The Law of God, is it dead or alive or on life support?

[RJ]

But when Herod's birthday was kept, the daughter of Herodias danced before them, and pleased Herod. Mt.14:6

Herod had a b-day party and his step daughter danced at it. Now what?

Sorry, Mia Cuppas!....that verse that goes back to our original coversation wa John 14:6....what you say?

 

[Cosmicwaffle]

I agree.


Well, Jesus condemned the one who deceive children, not the children themselves:

It were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should offend one of these little ones. Lk.17:2



Yes I believe God takes a knowledge of understanding into account.

I meant people who could have no knowledge of Jesus. Of course anyone who truly wants to know God will be drawn to Jesus.

It's the same context. Jesus said forgive and you'll be forgiven. Let's not start mincing God's words like the Rabbis did...ok?

The point is, if someone, even a child, has the ability to sin, and does, they are worthy of hell without excuse.

Even if someone has no knowledge of Jesus himself, they can still sin, and they will be sent to hell for it.

I was not mincing God's words. Where in this scripture does it say those who are merciful will have their sins forgiven? It says they will receive mercy, the details of that, I do not know.

We can't just say that anyone who is merciful will be in heaven, because then we wouldn't need Jesus.

 

[RJ]

Paul wrote it.

• Yes I know. Jesus lived a sinless life and therefore death couldn't hold Him. If Jesus "paid the price" (death) for sinners, he would not have able to rise from the dead.

Jeez...your impossible, please stay on task here....what does any of this have to do with the subject of the veil?
Again, please address this: You wish to talk scripture and talk "Veil"...lets talk veil!....Matthew 27:50-51 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;.....of course you knowing God as well as you boast, you also must know his word as well! Here the veil (curtain)...the veil that separated man from God and the "Holly of Hollies", during the Old Covenant, was torn open for ever because under the New Covenant , God no longer was behind a veil in a man made temple but he resides in the heart of the believer, the one who accepts and recieve Jesus! What do these verses say to you?

 

[pekoe]

Sorry, Mia Cuppas!....that verse that goes back to our original coversation wa John 14:6....what you say?

I've already explained this, but here it is again.

Jesus tells us He's going to prepare a place for us and that we know how to get there. Thomas says they don't know where Jesus is going or how to get there. Jesus says He's the way. If you look at the rest of the chapter, "the way" is:

1) God is in Jesus and Jesus is in God. Vss.7,9,10

2) A person who obeys Jesus/God loves Jesus/God vss.15,21,23.

3) Those who love God/Jesus will receive in themselves God/Jesus in the form of the Spirit (Jesus and God.). Vss.16,21,23

 

[pekoe]

U

Jeez...

I'm sure you're unaware of this, but "jeez" is a euphemism for "Jesus"...so watch your mouth.

....your impossible, please stay on task here....what does any of this have to do with the subject of the veil?

You said the reason Moses wore a veil because his face glowed a d the Israelites were afraid of him. That's the surface understanding. Paul also said Moses was preaching Jesus to them through that veil , but they didn't understand him. We know they didn't get understand because their hearts were hardened. If they would have repented, the veil would have been lifted.

Again, please address this: You wish to talk scripture and talk "Veil"...lets talk veil!....Mt.27:50-51Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;.....of course you knowing God as well as you boast, you also must know his word as well! Here the veil (curtain)...the veil that separated man from God and the "Holly of Hollies", during the Old Covenant, was torn open for ever because under the New Covenant , God no longer was behind a veil in a man made temple but he resides in the heart of the believer, the one who accepts and recieve Jesus! What do these verses say to you?

I answered this already also. Sinless Jesus rose from the dead and cleanses that temple which was defiled in Heaven by sinning angels. On earth believers will be that temple, which Christ also cleanses through the sacrifice of His life (blood).

The veil was Jesus flesh (He.10:20). The rending of His flesh allowed what was behind the veil to be released into the lives of His followers after He consecrated the Holy of Hollies in Heaven with His blood (He.9:7-8).

