The last supper

[Keithw]

Jesus said--Keep on doing this in remembrance of me. It occurred on the night of the passover, that is when it should occur every year, once a year. No where in the bible does it say to do it over and over.
At Luke 22, explains the events of this special covenant made, at verses 29-30 it shows clearly a covenant made with the ones who will be on thrones beside Jesus in his kingdom-These-Rev 1:6, Rev 20:6) referred to as the little flock( Luke 12:32) These are the anointed, the bride of Christ=144,000 Rev 14:3)-- Only these are to partake of that special covenant, Only members of the little flock were present at the last supper. The remaining part of the flock=The great crowd ( Rev 7:9)of other sheep( John 10:16)-do not partake of those emblems because they are not the anointed part of the little flock. They should however out of great respect go and observe this covenant Jesus made. Few of the anointed are on earth today. I believe its a major sin to partake by the great crowd of other sheep. Luke 22 is clear on the matter.

 

[Waggles]

Matthew 26:27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you,
28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Mark 14:23 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, and they all drank of it.
24 And he said to them, “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

Luk 22:17 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he said, “Take this, and divide it among yourselves.
20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

1Cor 10:16 The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?
17 Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.

1Cor 11:23 For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread,
24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body, which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”
25 In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

1Cor 11:28 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. -- only once a year?? I think not.

 

[Keithw]

Matthew 26:27 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, saying, “Drink of it, all of you,
28 for this is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Mark 14:23 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he gave it to them, and they all drank of it.
24 And he said to them, “This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

Luk 22:17 And he took a cup, and when he had given thanks he said, “Take this, and divide it among yourselves.
20 And likewise the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup that is poured out for you is the new covenant in my blood.

1Cor 10:16 The cup of blessing that we bless, is it not a participation in the blood of Christ? The bread that we break, is it not a participation in the body of Christ?
17 Because there is one bread, we who are many are one body, for we all partake of the one bread.

1Cor 11:23 For I received from the Lord what I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus on the night when he was betrayed took bread,
24 and when he had given thanks, he broke it, and said, “This is my body, which is for you. Do this in remembrance of me.”
25 In the same way also he took the cup, after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in my blood. Do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of me.”
26 For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until he comes.

1Cor 11:28 Let a person examine himself, then, and so eat of the bread and drink of the cup. -- only once a year?? I think not.

The bible doesnt show any different than once a year. It occurred on passover for a reason.
Yes the new covenant as Luke 22:29-30 shows--only with the ones who will sit on thrones=144,000=the anointed=the bride of Christ.= The little flock( Luke 12:32) the teachers of darkness don't teach on the difference of the little flock and great crowd of other sheep because they have no understanding of it-thus tell all to partake of the emblems.

 

[Christ4Ever]

The bible doesnt show any different than once a year. It occurred on passover for a reason.
Yes the new covenant as Luke 22:29-30 shows--only with the ones who will sit on thrones=144,000=the anointed=the bride of Christ.= The little flock( Luke 12:32) the teachers of darkness don't teach on the difference of the little flock and great crowd of other sheep because they have no understanding of it-thus tell all to partake of the emblems.

Dear Kethw
The Bible doesn't say to do it only on passover.
The importance is what our Lord said. "Do this in remembrance of me."
Why are you remembering Him and do you only remember Him on passover?

You realize that Apostle's still didn't understand what the significance of Communion was when Jesus told them what He told them! They still didn't believe that His Sacrificial death was needed or would happen, much less that it was for atonement, and reconciliation! They still had much learning/understanding to undergo after that which they received after the Lord's resurrection.

Note: If darkness you seek to put at another's feet, I suggest you look to your own house first.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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[Keithw]

Dear Kethw
The Bible doesn't say to do it only on passover.
The importance is what our Lord said. "Do this in remembrance of me."
Why are you remembering Him and do you only remember Him on passover?

