The Only Begotten Son Of God.

[Squeaky]

Anyone can post hundreds of scripture and that still doesn't make them a Christian. Your commonality with Satin's belief about Jesus is disturbing.

I said
You sure do put a lot of faith in your own opinion. for what its worth.

Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
(NKJ)

 

[Travis]

I said
I don't have a theology. I have the Holy Spirit. I demonstrate the Spirit. Theology is spiritual theory, and theory is guessing. I don't guess. I have the Word abiding in me and I submit to the Holy Spirit that only quotes verses. Do you know what sanctified means? It means one has been sanctified by the verses. And purged out all that carnality.

Which english translation does the holy spirit quote to you? Just curious.

Travis

 

[DHC]

I said
You sure do put a lot of faith in your own opinion. for what its worth.

Rom 12:16
16 Be of the same mind toward one another. Do not set your mind on high things, but associate with the humble. Do not be wise in your own opinion.
(NKJ)

Hello Squeaky.

Wondering how you might interpret the following passage.

Genesis 32
24 Then Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him until daybreak. 25 When he saw that he had not prevailed against him,
he touched the socket of his thigh; so the socket of Jacob’s thigh was dislocated while he wrestled with him. 26 Then he said, “Let me go,
for the dawn is breaking.” But he said, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.” 27 So he said to him, “What is your name?” And he said,
“Jacob.” 28 He said, “Your name shall no longer be Jacob, but Israel; for you have striven with God and with men and have prevailed.”
29 Then Jacob asked him and said, “Please tell me your name.” But he said, “Why is it that you ask my name?” And he blessed him there.
30 So Jacob named the place Peniel, for he said, “I have seen God face to face, yet my life has been preserved.”

Considering that Jesus said the following.

John 646 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.

 

[Squeaky]

Which english translation does the holy spirit quote to you? Just curious.

Travis

I said
The KJV and the NKJV.

 

[Squeaky]

Hello Squeaky.

Wondering how you might interpret the following passage.

Genesis 32
24 Then Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him until daybreak. 25 When he saw that he had not prevailed against him,
he touched the socket of his thigh; so the socket of Jacob’s thigh was dislocated while he wrestled with him. 26 Then he said, “Let me go,
for the dawn is breaking.” But he said, “I will not let you go unless you bless me.” 27 So he said to him, “What is your name?” And he said,
“Jacob.” 28 He said, “Your name shall no longer be Jacob, but Israel; for you have striven with God and with men and have prevailed.”
29 Then Jacob asked him and said, “Please tell me your name.” But he said, “Why is it that you ask my name?” And he blessed him there.
30 So Jacob named the place Peniel, for he said, “I have seen God face to face, yet my life has been preserved.”

Considering that Jesus said the following.

John 646 Not that anyone has seen the Father, except the One who is from God; He has seen the Father.

I said
Jesus told me through these revelations what I need for salvation. He also told me about the old testament.

John 10:8-9
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
9 "I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.
(NKJ)
Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
(NKJ)

 

[RJ]

Nice DHC,
Here is a verse that says it all:

1. King James Version....Matthew 1:23 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
2. New King James Version....Matthew 1:23 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

The Holy Spirit has just spoken to me through these two translations!

 

[RJ]

Nice DHC,
Here is a verse that says it all:

1. King James Version....Matthew 1:23 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
2. New King James Version....Matthew 1:23 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

The Holy Spirit has just spoken to me through these two translations!

Also, it is odd that Mr. Squeaky says that God talks directly to him through the KJV and the NKJV of scripture and, yet, he appears to discredit them im this posy of his:
I said
The KJV was taken from all these versions. The 1611 KJV was the one who added "He" in place of "IT". The He was added to give the Word authority. God is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". The Holy Spirit is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". He is a Spiritual title of authority. And the KJV wanted to give the Word(verses) the same title of authority. It was never meant to say that Jesus is the Word. The Word came through Jesus. And the Word can control flesh or become flesh.
Tyndale 1534:
Joh 1:1 In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God. 2 The same was in the beginnynge with God. 3 All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made. 4 In it was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men
Bishops 1568:
Joh 1:1 In the begynnyng was the worde, & the worde was with God: and that worde was God. 2 The same was in the begynnyng with God. 3 All thynges were made by it: and without it, was made nothyng that was made. 4 In it was lyfe, and the lyfe was the lyght of men,
Geneva 1587:

• Here, Mr. Squeaks appears to disagree with the KJV version "He" .
• Here are the KVJ translations of John 1:1-6......In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
• Just wondering?