What's your point?

 

[pekoe]

The point is, if someone, even a child, has the ability to sin, and does, they are worthy of hell without excuse.

Well brother as Ive said before, you are free to believe God will send a child to eternal torment for knowing it wrong to steal a comic book and doing it. I know God is far more merciful than that.

Even if someone has no knowledge of Jesus himself, they can still sin, and they will be sent to hell for it.

But they can't repent, right? According to Christianity as it is taught today, God created the vast majority of humans knowing they would never hear of Jesus and so they would all be damned. I'll tell you something my friend. You better take a good hard look for yourself at what the Bible actually says about God, instead of relying on hundreds of years of Christian dogma invented by people who may have known very little about Him.

I was not mincing God's words. Where in this scripture does it say those who are merciful will have their sins forgiven? It says they will receive mercy, the details of that, I do not know.

You know what? You're right! Let's just take every sentence in the Bible and separate it from every other scripture. In fact, the Bible as originally written contained no punctuation, so lets take every word of the Bible and separate it from every other word in the Bible. How silly do you want to get with the word of God?

Don't worry about sowing mercy in this life my friend.because you can sow judgement to your fellow man and still expect mercy from Jesus. And if you believe that, go plant an apple seed and expect an orange tree.

We can't just say that anyone who is merciful will be in heaven, because then we wouldn't need Jesus.

If Jesus didn't show mercy to us, Jesus wouldn't have been able to help us. You're not really hearing what I'm saying to you. "Needing Jesus" is needing what Jesus was all about.

 

[Cosmicwaffle]

God is just. Will he let sin into his kingdom? If a kid steals, knowing full well God hates stealing, what should God do? Does he not punish sin? Does he let sinners do what they please? No, he punishes sin, and also gives mercy to those who have faith in the one he punished for them, Jesus Christ.

Your God might think a kid stealing a comic book while knowing it was wrong is okay, but my God punishes any hint of evil. On judgement day we will see how God deals with these so called "Menial" sins, as if such a thing could exist.

You are judging righteousness by human standards. If one sins, they deserve a sinners death and punishment. That is how serious God is about Good and Evil!!! If one does Evil, they are Evil, period!

Don't you see now why his mercy is so great? That he would send his son in place of us? Mere rebels?

There are two types of people in this world: Vessels of Mercy and vessels of Wrath; Children of God and children of Adam.

You either have Christ or you don't! God doesn't let sin slide into his kingdom unpunished. That punishment either falls on you, or Christ.

And to say a kid stealing a comic book knowing it is evil is no big deal is to say sin is no big deal.

Sorry if this upsets you. I'm simply arguing for what I believe is the truth.

 

[RJ]

I've already explained this, but here it is again.

Jesus tells us He's going to prepare a place for us and that we know how to get there. Thomas says they don't know where Jesus is going or how to get there. Jesus says He's the way. If you look at the rest of the chapter, "the way" is:

1) God is in Jesus and Jesus is in God. Vss.7,9,10

2) A person who obeys Jesus/God loves Jesus/God vss.15,21,23.

3) Those who love God/Jesus will receive in themselves God/Jesus in the form of the Spirit (Jesus and God.). Vss.16,21,23

• 3) Those who love God/Jesus will receive in themselves God/Jesus in the form of the Spirit (Jesus and God.). Vss.16,21,23[/QUOTE]
  So, You agree that Jesus is the only way to heaven by way of knowing him and having him in your heart which is a prerequiste for salvation. And also, therefore, you were wrong wrong when you said that you do not have to know Jesus to be saved!

 

[RJ]

U
I'm sure you're unaware of this, but "jeez" is a euphemism for "Jesus"...so watch your mouth.

• "Watch My Mouth" ...really! My mouth is just fine thank you! You are only preceeded by your arrogance!
• jeez

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• a mild expression used to show surprise or annoyance.
  