You realize that Apostle's still didn't understand what the significance of Communion was when Jesus told them what He told them! They still didn't believe that His Sacrificial death was needed or would happen, much less that it was for atonement, and reconciliation! They still had much learning/understanding to undergo after that which they received after the Lord's resurrection.

Note: If darkness you seek to put at another's feet, I suggest you look to your own house first.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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Luke 22:29-30 is clear a covenant made only to the ones who will sit on thrones=144,000-literal. So since 99% of all religions claiming to be christian are wrong telling all to partake, its surely realistic they are wrong about the whole event.

 

[B-A-C]

Luke 22:29-30 is clear a covenant made only to the ones who will sit on thrones=144,000-literal. So since 99% of all religions claiming to be christian are wrong telling all to partake, its surely realistic they are wrong about the whole event.

Luke 22:28; "You are those who have stood by Me in My trials;
Luke 22:29; and just as My Father has granted Me a kingdom, I grant you
Luke 22:30; that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Nothing about 144,000 here. Nothing even remotely close.

Matt 19:27; Then Peter said to Him, "Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?"
Matt 19:28; And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matt 19:29; "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name's sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life.

Rev 20:4; Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

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1Cor 1:1; Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
1Cor 1:2; To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

Who were the letters to the Corinthians written to? Jews or Gentiles? ... Gentiles. That doesn't mean the verses below are "only" for Gentiles, but it means they are included.

1Cor 11:23; For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread;
1Cor 11:24; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me."
1Cor 11:25; In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."
1Cor 11:26; For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes.
1Cor 11:27; Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.
1Cor 11:28; But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
1Cor 11:29; For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly.
1Cor 11:30; For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep.

 

[Keithw]

Luke 22:28; "You are those who have stood by Me in My trials;
Luke 22:29; and just as My Father has granted Me a kingdom, I grant you
Luke 22:30; that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

Nothing about 144,000 here. Nothing even remotely close.

Matt 19:27; Then Peter said to Him, "Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?"
Matt 19:28; And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matt 19:29; "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name's sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life.

Rev 20:4; Then I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was given to them. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded because of their testimony of Jesus and because of the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received the mark on their forehead and on their hand; and they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

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1Cor 1:1; Paul, called as an apostle of Jesus Christ by the will of God, and Sosthenes our brother,
1Cor 1:2; To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who have been sanctified in Christ Jesus, saints by calling, with all who in every place call on the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, their Lord and ours:

Who were the letters to the Corinthians written to? Jews or Gentiles? ... Gentiles. That doesn't mean the verses below are "only" for Gentiles, but it means they are included.

1Cor 11:23; For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you, that the Lord Jesus in the night in which He was betrayed took bread;
1Cor 11:24; and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "This is My body, which is for you; do this in remembrance of Me."
1Cor 11:25; In the same way He took the cup also after supper, saying, "This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me."
1Cor 11:26; For as often as you eat this bread and drink the cup, you proclaim the Lord's death until He comes.
1Cor 11:27; Therefore whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner, shall be guilty of the body and the blood of the Lord.
1Cor 11:28; But a man must examine himself, and in so doing he is to eat of the bread and drink of the cup.
1Cor 11:29; For he who eats and drinks, eats and drinks judgment to himself if he does not judge the body rightly.
1Cor 11:30; For this reason many among you are weak and sick, and a number sleep.

The 144,000 are the ones who will sit on thrones.-Rev 7:4--these are the ones sealed under that special covenant=the anointed.

 

[Waggles]

Romans 5:17 For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
18 Therefore, as one trespass led to condemnation for all men, so one act of righteousness leads to justification and life for all men.
19 For as by the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, so by the one man's obedience the many will be made righteous.

1John 2:1 My little children, I am writing these things to you so that you may not sin. But if anyone does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous.
2 He is the atonement for our sins, and not for ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.

 

[B-A-C]

The 144,000 are the ones who will sit on thrones.-Rev 7:4--these are the ones sealed under that special covenant=the anointed.