 

[Squeaky]

Nice DHC,
Here is a verse that says it all:

1. King James Version....Matthew 1:23 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.
2. New King James Version....Matthew 1:23 23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

The Holy Spirit has just spoken to me through these two translations!

I said
I know isn't it great. God had someone He could work through.

2 Cor 5:19
19 that is, that God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
(NKJ)

 

[Squeaky]

Also, it is odd that Mr. Squeaky says that God talks directly to him through the KJV and the NKJV of scripture and, yet, he appears to discredit them im this posy of his:
I said
The KJV was taken from all these versions. The 1611 KJV was the one who added "He" in place of "IT". The He was added to give the Word authority. God is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". The Holy Spirit is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". He is a Spiritual title of authority. And the KJV wanted to give the Word(verses) the same title of authority. It was never meant to say that Jesus is the Word. The Word came through Jesus. And the Word can control flesh or become flesh.
Tyndale 1534:
Joh 1:1 In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God. 2 The same was in the beginnynge with God. 3 All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made. 4 In it was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men
Bishops 1568:
Joh 1:1 In the begynnyng was the worde, & the worde was with God: and that worde was God. 2 The same was in the begynnyng with God. 3 All thynges were made by it: and without it, was made nothyng that was made. 4 In it was lyfe, and the lyfe was the lyght of men,
Geneva 1587:

• Here, Mr. Squeaks appears to disagree with the KJV version "He" .
• Here are the KVJ translations of John 1:1-6......In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.
• Just wondering?

I said
I think you have comprehension problems. I never said God speaks to me. I said the Holy Spirit speaks to me daily. The Holy Spirit isn't God.

Now lets look at them verses. The Word is an "IT" not a "He"
3 All thinges were made by it and with out it
3 All thynges were made by it: and without it

 

[Travis]

I said
I think you have comprehension problems. I never said God speaks to me. I said the Holy Spirit speaks to me daily. The Holy Spirit isn't God.

Now lets look at them verses. The Word is an "IT" not a "He"
3 All thinges were made by it and with out it
3 All thynges were made by it: and without it

So then, the KJV incorrectly translated these verses and added to the scriptures the interpretations of man?

 

[B-A-C]

I think you have comprehension problems. I never said God speaks to me. I said the Holy Spirit speaks to me daily. The Holy Spirit isn't God.

Now lets look at them verses. The Word is an "IT" not a "He"
3 All thinges were made by it and with out it
3 All thynges were made by it: and without it

Just remember blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is an unforgiveable sin.
Lets look at a few other translations.

(AMP) All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him was not even one thing made that has come into being. (ASV) All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.
(GNB) Through him God made all things; not one thing in all creation was made without him.
(GW) Everything came into existence through him. Not one thing that exists was made without him.
(HCSB) All things were created through Him, and apart from Him not one thing was created that has been created.
(ISV) Through him all things were made, and apart from him nothing was made that has been made.
(KJV) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
(MKJV) All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.
(MSG) Everything was created through him; nothing--not one thing!-- came into being without him.
(NAS77) All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
(NASB) All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
(NIrV) All things were made through him. Nothing that has been made was made without him.
(NIV) Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
(NLT) God created everything through Him, and nothing was created except through Him.

This is from the Strong's lexicons.

αὐτός
autos
ow-tos'
From the particle αὖ au (perhaps akin to the base of G109 through the idea of a baffling wind; backward); the reflexive pronoun self, used (alone or in the compound of G1438) of the third person, and (with the proper personal pronoun) of the other persons: - her, it (-self), one, the other, (mine) own, said, ([self-], the) same, ([him-, my-, thy-]) self, [your-] selves, she, that, their (-s), them ([-selves]), there [-at, -by, -in, -into, -of, -on, -with], they, (these) things, this (man), those, together, very, which. Compare G848.

Notice there is no "it" anywhere in the definition.

 

[RJ]

I said
I think you have comprehension problems. I never said God speaks to me. I said the Holy Spirit speaks to me daily. The Holy Spirit isn't God.