  
  You said the reason Moses wore a veil because his face glowed a d the Israelites were afraid of him. That's the surface understanding. Paul also said Moses was preaching Jesus to them through that veil , but they didn't understand him. We know they didn't get understand because their hearts were hardened. If they would have repented, the veil would have been lifted.
  • Provide scripture please
  
  I answered this already also. Sinless Jesus rose from the dead and cleanses that temple which was defiled in Heaven by sinning angels. On earth believers will be that temple, which Christ also cleanses through the sacrifice of His life (blood).
  • You are so wrong, please provide scripture for the rising of Jesus to clean the Temple.
  • God no longer resided in the Temple, so Jesus doing this is absurd.
  • The tearing of the vei, God leaving the Temple and the end of Temple worship was instantaneous: Matthew 27:51
  • Please in the future, when you make a stance, follow the forum rules and provide scripture!
  
  The veil was Jesus flesh (He.10:20). The rending of His flesh allowed what was behind the veil to be released into the lives of His followers after He consecrated the Holy of Hollies in Heaven with His blood (He.9:7-8).
  • No, rend is to wrench or violently tear a part. The physical veil (curtain) was torn from top to bottom in the Temple signifying that God left the Temple, it has nothing to do with the tearing of jesus flesh...really......I dont see what any of this has to do with your original stance that you do not have to know Jesus to be saved?
  What's your point?

• • Your original point that you do not have to know Jesus to be saved is wrong and my point is that you do not know the truth. You have to accept Jesus to recieve him, you have to recieve him to be saved and none of this is possible if you do not know him personally. Their are plenty of orthodox Jews that know of Jesus but the will die not knowing Jesus and will not be saved.
  
  
  
  
  

 

[Squeaky]

LAW OF CHRIST
John 14:6
6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me.
JOH 15-10 If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Fathers commandments and abide in His love.
John 6:63
63 "It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing. The words that I speak to you are spirit, and they are life.
John 14:1
1 "Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me.
Luke 6:37-38
37 "Judge not, and you shall not be judged. Condemn not, and you shall not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven.
38 "Give, and it will be given to you: good measure, pressed down, shaken together, and running over will be put into your bosom. For with the same measure that you use, it will be measured back to you."
John 3:17-19
17 "For God did not send His Son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through Him might be saved.
18 "He who believes in Him is not condemned; but he who does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
19 "And this is the condemnation, that the light has come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.
John 10:7-8
7 Then Jesus said to them again, "Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.
8 "All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.
Heb 8:13
13 In that He says, "A new covenant," He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.
Heb 9:1
1 Then indeed, even the first covenant had ordinances of divine service and the earthly sanctuary.
Gal 6:2
2 Bear one another's burdens, and so fulfill the law of Christ.
Eph 4:32
32 And be kind to one another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another, just as God in Christ forgave you.
Col 3:13
13 bearing with one another, and forgiving one another, if anyone has a complaint against another; even as Christ forgave you, so you also must do.
Matt 6:14-15
14 "For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
15 "But if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.
1 Cor 6:6-8
6 But brother goes to law against brother, and that before unbelievers!
7 Now therefore, it is already an utter failure for you that you go to law against one another. Why do you not rather accept wrong? Why do you not rather let yourselves be cheated?
8 No, you yourselves do wrong and cheat, and you do these things to your brethren!
1 Pet 2:19-21
19 For this is commendable, if because of conscience toward God one endures grief, suffering wrongfully.
20 For what credit is it if, when you are beaten for your faults, you take it patiently? But when you do good and suffer, if you take it patiently, this is commendable before God.
21 For to this you were called, because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that you should follow His steps:
James 2:12
12 So speak and so do as those who will be judged by the law of liberty.
Rom 2:12-13
12 For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law
13 (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified;
John 15:14
14 "You are My friends if you do whatever I command you.
Matt 5:19
19 "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 10:16-19
16 "Behold, I send you out as sheep in the midst of wolves. Therefore be wise as serpents and harmless as doves.
17 "But beware of men, for they will deliver you up to councils and scourge you in their synagogues.
18 "You will be brought before governors and kings for My sake, as a testimony to them and to the Gentiles.
19 "But when they deliver you up, do not worry about how or what you should speak. For it will be given to you in that hour what you should speak;
John 14:15-17
15 "If you love Me, keep My commandments.
16 "And I will pray the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may abide with you forever--
17 "the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
John 14:23-25
23 Jesus answered and said to him, "If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.
24 "He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father's who sent Me.
25 "These things I have spoken to you while being present with you.
John 15:10-12
10 "If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father's commandments and abide in His love.
11 "These things I have spoken to you, that My joy may remain in you, and that your joy may be full.
12 "This is My commandment, that you love one another as I have loved you.
1 Cor 4:6
6 Now these things, brethren, I have figuratively transferred to myself and Apollos for your sakes, that you may learn in us not to think beyond what is written, that none of you may be puffed up on behalf of one against the other.
(NKJ)
XXX The old testament law of sin and death is still in effect. For the world. The law of Christ overrides the old testament law of sin and death.
　
1 Cor 9:21
21 to those who are without law, as without law (not being without law toward God, but under law toward Christ), that I might win those who are without law;
(NKJ)
Matt 5:19-20
19 "Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20 "For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.
(NKJ)
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　
　

