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I am non denominational. I have no commitment to any ONE denomination. I like to explore all the doctrine men have made based on the equations God has given in scripture. I know scripture is profitable for doctrine=making it.
I believe based on the equations man is able to conclude the sum obviously with the Holy Spirit. The Bible gives 1+2 and we form a doctrine out of that formula which is the sum of what the Word is saying . Example the Holy Trinity, though not there in word exact, is there in equation, we deduce the sum. So with scripture I decided to test all existing doctrine.

I believe all the denominations have something to share in truth and also possess falsehoods, some more than others. What is true is the Word, that is what I solely stand on and tout.
Christianity in my opinion is not a denomination but rather an experience throughout history. I believe there have been true believers in all of them. Those therefore are in them not of them. For a true believer is only of Christ.

With that, the first doctrine I want to test:
The Theotokos=God Bearer. Is Mary the God Bearer. To Bear is to give birth. Does the Word support this doctrine that man has made believing the equation is in the Word to come up with this sum?
Did Mary give birth to God? I think this can be understood by understanding The Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit being the three Divine ways in which God reveals Himself .

So, what say you?
 
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I mentioned the council of Nicea in a response to you yesterday. Another thing the council of Nicea did was come up with the Nicene creed.
(You can google it). Basically this is "the test" for Christian denominations. There are some slight variations in the wording of some versions.


WE BELIEVE in one God,
the Father, the Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light,
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through him all things were made.

For us and for our salvation
he came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
he became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man.

For our sake he was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
he suffered death and was buried.
On the third day he rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
he ascended into heaven
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.

He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and his kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son he is worshiped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the forgiveness of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead,
and the life of the world to come.



In response to Mary being the mother of God... which existed first Mary or God? Which was created Mary or God?
Jesus didn't come into existence when Mary gave birth to Him. In fact He created the earth and everything else.
He even created Mary.


John 1:3; All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.

Col 1:16; For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things have been created through Him and for Him.
Col 1:17; He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together.


1 Cor 8:6; yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.

John 1:10; He was in the world, and the world was made through Him, and the world did not know Him.

Note * - the word "catholic" in the Nicene creed doesn't mean "Roman Catholic" church. The world catholic simply means "global".
 
To me it is simple , is she called the mother of our Lord in scripture and is Christ God and is he called her Son?
Mary Visits Elizabeth Luke 1:42-44
…42In a loud voice she exclaimed, “Blessed are you among women, and blessed is the fruit of your womb! 43And why am I so honored, that the mother of my Lord should come to me? 44For as soon as the sound of your greeting reached my ears, the baby in my womb leaped for joy.…
Is the Lord God?:
Isaiah 9:6-
6For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and the government will be upon His shoulders. And He will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

The Beginning
John 1:1-5

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4In Him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
John 1:14

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


The Birth of Jesus Matthew 1:22-24
…22All this took place to fulfill what the Lord had said through the prophet: 23“Behold! The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and they will call Him Immanuel” (which means, “God with us”). 24When Joseph woke up, he did as the angel of the Lord had commanded him, and embraced Mary as his wife.…
Matthew 1:22-24
And knew her not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.


Now is Jesus God? Did Elisabeth call Mary the MOTHER of her Lord? Is the Lord called her SON in the Word.
I know what the Nicene Creed is and what Catholic means. I also know what play on words is.
Now , either scripture contradicts itself and the WORD lies, or mans interpretation is wrong. Which is it?
Anyone can cherry pick from scripture and put what they want of it into a basket, and try to present it as the full truth all they want.
So now , I have cherry picked from scripture what is relevant to the discussion . So which is it contradiction (The WORD) or man?

No doubt He made everything including Mary, so did he make Mary to be His mother? And again is He God?
 
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Jesus is fully God and fully man (human).

Jesus had to be born as a "Son of man" in order to redeem the world. (Also to be our high priest)
Jesus as a man was born of a woman. Jesus as God was not born of a woman or anyone else.
Jesus as a man died on the cross. Jesus as God never died.


So yes, Mary is the mother of incarnate (human) Jesus.
No Mary is not the mother of God.


Jesus being "born of Mary" had absolutely nothing to do with His deity. He was God before He was born as a man.
But Jesus being born of a woman obviously had a lot to do with His "human-ness".
 
Jesus is fully God and fully man (human).

