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The church vs LGBQT community

Loyal
@Brad Huber -- the fact Is that there Are babies born with Both and / or no genitalia. It Is rare. But it Does happen.

As far as genetic codes are concerned. Maybe you've been watching sci-fi -- researchers like to play around at times. But in real life -- there are in-born processes in the human body that take care Of genetic code problems. But people born with such anomilies can't reproduce. A lot die at an early age. And, yes, I've done a bit of studying in that area.

Evolutionists claim that mutations over time will produce a 'new' being. But it takes millions of years -- which no one can verify Anyway.
It doesnt take test tubes and scientists with microscopes to make genetic manipulations, sometimes fallen angels manipulate genetics with simple means.
 
Loyal
ARe you referring to the debate about the men who cohabitated with beautiful women here on earth -- produced the Mighty men of valor.

And, yes I've heard about one of those theories. Wouldn't be too concerned about that.
 
Loyal
ARe you referring to the debate about the men who cohabitated with beautiful women here on earth -- produced the Mighty men of valor.

And, yes I've heard about one of those theories. Wouldn't be too concerned about that.
No I ARe not. And I am not concerned at all with those theories. I am only concerned with the truth.
 
Loyal
Br.Bear -- That was powerful. He was searching for the Truth -- the truth of God's Word set him free. Even of That.
 
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Br.Bear -- That was powerful. He was searching for the Truth -- the truth of God's Word set him free. Even of That.
Greetings Sue,

yes.

Here is a song by that same man. It is (in my little opinion) really quite nice to listen to. What i do sometimes is leave a song playing over and again and OPEN a new tab to continue with my 'work'.



Bless you ....><>
 
Loyal
There is definitely a Lot of 'opinion' about the 'gay' community and the Church. "gay" is easier than getting all those letters in the right order. <sigh>
 
Active
Hello Hello!

I have recently been put through something that has questioned my place at my church.
So I have come here to gain some perspective and help me with what I am struggle with.

There seems to be a divide between the church community and the LGBQT community that no one talks about.
I am wondering what your opinions are on accepting the LGBQT community into the church.
Would this make you uncomfortable?
Would you be accepting?
Would it be okay to have a leader within the church who was apart of the LGBQT community?

There are no right or wrong answers l, I truly want to know your opinion on the matter.
The people on Talk Jesus are supposedly Christians, and as such are called to abide by the written Word of God. As Christians we are not called to judge our fellow man, so if we meet a homosexual or an LGBQT person we are called to treat them as people made in the image of God, and so revere them. However their practices are a different matter, sexual deviation is, according to scripture an abomination to God, who called man to take a wife and create children, so to accept LGBQT practices would be against the very faith that saves us. As a message to the LGBQT people, salvation is on offer to all of us, but not on our terms, it will always be on Jesus' terms. For me to gain my salvation, I had to turn from my sin, sins that for years had been part of my make up, many of which I enjoyed. I couldn't overcome them all at once, I had to pray constantly for grace, I still do, but over the years with the help of grace from the Lord, my life has changed and I now walk in a freedom I never thought I would have. I pray the Lord is as kind and gracious to you as he was to me. bless you.
 
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Dear Brother,
Awesome & thanks for sharing it.

What I received from it, which is really just the tip of the iceberg.

Connection: Made in the image of God.
Wrath of God at the Cross. Love behind the Cross.
Evangelism: Christ Crucified.
Spiritual reality - The Gospel.
Before and after Christ.

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
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"THIS IS THE REASON WHY”

This explains the reason why the Bible says, those who practice same-sex relationships (“homosexuals”) shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. Those who practice or condone LGBTQ activity prevent themselves from being conformed to the image of Jesus Christ to be a son and heir of the Kingdom of GOD in heaven because such relationships are contrary to the Law of Righteousness and the likeness of the Lord Jesus Christ, Who is the image of the invisible GOD, Whose image we are being made into, from glory to glory, world without end.

So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them (Genesis 1:27). We are what GOD designed us to be. Our gender is GOD given and we should not try to change our gender by the use of drugs or by mutilating our body, which is the temple of the Holy Spirit.

Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; (1 Timothy 4:1). Those who think they are something other than what GOD created them to be are either deceived by doctrines of devils, are being influenced by seducing spirits, or are not of a sound mind.

He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God and he shall be My son (Revelation 21:7).

