men as the messenger of God (Gen_16:7 note. Mat_10:40, Joh_5:24; Joh_5:36; Joh_6:29; Joh_6:38-39; Joh_8:16; Joh_8:18; Joh_8:26; Joh_8:29; Joh_8:42; Joh_9:4, 1Co_10:4; 1Co_10:9).
(11) The Angel of Jehovah is called the Angel of God (Gen_21:17; Gen_31:11, **Exo_3:2, Jdg_6:20; Jdg_13:9, Act_27:23).
(12) This Angel of the Old Testament is called the Angel of Jehovah (Gen_16:7-11; Gen_22:11; Gen_22:15, Exo_14:19, Num_22:22-35, Jdg_2:1; Jdg_2:4; Jdg_6:11-12; Jdg_6:21-22; Jdg_13:3-6; Jdg_13:13-21, 2Ki_1:3; 2Ki_1:15; 2Ki_19:35, 1Ch_21:12-30, Psa_34:7; Psa_35:5-6, Isa_37:36, Zec_1:9-19; Zec_3:1-6; +Zec_12:8, Act_7:30-38).
(13) He is called "His Angel" (Gen_24:7; Gen_24:40, Exo_23:20; Exo_33:2, Num_20:16, 2Ch_32:21, Dan_3:28; Dan_6:22).
(14) He is called "the Angel" (Gen_48:16, 1Ch_21:27, Ecc_5:6, Hos_12:4, Act_7:38).
(15) He is called "mine Angel" (Exo_23:23; Exo_32:34).
(16) He is called the "Angel of his presence" (Isa_63:9).
(17) He is called "Angel" (Rev_8:3-5; Rev_10:1—Rev_11:3).
(18) We may properly conclude that the Angel of Jehovah can not be either the Father or the Holy Spirit for as the Angel of Jehovah is the sent one, he could not be the Father who sends him; and as the Angel of Jehovah is God in bodily form, He could not be the Holy Spirit, as the attribute of immateriality is always possessed by the Holy Spirit, and His ministry is never characterized by physical attributes.
(19) Appearances of Christ ("Christophanies") other than as the Angel of Jehovah: Jehovah appears as a man (Gen_18:1-22); appeared to the man Jacob (Gen_32:24-32); appeared to the elders of Israel (Exo_24:9-11); Christ further appeared as the cloud of the Lord, the glory of the Lord, and the cloudy pillar (Exo_33:9-23; Exo_40:38, See also Jos_5:13-15, Eze_1:1-28, Dan_10:1-21).
(20) The Theophanies prove the pre-existence and deity of Christ, for the Hebrew Scriptures affirm the deity of the Angel of Jehovah (Jdg_2:1-5, 2Ki_19:35); The Angel of Jehovah is identified as God (Gen_21:17 with Gen_22:11; Gen_22:15, Jdg_6:20 with Jdg_6:11-12; Jdg_6:21-22 Jdg_13:6; Jdg_13:9 with Jdg_13:3; Jdg_13:13; Jdg_13:15-18; since Christ is the Angel of Jehovah, Christ is both deity and God. Compare 1Pe_2:3 note).
flame. *Isa_10:17.
bush burned. Gen_15:13-17, Deu_4:11; Deu_4:20; Deu_5:23, Psa_66:12, Isa_43:2; Isa_53:10-11, Dan_3:27, Zec_13:7, Joh_1:14, Rom_8:3, 2Co_1:8-10.
with fire. Gen_15:17, Exo_13:21; Exo_19:18; Exo_24:17, 1Ki_19:12, Isa_4:5, Eze_1:27-28; Eze_8:2, Heb_10:27; Heb_12:29.
not consumed. Num_21:28; Num_26:10, Job_15:34, Psa_129:2, *Isa_43:2.
The Ultimate Cross-Reference Treasury by Jerome H. Smith © 2004
It is unfortunate that many older works use the name of Jehovah rather than YHWH or Yahweh.

