Speaking in Tongues: A Sign for Nonbelievers

[ozell]

That was extremely clear don’t you think?

Thus far we have seen that Paul reiterates that if a word is spoken in the church, all should understand what is being said.

And if one speaks in a foreign language, have another to interpret or it will not profit the assembly.

(For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 1 Corinthians 14: 33)


Let’s take a look at one more set of verses. Pay close attention to what is being said.

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
(1 Corinthians 14:21-22)

In conclusion, tongues are for a sign to them that believe not. For the Bible tells us that "an evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign" (Matthew 12:39), but prophesying is for believers of the Bible.

May the Lord add a blessing to the reading of His word, in Jesus' name A-men.

 

[jiggyfly]

I have no ideal on what you are talking about.

what is your point or answer to the lesson.

we know God understand all languages he created them.

So in the 2nd verse when someone is speaking in an unknown tongue who are they speaking to???

 

[jiggyfly]

That was extremely clear don’t you think?

Thus far we have seen that Paul reiterates that if a word is spoken in the church, all should understand what is being said.

And if one speaks in a foreign language, have another to interpret or it will not profit the assembly.

(For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 1 Corinthians 14: 33)


Let’s take a look at one more set of verses. Pay close attention to what is being said.

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
(1 Corinthians 14:21-22)

In conclusion, tongues are for a sign to them that believe not. For the Bible tells us that "an evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign" (Matthew 12:39), but prophesying is for believers of the Bible.

May the Lord add a blessing to the reading of His word, in Jesus' name A-men.

Not at all, you have taken many things out of their context and ignored some key scriptures on the topic just to fit your opinion.

Why not go back and cover 1 Cor. Chapter 12 in context.

 

[RJ]

I do have the gift of speaking in tongues. I have seen this subjest cause a great debate over many years. I have witnessed soild Christian leaders in the Assembly of God say they speak in tongues. I agree to subject new Christians, or for that matter older Christians, to the notion that they must speak in tongues to prove they are born again is not Biblical.

How do we as Christians reach a common ground in which we can work together in some kind og harmony? As solidly as I am on my belief that tongues is not required for complete salvation, so are those who believe the other way. Is there any resolution between the two view points?

There has been and most likely will always be distance between these two groups in the beliefe about tongues. But, the Bible clearly says we are to love one another. What do communities do about working in ministry with a community of beleivers> Do we call tongue talkers a culy? No way do we disfellowship with each other. Our common bond is the Lord Jesus Christ. Sure there are some abrasive edges between the two views.

The key to fellowship is allow each other freedon to disagree without being disagreeable. We need to be sensitive to being loving to each other, ans showing the love we have for eacher, so those watching us will see the Lord Jesus working within our community of believers.

I agree.
Sadly, there are some, even those who post threads to this discussion have refused to agree to disagree. I have said to them: " at least we can agree to disagree" and there answer to me " no they would not agree to disagee"!

Furthermore, when I ask them to provide scipture to support a point of their's, there answer was: " no, they told me to find it myself"!:shock:

 

[gdemoss]

Hi Ozell, been reading along and noticed you said the scriptures are Genesis through Malachi. You don't believe any of the New Testament are considered scriptures? Or am I understanding you wrong?

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.(2 Pe 3:16)

Peter when writing of Pauls letters call them scriptures.

Or do you see this some other way?

 

[ozell]

=gdemoss;189698]Hi Ozell, been reading along and noticed you said the scriptures are Genesis through Malachi. You don't believe any of the New Testament are considered scriptures? Or am I understanding you wrong?

there was not New testament when Jesus or the apostles walked the earth.

they were reading the OT, Moses and the prophets.

the scriptures a from Genesis to Malachi.

the NT is the testimony.

As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.(2 Pe 3:16)

Peter when writing of Paul's letters call them scriptures.

Or do you see this some other way?

Peter call Paul's writing epistles.

Peter is referring to the prophets writing as other scriptures

read it again and keep mind the NT was not compiled yet.

 

[ozell]

Not at all, you have taken many things out of their context and ignored some key scriptures on the topic just to fit your opinion.

Why not go back and cover 1 Cor. Chapter 12 in context.

J

how about reading God's word the way God told man to read his word


Isaiah 28

<SUP>9</SUP>Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

<SUP id=en-KJV-18175 class=versenum></SUP>
<SUP class=versenum>10</SUP>For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
<SUP id=en-KJV-18176 class=versenum></SUP>
<SUP class=versenum>11</SUP>For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
<SUP id=en-KJV-18177 class=versenum></SUP>
<SUP class=versenum>12</SUP>To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. <SUP id=en-KJV-18178 class=versenum></SUP>
<SUP class=versenum>13</SUP>But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken

this is how you teach knowledge according to God

show me in God's word where he says teach in context?

show me the kiey verses i ignored?

 

[ozell]

So in the 2nd verse when someone is speaking in an unknown tongue who are they speaking to???

<SUP>2</SUP>For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

unto God

J

why is it that these people who sepak in tongue speak it loud enough for man to hear it?

and if man hears it what are these people suppose to do?

<SUP>27</SUP>If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

<SUP id=en-KJV-28707 class=versenum>28</SUP>But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

in other words shut up.

 

[ozell]

I do have the gift of speaking in tongues. I have seen this subjest cause a great debate over many years. I have witnessed soild Christian leaders in the Assembly of God say they speak in tongues. I agree to subject new Christians, or for that matter older Christians, to the notion that they must speak in tongues to prove they are born again is not Biblical.