Rev 7:1; After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, so that no wind would blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree.
Rev 7:2; And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,
Rev 7:3; saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads."
Rev 7:4; And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
Rev 7:5; from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand,
Rev 7:6; from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand,
Rev 7:7; from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand,
Rev 7:8; from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.

Nothing about thrones in this entire passage.

Rev 7:9; After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and races and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;
Rev 7:10; and they cry out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."
Rev 7:11; And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures; and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,
Rev 7:12; saying, "Amen, blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be to our God forever and ever. Amen."
Rev 7:13; Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?"
Rev 7:14; I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15; "For this reason, they are before the throne of God; and they serve Him day and night in His temple; and He who sits on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them.

"After these things" - new subject here... There is a single throne mentioned in this second passage. The great multitude isn't the 144,000. First 144,00 is a number that can be counted. The great multitude could not be counted.
Second, the 144,000 are specifically Jews, 12,000 from each tribe. The great multitude is people from every nation and race, not just Jews.

 

[Christ4Ever]

The 144,000 are the ones who will sit on thrones.-Rev 7:4--these are the ones sealed under that special covenant=the anointed.

Luke 22:29-30 is clear a covenant made only to the ones who will sit on thrones=144,000-literal. So since 99% of all religions claiming to be christian are wrong telling all to partake, its surely realistic they are wrong about the whole event.

Dear Keithw,
Clearly you are fixated on the 144,000 for which I understand totally because I did study under the JW for 2 years in NYC where the Publishing House I visited was. That is why I mentioned to you to seek the darkness in your own house first before criticizing others of being so.

However, to the subject in hand was Communion, and not the 144,000. Though you believe, have been told, should be the sole participants of. My point was to show that number was never the point of Communion, nor was Communion solely for those number, but for everyone in Christ Jesus. However, if it is as you say then Communion is never done in the JW, nor should it be done in any church, unless in Christ Jesus you are part of that number. Even JW never designated who those were, just a requirement for the opportunity to be part of that number was spoken of. Unless this too has changed over the years!

Your position/understanding of Communion is faulty and needs to be understood through the Spirit of God who will provide you it through God's Word, and not through the words of man. No matter how saintly they appear to be.

Sadly, it does tell me also that you haven't had the joy/tears of having Communion that is focused upon our Lord's Sacrifice/Suffering on the Cross and brings to mind/spirit to those who partake of it rightly have. A great loss you willingly deprive yourself of, which was never communicated by our Lord on how it should be, and this prior to His last Passover before being Crucified He pointed to. (See John 6:48-58)

Brother BAC in his post clearly noted that Scripture shows that it was meant for the Church/Body of Christ to do, and not to a small selected number, that you have been told to believe which is contrary to God's Word!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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[Keithw]

Rev 7:1; After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth, so that no wind would blow on the earth or on the sea or on any tree.
Rev 7:2; And I saw another angel ascending from the rising of the sun, having the seal of the living God; and he cried out with a loud voice to the four angels to whom it was granted to harm the earth and the sea,
Rev 7:3; saying, "Do not harm the earth or the sea or the trees until we have sealed the bond-servants of our God on their foreheads."
Rev 7:4; And I heard the number of those who were sealed, one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel:
Rev 7:5; from the tribe of Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben twelve thousand, from the tribe of Gad twelve thousand,
Rev 7:6; from the tribe of Asher twelve thousand, from the tribe of Naphtali twelve thousand, from the tribe of Manasseh twelve thousand,
Rev 7:7; from the tribe of Simeon twelve thousand, from the tribe of Levi twelve thousand, from the tribe of Issachar twelve thousand,
Rev 7:8; from the tribe of Zebulun twelve thousand, from the tribe of Joseph twelve thousand, from the tribe of Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed.

Nothing about thrones in this entire passage.

