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The Problem With The Book of Acts

Enow

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The problem with the Book of Acts is how wayward believers forget the faith and try to fit their supernatural experiences into the Book of Acts to understand it as they want it to be from God, and yet we are called to test the spirits, as in testing all things by the scriptures in according to the faith we have in Christ Jesus. Many believers read inbetween the lines or read the scriptures wrong to justify preaching that one does not always receive the promise of the Spirit when believing in Jesus all because they experienced what seemed like a similar encounter found in the Book of Acts later on in their lives as a believer in Jesus Christ.

By His grace, I hope to cover all the errant teachings in Acts today.

Acts 19: 1And it came to pass, that, while Apollos was at Corinth, Paul having passed through the upper coasts came to Ephesus: and finding certain disciples,

Certain disciples here are followers of John the Baptist's. The use of the word "certain" should have been enough of a clue to disassociate these disciples from what Paul has been associated with. His two questions below told Paul and us that they did not know Jesus Christ.


2He said unto them, Have ye received the Holy Ghost since ye believed? And they said unto him, We have not so much as heard whether there be any Holy Ghost. 3And he said unto them, Unto what then were ye baptized? And they said, Unto John's baptism.

There you have it. Unto John' baptism. Paul went on to tell them of Jesus Christ, and if you note, these disciples of John were baptized again by water, but this time, in the name of the Lord Jesus.

4Then said Paul, John verily baptized with the baptism of repentance, saying unto the people, that they should believe on him which should come after him, that is, on Christ Jesus. 5When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. 6And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied. 7And all the men were about twelve.

These certain disciples were not believers in Jesus Christ. They knew "He" was coming as John the Baptist had prophesied to them, but as people come and go, so did these certain disciples as they were obviously not around when Jesus had made His appearance to John the Baptist, nor were they around for His ministry afterwards. Paul had to tell them about Jesus Christ and to baptize in His name before they had received the Holy Ghost as promised by Jesus.

May the Lord cause the increase over this correction on the misinterpretation of scriptures above by many wayward believers.

Next misuse of the Book of Acts is ...

Acts 8:5Then Philip went down to the city of Samaria, and preached Christ unto them. 6And the people with one accord gave heed unto those things which Philip spake, hearing and seeing the miracles which he did.

Now Philip had encountered a people that was beset by unclean spirits.

7For unclean spirits, crying with loud voice, came out of many that were possessed with them: and many taken with palsies, and that were lame, were healed. 8And there was great joy in that city.

Now Luke went to the trouble of giving a background to these people and a certain man named Simon, the scorceror.

9But there was a certain man, called Simon, which beforetime in the same city used sorcery, and bewitched the people of Samaria, giving out that himself was some great one: 10To whom they all gave heed, from the least to the greatest, saying, This man is the great power of God. 11And to him they had regard, because that of long time he had bewitched them with sorceries.

Sounds like he is the culprit of many of these people being bewitched by unclean spirits. Notice how these people from the least to the greatest had called Simon in verse 10. He was infamous and feared.

12But when they believed Philip preaching the things concerning the kingdom of God, and the name of Jesus Christ, they were baptized, both men and women. 13Then Simon himself believed also: and when he was baptized, he continued with Philip, and wondered, beholding the miracles and signs which were done.

Now we are about to read something that is puzzling and contrary to what we know of the faith and the promise of all those that come to Jesus... but again, it is our lack of understanding. Do keep in mind the background that Luke and may the Lord show you why.

14Now when the apostles which were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent unto them Peter and John: 15Who, when they were come down, prayed for them, that they might receive the Holy Ghost: 16(For as yet he was fallen upon none of them: only they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus.) 17Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Ghost.

Okay, then. We have read the puzzle. Do we doubt our faith or the promise given by Jesus or do we read on and see the mentality of the people and why God did not care to have them commit the unpardonable sin.

18And when Simon saw that through laying on of the apostles' hands the Holy Ghost was given, he offered them money, 19Saying, Give me also this power, that on whomsoever I lay hands, he may receive the Holy Ghost.

Well, it certainly looks like Simon, the believer in Jesus Christ was stiil off a bit in his approach to God.