 

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The Tetragrammaton (/ˌtɛtrəˈɡræmətɒn/; from Ancient Greek τετραγράμματον (tetragrámmaton) '[consisting of] four letters'), or the Tetragram, is the four-letter Hebrew theonym יהוה‎ (transliterated as YHWH), the name of God in the Hebrew Bible. The four letters, written and read from right to left (in Hebrew), are yodh, he, waw, and he.[1] The name may be derived from a verb that means "to be", "to exist", "to cause to become", or "to come to pass".[2][3] While there is no consensus about the structure and etymology of the name, the form Yahweh is now accepted almost universally, though the vocalization Jehovah continues to have wide usage.[4][5][6]

Wikipedia

 

[Keithw]

There is no doubt that Jesus [Yeshua] is also YHWH or Yahweh.
But Jesus and the Father are not ONE in number.
The OT distinguishes two YHWH - who sometimes spoke to each other.
certainly one YHWH had other titles such as - the angel of YHWH or the Name of YHWH or the Word of YHWH
Before the rise of Christianity and Jesus being God of salvation and the destruction of the Temple in 70AD Jewish rabbinical doctrine taught of two powers in Heaven - that is two YHWH.

Exodus 3:2 And the angel of Yahweh appeared to him in a flame of fire from the midst of a bush, and he looked, and there was the bush burning with fire, but the bush was not being consumed.
3 And Moses said, "Let me turn aside and see this great sight. Why does the bush not burn up?"
4 And Yahweh saw that he turned aside to see, and God called to him from the midst of the bush, and he said, "Moses, Moses." And he said, "Here I am."
5 And he said, "You must not come near to here. Take off your sandals from on your feet, because the place on which you are standing, it is holy ground."
6 And he said, "I am the God of your father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob." And Moses hid his face because he was afraid of looking at God.

You are mistaken, in the OT it clearly shows--YHWH said to my Lord( Jesus)--proves Jesus is not YHWH. But you have the LORD said to my Lord. Because of the alteration of the removal of Gods name to mislead.

 

[Keithw]

Hello. Do you believe that all the Greek manuscripts of the New Testament have been altered or corrupted to replace יְהוָ֖ה with Kyrios? As far as i know, no Greek manuscript has יְהוָ֖ה.

Catholicism translated the Greek lexicons. But the removal occurred before Catholicism was there. The Israelites removed it in fear of taking Gods name in vain( As they did over and over) they had no right.

 

[Keithw]

