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The Devil: Myth or Reality?

<DIR><DIR>SATAN</DIR><DIR></DIR><DIR></DIR><DIR></DIR><DIR></DIR><DIR>A. The Names and Descriptive Titles.</DIR><DIR>1. Satan. This name means "adversary, hater, and accuser." "Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel" I Chron. 21:1.</DIR><DIR>2. Devil. This name means "Slanderer, Accuser,Deceiver." "He laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years" Rev. 20:2.
3. Beelzebub. This is the prince of demons. Originally it meant "Lord of Flies"; the Jews later changed it to mean "Lord of the Dung Hill." "The scribes which came down from Jerusalem said, He hath Beelzebub, and by the prince of the devils [demons] casteth he out devils [demons]"Mark 3:22.
4. Belial. This means "good-for-nothing." "Certain men, the children of Belial, are gone out from among you, and have withdrawn the inhabitants of their city, saying, Let us go and serve other gods, which ye have not known" Deut.13:13.
5. The Wicked One. He is the evil one, who has no reverence for Christ. "I have written unto you, fathers, because ye have known him that is from the beginning. I have written unto you, young men, because ye are strong, and the word of God abideth in you, and ye have overcome the wicked one" I John 2:14. See also I John 2:13;Matthew 6:13,R.V.
6. Prince of This World. World politics, business and society are under his domain. The Lord Jesus did not deny this when he was accosted by the Devil in the wilderness Matt. 4;Luke 4."Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out" John 12:31.See also John 14:30;16:11.
7. The God of This Age. "If our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost: in whom the god of this world [age] hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them" II Cor. 4:4.
8. Prince of the Power of the Air. "You hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins; wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience" Eph. 2:2.
9. That Old Serpent. "The great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him"Rev. 12:9.See also Revelation 12:3;20:2.
10. Dragon. "He laid hold on the dragon, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years" Rev. 20:2.
11. The Evil One. "We know that whosoever is begotten of God sinneth not; but he that was begotten of God keepeth himself, and the evil one toucheth him not" I John 5:18,R.V.
12. Angel of Light. "Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light" II Cor. 11:14.
13. Father of Lies. "Ye are of your father the devil, and the lust of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it" John 8:44.
14. Murderer. "He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him" John 8:44.See also I John 3:12-15.
15. Roaring Lion. "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary, the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about seeking whom he may devour" I Peter 5:8.
16. Ruler of Darkness. "For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places" Eph. 6:12

B. The Personality of Satan.
There is a general denial that the Devil is a person. To deny such is to deny the Word of God. The Scriptures teach that he is as much a person as the Lord Jesus Christ.
C. The Origin of Satan.
Satan was a created being Ezek. 28:15. His position was the greatest of all the angelic hosts, "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth" Ezek. 28:14. He was one of the cherubim that overlooked the mercy seat of the temple in heaven. His name, Lucifer, means "Son of the Morning." He was created in perfect beauty Ezek. 28:12,17.Some hold that he was the choir leader of heaven, as the tabrets and pipes were prepared in him the day that he was created Ezek. 28:13. Others may ask, "Isn’t the twenty-eighth chapter of Ezekiel speaking about the King of Tyre?" Yes, to begin with but the inspired writer goes beyond the King of Tyre, and speaks about a person that no human person could possibly fulfill, "Thou hast been in Eden" Ezek. 28:13.Who could this be but Satan? He was perfect in his ways Ezek. 28:15.
D. The Career of Satan
What was the sin that caused Satan to be? What was it that changed Lucifer into the Devil? It was the original sin of the universe: pride. "I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High" Is. 14:14.The sin of pride was caused by choosing his own will above the will of God. "I will" became the original sin of the universe.