20But Peter said unto him, Thy money perish with thee, because thou hast thought that the gift of God may be purchased with money. 21Thou hast neither part nor lot in this matter: for thy heart is not right in the sight of God.

Peter just testified that no one had this part nor lot in this matter. Even though he and John just laid hands on them and "prayed" as they did in verse 15, so it was not them that gave these people the Holy Ghost, but the Son.

Remember the people in how they were bewitched by Simon the scrorceror? They, too had the mentality of a person having the ability to impart a spirit unto someone, and if the Holy Ghost had come upon them the moment they had believed with Simon among them, they would have confused the event as to the bewitchings of Simon. God would not save a people just to have them commit an unpardonable sin. Even if it wasn't possible to commit this sin, it still would have confused the new believers and have them flee from the Gospel preached that what receiving of the Holy Spirit was the promise from God and not due to the bewitchings of simon the scorceror. Even Simon had to be corrected for seeking another power to impart "spirits" since he was infamous and feared among the people for doing so.

22Repent therefore of this thy wickedness, and pray God, if perhaps the thought of thine heart may be forgiven thee. 23For I perceive that thou art in the gall of bitterness, and in the bond of iniquity. 24Then answered Simon, and said, Pray ye to the LORD for me, that none of these things which ye have spoken come upon me.

So not only did God cared about the people that were bewitched by Simon, but He cared enough to reach Simon to cause him to repent.

This is why Luke bothered to give the background on Simon and the people of the area so as to be the reason why the Holy Ghost had not fallen on any of them yet when they believed and were baptized in His name. The supernatural was high in that area, and the peace of God is that He is not the author of confusion, but of peace as in "all" churches of the saints, even "newbies" in Christ.

Now contenders would argue that this event alone means that one has to seek after the Holy Spirit to get the Holy Spirit. They would be sore amiss in that the prayers were not plainly directed to the Spirit, were they? Given that the rudiment of Simon the scorceror is to contact spirits and to bewitch people with spirits which is of the world, God would not speak as the world speak, nor have them hear as the world hears in order to have the faith in Jesus stand apart from the world. That is why all invitations points to the Son, and not the Spirit. It is by believing in the Son, we have received the promise by faith.

That is exactly what had happened in Acts 10:34-48. Contenders would argue that we do not know if Peter had addressed the Spirit to come or not, but the exact words were recorded as in why it was written so in verse 44 to avoid those that would add words to the event to justify seeking after the Holy Spirit when it is the Gospel preached that by believing in Jesus brings about the promise of the Spirit. If there be any doubts, read the letters to the churches. The letters are written for our edification and for doctrines, but the Book of Acts is the early history of the christian church, and it is by knowing our faith in Jesus Christ should one read Acts in like manner.

Ephesians 1:12That we should be to the praise of his glory, who first trusted in Christ. 13In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, 14Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory. 15Wherefore I also, after I heard of your faith in the Lord Jesus, and love unto all the saints,

John 3:6That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 7Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 8The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.

John 6: 35And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

Hebrews 11:1Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.... 6But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Galatians 3:14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

John 14:6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me....
15If ye love me, keep my commandments.

What commandments are we to keep in getting the promise of the Spirit? It cannot be everything that He taught cause we need Him in us to live the christian life as His "standard" are higher than the works of the Law. So the commandment He is speaking of in regards to our faith in Jesus are His invitations in approaching God the Father through the Son... and no other way, so as to stand apart from the world on how they seek after other spirits.

16And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever; 17Even the Spirit of truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you, and shall be in you.

The world cannot receive the Spirit for they see Him not, thus they receive other spirits in the world as they see it, but we will know Him for He dwells in us. We need not seek after the Holy Spirit to get the Spirit, but rest in Jesus and His promises to us by faith.

The day of Pentecost in Acts 2 has been used to explain a "baptism of the Holy Spirit" on believers that were away from the assembly and doing other things. One woman went to the pastor to ask what had happened to her, and he went to the Book of Acts. She had always believed in Jesus before, and se was just "reading her Bible" when it happened and she started to speak in tongues. She testified to that moment as when she knew she was saved as she got it all at once, the baptism of the Holy Spirit and speaking in tongues. She did not realized that she just changed the testimony of the Gospel as hearers would doubt whethor coming to Jesus and believing in Him was enough to rest in Him, and thus begins that rollercoaster ride with no rest in sight. Upon inquiry, she did not recall what she was reading in the Bible and yet she would testified that other people were doing other things when it happened to them.

