THE CHARACTER of GOD, the Father of everyone.

[wordsponge]

Moses knows about the TWO Gods.

Exod.34
[5] The LORD (Jesus #2, the Son of GOD) descended,
in the cloud,
and stood there with Moses,
and (the LORD #2)
proclaimed the name (the character) of
the LORD, >> (the Living Father, #1)
[6] and the LORD (# 2, the Son) passed by,
before Moses,
and he proclaimed:
+
The LORD (#1; the Everlasting Father)
The Lord GOD (the Most High #1)
(is),, merciful and gracious,
Longsuffering
and abundant in goodness (graciousness) and truth (facts),
+
[7] Keeping mercy for thousands,
forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin,
and who will,
by no means clear the (premeditated) guilty.
Visiting the iniquity of the (fore) fathers,
upon the children
and upon the children's children,
to the third and to
the fourth generation (under the first Covenant)
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[8] and Moses made haste
and >> bowed his head toward the earth
and worshipped (the TWO, the Father and the Son)
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[9] Moses said:
If I have now found grace in your sight
O LORD,
let my Lord, I pray you, go among us
because it is a stiff necked people
and pardon our iniquity and our sin,
and take us for your inheritance >>
+++
Christianity openly declares BOTH the Father and the Son.

2Pet.1
[2] Grace and peace be multiplied to you (CHRISTIANS)
through the knowledge (awareness) of GOD, (#1)
and knowledge of Jesus our (Israelite) Lord (#2)

2 John.1
[9] Whoever transgresses,
and who does not abide
in the Doctrine (Teachings) of Christ, (the LORD from Heaven)
does not have GOD (the Father)
+
He who abides in the Doctrine of Christ,
has BOTH,
the Father (#1) and the Son (#2)
+++
Why didn’t Israel know about the Father and the Son?

 

[clark thompson]

It uses Lord for both which shows there is but one Lord with different roles.

 

[RJ]

Moses knows about the TWO Gods.

Exod.34
[5] The LORD (Jesus #2, the Son of GOD) descended,
in the cloud,
and stood there with Moses,
and (the LORD #2)
proclaimed the name (the character) of
the LORD, >> (the Living Father, #1)
[6] and the LORD (# 2, the Son) passed by,
before Moses,
and he proclaimed:
+
The LORD (#1; the Everlasting Father)
The Lord GOD (the Most High #1)
(is),, merciful and gracious,
Longsuffering
and abundant in goodness (graciousness) and truth (facts),
+
[7] Keeping mercy for thousands,
forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin,
and who will,
by no means clear the (premeditated) guilty.
Visiting the iniquity of the (fore) fathers,
upon the children
and upon the children's children,
to the third and to
the fourth generation (under the first Covenant)
+
[8] and Moses made haste
and >> bowed his head toward the earth
and worshipped (the TWO, the Father and the Son)
+++
[9] Moses said:
If I have now found grace in your sight
O LORD,
let my Lord, I pray you, go among us
because it is a stiff necked people
and pardon our iniquity and our sin,
and take us for your inheritance >>
+++
Christianity openly declares BOTH the Father and the Son.

2Pet.1
[2] Grace and peace be multiplied to you (CHRISTIANS)
through the knowledge (awareness) of GOD, (#1)
and knowledge of Jesus our (Israelite) Lord (#2)

2 John.1
[9] Whoever transgresses,
and who does not abide
in the Doctrine (Teachings) of Christ, (the LORD from Heaven)
does not have GOD (the Father)
+
He who abides in the Doctrine of Christ,
has BOTH,
the Father (#1) and the Son (#2)
+++
Why didn’t Israel know about the Father and the Son?

• I think the orthodox Israelites and perhaps many today had/have the idea of the Messiah as being a political deliverer who was supposed to free Israel from Roman oppression; they didn't/don't recognize him as a spiritual deliverer.
• Also, it is God's will and fits his devine purpose: Acts 13:47 "The people of Jerusalem and their rulers did not recognize Jesus, yet in condemning him they fulfilled the words of the prophets that are read every Sabbath".

 

[wordsponge]

It uses Lord for both which shows there is but one Lord with different roles.

Nice try...

 

[wordsponge]

• I think the orthodox Israelites and perhaps many today had/have the idea of the Messiah as being a political deliverer who was supposed to free Israel from Roman oppression; they didn't/don't recognize him as a spiritual deliverer.
• Also, it is God's will and fits his devine purpose: Acts 13:47 "The people of Jerusalem and their rulers did not recognize Jesus, yet in condemning him they fulfilled the words of the prophets that are read every Sabbath".