Now lets look at them verses. The Word is an "IT" not a "He"
3 All thinges were made by it and with out it
3 All thynges were made by it: and without it

• You say that the Holy Spirit talks to you directly through the KJV and the NKJV versions of the Bible.....
• Here is what they say about John 1-4

1.(KJV ). ....In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
2. ( NKJV)..... In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

• Both these versions say Him and He and not it! They both agree that He is a male, not a female.
• You say theses versions talk to you directly but you refuse to listen!
• You're such a fake and to not be listened to!!!!

 

[Squeaky]

So then, the KJV incorrectly translated these verses and added to the scriptures the interpretations of man?

I said
I don't know what do you think. I never did see the He as Jesus. I always seen it as authority. God the Holy Spirit and Jesus are all capitol H when referring to one of them. I always seen the He as authority . Gods Word carrying the same high authority as God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

 

[Squeaky]

Just remember blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is an unforgiveable sin.
Lets look at a few other translations.

(AMP) All things were made and came into existence through Him; and without Him was not even one thing made that has come into being. (ASV) All things were made through him; and without him was not anything made that hath been made.
(GNB) Through him God made all things; not one thing in all creation was made without him.
(GW) Everything came into existence through him. Not one thing that exists was made without him.
(HCSB) All things were created through Him, and apart from Him not one thing was created that has been created.
(ISV) Through him all things were made, and apart from him nothing was made that has been made.
(KJV) All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
(MKJV) All things came into being through Him, and without Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being.
(MSG) Everything was created through him; nothing--not one thing!-- came into being without him.
(NAS77) All things came into being by Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
(NASB) All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
(NIrV) All things were made through him. Nothing that has been made was made without him.
(NIV) Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made.
(NLT) God created everything through Him, and nothing was created except through Him.

This is from the Strong's lexicons.

αὐτός
autos
ow-tos'
From the particle αὖ au (perhaps akin to the base of G109 through the idea of a baffling wind; backward); the reflexive pronoun self, used (alone or in the compound of G1438) of the third person, and (with the proper personal pronoun) of the other persons: - her, it (-self), one, the other, (mine) own, said, ([self-], the) same, ([him-, my-, thy-]) self, [your-] selves, she, that, their (-s), them ([-selves]), there [-at, -by, -in, -into, -of, -on, -with], they, (these) things, this (man), those, together, very, which. Compare G848.

Notice there is no "it" anywhere in the definition.