I have spoken these things to you so that you might have peace in Me. In the world you shall have tribulation, but be of good cheer. I have overcome the world (John 16:33). Because Jesus Christ overcame the world, we too will overcome the world as we are made in His image to be a “son” and heir of GOD.



What is “the world” we need to overcome and what does it mean “to overcome the world?” Do not love the world or the things in the world. If anyone loves the world, the love of the Father is not in him. For all that is in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—is not of the Father but is of the world (1 John 2:15-17). We overcome (gain the victory over) the things of the world (lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and pride of life) as God forgives and cleanses (purifies) us of unrighteousness (sin) as we repent and confess our sins and Christ is formed in us to become a son and heir of God.


Who is he who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God (1 John 5:5)?
If we believe in the name of the Son of God, the Holy Spirit of the Son and God the Father indwells us, and we overcome the world as Jesus Christ is formed in us by following His Holy Spirit to become a son of God.


He who overcomes (the world) shall be clothed in white garments, and I will not blot out his name from the Book of Life; (Revelation 3:5a). The name of those who overcome the world will not be blotted out of the Book of Life. Jesus Christ overcame the world so that by our receiving His Spirit we too will overcome the world as we are made in His image to be a son and heir of God with our name secured in the Book of Life.


Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortionists will inherit the kingdom of God (1 Corinthians 6:9-10).


The unrighteous (those who practice unrighteousness), shall not inherit the Kingdom of God. By repenting and confessing our sins we overcome worldly sins (the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life – 1 John 2:16) as we are made in the image of Jesus Christ to be a son and heir of God (Revelation 21:7).


..….(God)condemned sin in the flesh: That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit (Romans 8:3b-4). How can we be made in the image of Jesus Christ to become an heir of God if we condone a lifestyle that is not according to the Spirit, but is contrary to the Law of righteousness and the likeness of Jesus Christ?


Because Jesus Christ (Whose image we are made into) followed the Law of Righteousness, we are made the righteousness of God in Christ Jesus by Christ being formed in us by GOD’s grace for our faith as we repent and confess our sins. The Law says it is an abomination for a man to lie with a man as with a woman.


The Son of GOD, Jesus Christ our High Priest, Who is the same yesterday, today, and forever, (Hebrews 13:8) was in all points tempted as we are, yet without sin (Hebrews 4:15b), which is the transgression of the Law (1 John 3:4). You (a male) shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination (Leviticus 18:22). Since same-sex relationships (which are an abomination) are contrary to Christ-like behavior, then how can we be made in His image to be a son and heir of God if we condone or practice same-sex relationships?

For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, (Romans 8:29a).

Whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked (1 John 2:6).

The Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good (Romans 7:12).

He who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct (1 Peter 1:15).



We are under the grace of God for our faith in Jesus Christ to receive the forgiveness of sins, because He redeemed us from the curse of the Law by taking the curse upon Him when He died as a final sacrifice for sins (once for all). There is no condemnation for those in Christ Jesus that live by the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit (Romans 8:1-2, but 13).


We overcome the world (the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and pride of life, 1 John 2:16) by Christ being formed in us, so that the righteousness of the Law might be fulfilled in us, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit (Romans 8:4). Jesus Christ who was born under the Mosaic Law, was without sin (transgression of the Law-1 John 3:4) Hebrews 4:15. The Mosaic law says if a man lies with a male as he lies with a female, both of them have committed an abomination (Leviticus 20:13a). There shall by no means enter it (Holy New Jerusalem) anything that defiles, or causes an abomination or a lie, but only those who are written in the Lamb's Book of Life (Revelation 21:27).


In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother (1 John 3:10).

Those who believe in Jesus Christ to be forgiven of sins and repent of the ways of the world and unrighteousness (sins of the flesh, which includes sexual relationships between men with men and women with women) are born of the Spirit as a child of God when they are forgiven by confessing their sins and continue to spiritually mature to become a son and heir of God with their name secured in the book of life.

I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!' (Matthew 7:23).

Jesus Christ is the image of the invisible God (Colossians 1:15a). We are born of GOD (pass from death unto life) as a child of GOD by being made alive together with the Spirit of Christ when God forgives us by repenting and confessing our sins, as we trust in the name of Jesus Christ to be forgiven. We overcome the world as we are conformed to a likeness of Jesus Christ and His death to be a son and heir of God with our name secured in the book of life. However, if we condone or practice unrighteousness, we hinder our self from being born of the Spirit and saved, and being made in the image of Jesus Christ to become a son and heir of God. Walk in the Spirit, and you shall not fulfill the lust of the flesh (Galatians 5:16).


