The Love Many Shall Wax Cold

[Bill]

You’re conforming to the Catholic-type arguments whether you like it or not. Retaining food laws, sabbaths, and ordinances is the same error that Rome did, hanging on to shadows and man-made traditions rather than the finished work of Christ. Scripture declares that Jesus “abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances” (Eph. 2: 15) and those things were nailed to His cross (Col. 2:14). God Himself refers to them as shadows but Christ is the substance (Col. 2:16–17).

I don’t take what you said as truth, because truth doesn’t come from your opinion or Brother Tan’s interpretation. Truth comes from the Word of God. The Word of God is very clear, those ordinances were a temporary measure, were fulfilled in Christ and to bring believers back under them is unbiblical.

Nothing to do with "the catholic ways. What was written in scripture happened before the "catholic ways". However, the catholic ways follow the scripture.

Show me where the catholic way is against scripture, and i will show you the scripture that confirms my faith.

 

[bdavidc]

Nothing to do with "the catholic ways. What was written in scripture happened before the "catholic ways". However, the catholic ways follow the scripture.

Show me where the catholic way is against scripture, and i will show you the scripture that confirms my faith.

You say Catholic ways “follow the Scripture,” but that is simply not true. The very system you are echoing contradicts God’s Word at every turn. The Bible says salvation is by grace through faith alone, not of works (Ephesians 2:8–9). Catholicism teaches salvation through faith plus works, sacraments, and submission to its authority. That is another gospel, and Paul said, “let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:8–9).

Scripture says Christ offered “one sacrifice for sins forever” and then sat down (Hebrews 10:12). Rome teaches the Mass is a continual re-sacrifice of Christ. That denies the finality of the cross.

The Bible says there is “one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5). Rome adds Mary, saints, and priests as mediators. That is against Scripture.

The Word of God says, “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image… thou shalt not bow down thyself to them” (Exodus 20:4–5). Rome sanctions bowing before statues and venerating relics. That is directly against God’s command.

So don’t say Catholic ways follow Scripture. They openly add to it, twist it, and replace Christ’s finished work with traditions of men. Jesus Himself said, “In vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” (Mark 7:7).

You can try to defend a man-made system, but you cannot make the Bible bow to it. The Word of God exposes it for what it is.

 

[Bill]

You say Catholic ways “follow the Scripture,” but that is simply not true. The very system you are echoing contradicts God’s Word at every turn. The Bible says salvation is by grace through faith alone, not of works (Ephesians 2:8–9). Catholicism teaches salvation through faith plus works, sacraments, and submission to its authority. That is another gospel, and Paul said, “let him be accursed” (Galatians 1:8–9).

Scripture says Christ offered “one sacrifice for sins forever” and then sat down (Hebrews 10:12). Rome teaches the Mass is a continual re-sacrifice of Christ. That denies the finality of the cross.

The Bible says there is “one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus” (1 Timothy 2:5). Rome adds Mary, saints, and priests as mediators. That is against Scripture.

The Word of God says, “Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image… thou shalt not bow down thyself to them” (Exodus 20:4–5). Rome sanctions bowing before statues and venerating relics. That is directly against God’s command.

So don’t say Catholic ways follow Scripture. They openly add to it, twist it, and replace Christ’s finished work with traditions of men. Jesus Himself said, “In vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men” (Mark 7:7).

You can try to defend a man-made system, but you cannot make the Bible bow to it. The Word of God exposes it for what it is.

"The Bible says salvation is by grace through faith alone, not of works"

What does this verse mean to you?

 

[BroTan]

"The Bible says salvation is by grace through faith alone, not of works"

What does this verse mean to you?

That sound like Paul writing, God had Peter to clearly warn us about some of Paul’s writing. (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now let us take heed to this warning, we can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on a hand full of verses out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.

Paul talked about two different types of works, he talks about two different types of laws, which one keeping the Commandment of the God the other law is, the law of animal sacrificial laws. Roman Christianity teaches since Christ came we have Grace the laws been nailed to the Cross. But let's see what Paul is sayin here in (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.