I said
He's and Him's
2 Cor 5:18
18 Now all things are of God(Father), who has reconciled us to Himself(Father) through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
Heb 2:10
10 For it was fitting for Him(Father), for whom are all things and by whom are all things, in bringing many sons to glory, to make the captain(Jesus) of their salvation perfect through sufferings.
1 Pet 4:19
19 Therefore let those who suffer according to the will of God(Father) commit their souls to Him in doing good, as to a faithful Creator(Father).
1 Cor 11:3
3 But I want you to know that the head of every man is Christ(Jesus), the head of woman is man, and the head of Christ(Jesus) is God(Father).
Eph 2:10
10 For we are His(Father) workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God(Father) prepared beforehand that we should walk in them.
Eph 3:8-11
8 To me, who am less than the least of all the saints, this grace was given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ,
9 and to make all see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the ages has been hidden in God(Father) who created all things through Jesus Christ;
10 to the intent that now the manifold wisdom of God(Father) might be made known by the church to the principalities and powers in the heavenly places,
11 according to the eternal purpose which He(Father) accomplished in Christ Jesus our Lord,
Col 1:13-20
13 He(Father) has delivered us from the power of darkness and conveyed us into the kingdom of the Son(Jesus) of His(Father) love,
14 in whom we have redemption through His(Jesus) blood, the forgiveness of sins.
15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(Father), the firstborn over all creation.
16 For by Him(Father) all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him(Jesus) and for Him(Father).
17 And He(Father) is before all things, and in Him(Father) all things consist.
18 And He(Jesus) is the head of the body, the church, who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that in all things He(Jesus) may have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in Him(Jesus) all the fullness should dwell,
20 and by Him(Father) to reconcile all things to Himself(Father), by Him(Jesus), whether things on earth or things in heaven, having made peace through the blood of His(Jesus) cross.
Rev 4:11
11 "You are worthy, O Lord(Father), to receive glory and honor and power; for You(Father) created all things, and by Your(Father) will they exist and were created."
Mark 10:6
6 "But from the beginning of the creation, God(Father) 'made them male and female.'
Rom 1:20
20 For since the creation of the world His(Father) invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His(Father) eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse,
Rev 3:14
14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, 'These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness(Jesus), the Beginning of the creation of God(Father):
Col 1:15
15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(Father), the firstborn over all creation.
John 5:37-40
37 "And the Father Himself, who sent Me(Jesus), has testified of Me(Jesus). You have neither heard His(Father) voice at any time, nor seen His (Father) form.
38 "But you do not have His(Father) word abiding in you, because whom He(Father) sent, Him(Jesus) you do not believe.
39 "You search the Scriptures, for in them you think you have eternal life; and these are they which testify of Me(Jesus).
40 "But you are not willing to come to Me(Jesus) that you may have life.
Rom 11:32-36
32 For God(Father)has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all.
33 Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God(Father)! How unsearchable are His(Father) judgments and His(Father) ways past finding out!
34 "For who has known the mind of the Lord(Jesus)? Or who has become His(Jesus) counselor?"
35 "Or who has first given to Him(Jesus) and it shall be repaid to him?"
36 For of Him(Father) and through Him(Jesus) and to Him(Father) are all things, to whom be glory forever. Amen.
(NKJ)
THROUGH CHRIST---REASON FOR WAS CHRIST
xxxThe deffinition of through- is reason for. So God created everything through or for the reason of Jesus. God created everything for Jesus sake.
Heb 1:1-6
1 God(Father), who at various times and in various ways spoke in time past to the fathers by the prophets,
2 has in these last days spoken to us by His(Father) Son(Jesus), whom He(Father) has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He(Father) made the worlds;
3 who being the brightness of His(Father) glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His(Father) power, when He(Jesus) had by Himself(Jesus) purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty(Father) on high,
4 having become so much better than the angels, as He(Jesus) has by inheritance obtained a more excellent name than they.
5 For to which of the angels did He(Father) ever say: "You(Jesus) are My(Father) Son(Jesus), today I(Father) have begotten You(Jesus)"? And again: "I will be to Him a Father, and He(Jesus) shall be to Me(Father) a Son"?
6 But when He(Father) again brings the firstborn(Jesus) into the world, He(Father) says: "Let all the angels of God(Father) worship Him(Jesus)."
2 Cor 3:4
4 And we have such trust through Christ toward God(Father).
Gal 4:7
7 Therefore you are no longer a slave but a son, and if a son, then an heir of God(Father) through Christ(Jesus).
Phil 4:7
7 and the peace of God(Father), which surpasses all understanding, will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus.
Phil 4:13
13 I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.
John 1:17
17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
Rom 1:8
8 First, I thank my God(Father) through Jesus Christ for you all, that your faith is spoken of throughout the whole world.
Rom 5:21
21 so that as sin reigned in death, even so grace might reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
2 Cor 5:18-19
18 Now all things are of God(Father), who has reconciled us to Himself(Father) through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation,
19 that is, that God(Father) was in Christ(Jesus) reconciling the world to Himself(Father), not imputing their trespasses to them, and has committed to us the word of reconciliation.
(NKJ)
xxx God the Father done all the creating. God the Father sent His Son Jesus to pay for our sins. And to be an example of how to worship God the Father in the right Spirit. God created Jesus first before anything else. Then God had someone to love. God had someone to give to, but Jesus didnt have anyone that He could give to. So God created everything else through Jesus or for Jesus. The heavens and the earth were created for Jesus. Now to purchase them Jesus had to die on the cross. We all have to prove ourselves to God. Jesus proved Himself, and made the way that we can prove ourselves.
GOD EVEN CREATED JESUS
John 17:5
5 "And now, O Father, glorify Me(Jesus) together with Yourself(Father), with the glory which I(Jesus) had with You(Father) before the world was.
Col 1:15
15 He(Jesus) is the image of the invisible God(Father), the firstborn over all creation.
Rev 3:14
14 "And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write, 'These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness(Jesus), the Beginning of the creation of God(Father):
(NKJ)
Eph 1:3-4
3 Blessed be the God(Father) and Father(Father) of our Lord(Jesus) Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as he hath chosen us(Christians) in him(Jesus) before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him(Jesus) in love:
(KJV)
　

 

[Squeaky]

• You say that the Holy Spirit talks to you directly through the KJV and the NKJV versions of the Bible.....
• Here is what they say about John 1-4

1.(KJV ). ....In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
2. ( NKJV)..... In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made. 4 In Him was life, and the life was the light of men.