Those who are Christ's have crucified the flesh with its passions and desires (Galatians 5:24).
There is no condemnation to those in Christ Jesus, who walk according to the Spirit and not after the flesh. For the Law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the Law of sin and death (Mosaic Law). For what the Law could not do in that it was weak through the flesh, God did by sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, on account of sin: He condemned sin in the flesh, that the righteous requirement of the Law might be fulfilled in us who do not walk according to the flesh but according to the Spirit (Romans 8:1-4).


Romans 1:20-32 For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse, (21) because, although they knew God, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. (22) Professing to be wise, they became fools, (23) and changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like corruptible man—and birds and four-footed animals and creeping things. (24) Therefore God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves, (25) who exchanged the truth of God for the lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. (26) For this reason, God gave them up to vile passions. For even their women exchanged the natural use for what is against nature. (27) Likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust for one another, men with men committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the penalty of their error which was due. (28) And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a debased mind, to do those things which are not fitting; (29) being filled with all unrighteousness, sexual immorality, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, evil-mindedness; they are whisperers, (30) backbiters, haters of God, violent, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, (31) undiscerning, untrustworthy, unloving, unforgiving, unmerciful; (32) who, knowing the righteous judgment of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, not only do the same but also approve of those who practice them.


Now the works of the flesh are evident, which are: adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lewdness, idolatry, sorcery, hatred, contentions, jealousies, outbursts of wrath, selfish ambitions, dissensions, heresies, envy, murders, drunkenness, revelries, and the like; of which I tell you beforehand, just as I also told you in time past, that those who practice such things will not inherit the kingdom of God (Galatians 5:19-21).


Decisions/judgments made by the courts and laws passed by the U.S. government concerning LGBTQ relationships can violate our U.S. Constitution First Amendment Freedom of Religion by condemning Christians for not accepting/serving/accommodating those of LGBTQ behavior. This is not a matter of discrimination, but rather, a matter of “walking in the Spirit” to be conformed to a likeness of Jesus Christ to become a son and heir of GOD in the Kingdom of GOD. This is because Christians that condone LGBTQ activity are not “walking in the Spirit as He walked” to overcome the world and become a son and heir of GOD in the Kingdom of GOD by Jesus Christ being formed within.


We are to love our neighbor as ourselves, but that does not mean we are to condone unrighteousness. Christians are not under the authority of the Mosaic Law. However, for a believer to condone LGBTQ activity is contrary to Jesus Christ (whose image we are being made into) because He followed the Law of Righteousness (Mosaic Law) that says it is an abomination for a man to lie with a man as with a woman. (Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;) He who says he abides in Him ought himself also to walk just as He walked. (1 John 2:6).

In the name of the Lord Jesus,............may GOD bless
 
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Hello Hello!

I have recently been put through something that has questioned my place at my church.
So I have come here to gain some perspective and help me with what I am struggle with.

There seems to be a divide between the church community and the LGBQT community that no one talks about.
I am wondering what your opinions are on accepting the LGBQT community into the church.
Would this make you uncomfortable?
Would you be accepting?
Would it be okay to have a leader within the church who was apart of the LGBQT community?

There are no right or wrong answers l, I truly want to know your opinion on the matter.
I am someone who was working at church as a member of the staff team for nearly 5 years, and was removed by the pastor, because they found 'two' gay pictures of me and my ex on my facebook. There were way more but I just forgot to click them as 'private' back then. These pictures were from my past life, but they did not care, because I just kept them. Just imagine their bigoty and hatred. Also, this was an invasion of my privacy and I could have taken a legal action, but I left in peace. As a bi-sexual woman who had a homosexual marriage in the past, I can tell you that I am not happy with either the church community and their purity cult, or the LGBTQ.
 
Active
that which the church Needs to do is emphasize Genesis -- God created man and then woman. Told them to be fruitful and multiply. Marriage is between one man and one woman and there is to be sexual purity Before marriage. That effectively negates same-sex Anything.
Marriage is also between two consenting adults. Love is bigger/older than Genesis.
 
Loyal
@KittyLinda -- Now I understand more -- well -- from a churches' perspective -- I can understand the why's and where'fores OF.

Being a bi-sexual woman -- that means you have no problem with relationships with Either sex and That is Not Scriptural.