Exodus 3:2
angel of the Lord. Exo_3:4; Exo_3:6, *Gen_16:7-13; Gen_21:17-18; Gen_22:11-12; Gen_22:15-16; Gen_31:11; Gen_31:13; *Gen_48:15; Gen_48:16, *Deu_33:16, Jdg_6:11-16; *Jdg_13:20-23, *Isa_63:9, Dan_3:25 note, Dan_3:28, Hos_12:4-5, +Zec_12:8, Mal_3:1, Mar_12:26, Luk_20:37, >Act_7:30-35, Consulting carefully the preceding Parallel Passages, it can be seen that the Angel of Jehovah is identified as God and as Jehovah. The Angel of Jehovah
(1) first appeared by that name in Scripture to Hagar, Gen_16:7-13, The Angel of Jehovah (Gen_16:7) is spoken of as Jehovah (Gen_16:13) and addressed directly as God (Gen_16:13).
(2) The Angel of Jehovah appeared to Abraham, Gen_22:15-16, The Angel of Jehovah is one of the Divine Persons of the Trinity, for He is called Jehovah, Gen_22:16 in the immediate context.
(3) This is proof that there is more than one Jehovah, for the Angel of Jehovah is one person and Jehovah who sent Him is another, most particularly confirmed at Gen_19:24 note, where both Jehovahs are on the same scene, one in heaven, one on earth witnessing the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, the other in heaven sending the destruction.
(4) The Angel of Jehovah is identified as Jehovah in Exo_6:3, where this name is in contrast to El Shaddai.
(5) The Angel of Jehovah is Jehovah: Gen_31:11-13; Gen_48:15-16 with Gen_45:5, Exo_3:1-9 with Act_7:30-35, It was Jehovah in visible Presence as the Angel of Jehovah who went before the Israelites to lead them day and night from Egypt to Canaan by day in a pillar of a cloud and by night in a pillar of fire, Exo_13:21, It was the manifestation of and the dwelling place of the Angel of God that guided them (+Exo_14:19; Exo_32:34, Num_9:16-18; Num_20:16). Compare Isa_4:5, reference to the Millennium. This Angelic Presence in the Wilderness is one of the members of the Godhead who is often called the Angel of Jehovah or the Angel of God (Exo_14:19, Jdg_6:11-23; Jdg_13:9-20).
(6) The Angel of Jehovah is clearly and directly called Jehovah (Exo_13:21-22; Exo_14:19; Exo_14:21-25; Exo_14:31).
(7) The Angel of Jehovah is a Person distinct from Jehovah, for He is one Jehovah who is a separate person from the Jehovah who sent him, thus demonstrating there is more than one person in the Godhead called Jehovah. Perhaps the clearest example of more than one person in the Godhead named Jehovah is seen at Gen_19:24, where the Bible clearly teaches there is more than one Jehovah. One Jehovah on earth (who had appeared to Abraham as God Almighty, Gen_17:1, and appeared again as one of three men to Abraham, Gen_18:1, two of whom were angels, but the third is addressed as Jehovah) who rained fire and brimstone from another Jehovah in heaven.
(8). The phrase "the Angel of Jehovah" is used many times, and it is clear from the Scriptures that this angel is both Lord (Jehovah) and God (Gen_16:7-11; Gen_22:1-16, Exo_14:19-31, Num_22:22-35, Jdg_2:1-4; Jdg_6:11-24; Jdg_13:2-25, Zec_1:9-19; Zec_3:1-6; +Zec_12:8, Act_7:30-38). The literal meaning is that one Jehovah (God the Father) sends anther Jehovah (God the Son) as His messenger.
(9) Consult further the following Scriptures: Gen_24:7; Gen_24:40, Exo_23:20; Exo_32:34, Num_20:16, 1Ch_21:15-18, Isa_63:9, Dan_3:25-28, Zec_1:12-13.
