The Fate of the Unborn That have Died in the Womb

[GodB4Us]

All births are "perfect" and Sinless - until the person themselves invariably begins to SIN, and fall short. Humans have a HUMAN nature, just like Adam, me and Jesus. Since our first born died (came too early/hyaline membrane) I 'spect to meet her on the other side as she really is.

Sin is passed on to the unborn child but there is a truth in scripture for how Christ can bring the unborn that has died in the womb to God.

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

Psalm 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

I suspect that the Father can reveal His Son to the unborn to reveal His Son to them as He enables them to believe in Him to be saved because...

Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

The baby, unborn or born, dies because it had inherited sin, but the starting scripture above proves that necessity for Christ to save the unborn child that would have believed in Him to be saved if born & raised and He will.

Paul also writes this about being married to a believer being married to an unbeliever...

1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?
17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.

So you are right since I assume your wife is also a believer but even if not, she is sanctified by your marriage to her and thus your unborn child is holy when the child had died.

But obviously Christ is the only One that can bring us, including the unborn child, to God.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

So you will be seeing your unborn child in Heaven in that day.

 

[Butch5]

Sin is passed on to the unborn child but there is a truth in scripture for how Christ can bring the unborn that has died in the womb to God.

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

Psalm 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!

Matthew 11:25 At that time Jesus answered and said, I thank thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because thou hast hid these things from the wise and prudent, and hast revealed them unto babes.
26 Even so, Father: for so it seemed good in thy sight.
27 All things are delivered unto me of my Father: and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him.

I suspect that the Father can reveal His Son to the unborn to reveal His Son to them as He enables them to believe in Him to be saved because...

Psalm 58:3 The wicked are estranged from the womb: they go astray as soon as they be born, speaking lies.

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

The baby, unborn or born, dies because it had inherited sin, but the starting scripture above proves that necessity for Christ to save the unborn child that would have believed in Him to be saved if born & raised and He will.

Paul also writes this about being married to a believer being married to an unbeliever...

1 Corinthians 7:12 But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.
13 And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.
14 For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.
15 But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.
16 For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?
17 But as God hath distributed to every man, as the Lord hath called every one, so let him walk. And so ordain I in all churches.

So you are right since I assume your wife is also a believer but even if not, she is sanctified by your marriage to her and thus your unborn child is holy when the child had died.

But obviously Christ is the only One that can bring us, including the unborn child, to God.

1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

So you will be seeing your unborn child in Heaven in that day.

Where in Scripture do find that sin has come to the unborn child?

 

[GodB4Us]

Where in Scripture do find that sin has come to the unborn child?

Death comes by original sin. We all inherited it or else unborn babies cannot be aborted.

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Romans 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

But because God knew us before we were born, so He knows if we would have received the gospel had we heard it for why the Father would reveal His Son to the unborn before they are born & or even get aborted since by believing in Him is how we are saved.

Psalm 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

But for the believer..... as well as the married couple, if one is a believer, then the child is sanctified and holy as the unbelieving spouse is.

 

[God's Truth]

We receive our spirit at conception, and our spirit and body look the same as the spirit is why our body grows.

 

[Butch5]

Death comes by original sin. We all inherited it or else unborn babies cannot be aborted.

1 Corinthians 15:21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

Romans 5:11 And not only so, but we also joy in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, by whom we have now received the atonement.
12 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

But because God knew us before we were born, so He knows if we would have received the gospel had we heard it for why the Father would reveal His Son to the unborn before they are born & or even get aborted since by believing in Him is how we are saved.

Psalm 139:13 For thou hast possessed my reins: thou hast covered me in my mother's womb.
14 I will praise thee; for I am fearfully and wonderfully made: marvellous are thy works; and that my soul knoweth right well.
15 My substance was not hid from thee, when I was made in secret, and curiously wrought in the lowest parts of the earth.
16 Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect; and in thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them.
17 How precious also are thy thoughts unto me, O God! how great is the sum of them!

Psalm 51:5 Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.
6 Behold, thou desirest truth in the inward parts: and in the hidden part thou shalt make me to know wisdom.

But for the believer..... as well as the married couple, if one is a believer, then the child is sanctified and holy as the unbelieving spouse is.

Where does Scripture say we inherit sin? We die because Adam sinned. Because he sinned he cast out of the garden and he lost access to the tree of life. Since Adam, no one has had access to the tree of life, as such all die. I don't see anything inherited here.

Psalm 139 is David speaking of himself. It's not a universal statement of all mankind.

In Psalm 51 David says he was conceived in sin. That doesn't mean he is a sinner. I was conceived in a bedroom, that doesn't make me a bedroom.

Where in Scripture do you find that God knows who would believe before they are born?

 

[MedicBravo]

It is more logical that God would treat those who are not mature in body and mind differently from the rest of us.
Few talk about the Age of Accountability. It is a parent's duty to teach their child. If they don't or teach them incorrectly both are at fault.
Catholics would have you believe they go to purgatory where they stay until you pay the CC enough money and the priests can "get them out". There's no mention of such a place.
There are people who are past that age who have varying degrees of mental maturity and delay. If you know who God is, then you know they are part of this group.
It's also logical that children who die are "ages" in spirit and mind. People who were autistic, delayed, whatever PC term you wanna use won't be in Heaven or the New Earth. God would not have children stay as children for eternity.