He appeared in the garden of Eden and thrust the human race into sin and death. He came to Job and wrought misery in his life. He tempted David to number the people. He tempted Christ Matt. 4 and Peter Luke 22:32.He hindered Paul in his great work I Thess. 2:18.He snatches the Word from people’s hearts Mark 4:15.
E. The Location of Satan.
He does have access to the throne of God, for he accused Job, and we are told that he accuses the brethren daily. "The accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night" Rev. 12:It is an error to think of the Devil living in a palace in hell; his location is in the heavenlies.
F. The Character of Satan.

1. Has Great Dignity. His titles show this. "Now is the judgment of this world: now shall the prince of this world be cast out" John 12:31.See also Jude 8,9;II Corinthians 4:4.

2. Has Great Power. God (Jesus) sent Paul to the Gentiles "to open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me" Acts 26:18.See also Job 1:10-12;Luke 11:14,18;Ephesians 6:11,12.The whole world without Christ is under him.
3. Has Great Cunning and Deceit. "Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light" II Cor. 11:14.See also Matthew 24:24;II Corinthians 2:11.
4. Has Great Malignity. "He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil" I John 3:8.See also II Corinthians 4:4.
5. Has Great Fear. "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you"Jas. 4:7

G. The Work of Satan.

1. He Is the Author of Sin and Tempts Men to Sin. "Then was Jesus led up of the spirit into the wilderness to be tempted of the devil" Matt. 4:1.
2. He Produces Sickness and Has Power of Death. "Forasmuch then as the children are partakers of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destroy him that had the power of death, that is, the devil" Heb. 2:14. See also Luke 13:16;Acts 10:38.
3. He Lays Snares for Men. "God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth . . . that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will" II Tim. 2:26.
4. He Takes the Word Out of Hearts. "When anyone heareth the word of the kingdom, and understandeth it not, then cometh the wicked one, and catcheth away that which was sown in his heart. This is he which received seed by the wayside" Matt. 13:19.
5. He Puts Wicked Purposes Into Hearts. "Neither give place to the devil" Eph. 4:27.
6. He Blinds Minds. "The God of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them" II Cor. 4:4.
7. He Harasses Men. "Lest I should be exalted above measure through the abundance of the revelations, there was given to me a thorn in the flesh, the messenger of Satan to buffet me, lest I should be exalted above measure" II Cor. 12:7.
8. He Accuses Men Before God. "The accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night" Rev. 12.
9. He Enters Into Men. "Supper being ended, the devil having now put into the heart of Judas Iscariot, Simon’s son, to betray him . . . [Jesus] riseth from supper" John 13:2.
10. He Sows Tares Among God’s People. "The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; the enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels" Matt. 13:38,39.
11. He Gives Power to the Lawless Ones. "To whom ye forgive anything, I forgive also: for what I also have forgiven if I have forgiven anything, for your sakes have I forgiven it in the presence of Christ; that no advantage may be gained over us by Satan: for we are not ignorant of his devices" II Cor. 2:10,11.
12. He Resists God’s Servants. "He shewed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right hand to resist him" Zech. 3:1.See also Daniel 10:13.
13. He Hinders God’s Servants. "We would fain have come unto you, even I Paul, once and again; but Satan hindered us" I Thess. 2:18.
14. He Sifts God’s Servants. "The Lord said, Simon, Simon, behold, Satan hath desired to have you, that he may sift you as wheat" Luke 22:31.
15. He Holds the World. "We know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in the evil one" I John 5:19

H. The Limitation of Satan.

1. He Is Not Omnipresent. He can be at only one place at a time. He is a created being, and a created being cannot be in two places at the same time. He is not everywhere, but his followers (demons) are. He can move rapidly to the aid of his agents Luke 10:18.
2. He Is Not Omniscient. He is wise; too wise for us, but he is not all-wise. The Devil would know less if we would tell him less. Spiritism is not all trickery. It is demonism, controlled by the Devil. No one can communicate with the dead, but the Devil and his angels know about the dead and communicate this knowledge to their mediums.
3. He Is Not Omnipotent. He is not all-powerful, though he has more power than we do. He is subject to the Word of God. A good example of this is found in Job 1 and 2.