Rev 7:9; After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and races and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands;
Rev 7:10; and they cry out with a loud voice, saying, "Salvation to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb."
Rev 7:11; And all the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures; and they fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God,
Rev 7:12; saying, "Amen, blessing and glory and wisdom and thanksgiving and honor and power and might, be to our God forever and ever. Amen."
Rev 7:13; Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, "These who are clothed in the white robes, who are they, and where have they come from?"
Rev 7:14; I said to him, "My lord, you know." And he said to me, "These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation, and they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.
Rev 7:15; "For this reason, they are before the throne of God; and they serve Him day and night in His temple; and He who sits on the throne will spread His tabernacle over them.

"After these things" - new subject here... There is a single throne mentioned in this second passage. The great multitude isn't the 144,000. First 144,00 is a number that can be counted. The great multitude could not be counted.
Second, the 144,000 are specifically Jews, 12,000 from each tribe. The great multitude is people from every nation and race, not just Jews.

Rev 6:1, Rev 20:6 explains the little flock( Luke 12:32) hope.= 144,000

Rev 7:9--standing before the throne on earth. It will be the only ruling power that exists.

 

[Keithw]

Dear Keithw,
Clearly you are fixated on the 144,000 for which I understand totally because I did study under the JW for 2 years in NYC where the Publishing House I visited was. That is why I mentioned to you to seek the darkness in your own house first before criticizing others of being so.

However, to the subject in hand was Communion, and not the 144,000. Though you believe, have been told, should be the sole participants of. My point was to show that number was never the point of Communion, nor was Communion solely for those number, but for everyone in Christ Jesus. However, if it is as you say then Communion is never done in the JW, nor should it be done in any church, unless in Christ Jesus you are part of that number. Even JW never designated who those were, just a requirement for the opportunity to be part of that number was spoken of. Unless this too has changed over the years!

Your position/understanding of Communion is faulty and needs to be understood through the Spirit of God who will provide you it through God's Word, and not through the words of man. No matter how saintly they appear to be.

Sadly, it does tell me also that you haven't had the joy/tears of having Communion that is focused upon our Lord's Sacrifice/Suffering on the Cross and brings to mind/spirit to those who partake of it rightly have. A great loss you willingly deprive yourself of, which was never communicated by our Lord on how it should be, and this prior to His last Passover before being Crucified He pointed to. (See John 6:48-58)

Brother BAC in his post clearly noted that Scripture shows that it was meant for the Church/Body of Christ to do, and not to a small selected number, that you have been told to believe which is contrary to God's Word!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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Luke 22:29-30 says a covenant made to those who will sit on thrones).= The little flock, not the great crowd.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Luke 22:29-30 says a covenant made to those who will sit on thrones).= The little flock, not the great crowd.

So, are you/JW saying that what was written in 1 Corinthians 11:25-29 and directed to the Church at Corinth was wrong?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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[Keithw]

So, are you/JW saying that what was written in 1 Corinthians 11:25-29 and directed to the Church at Corinth was wrong?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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Many of the little flock lived back then. But Luke 22:29-30 is not wrong. Those teaching all to partake are wrong.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Many of the little flock lived back then. But Luke 22:29-30 is not wrong. Those teaching all to partake are wrong.

Dear Keithw,
According to you/JW it is, but as shown not according to Scripture.
So, when Paul was talking to the entirety of the church in Corinth and admonishing them. They were all or none were of the 144,000 because the church in Corinth was being admonished to their behavior in partaking of the Lord's Supper which was not part of the Passover meal but separate from it. A behavior noted for whenever they were partaking of it.

There was guidance but that which is written therein and no other requirements that you/JW would want to apply in attempting to place limit to this remembrance by making it only for the 144,000 and only on Passover. New converts to the church would have been guided by exactly what was provided here and not by what was written by Luke or the subject of the 144,000, since this revelation of the 144,000 had not yet been given to John which at the earliest would have been written 13 years after 1 Corinthians and 11 years for the Gospel of Luke were written, and at the latest it could have been 56 years after 1 Corinthians and 35 years for the Gospel of Luke!