• Both these versions say Him and He and not it! They both agree that He is a male, not a female.
• You say theses versions talk to you directly but you refuse to listen!
• You're such a fake and to not be listened to!!!!

I said
The KJV was taken from all these versions. The 1611 KJV was the one who added "He" in place of "IT". The He was added to give the Word authority. God is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". The Holy Spirit is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". He is a Spiritual title of authority. And the KJV wanted to give the Word(verses) the same title of authority. It was never meant to say that Jesus is the Word. The Word came through Jesus. And the Word can control flesh or become flesh.
Tyndale 1534:
Joh 1:1 In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God. 2 The same was in the beginnynge with God. 3 All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made. 4 In it was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men
Bishops 1568:
Joh 1:1 In the begynnyng was the worde, & the worde was with God: and that worde was God. 2 The same was in the begynnyng with God. 3 All thynges were made by it: and without it, was made nothyng that was made. 4 In it was lyfe, and the lyfe was the lyght of men,
Geneva 1587:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God. 2 This same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. 4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men.
And now our modern Concordant Literal Version:
Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word. " 2 This was in the beginning toward God. 3 All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being." 4 In it was life, and the life was the light of men."
Its easy to prove Jesus is not the Word of God. The Word came through Jesus from God.
John 1:17-18

 

[RJ]

I said
The KJV was taken from all these versions. The 1611 KJV was the one who added "He" in place of "IT". The He was added to give the Word authority. God is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". The Holy Spirit is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". He is a Spiritual title of authority. And the KJV wanted to give the Word(verses) the same title of authority. It was never meant to say that Jesus is the Word. The Word came through Jesus. And the Word can control flesh or become flesh.
Tyndale 1534:
Joh 1:1 In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God. 2 The same was in the beginnynge with God. 3 All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made. 4 In it was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men
Bishops 1568:
JJoh 1:1 n the begynnyng was the worde, & the worde was with God: and that worde was God. 2 The same was in the begynnyng with God. 3 All thynges were made by it: and without it, was made nothyng that was made. 4 In it was lyfe, and the lyfe was the lyght of men,
Geneva 1587:
JJoh 1:1 n the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God. 2 This same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. 4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men.
And now our modern Concordant Literal Version:
JJoh 1:1 n the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word. " 2 This was in the beginning toward God. 3 All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being." 4 In it was life, and the life was the light of men."
Its easy to prove Jesus is not the Word of God. The Word came through Jesus from God.
JJohn 1:17-18/QUOTE]

• So we are to believe that the writer''s of the KJV versions, are incorrect, that you are a prophet of the Holy Spirit, where by you are the inerrant word of God!?
• I stand by claim: you talk out both sides of your mouth, you are a Charlaton and a Fake.

 

[Travis]

I said
I don't know what do you think. I never did see the He as Jesus. I always seen it as authority. God the Holy Spirit and Jesus are all capitol H when referring to one of them. I always seen the He as authority . Gods Word carrying the same high authority as God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Well, I think the αὐτοῦ (Genitive Singular Masculine) in John 1:3 are obviously referring to the λόγος (Word) which is a masculine noun. Whether we translate this as "it" or "he" is kind of a mute point. But, I personally believe that the λόγος (Word) is Jesus Christ, the man (yet still 100% God), and so translating the αὐτοῦ as he is fine with me. Greek grammar alone doesn't tell us which it should be, it's our understanding of the text as a whole and the full council of God that tells us who the Word is.

I believe Jesus Christ is the λόγος/Word. I don't believe that one can truly be a disciple of Jesus's if they do not acknowledge that Jesus is equal with the Father, being eternal, and is also the λόγος/Word. I think these are essential beliefs for a follower of Christ.

