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The Rapture

I'm curious as to whether or not anyone has researched the origin of the Rapture doctrine itself. It's an interesting study.

Edit: I'm attempting to post a link, but evidently I have an insufficient post count. PM me if you want the whole thing. Here's the bulk of the article:


Origins of the Rapture actually don’t go back that far, but farther than you may have been taught (if you were taught!).
First of all, the word ‘rapture’ is not even included in the Scriptures, and was unknown as a theology or a doctrine by the Church for well over 1,800 years.Where then did it come from and when did it begin? Its origins are in the counter reformation move of Papal Rome in the 16th century after Martin Luther nailed his 95 thesis to the church door in Wittenberg on October 31, 1517. It is less well known that the pope at that time authorized three Jesuit Priests to reinterpret Daniel’s 70 weeks of prophecy; the Book of Revelation; and Ezekiel. The goal of these jesuits was to take the heat of the reformation away from the papacy and the protestant association of the Anti-Christ with the pope. The three Jesuits were:
  1. Francisco Ribera (1537-1591) of Salamanca,
  2. Luis de Alcazar (1554-1621) of Seville, and
  3. Cardinal Roberto Bellarmine (1542-1621).
The doctrine – called futurism – which would later become ‘the rapture’ originated and was submitted by Francisco Ribera in 1585. His Apocalyptic Commentary was on the grand points of Babylon and the Anti-Christ which are now known as the rapture doctrine. Ribera’s published work was called “In Sacram Beati Ionnis Apostoli & Evangelistate Apocoalypsin Commentari” (Lugduni 1593). You can still find these writings in the Bodleian Library in Oxford England. The work was considered flawed and faulty, and was ordered buried in the Church archives, out of sight, by the pope himself. Unfortunately, over 200 years later a librarian to the Archbishop of Canterbury by the name of S. R. Maitland (1792-1866) was appointed to be the Keeper of the Manuscripts at Lambeth Palace, in London, England. In his duties, Dr. Maitland came across Francisco Ribera’s rapture theology and he had it republished for the sake of interest in early 1826 with follow ups in 1829 and 1830. This was spurred along with the Oxford Tracts that were published in 1833 to try and deprotestantize the Church of England. John Nelson Darby (1800-1882) (A Leader of the Plymouth Brethren) became a follower of S.R. Maitland’s prophetic endeavors and was persuaded. Darby’s influence in the seminaries of Europe combined with 7 tours of the United States changed the eschatological view of the ministers which had the trickle down effect into the churches. Another contributor to the rapture ideology came through Emmanuel Lacunza (1731-1801), a Jesuit priest from Chile. Lacunza wrote the “Coming of Messiah in Glory and Majesty” around 1791. It was later published in London in 1827. The book was attributed to a fictitious author name Rabbi Juan Josafat BenEzra. Edward Irving (1792-1834) contended that it was the work of a converted Jew and proved that even the Jewish scholars embraced a pre-tribulation rapture line of thought. It wasn’t long until he had persuaded others to follow his line of thought which gave birth to the Irvingites. However, when chaotic disturbances arose in Irving’s services during the manifestations of these “gifts”, the Church of Scotland took action, dismissing Irving from his position as minister in 1832. In 1830 during one of Irving’s sessions before his dismissal, a young Scottish girl, named Margaret MacDonald, fell into a trance. After several hours of “vision” and “prophesying” she revealed that Christ’s return would occur in two phases, not just one. Christ would first come visibly to only the righteous, then He would come a second time to execute wrath on the unrighteous in the nations. This rapture was promoted by Irving claiming he, too, had heard a voice from heaven commanding him to teach it. In March 1830, in Port Glasgow, Scotland, 15 year old Margaret McDonald made claim of her visions. Robert Norton published Margaret’s visions and prophecies in a book entitled, “The Restoration of Apostles and Prophets in the Catholic Apostolic Church” (London, 1861). The ultimate result of Irving’s dismissal was the formation of the Catholic Apostolic Church, which still exists until this day. Irving’s movement grew and became the basis of modern day pentecostalism. There is good evidence that John Nelson Darby, the father of modern dispensationalism, visited Margaret Macdonald in her home during her ecstatic episodes. He began to teach the rapture as a result, provided the idea with theological underpinings necessary for it to be considered legitimate, and his teachings were embraced by the Plymouth Brethren. Darby’s teachings were embraced radically by Cyrus Ingerson Scofield (1843-1921). Scofield adopted Darby’s (Ribera’s) school of prophetic thought into the Scofield Reference Bible of 1909 which was heralded at that time as the “book of books”, and continues to legitimize this false teaching in the eyes of many protestants. The natural evolution of this movement has resulted in the recent emergence of the “Toronto Blessing” (Laughing Spirit) phenomenon, a bizarre experience of uncontrollably ‘laughing in the Spirit.’ Although the modern day view of every believer being taken away in a rapture is different from all of the thoughts that came before it, there is little doubt to it’s error.
  • Lacunza asserted that only those believers that partake of the sacrament of the Eucharist would be raptured;
  • Margaret McDonald said the rapture would only take those that were filled with the Holy Spirit; and
  • Norton claimed that only those that had been sealed with the Holy Spirit by the laying on of hands would be raptured.
As you might imagine, confusion ensued.
 
