Substances, is everything on earth created by god allowed for us?

[zeth4500]

i was strolling about on youtube and came across a video of a young woman who had taken psychedelic mushrooms and studied math and she found great uses of it, and so i recall i had handed one friend some long back in high school as i was very much into psychedelics for some years and he explained to me that he had taken a very small amount, called a microdose before heading to school where he was put to draw and design a whole ship engine, and he said to me that it was all so very easy suddenly, it all just came together infront of him
i was reading into a forum where they discuss about this and verses are brought up saying we arent to be living in drunken-ness and to be soberminded, positive effects of this exact substance were mentioned and comparisons with alcohol were made, claiming they didnt drink pure wine back in the time of jesus but half wine- personally i avoid alcohol entirely knowing it can open you up to attacks, although most christians think alcohol is fine in small amounts, i also recall the bible saying its ok in small amounts as it can be healthy to some degree.. like medicine
one could argue intention
leading me to that some of these albeit, very unpopular streetdrugs, such as mushrooms (because you dont get addicted to them like coffee or weed or .. cocaine) has a lot of positive benefits, long ago i saw a video made by a young woman who had battled depression for years and even antidepressants failed her, for YEARS. she took one single gramme and it was just gone
some years ago i still had a bunch of it left and i happened to have a coworker suffering from ADHD so he had some of that, one day we spoke he explained me that he always has very cluttered thoughts but after having a mushroom experience for an entire month these thoughts are just all calmed down and gone

now, with any kind of substance in demonic harassment we have seen that when you give the demons what they want, ie something selfdestructive they will leave you for a while but then come right back again to demand you violate yourself further

im not quite sure if that counts for mushrooms, the times i did take them (long before i was christian i might add....) i generally had good experiences, but after taking something that literally opened a portal to hell the experiences were always just pure torture, just evil visions, very evil and dreadful dark visions. pure hatred coming through. which, could have just been me able to see the spirits hanging around me. for several years i was gravely haunted and like in the movie paranormal activity i was first touched in my bed, if my hand wasnt under blanket, later on it pulled my hand from under the blanket and lastly pulled my leg out but luckily it stopped at that. so im well aware these demons can manifest in entirely physical ways and somewhere down the line i had used substances or delved into the occult to an extent that allowed real demons to partake in my life and even have power to touch my body

to sum up, if one can take a small amount of something and have positive and lasting effect, should we consider it as safe? i know the safe bet would be just to say no, but here we are.. on the internet. not quite christian is it. but yet we utilize it to have great reach and seek loads of information.
the times i microdosed it it had a bit of a funny effect on me, i was in greater mood but certainly no drugged feeling, i felt sober entirely. i was one of the best in the class and i easily passed the exam (interestingly that guy was there with me, who 10 years later became my coworker..)
after using these substances my physical appearance change for the better and i started looking into psychology and naturally my creativity grew yet more, i cant say for sure it was exactly the mushrooms that attracted evil spirits as those i encountered always seemed kind empathic and helpful, and i would get very clear vision of spirits from abandoned homes where i at one point had some short communication with, the first time i had mushrooms i even received a major download of information on how gender and hormones impact humans which later became something i studied day and night for just over a handful of years and to this day still find major use in analyzing and understanding people and especially i doubt i would have succeeded in getting married if i didnt have all this powerful psychological insight not just for my sake but also my wifes sake - it has even extended to breaking down my mothers ego and landed her in a seemingly healthy relationship for once.
i guess i feel a bit bad letting down something that has given me so much.

i never felt especially sinful when using mushrooms, it put me in a great mood that lasted for a long time and made me appreciate nature and being alive, pretty much anything they preach for us to be like in church, i recall also some claims that "manna" in the bible was considered to perhaps have been mushrooms. a strong mushroom experience also tends to crush your ego and humble you, which is yet another thing that makes it the polar opposite of popular drugs such as alcohol, coffee and cocaine especially

so, how would you guys who presumably never have indulged in any such substances decide whether something is entirely to be avoided? how do we quantify it. personally i think ive had more than plenty help from mushrooms and i really dont want any chance of those haunting dark visions back in my life again - but there are surely others who could benefit from it, but should it be allowed by any means? theres many examples of harmful drugs being used in small amounts for surgery and diseases

if at a loss of what to answer at least pray that god will show me the clear answer

 

[zeth4500]

something came to me, one guy that was quite far down in hell had an awakening, "Roosh V", he essentially forced himself on a number of virgins and was proud about it, he was quite evil- until..