 

[pekoe]

God is just.

Here's the whole problem with the Christian faith as we were taught it:

"But know ye for certain, that if ye put me to death, ye shall surely bring innocent blood upon yourselves, and upon this city, and upon the inhabitants thereof: for of a truth the LORD hath sent me unto you to speak all these words in your ears." Jer.26:15

Do you know how much God despises the shedding of innocent blood?

"Keep thee far from a false matter; and the innocent and righteous slay thou not: for I will not justify the wicked. " Ex.23:7

Do you understand God is commanding that His Son should not be harmed? That was not God's will for His innocent Son to be murdered? Christian theologians have twisted the scriptures into something God never intended.

Will he let sin into his kingdom? If a kid steals, knowing full well God hates stealing, what should God do? Does he not punish sin? Does he let sinners do what they please?

No. God is long suffering and corrects wrong doing:

"Love is patient and kind..." 1 Co.13:4

God loves people and has put this understanding within humans so we might know a little about the kind of love He has for us:

"Like as a father pitieth his children, so the LORD pitieth them that fear him." Ps.103:13

No, he punishes sin....,

No, according to Christian doctrine, God punished the Innocent.

...and also gives mercy to those who have faith in the one he punished for them, Jesus Christ.

Not true. God shows mercy to those who repent by reason of His Son:

"He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked." 1 Jn.2:6

God sent His Son here so we would repent:

"From that time Jesus began to preach, and to say, Repent: for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Mk.4:17

Your God might think a kid stealing a comic book while knowing it was wrong is okay, but my God punishes any hint of evil. On judgement day we will see how God deals with these so called "Menial" sins, as if such a thing could exist.
You are judging righteousness by human standards. If one sins, they deserve a sinners death and punishment. That is how serious God is about Good and Evil!!! If one does Evil, they are Evil, period!

My God judges in righteousness and saying a child who steals a comic book is totally evil and deserves hell is baloney. Complete depravity is something people can degenerate into, but it isn't how people are born.

Don't you see now why his mercy is so great? That he would send his son in place of us? Mere rebels?

No. I see God sending His Son for the purpose of teaching us about what is acceptable to God, just like God sent the prophets to Israel so they would repent:

"

And the LORD hath sent unto you all his servants the prophets, rising early and sending them; but ye have not hearkened, nor inclined your ear to hear." Jer.25:4

"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;" He.1:1-2

People perished for rejecting God's prophets by not repenting. Jesus is greater than any prophet:

"The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon is here." Mt.12:42

There are two types of people in this world: Vessels of Mercy and vessels of Wrath; Children of God and children of Adam.