(10) The foregoing Bible evidence leads to the conclusion that the Angel of Jehovah is the Second Person of the Trinity. The Second Person is the Visible God of the Old Testament (Joh_1:18). The Angel of Jehovah no longer appears after the incarnation of Christ. We can thus infer that He now appears as the incarnate Christ. Both the Angel of Jehovah and Christ are sent by the Father (Exo_23:20, Joh_20:21). The Angel of Jehovah was sent to reveal truth, to lead Israel, to defend and judge them. Christ in the New Testament was sent by God to reveal God in the flesh (Joh_14:9), to reveal truth, and to become the Savior. The similar character of the ministry of the Angel of Jehovah and Christ serves to identify them. Both the Angel of Jehovah and Christ appeared to men as the messenger of God (Gen_16:7 note. Mat_10:40, Joh_5:24; Joh_5:36; Joh_6:29; Joh_6:38-39; Joh_8:16; Joh_8:18; Joh_8:26; Joh_8:29; Joh_8:42; Joh_9:4, 1Co_10:4; 1Co_10:9).
(11) The Angel of Jehovah is called the Angel of God (Gen_21:17; Gen_31:11, **Exo_3:2, Jdg_6:20; Jdg_13:9, Act_27:23).
(12) This Angel of the Old Testament is called the Angel of Jehovah (Gen_16:7-11; Gen_22:11; Gen_22:15, Exo_14:19, Num_22:22-35, Jdg_2:1; Jdg_2:4; Jdg_6:11-12; Jdg_6:21-22; Jdg_13:3-6; Jdg_13:13-21, 2Ki_1:3; 2Ki_1:15; 2Ki_19:35, 1Ch_21:12-30, Psa_34:7; Psa_35:5-6, Isa_37:36, Zec_1:9-19; Zec_3:1-6; +Zec_12:8, Act_7:30-38).
(13) He is called "His Angel" (Gen_24:7; Gen_24:40, Exo_23:20; Exo_33:2, Num_20:16, 2Ch_32:21, Dan_3:28; Dan_6:22).
(14) He is called "the Angel" (Gen_48:16, 1Ch_21:27, Ecc_5:6, Hos_12:4, Act_7:38).
(15) He is called "mine Angel" (Exo_23:23; Exo_32:34).
(16) He is called the "Angel of his presence" (Isa_63:9).
(17) He is called "Angel" (Rev_8:3-5; Rev_10:1—Rev_11:3).
(18) We may properly conclude that the Angel of Jehovah can not be either the Father or the Holy Spirit for as the Angel of Jehovah is the sent one, he could not be the Father who sends him; and as the Angel of Jehovah is God in bodily form, He could not be the Holy Spirit, as the attribute of immateriality is always possessed by the Holy Spirit, and His ministry is never characterized by physical attributes.
(19) Appearances of Christ ("Christophanies") other than as the Angel of Jehovah: Jehovah appears as a man (Gen_18:1-22); appeared to the man Jacob (Gen_32:24-32); appeared to the elders of Israel (Exo_24:9-11); Christ further appeared as the cloud of the Lord, the glory of the Lord, and the cloudy pillar (Exo_33:9-23; Exo_40:38, See also Jos_5:13-15, Eze_1:1-28, Dan_10:1-21).
(20) The Theophanies prove the pre-existence and deity of Christ, for the Hebrew Scriptures affirm the deity of the Angel of Jehovah (Jdg_2:1-5, 2Ki_19:35); The Angel of Jehovah is identified as God (Gen_21:17 with Gen_22:11; Gen_22:15, Jdg_6:20 with Jdg_6:11-12; Jdg_6:21-22 Jdg_13:6; Jdg_13:9 with Jdg_13:3; Jdg_13:13; Jdg_13:15-18; since Christ is the Angel of Jehovah, Christ is both deity and God. Compare 1Pe_2:3 note).
flame. *Isa_10:17.
bush burned. Gen_15:13-17, Deu_4:11; Deu_4:20; Deu_5:23, Psa_66:12, Isa_43:2; Isa_53:10-11, Dan_3:27, Zec_13:7, Joh_1:14, Rom_8:3, 2Co_1:8-10.
with fire. Gen_15:17, Exo_13:21; Exo_19:18; Exo_24:17, 1Ki_19:12, Isa_4:5, Eze_1:27-28; Eze_8:2, Heb_10:27; Heb_12:29.
not consumed. Num_21:28; Num_26:10, Job_15:34, Psa_129:2, *Isa_43:2.
The Ultimate Cross-Reference Treasury by Jerome H. Smith © 2004
It is unfortunate that many older works use the name of Jehovah rather than YHWH or Yahweh.