I. Our Attitude toward Satan.

1. Redemptive Rights Are to Be Claimed by the Believer. "They overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death" Rev. 12:11. See also Ephesians 6:16;Hebrews 2:14;Colossians 2:15;I John 3:8.
2. Full Equipment Is to Be Appropriated by the Believer. "Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might. Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil" Eph. 6:10,11.See also Ephesians 6:12-18.
3. Strict Self Control Is to Be Maintained. "Neither give place to the devil" Eph. 4:27.
4. Vigilance Is to Be Exercised by the Believer. "Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour" I Peter 5:8.See also II Corinthians 2:11.
5. Resistance Is to Be Made by the Believer. "Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you" Jas. 4:7.See also I John 2:14.






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About satan

Why the rebellion; Vanity (KJB)Ezekiel 28:17
Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee.
 
Jesus said:
Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

That is where it starts.... what you are looking at, thinking on, giving place to your thought life...... Jesus did not say you committed sin. What he said is, that adultery is ALREADY in your heart. Meaning that You have something to be enticed with, and baited with....


If we are for example "Lusting (wanting) another women" We have not brought that thought into captivity, and obedience... We still have not sinned.... but we have already set ourselves up to fall....
Hi. With respect, I must disagree with your contention that our lustful or adulterous thoughts are not sinful. The tenth commandment clearly says "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbours wife...." Coveting is lust. Paul said he would not have known sin if the commandment had not said "thou shalt not covet".
Jesus, as you correctly quoted, said "that whosoever looketh upon a woman to lust after her hath commited adultery already!!!! in his heart".
Jesus equated the thought as being on equal terms with the act. Same as when He spoke of unreasonable anger being equated with murder. Your heartfelt intentions and motives are judged by God as if you had already carried them out. Regardless of whether you actually did the deed, your thoughts on the matter are as much an abomination to God as the act itself.
 
C. The Origin of Satan.
Satan was a created being Ezek. 28:15. His position was the greatest of all the angelic hosts, "Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth" Ezek. 28:14. He was one of the cherubim that overlooked the mercy seat of the temple in heaven. His name, Lucifer, means "Son of the Morning." He was created in perfect beauty Ezek. 28:12,17.Some hold that he was the choir leader of heaven, as the tabrets and pipes were prepared in him the day that he was created Ezek. 28:13. Others may ask, "Isn’t the twenty-eighth chapter of Ezekiel speaking about the King of Tyre?" Yes, to begin with but the inspired writer goes beyond the King of Tyre, and speaks about a person that no human person could possibly fulfill, "Thou hast been in Eden" Ezek. 28:13.Who could this be but Satan? He was perfect in his ways Ezek. 28:15.
There is no solid evidence that Ezekiel 28 refers to Satan.
I have to disagree with the author in that Adam(and Adam kind) fits those discriptions.
The tabret and pipes are his voice.He was in the garden of God and he was perfect before iniquity was found in him.

Ezek. 28:3
"Son of man, say to the ruler of Tyre, 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "'In the pride of your heart you say, "I am a god; I sit on the throne of a god in the heart of the seas." But you are a man and not a god, though you think you are as wise as a god.


Adam attempted to be "like God".
Gen. 3:22
And the LORD God said, "The man has now become like one of us, knowing good and evil. He must not be allowed to reach out his hand and take also from the tree of life and eat, and live forever."


Ezekiel 28:3 clearly states that he is a man.
Adam had a son named Cain.Cain translates to metalsmith/merchant.
The King of Tyre was the predominate merchant of Ezekiel's time.
There is every possibility that these verse speak to the Adam class of man who possessed the knowledge(formula) of good and evil.Remember the mark of Cain?

This Cain class was manifested by the top dog of merchants of that day and that would have been the King of Tyre.In the future the beast would forcibly make everyone take the mark and conform to the merchant system.
 
No doubt---+--Satan

(KJB) Ezekiel 28:14
Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so : thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

SATAN ALL DAY LONG CHAMP

Jesus loves you
 
Is there any scriptural evidence that Satan was ever anointed or a cherub?Ezekiel 28 is not enough evidence for me.