You either have Christ or you don't! God doesn't let sin slide into his kingdom unpunished. That punishment either falls on you, or Christ.
And to say a kid stealing a comic book knowing it is evil is no big deal is to say sin is no big deal.
Sorry if this upsets you. I'm simply arguing for what I believe is the truth.

What upsets me is not realizing how one becomes a vessel of Mercy through Jesus:

"If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work." 2 Ti.2:21

"Who will render to every man according to his deeds: To them who by patient continuance in well doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, eternal life:" Ro.2:6-7

This is the true gospel. The idea that God punished Jesus is not.

 

[Cosmicwaffle]

pekoe, you simply don't understand what Jesus did.

Have you never read Isaiah 53?

Isaiah 53:4-10
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,and though the Lord makeshis life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.



God put Jesus in our place, he became sin for us, the one who knew no sin!

2 Corinthians 5:21
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Romans 4:25
He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.



How have these crucial teachings escaped you?

 

[pekoe]

pekoe, you simply don't understand what Jesus did.

Have you never read Isaiah 53?

Isaiah 53:4-10
4 Surely he took up our pain
and bore our suffering,
yet we considered him punished by God,stricken by him, and afflicted.
5 But he was pierced for our transgressions,
he was crushed for our iniquities;
the punishment that brought us peace was on him,
and by his wounds we are healed.
6 We all, like sheep, have gone astray,
each of us has turned to our own way;
and the Lord has laid on him
the iniquity of us all.

7 He was oppressed and afflicted,
yet he did not open his mouth;
he was led like a lamb to the slaughter,
and as a sheep before its shearers is silent,
so he did not open his mouth.
8 By oppression and judgment he was taken away.
Yet who of his generation protested?
For he was cut off from the land of the living;
for the transgression of my people he was punished.
9 He was assigned a grave with the wicked,
and with the rich in his death,
though he had done no violence,
nor was any deceit in his mouth.

10 Yet it was the Lord’s will to crush him and cause him to suffer,and though the Lord makeshis life an offering for sin,
he will see his offspring and prolong his days,
and the will of the Lord will prosper in his hand.



God put Jesus in our place, he became sin for us, the one who knew no sin!

2 Corinthians 5:21
God made him who had no sin to be sin for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Romans 4:25
He was delivered over to death for our sins and was raised to life for our justification.

1 Peter 3:18
For Christ also suffered once for sins, the righteous for the unrighteous, to bring you to God. He was put to death in the body but made alive in the Spirit.



How have these crucial teachings escaped you?

They havent "escaped" me. Here's the problem my friend. You don't examine what I post. I'm posting clear cut scripture that disagrees with Christian doctrine as we were taught it. Now, instead of examining these inconsistencies, you simply keep quoting what has been drilled into you. Every scripture you've cited in this post I've answered logically so that all scripture makes sense. If you can't look at scripture that confounds what you were always taught, then continue to ignore it. Just pretend it doesn't exist....ok?

 

[Cosmicwaffle]

They havent "escaped" me. Here's the problem my friend. You don't examine what I post. I'm posting clear cut scripture that disagrees with Christian doctrine as we were taught it. Now, instead of examining these inconsistencies, you simply keep quoting what has been drilled into you. Every scripture you've cited in this post I've answered logically so that all scripture makes sense. If you can't look at scripture that confounds what you were always taught, then continue to ignore it. Just pretend it doesn't exist....ok?

Yet you reject the clear truthes of scripture about our salvation. Are we saved by repentance or Christ's suffering on our behalf? I just quoted Isaiah 53. It's pretty clear from that text that he took our sin on himself. That is how we are saved and made clean before God, not just being sorry for sin and/or abstaining from it.

Sin requires punishment, and Christ took ours and made us children of God. Do you agree or disagree?

 

[Cosmicwaffle]

And yes pekoe, God is kind and longsuffering. But let's not forget about judgement day! God may not punish the wicked now, but believe scripture, the day is coming!