Israel never served a trinity while serving the true God-YHWH. They served the Abrahamic God( to this very day) a single being God-YHWH. Thus Jesus and the apostles and every bible writer knew nothing of a trinity.

 

[Keithw]

The Tetragrammaton (/ˌtɛtrəˈɡræmətɒn/; from Ancient Greek τετραγράμματον (tetragrámmaton) '[consisting of] four letters'), or the Tetragram, is the four-letter Hebrew theonym יהוה‎ (transliterated as YHWH), the name of God in the Hebrew Bible. The four letters, written and read from right to left (in Hebrew), are yodh, he, waw, and he.[1] The name may be derived from a verb that means "to be", "to exist", "to cause to become", or "to come to pass".[2][3] While there is no consensus about the structure and etymology of the name, the form Yahweh is now accepted almost universally, though the vocalization Jehovah continues to have wide usage.[4][5][6]

Wikipedia

They aren't even 100% sure if YHWH or YHVH is correct. But nice post.

 

[Hekuran]

Israel never served a trinity while serving the true God-YHWH. They served the Abrahamic God( to this very day) a single being God-YHWH. Thus Jesus and the apostles and every bible writer knew nothing of a trinity.

Jesus said to the pharisees:
Very truly, I tell you, whoever keeps my word will never see death.” The Jews said to him, “Now we know that you have a demon. Abraham died, and so did the prophets; yet you say, ‘Whoever keeps my word will never taste death.’ Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? The prophets also died. Who do you claim to be?” 54Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, he of whom you say, ‘He is our God,’ 55though you do not know him. But I know him; if I would say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you. But I do know him and I keep his word. Your ancestor Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day; he saw it and was glad.” Then the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Very truly, I tell you, before Abraham was, I am.” So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

Jesus gave himself the 'I am' label. His hearers understood enough to try to kill him.

 

[Keithw]

Jesus said to the pharisees:
Very truly, I tell you, whoever keeps my word will never see death.” The Jews said to him, “Now we know that you have a demon. Abraham died, and so did the prophets; yet you say, ‘Whoever keeps my word will never taste death.’ Are you greater than our father Abraham, who died? The prophets also died. Who do you claim to be?” 54Jesus answered, “If I glorify myself, my glory is nothing. It is my Father who glorifies me, he of whom you say, ‘He is our God,’ 55though you do not know him. But I know him; if I would say that I do not know him, I would be a liar like you. But I do know him and I keep his word. Your ancestor Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day; he saw it and was glad.” Then the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?” Jesus said to them, “Very truly, I tell you, before Abraham was, I am.” So they picked up stones to throw at him, but Jesus hid himself and went out of the temple.

Jesus gave himself the 'I am' label. His hearers understood enough to try to kill him.

Jesus told everyone the pharisees were liars, he told them their father was the devil, John 8:44-- so they NEVER said a truth about Jesus. They hated him. Hearts filled with hate do not speak truth as Jesus pointed out about them. Did you believe them when they said his power came from demons? He answered them honestly that is all, he lived before Abraham.
As well, the Hebrew scholars say there is no i am that i am in their Hebrew written OT. I will be what i will be is more correct. I am that i am was put only in trinity translations to try to say Jesus was claiming to be God in his statement, but Fact shows it is a misleading error.

 

[Waggles]

@Keithw
You have blinded yourself to the truth of scripture - you elevate doctrine as dogma over what scripture reveals
The Jews did indeed believe in two powers in Heaven and that YHWH could appear twice in scripture
I recommend
"Two Powers In Heaven: Early Rabbinic Reports About Christianity And Gnosticism" by the Jewish scholar Alan F. Segal
© 1977 - reprinted by Baylor University Press, 2012

Genesis 19:23 The sun had risen on the earth when Lot came to Zoar.
24 Then YHWH rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulphur and fire from YHWH out of heaven.
25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the valley, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground.

 

[Waggles]