Jesus had to be born as a "Son of man" in order to redeem the world. (Also to be our high priest)
Jesus as a man was born of a woman. Jesus as God was not born of a woman or anyone else.
Jesus as a man died on the cross. Jesus as God never died.


So yes, Mary is the mother of incarnate (human) Jesus.
No Mary is not the mother of God.
So she is not Theotokos =God Bearer ( in your opinion)means having given birth to God the Son. So Christ is not God? In Your opinion how did he become fully man, and does this make him any less
the Lord, as is what Elisabeth call's Him after calling Mary His Mother. So he is not God come in the flesh=God Incarnate in your opinion?
 
I am not convinced The Theotokos Title should be discarded. The title Theotokos (in Greek, Θεοτόκος) is a Greek word that means "God-bearer" or "Birth-giver to God."
 
For me to discard the title Theotokos, you would have to convince me that Christ is not God. Oh and by the way that is impossible, so moving on.
Is Mary the Ark of the Covenant this of course is a RCC Title for her, the other an Orthodox. Is she the Ark of the Covenant and does scripture
support this title?
 
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I am not convinced The Theotokos Title should be discarded. The title Theotokos (in Greek, Θεοτόκος) is a Greek word that means "God-bearer" or "Birth-giver to God."
Where is the scripture in the Bible that specifically states she is "theotokos"? Is this Bible or some churches tradition?
 
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For me to discard the title Theotokos, you would have to convince me that Christ is not God. Oh and by the way that is impossible, so moving on.
Is Mary the Ark of the Covenant this of course is a RCC Title for her, the other an Orthodox. Is she the Ark of the Covenant and does scripture
support this title? [/QUOTE]

Again.. show this to us in scripture. Is it scripture or tradition?
 
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For me to discard the title Theotokos, you would have to convince me that Christ is not God. Oh and by the way that is impossible, so moving on.
Is Mary the Ark of the Covenant this of course is a RCC Title for her, the other an Orthodox. Is she the Ark of the Covenant and does scripture
support this title?
Again.. show this to us in scripture. Is it scripture or tradition?[/QUOTE]
Is the Title Holy Trinity scripture or tradition? Do the math.
The Great Commission Matthew 28:18-20
…18Then Jesus came to them and said, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to Me. 19Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, 20and teaching them to obey all that I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.”…

I already shown you the scripture which supports this Title.
Unless you think Christ is not God?
As for my next question pertaining to an Ark, which is a vessel in which the Word is put into, along with the Rod of Arron =iron scepter of rule and manna , that is what was put in the OC ark. Is she the New Covenant Ark?
Do the scriptures support this title?
 
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I already shown you the scripture which supports this Title.
No, you showed me where He is called God, and you showed me where he was born of Mary.
You did not show where He was born as God.
Mary has nothing to do with Jesus's deity.
 
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For me to discard the title Theotokos, you would have to convince me that Christ is not God. Oh and by the way that is impossible, so moving on.
Is Mary the Ark of the Covenant this of course is a RCC Title for her, the other an Orthodox. Is she the Ark of the Covenant and does scripture
support this title?
Again.. show this to us in scripture. Is it scripture or tradition?[/QUOTE]
At least you say you speak for we, meaning the beliefs of this forum. It is clear what denomination is at rule here. Now honesty can be the basis of this relationship for the purpose of sharing beliefs.
I have been up front. We will probably find common ground in testing the doctrine of Mary's perpetual physical Virginity and the meaning of the word 'Until" and if she had other children.
But first addressing the precious gems I am collecting concerning Titles given her based on scripture .
 
No, you showed me where He is called God, and you showed me where he was born of Mary.
You did not show where He was born as God.
Mary has nothing to do with Jesus's deity.
Really?
The Beginning
John 1:1-5

1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2He was with God in the beginning. 3Through Him all things were made, and without Him nothing was made that has been made. 4In Him was life, and that life was the light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
John 1:14

14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Either He is God Incarnate or He is not, simple.
 
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Jesus asked.....

Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Although Mary was Jesus's biological mother according to the flesh, Jesus points out that spiritual relationships are much more binding, and everlasting. Anyone who does the will of God the Father is Jesus's mother, brother, and sister.
 