This is Jesus's description.

John 8:44
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.


According to Jesus,Satan was was a murderer from the beginning.
The one in the garden was perfect at the beginning.Until iniquity was found in him.

The study of cherubim and seraphim reveal some interesting things to consider.But present no evidence that either Satan or Adam were cherubs.However Adam did posses certain attributes that one might consider as having the highest of authority in the earth at that time.
Adam was way more powerful than Satan in the garden.

The stones could be referring to the lively stones that would one day populate the earth and already populated the heavens.
The priests of the old testament had 12 stones on their ephod.
It is more likely that people knew about the stones through man and not some satanic spirit.

Ez. 28:9
Will you still say, “I am a god,” before the one who kills you – though you are a man and not a god – when you are in the power of those who wound you?

Is Satan a man that he can be killed?

He was one of the cherubim that overlooked the mercy seat of the temple in heaven.

Wouldn't I have to believe that God put a murderer and a liar in charge of protecting the mercy seat?
 
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Gen.3:1
Now the serpent was more crafty than any other beast of the field that the LORD God had made. He said to the woman, “Did God actually say, ‘You shall not eat of any tree in the garden’?”

It seems to me the serpent was just a really smart beast of the field.
Is the serpent Satan?
The serpent wasn't even in the same power/authority class as Adam in the garden.In some Jewish sects Angels are regarded as the laws of physics and the Cherub are regarded as a symbol or picture of the human mind.
 
(KJB) Genesis 3:1-2, 4
Now the serpent was more subtil than any beast of the field which the Lord God had made. And he said unto the woman, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden? [2] And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden: [4] And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:

Notice how each verse says "the", serpent. This wasnt just any old snake.

Ezekiel 28:1-19. Looking at the peanut shell and all, I'm pretty sure that there's a peanut in there. The section concerning the King of Tyre is very similar to Isaiah 14:3-23 referring to the King of Babylon. In both passages, some of the language best fits Satan. Most likely, both texts primilary describe the human King who is being used by Satan, much like Peter when Jesus said to him" Get behind me, Satan" (Matthew 16:23). The judgment can certainly apply to Satan also.
 
Eph 6:12

Satan's position of Power is somewhere above the Earth, and his authority extends even to Hell. He is the god of this world.

Jesus Is Lord...

I'm curious Mike, what scriptures express Satan's authority extending to hell?
 
Notice how each verse says "the", serpent. This wasnt just any old snake.
I agree,the point is he is no Cherub,nor is there any indication of any kind of anointing,just a slick talking beast.

Ezekiel 28:1-19. Looking at the peanut shell and all, I'm pretty sure that there's a peanut in there.
I don't see a shell at all,just a description that can't fit the serpent.
The only reason people think it describes Satan is because we have been told to believe that.
I do not believe that Isaiah describes Satan either as the king of Babylon was also the top dog merchant of the day.
If it were written today it might adress Donald Trump.
 
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Question: Did God make the devil?The Bible says:

  • “Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee" (Ezekiel 28:15).
Question: What led Lucifer to rebel? The Bible says:
  • "Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness" (Ezekiel 28:17).
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Ok, God created Satan, and he was perfect in his ways until "iniquity was found" in him. This iniquity was caused because of pride, which was perpetuated by Lucifer's wisdom, reason, and brightness. Satan "hoped" to unseat God, then demanded. (and lost)

Fine.

But a question I've had, is who created all those things? Who put into motion all those "factors" or "functions" which were causal to Lucifer being "found with iniquity"?

Can we say it wasn't God who created all these factors/functions, and even motives? We're created in His likeness, right? He created us as such. So...things like wisdom, reason, brightness, hope, etc., are built into us....Satan/Lucifer just had A LOT of those things. He was brilliant. Too brilliant. Too bright for his own good, and certainly ours as well.