GENESIS 19:4 Note the mention here of two Jehovahs, one in heaven who sends judgment upon Sodom and Gomorrah at the bidding of the Jehovah on earth. This gives significant evidence for more than one person in the Godhead. The Jehovah upon earth was one of the three persons to visit Abraham (Gen_18:1-2), one of whom stays behind to speak further to Abraham and is called Jehovah (**Gen_18:13; **Gen_18:14; Gen_18:17; Gen_18:19; Gen_18:20; **Gen_18:22; Gen_18:26; Gen_18:33). When the "three men" visited Abraham (Gen_17:1; *Gen_18:1), two of them are later in the account spoken of as "angels," but one of them is consistently addressed as Jehovah. This amounts to a Theophany, or Christophany, a pre-incarnate appearance of our Lord Jesus Christ on this earth. When Jehovah Witnesses object to my exegesis or explanation, I tell them, "Well, too bad you don’t respect my scholarship and careful study of this matter. Jesus Himself asserted that He was the one Who, as Jehovah, appeared to Abraham, when Jesus stated ’Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad’" (+Joh_8:56). Then I show them the very text of the Hebrew Scriptures to which Jesus had reference, using the following cross references: Gen_17:1; Gen_17:17; Gen_22:13; Gen_22:15-18, Then I share with them how wonderful genuine Bible study is, for the Bible is so written as to explain itself (Psa_119:130) without the help of any official teaching authority, church, or human organization here on earth (1Jn_2:27). Lastly, if they have not run out the door in terror by this point in our discussion, I share what Paul stated at 1Co_12:3, I explain that anyone can mouth the words "Jesus is Lord," so that cannot be what Paul is affirming. Therefore, Paul is asserting that "no man can say Jesus is Jehovah, but by the Holy Ghost." I believe that on Judgment Day (Mat_12:41), they will be called to account, and Jehovah Himself will tell them, "Why did you not listen and believe when faced with these Scriptures of truth (1Sa_9:27; 1Sa_12:7, Dan_10:21)?" Jehovah Witnesses counter with the argument that by making Jesus Jehovah, I am asserting the untruth that Jesus is the Father. I suggest they listen or read more carefully: I am not asserting Jesus is the Father, but that at least two Persons in the Godhead are each called Jehovah in Scripture, and Jesus is clearly one of them. Joh_3:13; Joh_3:31; Joh_6:38; Joh_6:42; *Joh_8:56; *Joh_8:58, 1Co_2:8; +1Co_12:3, Jas_2:1, See also on +Gen_12:7; +Gen_16:13; +Gen_17:1, +*Dan_3:28, Zec_3:2, There are several other texts in the Hebrew Scriptures, our Old Testament, which are so worded as to suggest two persons equally understood to be God, such as Amo_4:11; Gen_22:1-2 with Gen_22:11-12; Hos_1:7; and most clearly, Jdg_6:21 (where the visible Angel of Jehovah leaves the scene) and Jdg_6:23, where Jehovah continues to speak with Gideon, saying "fear not: thou shalt not die."
The Ultimate Cross-Reference Treasury by Jerome H. Smith © 2004

 

[Waggles]

Zechariah 12:1 An oracle. The word of Yahweh concerning Israel. "Thus declares Yahweh, who stretches out the heavens, founds the earth, and forms the spirit of humankind in its midst:
2 'Look, I am going to make Jerusalem a cup of reeling for all the surrounding nations; it will also be against Judah in the siege against Jerusalem.
3 And then on that day I will make Jerusalem a stone weight for all the peoples. All those lifting it up will grievously hurt themselves, and all the nations of the earth will assemble against it.
4 On that day,' declares Yahweh, 'I will strike every horse with confusion, and the one riding it with madness; but over the house of Judah I will keep my eyes open, and I will strike every horse of the peoples with blindness.
7 And Yahweh will save the tents of Judah first, so that the glory of the house of David and the glory of the inhabitants of Jerusalem may not be exalted over Judah.
8 On that day Yahweh will put a shield around the inhabitants of Jerusalem, and the one who stumbles among them on that day will be like David, and the house of David will be like God, like the angel of Yahweh, before them.
10 "'I will pour on the house of David and on the inhabitants of Jerusalem a spirit of grace and supplication, and they will look to me whom they pierced, and they shall mourn over him, as one wails over an only child, and they will
grieve bitterly over him as one grieves bitterly over a firstborn.

So where in the OT was God pierced ??

John 19:36 For these things took place that the Scripture might be fulfilled: “Not one of his bones will be broken.”
37 And again another Scripture says, “They will look on him whom they have pierced.”

