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The Freedom of the Condemned

KingJ

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Within Christian theology, evil is often treated as something God merely tolerates until its final eradication. Yet Scripture presents a more complex picture. Fallen angels, described as profoundly wicked and destined for judgment, are not immediately destroyed, silenced, or rendered inactive. Instead, they are shown to exist, act, move, communicate, and even negotiate, all under the watchful sovereignty of God.

This raises an uncomfortable but important question: Why does God allow even the most corrupt spiritual beings to continue living and acting within creation? The biblical record suggests that divine justice is not expressed through impulsive elimination, but through absolute governance. God does not lose control over rebellion; He rules over it. Even those who oppose Him are granted a constrained sphere of existence, one that ultimately serves His purposes, not theirs.

Observations on the Permitted Activity of Fallen Angels:

1. Interaction with humanity

The Bible clearly teaches that fallen spirits can interact directly with humans, particularly those who are willing or spiritually unguarded. The Gospels record numerous cases of demonic possession, where spirits speak, act, and respond through human hosts.

“For Jesus had commanded the impure spirit to come out of the man.” (Luke 8:29)

These accounts show that fallen angels are capable of sustained engagement with human beings, though always subject to divine authority.
Scripture acknowledges that some humans actively seek contact with spiritual entities through occult practices, spirit communication, or forbidden knowledge.

“Let no one be found among you who practices divination or sorcery… or who consults the dead.” (Deuteronomy 18:10–12)
Such engagement is consistently condemned, yet it remains possible because human free will is real, even when misused.

2. Manifestation within the physical world

Scripture and early Jewish-Christian tradition affirm that spiritual beings can appear in bodily form. Angels are described eating, speaking, walking, and being seen by humans.

“Do not forget to show hospitality to strangers, for by so doing some people have shown hospitality to angels without knowing it.” (Hebrews 13:2)

If faithful angels can appear physically, it follows that fallen angels, who retain intelligence and power, can also present themselves in visible or embodied ways, particularly for the purpose of deception.

Across cultures and generations, many people have testified to encounters with non-human entities, often described as UFO occupants, grey or green alien beings, shape-shifters, mermaids, or hybrid creatures.

3. Movement and roaming within creation

The Bible depicts fallen angels as mobile and active within the world, not confined to a single place.

“The LORD said to Satan, ‘Where have you come from?’ Satan answered, ‘From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.’” (Job 1:7)

This roaming is not uncontrolled freedom, but movement permitted and observed by God.

4. Submission to Christ’s authority

The Gospels repeatedly show fallen spirits recognizing Jesus immediately and submitting to His commands.

“What do you want with me, Jesus, Son of the Most High God?” (Luke 8:28)

When the demons request permission to enter a herd of pigs, Jesus allows it, demonstrating that even their destructive actions require divine consent.

“He gave them permission.” (Luke 8:32)

5. Condemned, yet not yet destroyed

Fallen angels know their judgment is certain, but future.

“Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?” (Matthew 8:29)

Their continued activity exists within the space between rebellion and final judgment—a space governed entirely by God.

Conclusion:

The freedom presently granted to fallen angels reveals something profound about the nature of God. It shows that His character is not defined by impulsive destruction, but by measured justice tempered with mercy. Though these beings are openly rebellious, fully aware of their guilt, and deserving of judgment, God continues to allow them existence, movement, and limited activity. This is not weakness, it is goodness under control.

If, in the present age, God restrains His judgment and permits even His enemies to live and act for a time, then we are forced to confront an important question: Why do we so readily assume that God’s final judgment must be cruel? Scripture shows a God who is consistent in character. The same God who is patient now does not become sadistic later. Justice, when it comes, will be righteous, proportionate, and purposeful, never arbitrary or vindictive.

The continued existence of fallen angels stands as living evidence that God does not delight in destruction, even of the wicked. If mercy governs His actions now, when rebellion is still active, it is unreasonable to assume that mercy will suddenly vanish when justice is finally executed. God’s judgments flow from who He is, and who He is has already been revealed.
 
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I'm still not 100% convinced that demons are fallen angels. It's possible, but they could also be something else?

Though these beings are openly rebellious, fully aware of their guilt, and deserving of judgment, God continues to allow them existence, movement, and limited activity. This is not weakness, it is goodness under control.

True for some of them, but not all of them.

Jude 1
6 And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,
7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.
 
I'm still not 100% convinced that demons are fallen angels. It's possible, but they could also be something else?

I have heard that Enoch speaks of them being the offspring of fallen angels mating with woman.

For me, I feel scripture is quite clear that demons are angels.

Rev 12:9 and the great dragon was thrown down… and his angels were thrown down with him.

True for some of them, but not all of them.

Jude 1
6 And angels who did not keep their own domain, but abandoned their proper abode, He has kept in eternal bonds under darkness for the judgment of the great day,
7 just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the cities around them, since they in the same way as these indulged in gross immorality and went after strange flesh, are exhibited as an example in undergoing the punishment of eternal fire.

Sure, agreed. This proves that some are more evil than others. Degrees of sin is true for us and them.
 
I like the other details concerning this. Like how by now we are all such a mix of lineages that include Nephilim, Giantile, children of the Devil, and those who become new creatures by the grace of The LORD Christ, etcetera... that the only crucial point comes to believing in Christ as Lord and Savior, and not taking His Atoning Sacrifice of granted.
 
I'm still not 100% convinced that demons are fallen angels. It's possible, but they could also be something else?
I had a lengthy conversation with someone who can see them if they are near him or on people near him. he said they are as diverse as the species of animals that walk the earth.
As for what I've seen they just take on the image of what they are trying to convey, but i don't waste my time trying to peer into their actual form anymore.
My ex has a familiar that my wife can see that i can't, she sees it in the form of an innocent dog. I think God intends to show my ex that my wife has spiritual authority over her too.

The more powerful principalities that don't want me infringing on their territory, i haven't actually seen them yet, but i have encountered them in opposition to me when i start thinking about what it would look like for Christians to not be afraid to operate in the authority that is normally assumed to be the state's job.
so for example:
giving medical advice
financial advice
counseling people without a license.
taking out the trash (read between the lines of what i'm saying here)
rescuing people, regardless of age, out of abusive situations, not by force but by consent. so if for example your neighbors teenager runs away, do you feed them or turn them over back to their parents? or give them to CPS. why not ask God what to do instead of the police?

think and pray about these things and i will not be surprised if you encounter opposition, spiritually.
 
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