One in Christ Philippians
…2then make my joy complete by being of one mind, having the same love, being united in spirit and purpose. 3Do nothing out of selfish ambition or empty pride, but in humility consider others more important than yourselves. 4Each of you should look not only to your own interests, but also to the interests of others.…

I am of the mind frame of Philadelphia= Brotherly Love, this interestingly enough is what Philippians means too. I am not here to hate any one denomination. I am just a truth seeker and only gather the silver, gold and precious gems out of denominations. I understand what God has done and why He did not put all His eggs , if you will -into one basket. He knows man better than man knows himself. Out of selfish ambition man seeks to dominate the Word and have authority over the other- IMPOSSIBLE! God is the ONLY AUTHORITY.
God has therefore scattered His treasures among all. Those who truly love TRUTH gather that. In this end of the age of sin, the meat will be kept and the bones will be left for the denominations to fight over. Those who show brotherly love will be the only people preserved. It is the End Times and I get it.

Michael's Deliverance and the End Times Daniel 12:3-5
…3Then the wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars forever and ever. 4But you, Daniel, shut up these words and seal the book until the time of the end. Many will roam to and fro, and knowledge will increase.” 5Then I, Daniel, looked and saw two others standing there, one on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank.…
 
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Jesus's blood is the covenant. The old testament "ark" contained the law. The new covenant is Jesus's sacrifice (blood)

Matt 26:28; for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins

Mark 14:24; And He said to them, “This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

Luke 22:20; And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.

1 Cor 11:25; In the same way He tookthe cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

Heb 9:19; For when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people according to the Law, he took the blood of the calves and the goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people,
Heb 9:20; saying, “This is the blood of the covenant which God commanded you.
Heb 9:21; And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood.
Heb 9:22; And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.

The ark of the covenant also had the two angels and the mercy seat, this was kept in the Holy of Holies (except when traveling around)
The priest had to sprinkle blood on the mercy seat. ( Lev 16:14-15; )

Heb 9:23; Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24; For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;
Heb 9:25; nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own.

Jesus applied His blood to the mercy seat in heaven. Not merely a "copy" of the temple, but the true temple in heaven.

Mary has nothing to do with the temple in heaven, or the mercy seat in heaven.

Heb 9:2; For there was a tabernacle prepared, the outer one, in which were the lampstand and the table and the sacred bread; this is called the holy place.
Heb 9:3; Behind the second veil there was a [d]tabernacle which is called the Holy of Holies,
Heb 9:4; having a golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden jar holding the manna, and Aaron’s rod which budded, and the tables of the covenant;
Heb 9:5; and above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat; but of these things we cannot now speak in detail.
Heb 9:6; Now when these things have been so prepared, the priests are continually entering the outer tabernacle performing the divine worship,
Heb 9:7; but into the second, only the high priest enters once a year, not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the sins of the people committed in ignorance.


Heb 9:11; But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
Heb 9:12; and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
Heb 9:13; For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh,


Jesus is the ONLY mediator. There is no mediatrix.

Heb 9:15; For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
 
Jesus asked.....

Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Although Mary was Jesus's biological mother according to the flesh, Jesus points out that spiritual relationships are much more binding, and everlasting. Anyone who does the will of God the Father is Jesus's mother, brother, and sister.
This is my point- are you misinterpreting this and believe He is discounting His birth mother and His brothers ? He would not break His own commandments, "Honor thy Father and thy mother".
scripture does not contradict itself. If He is called Mary's Son and she is called the mother of the Lord, in parts of scripture, and through your interpretation is being denounced in others, you are saying the scriptures contradicted each other.

I say your interpretation contradicts the Word.
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. Are you saying it is the Fathers will to dishonor Mary?

Mat 12:49 And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren! He calls them this why? Because they do the Fathers will in heaven

Mat 12:48 But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren? well He tells us who His mother and brethren are- those who do the Will of His Father in Heaven. Through this false interpretation you have been indoctrinated by through the tradition of the father -in -laws you think Christ is disrespecting His chosen earthly mother. Not true!

Full context of the dialogue:
Jesus' Mother and Brothers

31Then Jesus’ mother and brothers came and stood outside. They sent someone in to summon Him, 32and a crowd was sitting around Him. “Look,” He was told, “Your mother and brothers are outside, asking for You.”