 

[Keithw]

@Keithw
You have blinded yourself to the truth of scripture - you elevate doctrine as dogma over what scripture reveals
The Jews did indeed believe in two powers in Heaven and that YHWH could appear twice in scripture
I recommend
"Two Powers In Heaven: Early Rabbinic Reports About Christianity And Gnosticism" by the Jewish scholar Alan F. Segal
© 1977 - reprinted by Baylor University Press, 2012

Genesis 19:23 The sun had risen on the earth when Lot came to Zoar.
24 Then YHWH rained on Sodom and Gomorrah sulphur and fire from YHWH out of heaven.
25 And he overthrew those cities, and all the valley, and all the inhabitants of the cities, and what grew on the ground.

The Real Israelites knew 100% God did not come to earth and that the Messiah was not God but has a God just like us-Psalm 45:7--Jesus teaches the same-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--so the real problem is that you refuse to believe Jesus. All his real followers believe him over errors.

 

[Waggles]

The Real Israelites knew 100% God did not come to earth and that the Messiah was not God but has a God just like us-Psalm 45:7--Jesus teaches the same-John 20:17, Rev 3:12--so the real problem is that you refuse to believe Jesus. All his real followers believe him over errors.

I do not know from where you get your doctrine but it is erroneous and false.
You have no idea of who Jesus is.
I notice also that you are unable to answer questions on scripture.
So when was YHWH pierced?

 

[Waggles]

Titus 2:11 For the grace of God hath appeared to all men bringing salvation,
12 instructing us, that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly and righteously and godly in this present age;
13 awaiting the blessed hope and appearing of the glory of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
14 who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all iniquity, and purify to himself a people for his possession, zealous of good works.

Isaiah 44:6 Thus says YHWH, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, YHWH of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last; besides me there is no god.

Psalm 19:14 Let the words of my mouth and the meditation of my heart be acceptable in your sight, O YHWH, my rock and my redeemer.

Luke 1:67 And his father Zechariah was filled with the Holy Spirit and prophesied, saying,
68 “Blessed be the Lord God of Israel, for he has visited and redeemed his people

Galatians 3:13 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us—for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who is hanged on a tree”—
14 so that in Christ Jesus the blessing of Abraham might come to the Gentiles, so that we might receive the promised Spirit through faith.

 

[Waggles]

Mark 2:5 And when Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.”
6 Now some of the scribes were sitting there, questioning in their hearts,
7 “Why does this man speak like that? He is blaspheming! Who can forgive sins but God alone?”
8 And immediately Jesus, perceiving in his spirit that they thus questioned within themselves, said to them, “Why do you question these things in your hearts?
9 Which is easier, to say to the paralytic, ‘Your sins are forgiven,’ or to say, ‘Rise, take up your bed and walk’?
10 But that you may know that the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins”—he said to the paralytic—
11 “I say to you, rise, pick up your bed, and go home.”

Exodus 23:20 “Behold, I send an angel before you to guard you on the way and to bring you to the place that I have prepared.
21 Pay careful attention to him and obey his voice; do not rebel against him, for he will not pardon your transgression, for my name is in him.

Isaiah 43:24 You have not bought me sweet cane with money, or satisfied me with the fat of your sacrifices. But you have burdened me with your sins; you have wearied me with your iniquities.
25 “I, I am he who blots out your transgressions for my own sake, and I will not remember your sins.

Luke 7:47 Therefore I tell you, her sins, which are many, are forgiven—for she loved much. But he who is forgiven little, loves little.”
48 And he said to her, “Your sins are forgiven.”
49 Then those who were at table with him began to say among themselves, “Who is this, who even forgives sins?”

 

[Keithw]

I do not know from where you get your doctrine but it is erroneous and false.
You have no idea of who Jesus is.
I notice also that you are unable to answer questions on scripture.
So when was YHWH pierced?

YHWH wasnt pierced. The bible doesnt teach he was. I showed you the scriptures-Jesus has a God just like us-Psalm 45:7-John 20:17, Coll 1:3-1Pet 1:3

 

[Waggles]

The bible doesnt teach he was.

Now you are in denial of scripture.
I posted verses from Zechariah 12 inj which YHWH specifically refers to him being seen by those who pierced him.
Answer the question - when was YHWH pierced ??