(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

To sum up what going on here in Galatians, Paul is explaining that Christ came from Abraham seed, and remove the animal Sacrificial law. But in the days of Abraham that animal Sacrificial law never was on the table, and was not needed for Abraham to obey and have faith in God. But the Commandments was always on the table.

Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)


(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law.

How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.

(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster. (Paul breaks down more of this law in Hebrew 10th Chapter)

And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law.

Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. So when you quoted all the places in the Bible that do away with this animal sacrificial law, not understanding that Paul talks about two sets of law. The Royal law (Ten Commandments) and the animal sacrificial law sometimes in the same verse you bring can bring destruction to yourself not knowing which law is which.

 

[Bill]

That sound like Paul writing, God had Peter to clearly warn us about some of Paul’s writing. (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now let us take heed to this warning, we can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on a hand full of verses out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.

Paul talked about two different types of works, he talks about two different types of laws, which one keeping the Commandment of the God the other law is, the law of animal sacrificial laws. Roman Christianity teaches since Christ came we have Grace the laws been nailed to the Cross. But let's see what Paul is sayin here in (Gal. 3:1, 13, 16-17, 19, 24) (v.1) O FOOLISH Ga-la’-tians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? (v.13) Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, CURSED IS EVERYONE THAT HANGETH ON A TREE: What law is this talking about? Let the bible speak for itself.

(v.16) Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, and to seeds, as of many; but as of One, AND TO THY SEED, which is Christ. (v.17) And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

To sum up what going on here in Galatians, Paul is explaining that Christ came from Abraham seed, and remove the animal Sacrificial law. But in the days of Abraham that animal Sacrificial law never was on the table, and was not needed for Abraham to obey and have faith in God. But the Commandments was always on the table.

Now pay attention, the law that is being spoken of here came four hundred and thirty years after this covenant. But God’s holy commandments have been around forever even before man was created. Remember that Satan was kicked out of heaven because iniquity (sin) was found in him. And what is sin? The transgression of the law (commandments). Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. Now we have just read the biblical definition of sin, the transgression (breaking) of the law (commandments.) It doesn’t matter what you or I think sin is, it’s what God says sin is that counts. (1John 3:4)


(v.19) Wherefore then serveth the law? A question is being asked here. Then why should we serve this law? It was added because of transgression, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; the law that we are talking about here was added because of sin. But we now know that sin is the transgression of the law.

How do you add a law if sin is the transgression of the law? Because there are two sets of laws, you have God’s holy commandments which abided forever, and you had the animal sacrificial law which was added because of sin, but it was only good until the seed should come to whom the promise was made, and that seed was Jesus.

(v.24) Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. This animal sacrificial law was only a schoolmaster. (Paul breaks down more of this law in Hebrew 10th Chapter)

And this schoolmaster taught you that when you sinned in ignorance blood had to be shed (an animal sacrificed). But Christ being the ultimate sacrifice shed his precious blood once and for all, and by doing this putting an end to the animal sacrificial law.

Paul says in Romans 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law. So when you quoted all the places in the Bible that do away with this animal sacrificial law, not understanding that Paul talks about two sets of law. The Royal law (Ten Commandments) and the animal sacrificial law sometimes in the same verse you bring can bring destruction to yourself not knowing which law is which.

Oh my God you're going to sit there and tell us that Paul is wrong?

What kind of Christian are you LOL that's nuts

 

[BroTan]

Oh my God you're going to sit there and tell us that Paul is wrong?

What kind of Christian are you LOL that's nuts

My post says nothing about Paul is wrong, it's people who don't understand Paul's writing is what I started with. Peter wrote that. Stop looking for fault and pay attention to what you reading please. Paul talks about two different laws in one chapter sometimes in one verse and people can understand it. Peter clearly warn us about some of Paul’s writing in (2Peter:3:15-16) (v.15) And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you; (v.16) As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction. Now let us take heed to this warning, we can’t ignore all the bible and just concentrate on a hand full of verses out of the writings of Paul. Because some of Paul’s writing is hard to be understood.