She, nor the pastor, nor the others tested the spirits to discern them. The Holy Spirit would not do that to change their testimony. The results of their testimony is to lead people from their rest in Jesus to seek after the Holy Spirit when He is in them as promised. They forget that the Holy Spirit is to bear witness of Jesus and to glorify the Son.

Behold:

Matthew 316And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Mark 1:9-11 & John 1:32-34 testify of the same as the voice from heaven, God the Father spoke of the Son as the Spirit bore witness by descending like a dove on the Son. The Father did not speak of the Spirit to say, "Behold this coming from above. Seek that and ye shall be saved." And yet, the way wayward believers testify, one would think that is the Gospel, and it is not.

John 15:26But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 16:13Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

If the Holy Spirit will not speak of Himself, and all invitations and scriptures points to come to the Son, then why are wayward believers pointing to the Spirit to get the Spirit and the things of the Spirit?

John 5:39Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

Philippians 1:6Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ: 9And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment; 10That ye may approve things that are excellent; that ye may be sincere and without offence till the day of Christ. 11Being filled with the fruits of righteousness, which are by Jesus Christ, unto the glory and praise of God.
 
The Way Provided in Approaching God

The only way to honour the Father is through the Son. The moment anyone stops honouring the Son, you are no longer honouring the Father. People that broaden the way by including the Holy Spirit in worship and addressing the Holy Spirit in prayer or to seek after the Holy Spirit, are opening themselves up for a thief to break through. That is why unusual events has happened outside the normal confines of the assembly as well as within for they suffered their house to be broken through by breaking the commandment in approaching God.

John 5: 22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

So Acts 2 is not something to attribute these solitary baptism of the Holy Spirit with speaking in tongues on present day believers as one that has to wait for salvation awhile before they get it "all". That is a thief if there ever was one. By the testimony alone, that causes doubts in the Gospel of Jesus Christ when they should have rested in His promise that they are saved by calling on Jesus. They did not test the spirits nor discern the message being given.

These isolated "delayed" baptism of the Holy Spirit is not defined as such as some will call it the "anointing". Others will experience the same thing again and again as they testify to more than one baptism of the Holy Spirit: one author testify in a book that there are three baptisms of the Holy Spirit: I met a man that read that book as he expounded on it that there are five baptisms of the Holy Spirit. Others will carry it over to declare that it is the sanctification of the Spirit and another will proclaim that it is the filling of the Spirit as repetitive as it was getting. Little by little, the "spirits" gets its place in the worship service, stealing the time away from the Bridegroom as believers forget the role of the Holy Spirit and the faith in Jesus Christ.

Ephesians 4: 4There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling; 5One Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

2 Corinthians 13:5Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?


Colossians 2:5For though I be absent in the flesh, yet am I with you in the spirit, joying and beholding your order, and the stedfastness of your faith in Christ. 6As ye have therefore received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk ye in him: 7Rooted and built up in him, and stablished in the faith, as ye have been taught, abounding therein with thanksgiving. 8Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments of the world, and not after Christ.

9For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily. 10And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

There are tongues found in the world that comes without interpretation as result of being in contact with other spirits.

Isaiah 8:19And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?

Does this mean that you are not His? No. It is written that we are to test the spirits; signs and wonders will come to fool even the elect, but the elect will remember their faith as well as their first love by the grace of God and return to their rest in Jesus in keeping their eyes on Him for He is the Good Shepherd as well as the Bridegroom.

Matthew 24: 24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.

So when reading the Book of Acts, know your faith in Jesus Christ and not allow anyone to fail in testing these spirits in the scriptures by reading inbetween the lines in the Book of Acts which served as a history of the early churches; not as a letter of instructions to the churches for doctrines in regards to the faith in Our Lord Jesus Christ.

There is a rest for the people of God. Keep that faith for coming to Jesus. Suffer not the thief to break through. Keep your eyes on the Son for we are to be the chaste Bride to the Bridegroom in relations to God, & be not seen as part of the world in how they seek after spirits.