 

[GodB4Us]

Where does Scripture say we inherit sin? We die because Adam sinned. Because he sinned he cast out of the garden and he lost access to the tree of life. Since Adam, no one has had access to the tree of life, as such all die. I don't see anything inherited here.

Psalm 139 is David speaking of himself. It's not a universal statement of all mankind.

In Psalm 51 David says he was conceived in sin. That doesn't mean he is a sinner. I was conceived in a bedroom, that doesn't make me a bedroom.

Where in Scripture do you find that God knows who would believe before they are born?

How do you apply these verses?

Romans 5:12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:.....

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Thanks in advance for participating in this thread.

 

[Butch5]

How do you apply these verses?

Romans 5:12Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:.....

21 That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

Thanks in advance for participating in this thread.

You're welcome! The way I understnad the paasafe is thus. The passage says sin entered by one man. Sin entered through Adam. Then he says death entered through sin. That begs the question, what did Adam do? We know he ate from the tree of which he was commanded not to eat. Because of that he was cast out of the garden and barred from the tree of life less he eat of it and live forever. We see from that statement that death is the result of being barred from the tree of life. Everyone after Adam is born into a world that doesn't have access to the tree of life, thus everyone dies. Adam's sin created a condition in which all those coming after him have no access to the tree of life.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Sin is passed on to the unborn child

Totally FALSE. SIN IS NOT PASSED to the unborn.

 

[God's Truth]

Totally FALSE. SIN IS NOT PASSED to the unborn.

Sin is part of life in this world.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Sin is part of life in this world.

but only AFTER you sin. You "inherit" NOTHING.

 

[God's Truth]

but only AFTER you sin. You "inherit" NOTHING.

Well kids can be born with disabilities and other things before they sin or before they are even born because of sin, this is a fallen world and ALL are affected by sin.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

Well kids can be born with disabilities and other things before they sin or before they are even born because of sin, this is a fallen world and ALL are affected by sin.

John 9:2,3

 

[God's Truth]

John 9:2,3

I didn't say the child sinned or that his parents sinned. I said this is a fallen world because of sin being in the world. This world is full of sickness and death.

 

[GodB4Us]

You're welcome! The way I understnad the paasafe is thus. The passage says sin entered by one man. Sin entered through Adam. Then he says death entered through sin. That begs the question, what did Adam do? We know he ate from the tree of which he was commanded not to eat. Because of that he was cast out of the garden and barred from the tree of life less he eat of it and live forever. We see from that statement that death is the result of being barred from the tree of life. Everyone after Adam is born into a world that doesn't have access to the tree of life, thus everyone dies. Adam's sin created a condition in which all those coming after him have no access to the tree of life.

I am not sure how you can negate the effect of sin which is death for how any unborn or born child dies.

Totally FALSE. SIN IS NOT PASSED to the unborn.

If death comes by sin, then how can the unborn die?

I refer you back to the OP in how Paul believed that a believing parent sanctified the unbelieving parent and makes the children holy.

 

[Butch5]

I am not sure how you can negate the effect of sin which is death for how any unborn or born child dies.

If death comes by sin, then how can the unborn die?

I refer you back to the OP in how Paul believed that a believing parent sanctified the unbelieving parent and makes the children holy.

I haven't berated the effect if sin
Adam sinned, the effect is death. They suffer the effects of that sin. However, that doesn't make the unborn sinners. They die as a result of Adam's sin, they're not guilty of it.

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I am not sure how you can negate the effect of sin which is death for how any unborn or born child dies.

If death comes by sin, then how can the unborn die?

Either by being murdered by its parents who hired the contract killer to get 'er done, OR because of physical issues too extreme to allow the baby to survive.

I refer you back to the OP in how Paul believed that a believing parent sanctified the unbelieving parent and makes the children holy.

And in our case with TWO believing parents, Angeline still died 3 hours out.

 

[GodB4Us]

I haven't berated the effect if sin

Not sure how I was inferring you were berating the effect of sin but just how you can negate it as not being passed on to the next generation, including the ones in the womb.

Adam sinned, the effect is death. They suffer the effects of that sin. However, that doesn't make the unborn sinners. They die as a result of Adam's sin, they're not guilty of it.

If death comes by sin, then how can death come to the unborn unless by inherited sin and therefore death? Cause and effect seems to be applied here in the Word of God.

 

[GodB4Us]

Either by being murdered by its parents who hired the contract killer to get 'er done, OR because of physical issues too extreme to allow the baby to survive.

I truly wondered if Adam & Eve had not sinned, would the serpent be able to kill them?

And in our case with TWO believing parents, Angeline still died 3 hours out.

You will see your daughter again. Praise the Lord for that!

 

[Bob Carabbio]

I truly wondered if Adam & Eve had not sinned, would the serpent be able to kill them?

If the serpent (satan) had killed them, than God could have JUDGED HIM immediately, and gotten rid of him which would have made things better for the creation, for sure.

AS IT IS, however, since Adam & Eve jumped onto satan's side against God, then any judgement on satan would also apply to Adam and Eve also, as well as the REST of us who have also taken satan's side against God. SO there had to be a Savior to clean things up. Fortunately (for us) the Savior was in the plan from the beginning.

You will see your daughter again. Praise the Lord for that!

I expect to, on the other side, not too much longer from now.