"Valizadeh says that he “received a message while on mushrooms” and has re-committed to the Orthodox Church he was raised in. He says he took “the God pill”, which seems to be a reference to the red pill and blue pill trope from The Matrix, which has more recently been memed by various fringe groups into a metaphor for “waking up” to the “real world”—for example, being “redpilled” means accepting certain conspiratorial beliefs that most people refuse to believe. In Valizadeh’s new paradigm, the “God pill” seems to be a final stage in redpilling."

joe rogan, a hebrew man with talkshow always pressuring people to try DMT has also lately become christian, in the bible there was a burning acacia bush, by memory acacia (bark?) contains 0.7% DMT, while the active ingredient in psychedelic mushrooms as Roosh V took is a form of DMT, DMT-phosphate, while the pure DMT is already produced in our brains and is thought to be what causes us to dream

Revelation 1:5–6 (KJV)
“…Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood, And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.”

1 Peter 2:9 (NLT) — Same truth, royal language:
“But you are not like that, for you are a chosen people. You are royal priests, a holy nation, God’s very own possession...”

Proverbs 31:4–5 (NLT)
“It is not for kings, O Lemuel, to guzzle wine. Rulers should not crave alcohol. For if they drink, they may forget the law and not give justice to the oppressed.”

so, we are not to have our minds not be sober, however psychedelics is one type of substance that gets you ultra sober, and able to see things you normally wouldnt. opening you up to evil influence indeed, but so does furthering yourself with god.

 

[B-A-C]

There a re number of verses that say drinking alcohol is OK.
However there are even more verses that say don't be drunk. Don't go to drunken parties.
Don't carouse. Drunkenness is dissipation.

You need to be in control of your mind. Psychedelic drugs cause you loose you faculties.

 

[Rhema]

comparisons with alcohol were made, claiming they didnt drink pure wine back in the time of jesus but half wine-

People make up stupid stories all the time. Wine was wine.

its ok in small amounts as it can be healthy to some degree.. like medicine
one could argue intention

Alcohol kills germs. But humanity didn't really know about the germ theory of disease until, what, mid to late 1800's?

some years ago i still had a bunch of it left

I gather, then, that you have experience.

im well aware these demons can manifest in entirely physical ways and somewhere down the line i had used substances or delved into the occult to an extent that allowed real demons to partake in my life and even have power to touch my body

Or you might just have had a seizure. Sometimes it's difficult to know. I've only ever met four real actual demons in my life. But I also don't go hunting for them.

to sum up, if one can take a small amount of something and have positive and lasting effect, should we consider it as safe?

Not even approved and tested medications are "safe." Everything has side effects on the human body, and truly it is a tradeoff.

The antibiotic Penicillin is actually mold vomit that mold spores use to kill bacteria. You can't take it continually, because it then kills off bacteria that you gut actually needs.

we utilize it to have great reach and seek loads of information.

Don't believe everything you read. Even peer reviewed medical journals. My daughter became distraught with life when she realized that 80% of the medical research papers were fiction (PhD medical research program at Pitt.)

i never felt especially sinful when using mushrooms,

They're great to eat on steak.

i recall also some claims that "manna" in the bible was considered to perhaps have been mushrooms

Can't agree.

God does hate weed, though.
(About a half hour)

 

[zeth4500]

Psychedelic drugs cause you loose you faculties

i think theres a vast difference in the specific substances. if you say LSD- i would totally agree, ive seen many who take that and become very narcissistic and dont make any mental progress- my friend who lost his mind to exactly LSD told me that its some evil stuff

I gather, then, that you have experience.

loads, hence why i question if its viable and not sinful

The antibiotic Penicillin is actually mold vomit that mold spores use to kill bacteria. You can't take it continually, because it then kills off bacteria that you gut actually needs.

all medicine is poison to some extent yes, anything taken in excess becomes poison.

My daughter became distraught with life when she realized that 80% of the medical research papers were fiction (PhD medical research program at Pitt.)

you mean replication crisis? yea research has been nonsense since probably.. the 80s, hence why they still cant disprove solid science such as 2D4D finger digit prediction hormones while modern research has equal papers saying the opposite

God does hate weed, though.

yes its a lustful substance, it makes you more emotional. it makes you weak. it makes you lazy. it makes you hungry, honestly its probably all the deadly sins that you get to experience as a buzz. i have sometimes had very creepy hallucinations using THC, even seeing horns on my own face in a dark reflection once despite it being a very positive experience that night - i think weed vs mushrooms proves exactly my stance on mushrooms, theres a huge difference in substances.