I'm certainly NOT saying any of this so as to offer "sympathy for the devil" or whatever. However, is it not a symbiotic relationship between Satan/Lucifer and God? Was Lucifer's creation (or, if you prefer, "coming into being") not purposed by God...and had it not been so, we wouldn't even exist?


The beginning of the Bible was not Genesis 1. There was a great story in the Heavens that preceded even our conception:


Revelation 12

The Woman and the Dragon

<SUP id=en-NIV-30893 class=versenum>1</SUP> A great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet and a crown of twelve stars on her head. <SUP id=en-NIV-30894 class=versenum>2</SUP> She was pregnant and cried out in pain as she was about to give birth. <SUP id=en-NIV-30895 class=versenum>3</SUP> Then another sign appeared in heaven: an enormous red dragon with seven heads and ten horns and seven crowns on its heads. <SUP id=en-NIV-30896 class=versenum>4</SUP> Its tail swept a third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth. The dragon stood in front of the woman who was about to give birth, so that it might devour her child the moment he was born. <SUP id=en-NIV-30897 class=versenum>5</SUP> She gave birth to a son, a male child, who “will rule all the nations with an iron scepter.”<SUP class=footnote value='[a]'>[a]</SUP> And her child was snatched up to God and to his throne. <SUP id=en-NIV-30898 class=versenum>6</SUP> The woman fled into the wilderness to a place prepared for her by God, where she might be taken care of for 1,260 days.
<SUP id=en-NIV-30899 class=versenum>7</SUP> Then war broke out in heaven. Michael and his angels fought against the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought back. <SUP id=en-NIV-30900 class=versenum>8</SUP> But he was not strong enough, and they lost their place in heaven. <SUP id=en-NIV-30901 class=versenum>9</SUP> The great dragon was hurled down—that ancient serpent called the devil, or Satan, who leads the whole world astray. He was hurled to the earth, and his angels with him.
<SUP id=en-NIV-30902 class=versenum>10</SUP> Then I heard a loud voice in heaven say:
“Now have come the salvation and the power
and the kingdom of our God,
and the authority of his Messiah.
For the accuser of our brothers and sisters,
who accuses them before our God day and night,
has been hurled down.
<SUP id=en-NIV-30903 class=versenum>11</SUP> They triumphed over him
by the blood of the Lamb
and by the word of their testimony;
they did not love their lives so much
as to shrink from death.
<SUP id=en-NIV-30904 class=versenum>12</SUP> Therefore rejoice, you heavens
and you who dwell in them!
But woe to the earth and the sea,
because the devil has gone down to you!
He is filled with fury,
because he knows that his time is short.”
<SUP id=en-NIV-30905 class=versenum>13</SUP> When the dragon saw that he had been hurled to the earth, he pursued the woman who had given birth to the male child. <SUP id=en-NIV-30906 class=versenum>14</SUP> The woman was given the two wings of a great eagle, so that she might fly to the place prepared for her in the wilderness, where she would be taken care of for a time, times and half a time, out of the serpent’s reach. <SUP id=en-NIV-30907 class=versenum>15</SUP> Then from his mouth the serpent spewed water like a river, to overtake the woman and sweep her away with the torrent. <SUP id=en-NIV-30908 class=versenum>16</SUP> But the earth helped the woman by opening its mouth and swallowing the river that the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. <SUP id=en-NIV-30909 class=versenum>17</SUP> Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring—those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus.



...so, what do we make of Lucifer, and what do we think of him?

The great symbiosis in affect between God and Lucifer is too much for me to understand or discern. I know I want to serve God, but can I say I'm not thankful for Lucifer too? Does Lucifer not play a part in this great story of ours?

Thanks for bringing this up Chad.
 
No man or king ever made perfect, except Jesus

(KJB) Ezekiel 28:15
Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee.

"perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created". Surely your not thinking this is of any man, (King).
 
"perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created". Surely your not thinking this is of any man, (King).
Yes,Adam fits that description,he was perfect and could not sin because he did not know the difference between good and evil.
Jesus is the second Adam who resisted temptation and destroyed the works of the Devil.