As you notice there were no restrictions to partaking of what we call Communion, except self-examination.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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[Keithw]

Dear Keithw,
According to you/JW it is, but as shown not according to Scripture.
So, when Paul was talking to the entirety of the church in Corinth and admonishing them. They were all or none were of the 144,000 because the church in Corinth was being admonished to their behavior in partaking of the Lord's Supper which was not part of the Passover meal but separate from it. A behavior noted for whenever they were partaking of it.

There was guidance but that which is written therein and no other requirements that you/JW would want to apply in attempting to place limit to this remembrance by making it only for the 144,000 and only on Passover. New converts to the church would have been guided by exactly what was provided here and not by what was written by Luke or the subject of the 144,000, since this revelation of the 144,000 had not yet been given to John which at the earliest would have been written 13 years after 1 Corinthians and 11 years for the Gospel of Luke were written, and at the latest it could have been 56 years after 1 Corinthians and 35 years for the Gospel of Luke!

As you notice there were no restrictions to partaking of what we call Communion, except self-examination.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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Self examination if you are a member of the little flock--You cannot deny Luke 22:29-30-a covenant made only with those who will sit on thrones.

 

[B-A-C]

Luke 22:29-30 says a covenant made to those who will sit on thrones).= The little flock, not the great crowd.

How small? The same story is in Matt 19:28;

Matt 19:25; When the disciples heard this, they were very astonished and said, "Then who can be saved?"
Matt 19:26; And looking at them Jesus said to them, "With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
Matt 19:27; Then Peter said to Him, "Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?"
Matt 19:28; And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matt 19:29; "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name's sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life.
Matt 19:30; "But many who are first will be last; and the last, first.

The little flock is so small, it will only be 12 thrones.

Luke 22:24; And there arose also a dispute among them as to which one of them was regarded to be greatest.
Luke 22:25; And He said to them, "The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who have authority over them are called 'Benefactors.'
Luke 22:26; "But it is not this way with you, but the one who is the greatest among you must become like the youngest, and the leader like the servant.
Luke 22:27; "For who is greater, the one who reclines at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who reclines at the table? But I am among you as the one who serves.
Luke 22:28; "You are those who have stood by Me in My trials;
Luke 22:29; and just as My Father has granted Me a kingdom, I grant you
Luke 22:30; that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Luke 12:32; "Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has chosen gladly to give you the kingdom.

The "thrones" is different from the "kingdom". Matt 19 and Luke mention thrones. Luke 12, mentions a kingdom.
So who gets the kingdom? Only Jews?

Before you answer, read every letter Paul wrote to the Gentiles ( the one exception is Philippians ) and note he said they would be in the kingdom. ( Over 15 times )

Luke 22:24; says they had an argument about "which one of them" was the greatest. Which one of "who"? The whole world? All the Jews? Or just the 12 disciples? The answer is there in the chapter.

 

[B-A-C]

Who were all of the verses written to? Jews or Gentiles?

Rom 14:17; for the kingdom of God is not eating and drinking, but righteousness and peace and joy in the Holy Spirit.
1Cor 4:20; For the kingdom of God does not consist in words but in power.
1Cor 6:9; Or do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals,
1Cor 6:10; nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.
1Cor 15:24; then comes the end, when He hands over the kingdom to the God and Father, when He has abolished all rule and all authority and power.
1Cor 15:50; Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable.
Gal 5:21; envying, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these, of which I forewarn you, just as I have forewarned you, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God.
Eph 5:5; For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
Col 1:13; For He rescued us from the domain of darkness, and transferred us to the kingdom of His beloved Son,
Col 4:11; and also Jesus who is called Justus; these are the only fellow workers for the kingdom of God who are from the circumcision, and they have proved to be an encouragement to me.
1Thes 2:12; so that you would walk in a manner worthy of the God who calls you into His own kingdom and glory.
2Thes 1:5; This is a plain indication of God's righteous judgment so that you will be considered worthy of the kingdom of God, for which indeed you are suffering.
2Tim 4:1; I solemnly charge you in the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who is to judge the living and the dead, and by His appearing and His kingdom:
2Tim 4:18; The Lord will rescue me from every evil deed, and will bring me safely to His heavenly kingdom; to Him be the glory forever and ever. Amen.