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Wow Green Berean that last post nailed it in the head. The Rapture is so secret that it only came out in the 1500's. Does that not alarm anybody that it was unaware until a Jesuit came and twisted Scripture. SCARY right. Now most so called Protestants believe and are deceived by this Rapture theory. This is very dangerous because the deceiver has many, many people believing that we don't have to let our LORD sanctify us right now or daily. It has alot of people believing that even if those that are living in the worst sin can keep on doing this even when the LORD returns cause remember "we have another chance". There is NO other chance. The Rapture is false. The Roman Papacy new that all Christian new that the prophecy pointed to them as the Beast in prophecy. Did you know that even up to the 1970's, during J.F. Kennedy presidential candidate, the evangelicals or majority of the Christians back then were against him being president because he was a devouted Catholic. You see they knew about the Papacy and what they are. Dont get me wrong I love Catholics and my own mother is a Catholic for know. The whole point is that the Rapture is false and there is a lot of false doctrines creeping into the Churches beware. Hold fast to the Word of God and study for yourselves.
 
Actually .. all the word rapture means is "taken up" or "caught up".

This primarily comes from..
1Thes 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first.
1Thes 4:17 Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord.

..from that perspective the term "rapture" is in the Bible.
But you are right about one thing... one reason so many doctrines came out after the 15th century was because the common people really didn't have access to Bible and much of the theology of the period was Roman Catholic doctrine.

If the rapture is a false doctrine there are over 50 scriptures that are very hard to explain away.
(Matt 24:36-37; Mark 13:32 and 1Thess 5:2; Matt 24:27; Matt 24:30-31; Matt 24:40-42 and 1Thess 3:13 also 1Thess 4:14-17 and 2Thess 1:10; John 14:2-3; Luke 17:24) there are a few for starters.

On the other hand, there have been more doctrines crop up out of the woodwork in the last 50 years than any other time in history. There are more "Christian" religions than ever and they tend to be further and further from the Bible as time progresses.
 
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BAC,
You are right, but people have always criticised what did not fit their view and if you show them verses to back what you are saying, you will hear a lot about the many times the Bible has been translated plus the errors made and the condtradictions they claim are in the Bible. Somehow, scriptures get left out or twisted to fit their views. What is sad many churches are supporting this kind of doctrine.
 
Don't get me wrong: I'd love for the Rapture to happen just as good, ol' Tim LaHaye swears it will. It's possible that the Rapture doctrine was veiled from history for 1,600 years. It's certainly possible that the Christians who learned directly from the apostles didn't interpret those teachings in the way that pro-Rapture theologians do today because God willed it (the notion that the Roman Catholics hid the Rapture doctrine in secret for centuries and centuries doesn't make sense because they're the ones who publicized it). It's certainly possible that it required a couple of Jesuits to bring to light what centuries of early Christian writers (Augustine, Justin Martyr, Tertullian, Origen, Clement [of Alexandria and Rome], and any others that get referenced when discussing Christian history) failed to see.
I don't see how it's likely, but I won't say it's impossible.

Personally, what I understand the Bible to say about the Second Coming is this: it will be good for the righteous and terrible for the wicked; Jesus will come suddenly and unexpectedly to judge the world which will be consumed by fire (2 Peter 3:10); Judgment Day commences; and a new heaven and earth are instituted.
Beyond that, I really don't know one way or another. Maybe Jesus intended it to be that way. His message always pointed toward the present moment rather than far and away points in time (Acts 1:7).
 
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Hi green. You and several others are saying you know what the point is that He is coming. Thats good. I believe is coming too. If some want to believe that they will be secretly wisked away to idk where let them believe that. Jesus puts it best in Matt. 16:27 when He comes with all His angels and, He will reward each according to our works. We can,t believe that we will have anther chance after He comes. Very dangerous to believe. In 2pet 3:10 SAYS" He will come as a thief in the night, in which the heavens will pass away with a great noise( or the last trumpet in 1thess.4:16), and the elementd will melt with fervent heat; both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up) . He will come as a thief but to who? Now answer is in 1thess5:1-6 focusing on verse 4-6. "But you brethren are not in darkness, so that this Day ( Christs return) should overtake you as a thief.5) you are all sons of light and sons of day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.6) thereforelet us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober". Now reading that did Peter or Paul believe in a secret Rapture? The best is that Jesus says in Rev.3:3" Remember therefore how you have received and heard: hold fast and repent. Therefore if you will not Watch, I will come upon you as a Thief, and you willnot know what hour I will come upon you. Pretty simple to understand we have to be watchful and sober, not filled with spiritual drunkennes or confused. Hope this helped everybody
 