But I believe that even like the Laodiceans in the book of Revelation, Jesus still seeks after those who believe they are worshipping God when in fact they are not. There is hope. I think there is hope for all those out there who do not really know God but are still breathing this air we all share. If I were you, I would forsake all this strange doctrine and ask Jesus Christ, as God, to take you into his fold and teach you the truth about the Truth (Jesus).

Thats what I think.

Travis

 

[Squeaky]

I said
The KJV was taken from all these versions. The 1611 KJV was the one who added "He" in place of "IT". The He was added to give the Word authority. God is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". The Holy Spirit is neither male nor female and we call Him a "He". He is a Spiritual title of authority. And the KJV wanted to give the Word(verses) the same title of authority. It was never meant to say that Jesus is the Word. The Word came through Jesus. And the Word can control flesh or become flesh.
Tyndale 1534:
Joh 1:1 In the beginnynge was the worde and the worde was with God: and the worde was God. 2 The same was in the beginnynge with God. 3 All thinges were made by it and with out it was made nothinge that was made. 4 In it was lyfe and the lyfe was ye lyght of men
Bishops 1568:
JJoh 1:1 n the begynnyng was the worde, & the worde was with God: and that worde was God. 2 The same was in the begynnyng with God. 3 All thynges were made by it: and without it, was made nothyng that was made. 4 In it was lyfe, and the lyfe was the lyght of men,
Geneva 1587:
JJoh 1:1 n the beginning was that Word, and that Word was with God, and that Word was God. 2 This same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by it, and without it was made nothing that was made. 4 In it was life, and that life was the light of men.
And now our modern Concordant Literal Version:
JJoh 1:1 n the beginning was the word, and the word was toward God, and God was the word. " 2 This was in the beginning toward God. 3 All came into being through it, and apart from it not even one thing came into being which has come into being." 4 In it was life, and the life was the light of men."
Its easy to prove Jesus is not the Word of God. The Word came through Jesus from God.
JJohn 1:17-18/QUOTE]

• So we are to believe that the writer''s of the KJV versions, are incorrect, that you are a prophet of the Holy Spirit, where by you are the inerrant word of God!?
• I stand by claim: you talk out both sides of your mouth, you are a Charlaton and a Fake.

I said
All I can do is warn you. That bitter envy will destroy you.

 

[Squeaky]

Well, I think the αὐτοῦ (Genitive Singular Masculine) in John 1:3 are obviously referring to the λόγος (Word) which is a masculine noun. Whether we translate this as "it" or "he" is kind of a mute point. But, I personally believe that the λόγος (Word) is Jesus Christ, the man (yet still 100% God), and so translating the αὐτοῦ as he is fine with me. Greek grammar alone doesn't tell us which it should be, it's our understanding of the text as a whole and the full council of God that tells us who the Word is.

I believe Jesus Christ is the λόγος/Word. I don't believe that one can truly be a disciple of Jesus's if they do not acknowledge that Jesus is equal with the Father, being eternal, and is also the λόγος/Word. I think these are essential beliefs for a follower of Christ.

But I believe that even like the Laodiceans in the book of Revelation, Jesus still seeks after those who believe they are worshipping God when in fact they are not. There is hope. I think there is hope for all those out there who do not really know God but are still breathing this air we all share. If I were you, I would forsake all this strange doctrine and ask Jesus Christ, as God, to take you into his fold and teach you the truth about the Truth (Jesus).

Thats what I think.

Travis

I said
Well your telling me what you think. And I'm telling you what I think. As long as it is done peacefully I see no problem. That is what conversations are for

 

[Travis]

I said
Well your telling me what you think. And I'm telling you what I think. As long as it is done peacefully I see no problem. That is what conversations are for

Yes, it is good to have peaceful conversations. But we are talking about something with high stakes, concerning matters which are eternal.

Saying that Jesus is not God is a big deal. Not just because you say it, but because you truly believe that. I'm concerned for the future of your soul. We both know that the gate is small and the way narrow that leads to salvation. We need to get things right in order to enter into the small gate. Jesus is pretty picky about who he lets through.

If Jesus is God (which I believe he is), and you deny that reality, Jesus is not going to let you through the small gate if you do not acknowledge the fact that he is God.

We must worship the Father in spirit and in truth. If we are not worshipping him in truth, then we are not worshipping him in spirit either. The two are inseparable.

Travis