33But Jesus replied, “Who are My mother and My brothers?” 34Looking at those seated in a circle around Him, He said, “Here are My mother and My brothers! 35For whoever does the will of God is My brother and sister and mother.”
Did Mary do the will of His Father in Heaven? Yes, so is He saying she is not His mother?
Why did they stop Him from speaking, because they thought it was more important for Him to acknowledge His mother and brothers than to acknowledge them. They held them in high esteem. and Christ is telling them that those who do the will of His Father in Heaven are too like His mother and brothers, sisters, to aspire to their highest good.He would not break His own commandments and disregard prophecy concerning what was purposed for His mother and contradict Himself. This is why when I say I understand the Titles given Mary- because they are Title given to all who do the will of His Father in heaven and are like His mother- A God Bearer = bring Christ forth to others, arks of the covenant which means we are Holy vessels unto God in which His word is placed upon our hearts and minds. But this was done in her first, Blessed among woman and the least called greater than John the Baptist because she is a woman.

Jesus Testifies about John Matthew 11:10-12
…10This is the one about whom it is written: ‘Behold, I will send My messenger ahead of You, who will prepare Your way before You.’ 11Truly I tell you, among those born of women there has risen no one greater than John the Baptist. Yet even the least in the kingdom of heaven is greater than he. 12From the days of John the Baptist until now, the kingdom of heaven has been subject to violence, and the violent lay claim to it.…

Mourning Turned to Joy Jeremiah 31:32-34
…32It will not be like the covenant I made with their fathers when I took them by the hand to lead them out of Egypt—a covenant they broke, though I was a husband to them,” declares the LORD. 33“But this is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after those days, declares the LORD, I will put My law in their minds and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they will be My people. 34No longer will each man teach his neighbor or his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ because they will all know Me, from the least of them to the greatest, declares the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity and will remember their sins no more.”…
Ezekiel 11:19
19 And I will give them one heart, and a new spirit I will put within them. I will remove the heart of stone from their flesh and give them a heart of flesh,
The heart of stone is removed because now the Word is written on the heart of flesh not tablets of stone.
Ezekiel 36:26
26 And I will give you a new heart, and a new spirit I will put within you. And I will remove the heart of stone from your flesh and give you a heart of flesh.

Christian Living
11Therefore encourage and build one another up, just as you are already doing. 12But we ask you, brothers, to acknowledge those who labor among you, who preside over you in the Lord and give you instruction. 13In love, hold them in highest esteem because of their work. Live in peace with one another.…
Do Mary and the apostles preside in the Lord? Do they labor among us to this day? From whom do we get the original teachings of Christ? If the Word is among us they who are in the Word are too among us


It is NOT the Fathers will to disregard and show no esteem for Mary and the Apostles, that would be to contradict the Word. So your understanding and interpretation must be wrong if it is disregarding other parts of the Word.
For God is not the author of confusion but the father of lies is . Misinterpretation therefore , is the only contradiction, and is a stumbling block to the faith. Mary is Christ first perfected work of Christianity and can not be cut off that would not be to do the Will of his Father. In Mary who too is a type example- is what Christ church will be.
 
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John 7:3; Therefore His brothers said to Him, “Leave here and go into Judea, so that Your disciples also may see Your works which You are doing.
John 7:4; For no one does anything in secret [when he himself seeks to be known publicly. If You do these things, show Yourself to the world.”
John 7:5; For not even His brothers were believing in Him.
John 7:6; So Jesus *said to them
, “My time is not yet here, but your time is always opportune.
 
Jesus's blood is the covenant. The old testament "ark" contained the law. The new covenant is Jesus's sacrifice (blood)

Matt 26:28; for this is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for forgiveness of sins

Mark 14:24; And He said to them, “This is My blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many.

Luke 22:20; And in the same way He took the cup after they had eaten, saying, “This cup which is poured out for you is the new covenant in My blood.

1 Cor 11:25; In the same way He tookthe cup also after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood; do this, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

Heb 9:19; For when every commandment had been spoken by Moses to all the people according to the Law, he took the blood of the calves and the goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people,
Heb 9:20; saying, “This is the blood of the covenant which God commanded you.
Heb 9:21; And in the same way he sprinkled both the tabernacle and all the vessels of the ministry with the blood.
Heb 9:22; And according to the Law, one may almost say, all things are cleansed with blood, and without shedding of blood there is no forgiveness.