Also Paul and Peter both said that when Jesus returns the earth and even the heavens will get burned up.same as Isaiamh11:4 and 2 thess.2:8. Kep watch people do not let false doctrines creep in. Do not be deceived. The devil has alot of years of practice of deceiving people. Stay in Gods DWord. Not peoples. AMEN GOD BLESS YOU ALL.
 
I find comfort in believing that he will come for his church before the tribulations. I do believe that he will. The tribulations is not for his church, but for Israel and followers of the Anti Christ, nu the church which is his bride. Even so, Come Lord Jesus.
 
Maybe you're unaware, Ms. Dolittl, that the Church was suffering under tremendous tribulation during the time of Revelation's writing. Christians were being taken from their homes, their property confiscated, and they were being thrown to lions. Emperor Nero was said to use Christians as human torches to light his race track. If you were a Christian blacksmith in Ephesus, for example, but you did not put a symbol or image of Diana on your metalwork, then the blacksmith guild would blackball you. This would make it illegal and dangerous for you to practice your trade in Ephesus; nobody would buy from you or sell you materials with which to work. It has been said that the seeds of the Church were watered with the blood of its martyrs.
In America, we have had a blessed bubble of protection from the persecution suffered by the Church since its beginning. Elsewhere in the world, such as in Egypt, there are Christians still being ran out of their homes and killed for their faith.

Like I said, I'd love for the Rapture to happen as many people describe it will, but I do not believe things because they give me comfort. I believe them on the basis of their truth, and the truth is, besides the Rapture doctrine's dubious origins, God is less concerned with our comfort than He is with our character. So far, America's character has suffered for the comforts God has blessed her with, so I really don't see how He would reward us for that.

Personally, if there is a Rapture, I'd ask to stay. My life is not my own, so I'd like God to do more with it than simply make me as comfortable as possible. I don't want to be a nick-knack.
 
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You don't have to wait for the tribulation or rapture to be more than a knick-knack. You can witness, be a missionary, find a ministry now. Anyone can pray.
As for me, I don't want to be around when meteors, hailstones, and fire start falling from the sky. When there are earthquakes that level entire cities and
move entire islands and mountains. If I am still on the earth during the tribulation I won't take the mark of the beast, and I won't worship him. I would rather
not be on the earth when a third of the lakes, oceans and rivers turn to blood and become bitter and poisonous. When heat from the sun becomes so intense
that people die and the days are shortened I would rather not be here.
 
I'm a youth pastor, as well as a member of my church's board of leaders. That's just at church. I also hit the streets to do witnessing. Fear not; I am no nick-knack. I'm just not afraid of wrath.

John 17:15 "I pray not that thou shouldest take them from the world, but that thou shouldest keep them from the evil one."
 
There are errors being propagated in some of these posts concerning the issue of Jesus Christ's resurrection and how it applies to the pre-trib rapture theory.

As I have posted similarly elsewhere,

The rapture doctrine requires students of the scriptures to approach each relevant verse with certain pre-conceived notions about prophecy. If you simply read the various prophetic verses about the return of Christ, the Bible clearly teaches that believers will be "gathered" at the second coming -- not some secret, invisible return that precedes his BIG second coming at the end of the tribulation. The problem isn't in our understanding of the rapture, because the rapture as routinely taught today doesn't even exist; the difficulty is in our understanding of the resurrection.

In John chapter five, Jesus tells us how God the Father has committed the power of resurrection to him. Jesus says "He that heareth my word and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life...for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice. And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation." (John 6:24, 28, 29 KJV) According to these passages, apparently there are two resurrections: one for those "that have done good," and a resurrection for those "that have done evil."

In one of the parallel accounts, a verse in Luke has Christ himself saying that the believer shall "be recompensed at the resurrection of the just." (Luke 14:14 KJV) Another proof text of this dual aspect of the resurrection is found in the book of Acts when the Apostle Paul was brought before the Roman governor Felix and charged with heresy by the Jews.

Paul stated that he believes, as the Jews did, "that there shall be a resurrection of the dead, both of the just and unjust." (Acts 24:15 KJV) A further example of this understanding of two resurrections is found in the Old Testament, when the prophet Daniel was instructed by the archangel Michael concerning the tribulation and the resurrection. In that instance, Michael said that in the time of the end, "many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt." (Daniel 12:2 KJV)

Back in the New Testament book of Revelation, we find a reference to "the first resurrection." (Rev 20:5 KJV) This first resurrection clearly relates to believers in Jesus, for the text states that they "lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years." (Rev 20:4 KJV)

In the same chapter, John (the writer of Revelation) says "the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished." (Rev 20:5 KJV) Later in the chapter John says, "when the thousand years are expired...I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God...and the dead were judged..." (Rev 20:7, 12 KJV) These verses plainly state that there are 2 resurrections -- one for believers and one for unbelievers.