 

[pekoe]

Yet you reject the clear truthes of scripture about our salvation.

No my friend. I'm rejecting what most people interpret the scriptures to mean. Since you disagree, make Ezekiel 18 jive with Isaiah 53. If you can't do this....do you hear me?....If you can't do this, you have a problem, because God doesn't change. There is an answer that harmonizes all scripture, but if you cannot open yiur mind to how you were indoctrinated to believe the gospel, you will never find it.

Are we saved by repentance or Christ's suffering on our behalf?

You cant separate the two. He suffered so that we would repent.

"... except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." Lk.13:3

I just quoted Isaiah 53. It's pretty clear from that text that he took our sin on himself. That is how we are saved and made clean before God, not just being sorry for sin and/or abstaining from it.

I keep explaining Is.53 in its proper context. He suffered because of our sins, not for them.

Can you see the difference? Jesus suffered because He showed us about God. Thats all. Therefore He died for our sins. He didn't die for our sins because of sin transference. If because I'm a sinner, you came and taught me about God and His willingness to forgive my sins if I would repent, and you were killed because of it, I could say, "Cosmicwaffle died for my sins." Cosmic died because I'm a sinner. Do you understand?

Sin requires punishment, and Christ took ours and made us children of God. Do you agree or disagree?

[/QUOTE]I disagree, because God only punishes those who refuse to repent:

"He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed suddenly , and that without remedy."
Pr.29:1

 

[pekoe]

And yes pekoe, God is kind and longsuffering. But let's not forget about judgement day! God may not punish the wicked now, but believe scripture, the day is coming!

Yes I know and when day comes, explain Eze.33 to God:

 

[Ezra Allen]

Wow I go away for a minute and return to lots of reading. Got plenty more reading but I had a thought. Jesus did give us a Law. He gave us a commandment.

John 14:23 NIV Jesus replied, "Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

Matthew 28:19-20 NIV Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (20) and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age."

This very thing that he says is from OT. Remember the differences in language.

Ezekiel 34:4 CAB The weak one you have not strengthened, and the sick you have not cherished, and the bruised you have not bound up, and the stray one you have not turned back, and the lost you have not sought; and the strong you have wearied with labor.

Jesus as God wrote the book. He wrote

Ecclesiastes 7:14-15 HRB (14) In the good day, be in good spirit, but also see in the evil day, that The Elohim has made one along with the other, so that man should not find anything after him. (15) All things I have seen in the days of my vanity; there is a just man who perishes in his righteousness, and there is a wicked one who prolongs his life in his evil.

2 Timothy 4:2-3 NCV Preach the Good News. Be ready at all times, and tell people what they need to do. Tell them when they are wrong. Encourage them with great patience and careful teaching, (3) because the time will come when people will not listen to the true teaching but will find many more teachers who please them by saying the things they want to hear.

Ezekiel 34:3 CAB Behold, you feed on the milk, and clothe yourselves with the wool, and slay the fat, but you feed not My sheep.

Ezekiel 34:5-6 CAB And My sheep were scattered, because there were no shepherds: and they became meat to all the wild beasts of the field. (6) And My sheep were scattered on every mountain, and on every high hill; yea, they were scattered on the face of the earth, and there was none to seek them out, nor to bring them back.

Luke 11:23 VW He who is not with Me is against Me, and he who does not gather with Me scatters.

Matthew 7:20-23 NIV Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. (21) "Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. (22) Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?' (23) Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'

Revelation 14:10 NIV they, too, will drink the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. They will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb.

 

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The Apostles covered the 10 Commandments under love.

Rom.13
8] Owe no man any thing, but to love one another:
for he that loveth another hath fulfilled the law.
[9] For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery,
Thou shalt not kill,
Thou shalt not steal,
Thou shalt not bear false witness,
Thou shalt not covet
and if there be any other commandment,
it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely,
Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
[10] Love worketh no ill to his neighbour:
therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.