+++
Natural Israel is out of the picture.
Spiritual Israel is doing the Teaching.
He was the incarnation of the God of Israel, the Son of the Highest..

 

[Davy]

Hi Wordsponge. You comments on Exodus 34:5-9, indicate that this scripture is also referring to Jesus. This is not what a number of authoritative bible reference works states.

According to BIBLE KNOWLEDGE COMMENTRY, Old testament 1985, states: "Exodus 34:5-9. On the mountain Moses experienced a new vision of the glory of God as Testator of the covenant. In fulfilment of His promise (33:19), God revealed His name (His character) to Moses. God told Moses that His name Yahweh (the LORD) means that He is a God of compassion, grace, loyalty, faithfulness, reliability and forgiveness. This information adds to what was said earlier about His name (cf. comments on Ex 3:13-14). Yahweh is the name that suggests God's relationship with His people. Some or all of these attributes of Yahweh are cited seven other times in the Old Testament (Numbers 14:18; Nehemiah 9:17; Psalms 86:15; 103:8; 145:8; Joel 2:13; Jonah 4:2). In response to this disclosure of God's character Moses... worshiped Him, then pleaded for His mercy for such a stiff-necked people, as God had called them (32:9; 33:3,5). Moses also asked that God again promise to go with them (cf. 33:3,12,14), thereby renewing His promise to dwell among His people and own them as His inheritance (cf. Deut 4:20). (from Bible Knowledge Commentary/Old Testament Copyright © 1983, 2000 Cook Communications Ministries; All rights reserved.)

According to BARNS NOTES, commenting on Exodus 34:6-7, states: This was the second revelation of the name of the God of Israel to Moses. The first revelation was of Yahweh as the self-existent One, who purposed to deliver His people with a mighty hand (Ex 3:14); this was of the same Yahweh as a loving Saviour who was now forgiving their sins. The two ideas that mark these revelations are found combined, apart from their historical development, in the second commandment, where the divine unity is shown on its practical side, in its relation to human obligations (compare Ex 34:14; 20:4). Both in the commandment and in this passage, the divine love is associated with the divine justice; but in the former there is a transposition to serve the proper purpose of the commandments, and the justice stands before the love. This is strictly the legal arrangement, brought out in the completed system of the ceremonial law, in which the sin-offering, in acknowledgment of the sentence of justice against sin, was offered before the burnt-offering and the peace-offering. But in this place the truth appears in its essential order; the retributive justice of Yahweh is subordinated to, rather it is made a part of, His forgiving Love (see Ex 32:14 note). The visitation of God, whatever form it may wear, is in all ages the working out purposes of Love toward His children. The diverse aspects of the divine nature, to separate which is the tendency of the unregenerate mind of man and of all paganism, are united in perfect harmony in the Lord Yahweh, of whom the saying is true in all its length and breadth, "God is love" (1 John 4:8). It was the sense of this, in the degree to which it was now revealed to him, that caused Moses to bow his head and worship (Ex 34:8). But the perfect revelation of the harmony was reserved for the fullness of time when "the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world" (Rev 13:8) was made known to us in the flesh as both our Saviour and our Judge. (from Barnes' Notes, Electronic Database Copyright © 1997, 2003, 2005, 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All rights reserved.)

According to the MATTHEW HENRY'S COMMENTARY, commenting on Exodus 34:5-9, he states: That the God with whom we have to do is a great God. He is Jehovah, the Lord, who has his being of himself, and is the fountain of all being, Jehovah-El, the Lord, the strong God, a God of almighty power himself, and the original of all power. This is prefixed before the display of his mercy, to teach us to think and to speak even of God's grace and goodness with great seriousness and a holy awe, and to encourage us to depend upon these mercies; they are not the mercies of a man, that is frail and feeble, false and fickle, but the mercies of the Lord, the Lord God; therefore sure mercies, and sovereign mercies, mercies that may be trusted, but not tempted. (from Matthew Henry's Commentary on the Whole Bible, PC Study Bible Formatted Electronic Database Copyright © 2006 by Biblesoft, Inc. All Rights reserved.)

Moses is speaking about Jehovah or Yahweh, not Jesus!

 

[RJ]

It uses Lord for both which shows there is but one Lord with different roles.