Hebrews 4:
1Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it. 2For unto us was the gospel preached, as well as unto them: but the word preached did not profit them, not being mixed with faith in them that heard it. 3For we which have believed do enter into rest, as he said, As I have sworn in my wrath, if they shall enter into my rest: although the works were finished from the foundation of the world. ...

9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

12For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do.

14Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Remember our first love; the Bridegroom.
1 Peter 2:24Who his own self bare our sins in his own body on the tree, that we, being dead to sins, should live unto righteousness: by whose stripes ye were healed. 25For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.
 
The problem with the Book of Acts is how wayward believers forget the faith and try to fit their supernatural experiences into the Book of Acts to understand it as they want it to be from God, and yet we are called to test the spirits, as in testing all things by the scriptures in according to the faith we have in Christ Jesus. Many believers read inbetween the lines or read the scriptures wrong to justify preaching that one does not always receive the promise of the Spirit when believing in Jesus all because they experienced what seemed like a similar encounter found in the Book of Acts later on in their lives as a believer in Jesus Christ.

By His grace, I hope to cover all the errant teachings in Acts today.


I do not see any problems 'with the book of Acts' neither do I find any errant teachings. The book of Acts still continues today as men and women go forth in Jesus Name to preach the gospel.

The 12 men in which Paul encountered in Ephesus were as I see it a great testimony to the preaching of John Baptist. Years later and many miles distant they were still following the teaching of John. John, the bible says was the greatest of all the prophets !!

Paul was able to tell them about Jesus.


Philip went down to Samaria and preached Christ unto them......a revival broke out...there was great joy in that city.

I do not have a problem with that or any of the events following

Maybe I missed the point of your post ?
 
Holy Ghost.

Well, I am not sure what the post is really about. Enow started: A problem with the Book of Acts.

I think his point was that people misunderstand Being Born again and automatically getting filled with the Spirit of God. (I Think) I don't think he meant that there is really a problem with the book of Acts it's self as God's Word has no issues.

If Acts really has an issue then The Book of Job would be a problem and about every Book of he bible could be a problem.
God let the hedge down so that a spiritual mad dog could tear in to job and his family just to see what he was made out of.
ya, right........

Jesus was Born of the Word of God. (No physical father.) He came into this World already Born again. (New non-Satanic spirit) This is why no sin was found in his life. Some say as a child he had to sin, No..... I don't think so. God's Word says different.

His power and authority over matter, sickness, demons, ect did not take place until the Holy Ghost came on him. Now we have a human that is Born again and filled with the very Power that took the substance of faith from God's Word and created matter. Well, the Holy Ghost is a person, not just a power.

WE see in the book of acts those that believed but did not even know about a Holy Ghost.

So, there would only be one filling of the Holy Ghost, not 3 or 5.
Jesus said, how much more will the father give the Holy Spirit to those that ask him. Well, God has to be father first before asking.

If you want to believe that once your born again that you are filled with the Holy Ghost, then fine. Just be convinced yourself.

Is tongues proof that we are filled with the Holy Ghost? NO......
there are teachings today that if you don't speak in tongues then you don't have the Spirit of God and it's off to the hot place for you.

The spirit of God bears witness that we are his, not tongues.

You can't receive anything from the Word if you don't know your suppose to have it. I have scriptures, but that's not the study.

You could be filled with the Holy Ghost and not have faith or understanding about the gift of tongues. (I have been through many cases of this.)

So having posted all this, I still don't know if it's on topic.
God Bless
Jesus Is Lord.
 
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Applying Personal Experience with Acts

I do not see any problems 'with the book of Acts' neither do I find any errant teachings. The book of Acts still continues today as men and women go forth in Jesus Name to preach the gospel.

The 12 men in which Paul encountered in Ephesus were as I see it a great testimony to the preaching of John Baptist. Years later and many miles distant they were still following the teaching of John. John, the bible says was the greatest of all the prophets !!

Paul was able to tell them about Jesus.


Philip went down to Samaria and preached Christ unto them......a revival broke out...there was great joy in that city.

I do not have a problem with that or any of the events following

Maybe I missed the point of your post ?