The ark of the covenant also had the two angels and the mercy seat, this was kept in the Holy of Holies (except when traveling around)
The priest had to sprinkle blood on the mercy seat. ( Lev 16:14-15; )


Heb 9:23; Therefore it was necessary for the copies of the things in the heavens to be cleansed with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.
Heb 9:24; For Christ did not enter a holy place made with hands, a mere copy of the true one, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us;
Heb 9:25; nor was it that He would offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the holy place year by year with blood that is not his own.


Jesus applied His blood to the mercy seat in heaven. Not merely a "copy" of the temple, but the true temple in heaven.

Mary has nothing to do with the temple in heaven, or the mercy seat in heaven.

Heb 9:2; For there was a tabernacle prepared, the outer one, in which were the lampstand and the table and the sacred bread; this is called the holy place.
Heb 9:3; Behind the second veil there was a [d]tabernacle which is called the Holy of Holies,
Heb 9:4; having a golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden jar holding the manna, and Aaron’s rod which budded, and the tables of the covenant;
Heb 9:5; and above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat; but of these things we cannot now speak in detail.
Heb 9:6; Now when these things have been so prepared, the priests are continually entering the outer tabernacle performing the divine worship,
Heb 9:7; but into the second, only the high priest enters once a year, not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the sins of the people committed in ignorance.


Heb 9:11; But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things to come, He entered through the greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this creation;
Heb 9:12; and not through the blood of goats and calves, but through His own blood, He entered the holy place once for all, having obtained eternal redemption.
Heb 9:13; For if the blood of goats and bulls and the ashes of a heifer sprinkling those who have been defiled sanctify for the cleansing of the flesh,


Jesus is the ONLY mediator. There is no mediatrix.

Heb 9:15; For this reason He is the mediator of a new covenant, so that, since a death has taken place for the redemption of the transgressions that were committed under the first covenant, those who have been called may receive the promise of the eternal inheritance.
Protestant play book.
No man is a mediator between God the Father and man except Christ.But men in Christ are mediators between Christ and man. If not, then why preach the Risen Christ.
me·di·a·tor
ˈmēdēˌādər/
noun
noun: mediator; plural noun: mediators
  1. a person who attempts to make people involved in a conflict come to an agreement; a go-between.
    synonyms:arbitrator, arbiter, negotiator, conciliator, peacemaker, go-between, middleman, intermediary, moderator, intervenor, intercessor, broker, honest broker, liaison officer;

  2. Jesus Appears to the Disciples
    John 20:19-23

    19It was the first day of the week, and that very evening, while the disciples were together with the doors locked for fear of the Jews, Jesus came and stood among them. “Peace be with you!” He said to them. 20After He had said this, He showed them His hands and His side.

    The disciples rejoiced when they saw the Lord.

    21Again Jesus said to them, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent Me, so also I am sending you.” 22When He had said this, He breathed on them and said, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23If you forgive anyone his sins, they are forgiven; if you withhold forgiveness from anyone, it is withheld.”


    As means in like manner;
  3. Matthew 28:19-20
    19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, to the close of the age.”

  4. (As) means- in like manner so forth and so on to the close of the age. If not a mediator between Christ and man then who are you a mediator between? Are you advocating for Christ or your own doctrine? those in Christ are all mediators between Him and man and are advocates for the cause.
  5. ad·vo·cate
    noun
    noun: advocate; plural noun: advocates
    ˈadvəkət/
    1. 1.
      a person who publicly supports or recommends a particular cause or policy.
      synonyms:champion, upholder, supporter, backer, promoter, proponent, exponent, spokesman, spokeswoman, spokesperson, campaigner, fighter, crusader
    publicly recommend or support.
  6. I am an advocate for public support of Christ as are all the brethren. How about you?
  7. You could not be without those of the foundation who FIRST are.
 
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I say your interpretation contradicts the Word.
Mat 12:50 For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother. Are you saying it is the Fathers will to dishonor Mary?
I think your lifting up Mary the mother of Jesus to a place where she should not be. Yes, she was blessed to have been the physical mother of Jesus, and yes Jesus did honor his mother. Physical birth and life is only temporary, spiritual birth is eternal. The important part was Jesus's Father, because the blood of a child does not come from the mother, only from the father. Every single born again person has God himself birthed within them that came by the seed of the Word of God. Jesus's birth came exactly the same way as Mary said to the angel who brought the Word of God to her, "May it be done unto me according to your word....." (Luke 1:38)
 
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