The Revelation passages further clarify that these two resurrections are separated by one thousand years; this being the period we commonly call the millennium during which the resurrected believers shall "reign with him a thousand years." (Rev 20:6 KJV)<!-- google_ad_section_end -->
 
I believe the first resurrection has already been instituted. When Jesus rose from the grave, He was fully and completely resurrected--the firstborn over Creation. The early church stood as the firstfruits of the resurrection. When the day of reckoning comes, then the resurrection of the just will be complete as Christ returns, and then the remaining dead (the wicked) will be resurrected for judgment. The "second" resurrection is the final event in the process of the first (or actual) resurrection.
 
reckoning vs. resurrection/"rapture"

I believe the first resurrection has already been instituted. When Jesus rose from the grave, He was fully and completely resurrected--the firstborn over Creation.The early church stood as the firstfruits of the resurrection.

It is Christ himself who is the firstfruits. Further, the end has not yet been attained:

But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. 1 Cr 15:20-26 KJV

When the day of reckoning comes,

The "day of reckoning" is a totally separate event from the resurrection/"rapture" issue. It is not the second coming. It is an event spoken of in the New Testament when the LORD returns and "reckoneth" with His servants (Matthew 18:24). The word is associated with an accounting, or a numbering, and the event is described in Matthew 25 with the parable of the 10 virgins (Matthew 25:19).

The Bible teaches about a time when GOD will sharply escalate his dealings with unrepentant mankind - and a time when He will reckon with His servants. Ironically, the specific period when God inaugurates the Reckoning is almost universally taught to be a time when He will do the exact opposite of what the scriptures actually tell us He will do.

In what may very well be the greatest tragedy of the last two centuries, the dispensational theorists have seized the reins of leadership in the "church" and as they have consolidated their power, they have widely programmed millions of church attendees into believing in something called the "rapture." The great irony of this is found in the fact that many of the verses put forth to describe the so-called "rapture" actually describe an event that may more appropriately be dubbed the Reckoning.

One of the most common errors seen in prophetic studies is our apparent propensity to consolidate many passages into the same event - especially when such a compression is unwarranted by the text. Thus, when we see a verse that describes the wrath of God, many simply say this is the same thing as the second coming.

Others, in seeking to "rightly divide the word of truth," arbitrarily assume the "wrath" spoken of in a tribulational context, is the second "half" of a theoretical seven-year tribulation. Because the doctrine of a seven-year great tribulation is itself false, the assignment of the passages dealing with the "wrath of God" into a portion of this faultily derived seven-year period then compounds the error.

Thus, error exponentially engenders further error until the prophetic chronology that is specified in scripture becomes so completely convoluted that retrieving basic truth becomes a Herculean task. The largest single offender in this babelistic bovine eskatology of the modern church is the false doctrine of dispensationalism - also known as the rapture cult.

Lest we offend the cultists with the erroneous assumption that in slashing the false doctrine of pretribulationism we're propagating preterism or some abstract and non-literal form of the second coming, I'll hasten to state that Jesus Christ IS coming back in our time. Furthermore, He IS coming back physically, just as the angels stated at His ascension, "this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven."

The real question is not only WHEN is He coming back, but WHOM is He coming back to retrieve, and "what shall be the sign of His coming, and of the end of the world?"
 
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Predicting the timing of an extra-Biblical term like the rapture is suicidal.

The doctrine runs the risk of adding to or taking away from the prophetic words of the Bible at extreme costs to one's life. (Rev. 22: 18-21) So, why bother?
 
lets see...


since i cannot post a link, cause i dont have 100 post...

whenistherapture is the website

this is pretty biblical sound. according to scripture, we can see that after the tribulation occurs Jesus will come for us.
but on a side note, regardless, anyone can use scripture to back up their theories (as you may see, the sides are drawn, both sides using scripture) but irregardless, we need to be prepared for when Jesus comes, and that includes having a relationship and living your life for Christ, following His laws and commands, and giving your life soley to Him. It is by grace we have been saved, and once saved we will have the spirit of the mighty God living in us, guiding us and leading us. as a born again christian, it shouldnt matter when, just know it, and be prepared.
matthew 24: 44 ESV Therefore you also must be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect. We will get the end result anyways and that is being with a God who loves us and cares unconditionally. May the mighty God bless you all as your day continues.


Gina
 
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