Jesus said:
John 10:8 All who ever came before me were thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not listen to them.

I take Jesus's word over any old testament profit because Jesus called them all thieves and robbers.

Jesus clears things up by telling us:
John 8:44
You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father's desire. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Jesus said that Satan was a murderer and a liar from the beginning.
That can't fit with "perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created" unless Jesus meant he was a perfect murderer and liar.

There is also no scripture that tells us when or even if Satan was created.Jesus puts him at the beginning.

We know Adam was created and since there was no such thing as sin at that time he was indeed "perfect in all his ways" until iniquity was found in him.He could do no wrong because there was no wrong yet.In the garden Adam was King.

Did Jesus lie to us or was he just wrong about Satan?
I prefer to believe Jesus rather than man's interpretations.
 
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(KJV)Ezekiel 28:13-14
Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. [14] Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so : thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire.

Clothing doesn't fit;(KJV)Genesis 3:7
And the eyes of them both were opened, and they knew that they were naked; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons.

not the stones of Ezekiel 28:13

Adam was a man not a cherub; (KJV)Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
 
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Jesus said that Satan was a murderer and a liar from the beginning.
That alone should be evidence that Ezek.28 speaks of something else.
The serpent was a beast of the field.A liar from the beginning.

every precious stone was thy covering
A covering means more than clothes,it speaks of authority.
A husband is a covering for his wife.God is the covering or head of the husband and of the one flesh union that he joined called "husband and wife".

Adam was a covering for at least Eve and every animal under his dominion and quite possibly for everything God created.He had absolute authority to rule the earth.He was in a sense "The King".

This being in Ezek 28 was covered by stones and he walked up and down "in" them.Again a covering meaning "under the authority". Or stand under the authority of.
The temple priests had an ephod that contained these stones.
12 stones,12 tribes,12 apostles.
Today we are the living stones that were there at the beginning.
Why do you think Jesus said the stones would praise him if Israel didn't.

Jesus is the second Adam,I could also say Adam was a shadow of Jesus,sort of a "morning star" verses "day star" comparison.

The "workmanship" of his tabrets and pipes could mean he used tabrets and pipes to perform his work.In other words he crafted things with the voice of his mouth.Adam before the fall was just like Jesus after he received the Holy Spirit.His Word was absolute authority in the garden.

Melchizedek was on the Mountain of God and it could be argued that Moses was on the mountain of God.I don't think it's a stretch to say Adam may have had a similar experience.
 
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Sorry I mised our Friday morning ,had to start early. But read and considered your point. I believe that in the end conviction is the tool the Holy Ghost uses to teach each and everyone of us, these are mine.

There is no doubt that both passages in question refer to earthly kings. Isaiah refers to the "king of Babylon." The passage in Ezekiel refers to the "ruler of Tyre" One could call this the greater context. But both
passages also include parenthetic statements that would seem inappropriate, even impossible, if applied to a human. At this point
one has to consider a basic hermeneutic principle sometimes referred to as the principle of double reference.

Simply put, a single passage 'applying primarily to a person or event near at hand' can also have another person in mind. Examples of
this can be seen with passages used of Christ.

Hosea 11:1 principle of double referenceDeuteronomy 18:15 principle of double referenceThere are many more such examples that could be quoted, but this should suffice to show that the principle of double reference is a
well-established Bible hermeneutic that must be considered when interpreting passages that seem to extend beyond the immediate.

Ezekiel 28

If this passage were referring exclusively to the ruler of Tyre, then you would certainly have to say that it is a case of imagery and
even overstatement.