As you know FaceBook is open to anyone. So -- it's really your own indiscretions that got you into trouble with the church people.

Marriage is a very serious step in a person's life.

It's Not bigotry or hatred -- as You see it -- it IS the churches belief in Biblical ethics / morality.

You Also realize that nothing in your life is private from God. And everyone will be answering to God for their actions / words.

And I don't understand how a person who says they love the Lord their God with all the heart, mind, soul can Also act / live in a lifestyle that is putrid in God's eyes.

And Since you feel that That was an invasion of your privacy and could have taken legal actions but you left in peace. Well -- that speaks volumes about your attitude towards God. You Want to live your own preferred life style with the blessings of the church -- well -- any church that upholds God's Word isn't going to have that happening.
 
Loyal
Marriage is also between two consenting adults. Love is bigger/older than Genesis.

Marriage was created by God in Genesis -- Adam and Eve. Society says that 'love' is between two consenting adults. God says differently.

Genesis = the beginning. Nothing is Older than Genesis. Genesis 1:1 "In the Beginning God created..... "

You're trying to rationalize your personal desires by wanting to 'over-ride' God's Word. Well -- you're free to do whatever you want to. But you Will be -- like all of us -- answering to God.
 
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@KittyLinda -- Now I understand more -- well -- from a churches' perspective -- I can understand the why's and where'fores OF.

Being a bi-sexual woman -- that means you have no problem with relationships with Either sex and That is Not Scriptural.

As you know FaceBook is open to anyone. So -- it's really your own indiscretions that got you into trouble with the church people.

Marriage is a very serious step in a person's life.

It's Not bigotry or hatred -- as You see it -- it IS the churches belief in Biblical ethics / morality.

You Also realize that nothing in your life is private from God. And everyone will be answering to God for their actions / words.

And I don't understand how a person who says they love the Lord their God with all the heart, mind, soul can Also act / live in a lifestyle that is putrid in God's eyes.

And Since you feel that That was an invasion of your privacy and could have taken legal actions but you left in peace. Well -- that speaks volumes about your attitude towards God. You Want to live your own preferred life style with the blessings of the church -- well -- any church that upholds God's Word isn't going to have that happening.
Love is not a preferred lifestyle. Yes. Nothing is private from God and I will answer to God for my sins, not to these churches. He created me this way.

It is bigotry and hate crime, because they did not care that these pictures were from my past. I was not with this person and I was not in same-sex relationship. If you can't see how that is not right with God, then I won't bother with you. There are literally crimes against gays on a daily basis. Stop being heartless. You can say it is a sin, but it stops there. By the way the killing/murdering of gays is not ok with God.
 
Loyal
I am someone who was working at church as a member of the staff team for nearly 5 years, and was removed by the pastor, because they found 'two' gay pictures of me and my ex on my facebook. There were way more but I just forgot to click them as 'private' back then. These pictures were from my past life, but they did not care, because I just kept them. Just imagine their bigoty and hatred. Also, this was an invasion of my privacy and I could have taken a legal action, but I left in peace. As a bi-sexual woman who had a homosexual marriage in the past, I can tell you that I am not happy with either the church community and their purity cult, or the LGBTQ.

"As a bi-sexual woman who had a homosexual marriage in the past..." Bi-sexual suggests that you are okay with relationships with either another woman or a man.
 
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Marriage was created by God in Genesis -- Adam and Eve. Society says that 'love' is between two consenting adults. God says differently.

Genesis = the beginning. Nothing is Older than Genesis. Genesis 1:1 "In the Beginning God created..... "

You're trying to rationalize your personal desires by wanting to 'over-ride' God's Word. Well -- you're free to do whatever you want to. But you Will be -- like all of us -- answering to God.
God is love. His love is older than Genesis and society has evolved much. Yes, our society and legality also says love or marriage is between two consenting adults. You can not change it. The church lost a long time ago. however, you are free to call it a sin. Nobody really cares anymore. Why do you pick on one group and do not mention the sins of others? Lying, murder, and stealing are also sins.
 
Loyal
God's Word / authority will Always be more important than Society.

God's Word Needs to be our final authority. Society varies with the direction of the wind -- so to speak. God's Word is Stability.

God's Word calls sin - sin. Maybe that's the biggest problem -- people don't care what God's Word says. God's Word Also tells us that there is heaven or hell in each person's future and That will last forever. And God's Word tells us how to be able to be in heaven or end up in hell.
 

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