I will concede, these last two verses could be written specifically to the Jews.

Heb 1:8 But of the Son He says, "YOUR THRONE, O GOD, IS FOREVER AND EVER, AND THE RIGHTEOUS SCEPTER IS THE SCEPTER OF HIS KINGDOM.
Heb 12:28 Therefore, since we receive a kingdom which cannot be shaken, let us show gratitude, by which we may offer to God an acceptable service with reverence and awe;

 

[Christ4Ever]

Self examination if you are a member of the little flock--You cannot deny Luke 22:29-30-a covenant made only with those who will sit on thrones.

Dear Keithw,
You actually brought a smile to my face on your reply.
Not being able to rebut and seeing the validity of my observation to you, you bring into the discussion that which is not supported by Scripture, but only what might or might not be true through the eyes of man as it pertains to those called. All the while knowing that one who looks at God's Word by eisegesis instead of exegesis is bound to misconstrue what God has provided for them to know, and easily come up with a new doctrine like you/JW have done in regard to Communion.

Your post does leave me with a question. Are you saying that you are part of the little flock then?

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
Nick
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[Keithw]

How small? The same story is in Matt 19:28;

Matt 19:25; When the disciples heard this, they were very astonished and said, "Then who can be saved?"
Matt 19:26; And looking at them Jesus said to them, "With people this is impossible, but with God all things are possible."
Matt 19:27; Then Peter said to Him, "Behold, we have left everything and followed You; what then will there be for us?"
Matt 19:28; And Jesus said to them, "Truly I say to you, that you who have followed Me, in the regeneration when the Son of Man will sit on His glorious throne, you also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Matt 19:29; "And everyone who has left houses or brothers or sisters or father or mother or children or farms for My name's sake, will receive many times as much, and will inherit eternal life.
Matt 19:30; "But many who are first will be last; and the last, first.

The little flock is so small, it will only be 12 thrones.

Luke 22:24; And there arose also a dispute among them as to which one of them was regarded to be greatest.
Luke 22:25; And He said to them, "The kings of the Gentiles lord it over them; and those who have authority over them are called 'Benefactors.'
Luke 22:26; "But it is not this way with you, but the one who is the greatest among you must become like the youngest, and the leader like the servant.
Luke 22:27; "For who is greater, the one who reclines at the table or the one who serves? Is it not the one who reclines at the table? But I am among you as the one who serves.
Luke 22:28; "You are those who have stood by Me in My trials;
Luke 22:29; and just as My Father has granted Me a kingdom, I grant you
Luke 22:30; that you may eat and drink at My table in My kingdom, and you will sit on thrones judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
Luke 12:32; "Do not be afraid, little flock, for your Father has chosen gladly to give you the kingdom.

The "thrones" is different from the "kingdom". Matt 19 and Luke mention thrones. Luke 12, mentions a kingdom.
So who gets the kingdom? Only Jews?

Before you answer, read every letter Paul wrote to the Gentiles ( the one exception is Philippians ) and note he said they would be in the kingdom. ( Over 15 times )

Luke 22:24; says they had an argument about "which one of them" was the greatest. Which one of "who"? The whole world? All the Jews? Or just the 12 disciples? The answer is there in the chapter.

Only the little flock go to heaven. The great crowd of other sheep are not promised heaven anywhere-Matt 5:5 is the promise Jesus gave to them. Gods kingdom rule will be on earth as well. Jesus will crush( Dan 2:44) every mortal govt off of Gods earth. Gods kingdom will be the only ruling power.