Hi Stephen,

It is more about how one applies or define their supernatural experiences with the Book of Acts and thus from doing so, are developing errant teachings from it as well as a false witness.

You may hear it from time to time, but some that err will say, believers do not always get the Holy Spirit when they are saved. They will refer to the "certain disciples" of John the Baptist's and thus declare that as proof. The only reason that they do so is to explain why after years of believing in Jesus that they had this encounter of what they believed to be the Holy Spirit coming unto them and causing them to speak in tongues, thus changing their testimony as well as their witness of "when" they were saved.

Others will point to Simon the scorceror and say that is proof that one does not always receive the Holy Spirit right away, but as I explained, Luke gave the background to Simon the scorceror and the people in the area to explain why the Holy Spirit did not come upon them even after they were baptized in the name of Jesus because God ddid not want them to commit the unpardonable sin or at the very least, confuse the baptism of the Holy Spirit with the bewitchings of Simon's since he was among them. As one can read of the event, even Simon wasn't right in approaching God yet to be abiding in Him.

In any event, wayward believers are not testing the spirits to which they believe is the supernatural encounter from God, and because it involves speaking in tongues, they try to identify with the experience by fitting it in the Book of Acts, instead of discerning the experience by the scriptures regarding the faith in Jesus Christ.

It is how the Way has been broadened in the worship service that gives seducing spirits opportunities to break through when wayward believers take their eyes off of Jesus in approaching God, and place their eyes on the Holy Spirit when the Holy Spirit does not seek to be worshipped nor glorified since He dwells in us to testify and glorify the Son. The false assumption that since the Holy Spirit is God, it is okay to worship and even pray to the Holy Spirit, must be done away with by the scriptures so as to narrow the Way back to Jesus since He is the only Way to God the Father. The fact that scriptures defines the relationship of the Father and the Son goes to show how we are to approach God the Father in worship as IN spirit and IN truth. It is by the Son that we have received the promise of the Spirit and thus the reason why we can rest in the Son and not be chasing after the Holy Spirit. To do so is to void the promise as well as the faith in Jesus Christ as well as the resting place we have in the Son.
 
Well, I am not sure what the post is really about. Enow started: A problem with the Book of Acts.

I think his point was that people misunderstand Being Born again and automatically getting filled with the Spirit of God. (I Think) I don't think he meant that there is really a problem with the book of Acts it's self as God's Word has no issues.

If Acts really has an issue then The Book of Job would be a problem and about every Book of he bible could be a problem.
God let the hedge down so that a spiritual mad dog could tear in to job and his family just to see what he was made out of.
ya, right........

Jesus was Born of the Word of God. (No physical father.) He came into this World already Born again. (New non-Satanic spirit) This is why no sin was found in his life. Some say as a child he had to sin, No..... I don't think so. God's Word says different.

His power and authority over matter, sickness, demons, ect did not take place until the Holy Ghost came on him. Now we have a human that is Born again and filled with the very Power that took the substance of faith from God's Word and created matter. Well, the Holy Ghost is a person, not just a power.

WE see in the book of acts those that believed but did not even know about a Holy Ghost.

So, there would only be one filling of the Holy Ghost, not 3 or 5.
Jesus said, how much more will the father give the Holy Spirit to those that ask him. Well, God has to be father first before asking.

If you want to believe that once your born again that you are filled with the Holy Ghost, then fine. Just be convinced yourself.

Is tongues proof that we are filled with the Holy Ghost? NO......
there are teachings today that if you don't speak in tongues then you don't have the Spirit of God and it's off to the hot place for you.

The spirit of God bears witness that we are his, not tongues.

You can't receive anything from the Word if you don't know your suppose to have it. I have scriptures, but that's not the study.

You could be filled with the Holy Ghost and not have faith or understanding about the gift of tongues. (I have been through many cases of this.)

So having posted all this, I still don't know if it's on topic.
God Bless
Jesus Is Lord.

Hi Brother Mike,

You are right in that it is not about my having a problem with the Book of Acts as it is how wayward believers use the Book of Acts to identify their supernatural encounter as it seems to be from God when the "spirit" came on them and they began speaking in tongues, and yet they had believed in Jesus as their Saviour for all that time before. So when it happened, they believed that it was then they were saved and not before by trusting in Jesus as their Saviour, thus wayward believers are changing their testimonies as well as the witnesses of the Gospel as to when and how they are saved.