It is another of God's mysteries.
Just like Jesus was very man and very God at the same time, he is part of the triune God: Father, Son and Holy Spirit...all separate and at the same time all God.

 

[james1523]

Moses knows about the TWO Gods.

Exod.34
[5] The LORD (Jesus #2, the Son of GOD) descended,
in the cloud,
and stood there with Moses,
and (the LORD #2)
proclaimed the name (the character) of
the LORD, >> (the Living Father, #1)
[6] and the LORD (# 2, the Son) passed by,
before Moses,
and he proclaimed:
+
The LORD (#1; the Everlasting Father)
The Lord GOD (the Most High #1)
(is),, merciful and gracious,
Longsuffering
and abundant in goodness (graciousness) and truth (facts),
+
[7] Keeping mercy for thousands,
forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin,
and who will,
by no means clear the (premeditated) guilty.
Visiting the iniquity of the (fore) fathers,
upon the children
and upon the children's children,
to the third and to
the fourth generation (under the first Covenant)
+
[8] and Moses made haste
and >> bowed his head toward the earth
and worshipped (the TWO, the Father and the Son)
+++
[9] Moses said:
If I have now found grace in your sight
O LORD,
let my Lord, I pray you, go among us
because it is a stiff necked people
and pardon our iniquity and our sin,
and take us for your inheritance >>
+++
Christianity openly declares BOTH the Father and the Son.

2Pet.1
[2] Grace and peace be multiplied to you (CHRISTIANS)
through the knowledge (awareness) of GOD, (#1)
and knowledge of Jesus our (Israelite) Lord (#2)

2 John.1
[9] Whoever transgresses,
and who does not abide
in the Doctrine (Teachings) of Christ, (the LORD from Heaven)
does not have GOD (the Father)
+
He who abides in the Doctrine of Christ,
has BOTH,
the Father (#1) and the Son (#2)
+++
Why didn’t Israel know about the Father and the Son?

I read the first line of your post and disagree there is two God's, there is only one God and His name is Jesus Christ.

Whoever abides in the Doctrine of Christ, has both the Father and the Son, because they are both one and the same God. How can one thing equal two things, if those two things, are not the same as each other?

The Israelites did not know about the Son as a second God because there is no such thing.

 

[eddieb]

Word sponge you asked how come israel didnt know about the father and son?

first because The Son hadnt come amd when He did they wernt looking for the sacrifical lamb they where looking for the Lion Of Judah to come and roar and set things right on the earth. To rule with a rod of iron, to cut off from the earth all these non israelites. Evidenc3 can be found in amos 5:18 where it says woe unto you who desire the day of the Lord! To what end is it for you? The day of the lord is darkness and not light.
Isreal desired the day of the Lord. Also keep in mind how much of scripture didnt come alive inside even those hand picked by Jesus and that even walked with Him until in the book of acts when pentecost came.

 

[wordsponge]

The only authority is Jesus, not the consensus of men.

Consensus of men ruled Jesus worthy of death...
Men of GOD, know how to lead one to MAKE contact with Jesus >>>

The best to you...

 

[wordsponge]

Ok...

Force is never used by the children of the Highest..

 

[DHC]

Ok...

Force is never used by the children of the Highest..

How do you confirm that your view is in fact the correct view?

 

[james1523]

The Scripture is clear that there is only one God and one Lord, not two.

Ephesians 4:4-6 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

 

[wordsponge]

The Scripture is clear that there is only one God and one Lord, not two.

Ephesians 4:4-6 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called;5one Lord, one faith, one baptism;6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all.

That is TRUE for people who do not know who Jesus is.
Before GOD and Christ, how many do you see here, below?
John.1
[1] In the beginning the Word existed,
and the Word was with GOD (the Most High),
and the Word was God.
[2] The same (God) was in the beginning with GOD.

I understand your stance..
I do not want to advise you...
Regards to you..

 

[james1523]

That is TRUE for people who do not know who Jesus is.
Before GOD and Christ, how many do you see here, below?
John.1
[1] In the beginning the Word existed,
and the Word was with GOD (the Most High),
and the Word was God.
[2] The same (God) was in the beginning with GOD.

I understand your stance..
I do not want to advise you...
Regards to you..

I see only one there. The Word was with God and was God, indicating they are the same. John 10:30 says they are the one God.

Rom 9:5 and Heb 1:8 and 1 John 5:20 show that Christ is the one complete true God, not the second God of two Gods.