"blameless from the day he was created.". There can be no reasonable doubt that the ruler of Tyre is not the only person being referred to here. On the other hand, it is quite
reasonable to believe that the passage is referring to the ruling power behind the ruler of Tyre'sactions.
It should be noted that addressing Satan through a human being is consistent with another passage in scripture. In Matthew 16:23 we see
that "Jesus turned and said to Peter, "Get behind me, Satan! You are a stumbling block to me; you do not have in mind the
things of God, but the things of men." Jesus was talking at Peter, but directing his comments to Satan. Reading the passage
carefully it is hard to determine just which part of the sentence was for Peter and which part was for Satan. (One feels the same
uncertainty at times in Isaiah and Ezekiel.) Whichever the case, Peter got an earful, and Satan-the ruling power behind Peter's
foolish words-was put in his place. In the same way, the ruler of Tyre would have been warned, and Satan-the ruling power behind his
reign-would have been exposed.
Isaiah 14

To some extent, Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 stand together. The first phrase in verse 12 is the key to this passage. Isaiah seems to
switch gears and speak of someone more than the king of Babylon. Unless you also take the passage in Isaiah figuratively you are forced
to consider the application of the principle of double reference.
It seems hard to envision the king of Babylon The verse implies that How did the king propose to 'ascend into heaven'? Did he think he could sit on the sacred mountainThe reference to 'the stars of God'In addition to these questionable ambitions, the individual is called Lucifer, the "morning star," a word used to describe
incredible brightness and beauty. Dr. Renald Showers gives a good explanation of this word in his book titled, "Angels."
helelIn Revelation 22:16 this same word is used to describe the beauty of Christ. That it would also be applied to an evil king of Babylon
is hard to comprehend. On the other hand, the passage makes sense if Isaiah did switch gears and began to lament over the one who was the
driving force behind the king of Babylon, the great counterfeiter, Satan.
Franz Delitzsch gives a good conclusion as quoted by Charles Ryrie in Basic Theology.
.In writing The Stranger, we did not want to fill it with 'maybe," and 'it could be.' Unbelievers have a hard time handling gray
areas. We wanted as few of those as possible. It was our conviction that the passages in question are clear enough to teach them with
conviction and certainty, both on the basis of sound exegesis and historical interpretation. If we could not be sure on those passages,
then a host of other verses would have to be declared as vague. For example, the "serpent" in the Garden of Eden could not be
taught as being Satan because the serpent is not identified in that passage as Satan. Yet we believe that the serpent was Satan and
teach it with conviction because the whole body of Biblical revelation makes it clear. We believe the same applies to Isaiah 14 and
Ezekiel 28.
It is interesting how God has revealed information to us about Satan throughout Scripture in the writings of the many different prophets
and apostles. From all these different passages we get a unified and non-contradictory picture of what Satan is like and what he does.
I believe that when Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28 are interpreted in light of the whole of scripture, that one can say with confidence that
these passages are speaking about Satan.
 
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.In writing The Stranger, we did not want to fill it with 'maybe," and 'it could be.' Unbelievers have a hard time handling gray
areas.
When was this in the 1950's? Unbelievers I talk to respect an honest answer.They understand grey.

If we could not be sure on those passages,
then a host of other verses would have to be declared as vague.
They are vague and many depend on compounding error and calling it conformation.
Why is the serpent Satan?Why is Lucifer Satan?Why,because we can't stand telling people we don't know.We think they can't handle the truth and the greys.

In the Book of Job, ha-Satan is a member of the divine council, “the sons of God” who are subservient to God.Ha-Satan in this capacity is many times translated as “the prosecutor".

Ha-Satan is traditionally translated as “the accuser,” or “the adversary.” The definite article “ha-”,English “the”, is used to show that this is a title bestowed on a being, versus the name of a being. Thus this being would be referred to as “the Satan"

In Christianity and Islam the title became a personal name, and "Satan" changed from an accuser appointed by God to test men's faith to the chief of the rebellious fallen angels.That seems to have happened in about 400 AD when Rome paganized Christianity.

Jesus said that he was just a murderer and a liar from the beginning.
Adam fits the description better in my opinion but I would not tell anyone I know that for certain.
I am more inclined to believe that both Isaiah and Ezekiel describe either man or something we have not considered.
 
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