Now as per your noting the problem of confusing filling with being born again as some believers will testify, ( I would not, just so you know where I stand on Jesus that the filling and being born again is a one time event) there is still the problem of others calling the encounter by a different name. Some will call it another baptism of the Holy Ghost as even some would start adding to how many baptisms of the Holy Ghost there are too! Some will call it simply as an anointing, some would call it receiving power, or fire, or sanctification, and thus being a repetitive event, some would call it a continual filling of the Spirit, but the problem here is, if that be of the Lord, how is it that all these similar encounters is not clearly defined?

Thus the danger of attributing the encounter to be of God, looking to define it by the Book of Acts, instead of using the scriptures to test the spirits and even discern the tongues since there are tongues in the world that can be obtained by the rudiment of seeking after another spirit to receive. If it be found in the world, how easy would it be for the world to come in to the church and preach another spirit to receive, and thus comes with evidence of tongues?

Since Jesus is our resting place, such teachings derived from the Book of Acts, (although not taught as such plainly in the Book of Acts since it is a historical account of the early church), should be compared to letters written to the churches in regards to our faith in Christ Jesus. It is to be done as in discerning it, not making it from God. The moment anyone starts speaking in tongues, they automatically assume it is from God even though there is no interpretation and thus certainly not being used for the furtherance of the Gospel. The end result is nothing more but taking their eyes off of Jesus to the "Spirit", and yet the role of the Holy Spirit has been clearly defined that He would not seek that attention at all, but other spirits would... thus the reason why John 14:6 is the commandment in approaching God the Father through the Son since He is the only Mediator between God and man, the man Christ Jesus ( 1 Timothy 2:5). Relating to God the Father through the Son is the only Way to avoid other spirits that would be a thief in our relationship with Him. Indeed, to be a chaste Bride to the Brodegroom, the Holy Spirit in us is contantly pointing us to the Son even after we are saved so as to avoid false prophets as well as false spirits. Matthew 7:13-27 & Luke 13:24-30 & 1 John 4:3-6.

The thread is for those that hear His voice and will not allow pride to keep oneself from taking a step back to ask the Lord if there be any prunings to be had so as to be rightly relating to the Son, and be found ready and abiding in Him when He appears.

Too often, new believers hear these errant teachings and think they are not saved yet, and that "more" is needed, voiding the rest in Jesus. When wayward believers look for a sign that they are His, then they become an adulterous generation. They need to remember their first love and the promise for all those that come to the Son, thus narrowing the Way back to the gate, Jesus Christ, the Lord.

I know that the Lord will judge the House of God as such, thus reproving those that have gone astray, leaving them behind at the rapture event so that they will be made ready ( the foolish virgins did get the oil, but still too late) as He will finish His work in them so that they will hear His voice finally and be made one with the fold.

John 5:22For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

John 10: 1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber. 4And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.
5And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers. .....7Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep. 8All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them. ......14I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine. 15As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep. 16And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.

I can only hope that God may recover some from the snare of the devil so that believers may be identified by their faith in Christ Jesus, not by seeking to be identified by speaking in tongues in which vainglorying can be found as well as it being from false teachings in preaching another spirit to receive that is also found in the world.

We are complete in Christ Jesus: Colossians 2:5-10 since we have received the Spirit by faith: Ephesians 1:12-15 & Galatians 3:14 & Hebrews 11:1,6 and thus when one is filled at salvation, we are sealed and thus preserved as in saved as His: Matthew 9:17 and thus why we can rest in Jesus: Matthew 11:28-30 & Hebrews 4:1-3,9-11 & why no one shall ever hunger nor thirst anymore after coming to the Son: John 6:35 thus why His name is above every other name: Philippians 2:9-11 and how the Father is glorified: John 13:31-32 & John 17:1-5.

We are living in perilous times, and many alive are asleep in Christ, led away from their faith. Perhaps the other reason for the rapture is to serve as a wake-up call to return to their first love, albeit, missing out on their inheritance.
 
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