Isaiah 45:6 says there is no one else except the one true God.

There has only ever been one true God.

The one Spirit, the one Lord and the one Father, are all the one and same God (Ephesians 4:4-6). They are all different names/aspects of the one God.

 

[wordsponge]

My personal experience is:
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John.14
[21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
[22] Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord,
how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
[23] Jesus answered and said unto him,
if a man loves me, he will keep my words:
and my Father will love him, and we (BOTH) will come unto him,
and make our abode with him
++
A person has to be correctly baptized first.
+++
I am having trouble posting the baptism details.
I have to try another way...
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Jesus, our LIGHT, teaches us directly...
Everyone loves GRACE...

May our Father lead you by Jesus, .>>

 

[james1523]

My personal experience is:
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John.14
[21] He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them,
he it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father,
and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
[22] Judas saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord,
how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
[23] Jesus answered and said unto him,
if a man loves me, he will keep my words:
and my Father will love him, and we (BOTH) will come unto him,
and make our abode with him
++
A person has to be correctly baptized first.
+++
I am having trouble posting the baptism details.
I have to try another way...
+++
Jesus, our LIGHT, teaches us directly...
Everyone loves GRACE...

May our Father lead you by Jesus, .>>

The Father and the Son both come as the one Spirit who is the one true God (John 4:24, John 14:15 , 2 Cor 3:17).

 

[wordsponge]

Did the Scripture say that?
How many are worshipped in Heaven?
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The Worship of GOD, the Highest the Father, who never died.
Rev.4
Holy, Holy, Holy, Lord GOD Almighty, (the good Father),
who was and who is and who is to come.
[9] When the (4) beasts give:
glory (praise)
and honour (high regard)
and thanks (for all good gifts)
to the Highest who sat on the throne,
who lives forever and ever (and never dies)
[10] then the twenty four (24) elders >> fall down (on all fours) before the Highest,
who sat on the throne,
and worshiped him (happily and humbly),
who lives forever and ever.
They cast their crowns, in front of, the throne (of the Most High and good GOD) saying:
[11] O LORD (GOD), you are >> worthy << to get
glory (acknowledgment and high regard from the creation)
and honour (from the entire creation)
and power (to rule above all)
for you have created all things, (by Jesus Christ your Power and your Wisdom).
All things are and were created, (by Jesus),
to bring you (the good GOD), pleasure (happiness).

The Worship of the Son, the lamb, who is the Mighty God of Israel.

Rev.5
[6] I beheld and lo,
in the midst of the throne (with GOD) and the four (4) beasts,
and in the midst of the (24) elders,
a Lamb, like it (he) had been >> killed, stood
having seven (7) horns and seven (7) eyes,
that are the seven (7) Spirits of GOD,
that are sent forth into the entire earth (and in the holy people).
[7] The lamb came and took the Book from the right hand of GOD, (the Highest)
who sat upon the throne.
[8] When he, the lamb (the Mighty God), had taken the book,
the four (4) beasts together with the twenty (24) elders,
every one of them having harps (musicians)
and golden vials full of odors, that are the prayers of saints,
>> fell down before (worshipped) the Lamb (the HEAD of the Church).
[9] They (28) sung a new song (of praise to Jesus) saying:
You are worthy, (have merited),
to take the Book and to open its seals,
for you were slain (for our sins)
and by your blood, you (the seed of Abraham),
have redeemed us to GOD (the Highest),
out of every kindred and tongue and people and nation
[10] and you have made us Kings and Priests, (a Royal Priesthood),
to our GOD (the Highest)
and we (Kings and Priests of the Highest GOD),
shall reign (over all people) on the earth.
[11] I (John) saw and I heard >> the voice << of many angels (saved ones)
who gathered around the throne (of GOD)
and the (4) beasts and the (24) elders:
and the number of them (the angels) was ten thousand times ten thousand,
and thousands of thousands
[12] shouting with a (united) loud voice:
The Lamb who was slain is worthy to be rewarded (from GOD)
Power >> (all power in Heaven and on the earth)
and Riches (Spiritual and material, as GOD’s inheritor)
and Wisdom (from the 7 Spirits)
and strength (from the 7 Spirits)
and honour (from GOD and man)
and glory (from GOD and man)
and blessing (happiness from GOD and man, forever.

 

[wordsponge]

James...
I cannot go to page 2...
I will try later...

Take care ..

 

[wordsponge]

We must not force the Scriptures ...