How do we as Christians reach a common ground in which we can work together in some kind og harmony? As solidly as I am on my belief that tongues is not required for complete salvation, so are those who believe the other way. Is there any resolution between the two view points?

There has been and most likely will always be distance between these two groups in the beliefe about tongues. But, the Bible clearly says we are to love one another. What do communities do about working in ministry with a community of beleivers> Do we call tongue talkers a culy? No way do we disfellowship with each other. Our common bond is the Lord Jesus Christ. Sure there are some abrasive edges between the two views.

The key to fellowship is allow each other freedon to disagree without being disagreeable. We need to be sensitive to being loving to each other, ans showing the love we have for eacher, so those watching us will see the Lord Jesus working within our community of believers.

this lesson has nothing to do with love or agreeing with one another.

the facts are written on the doctrine of speaking in tongue

<SUP>27</SUP>If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

<SUP id=en-KJV-28707 class=versenum>28</SUP>But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

and

<SUP id=en-KJV-28701 class=versenum>22</SUP>Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.

there is no reason to agree or disagree there is nothing to agree or diesgree about the word og God is very clear on speaking in tongues,

 

[jiggyfly]

<SUP>2</SUP>For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

unto God

J

why is it that these people who sepak in tongue speak it loud enough for man to hear it?

and if man hears it what are these people suppose to do?

<SUP>27</SUP>If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.

<SUP id=en-KJV-28707 class=versenum>28</SUP>But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.

in other words shut up.

I'm sure that's how you interpret it because you ignore what Paul said few lines later.
39 So, my dear brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and don’t forbid speaking in tongues.
1 Cor 14:39 (NLT)

Seems your conclusion is contrary to Paul's but I am not surprised.
Again why not start where Paul started in his instruction to the Corinthians on this matter? Start in beginning of Chapter 12.

 

[jiggyfly]

J

how about reading God's word the way God told man to read his word


Isaiah 28

<SUP>9</SUP>Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

<SUP id=en-KJV-18175 class=versenum></SUP>
<SUP class=versenum>10</SUP>For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:
<SUP id=en-KJV-18176 class=versenum></SUP>
<SUP class=versenum>11</SUP>For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people.
<SUP id=en-KJV-18177 class=versenum></SUP>
<SUP class=versenum>12</SUP>To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith ye may cause the weary to rest; and this is the refreshing: yet they would not hear. <SUP id=en-KJV-18178 class=versenum></SUP>
<SUP class=versenum>13</SUP>But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken

this is how you teach knowledge according to God

show me in God's word where he says teach in context?

show me the kiey verses i ignored?

You just quoted it, what do you think line upon line means??? Don't misread it either, it is line upon line, not line by line.

You are taking scriptures out of their context and twisting their meaning to fit your own opinion. You need to read the forum rules here at TJ.

Again start with chapter 12 in 1 Cor. Your attempting to reduce the supernatural gift of speaking in tongues given by HolySpirit into something natural and carnal.

 

[ozell]

I'm sure that's how you interpret it because you ignore what Paul said few lines later.
39 So, my dear brothers and sisters, be eager to prophesy, and don’t forbid speaking in tongues.
1 Cor 14:39 (NLT)

Seems your conclusion is contrary to Paul's but I am not surprised.
Again why not start where Paul started in his instruction to the Corinthians on this matter? Start in beginning of Chapter 12.

pay attention J

if there is no interpreter Paul says keep silence(shut up)

start in chapter 12

when you get to chapter 14 those who speak in tongues are told to shut up if there is no interpreter and speaking in a unknown tongue is for non- believers and it edifies NO ONE.

this we read and no interpretation is needed.

 

[ozell]

You just quoted it, what do you think line upon line means??? Don't misread it either, it is line upon line, not line by line.

You are taking scriptures out of their context and twisting their meaning to fit your own opinion. You need to read the forum rules here at TJ.

Again start with chapter 12 in 1 Cor. Your attempting to reduce the supernatural gift of speaking in tongues given by HolySpirit into something natural and carnal.

J

no matter how you try to convince others and yourself your read what the Lord said on how to teach knowledge.

J

i'm quoting the bible and you are trying to discredit the word of God because of a lack of understanding and promotion of doctrine.

do the forum rules state that I can't quote the bible?

what is it that you can't understand?

show me the word context in the bible ONE TIME jiggy, only one time.

 

[Kit Carson]

Well lets look at it with some common sense. God has a lot of common sense agreed?? He is the perfect and most intelligent being ever , he created the earth and all life. So I figure he is pretty smart.

So if I go to a church or an assembly say in China and cannot understand a word and some member in a church speaks to me in my English language and I can understand it, hey if I am a non believer I will believe and or at least listen and understand. If I were to speak to them and speak Chinese and or some language all can understand, then the non believer will at least listen and would understand. Agreed??

Now if I walk into a charismatic church and men, women, and children and the preacher all go into some form of non comprehensible gibberish and fall over backwards and roll around and get the shakes I will for sure think Satan is present. I will not comprehend a word and it will scare me and I will run. Lol!

I see this in modern ways, all speaking in some gibberish that no one can understand, so what is the purpose of it??

None that I can see, it only does exactly create confusion and disorder.

This kind of thing is not of God, it is men themselves that have trained themselves to respond in these manners.

I can do this also, I can go to the mailbox and talk up a storm, non stop and it is a half mile walk each way, and not even the birds know what I say, it is something one learns one can do, and put a little music with it, a little emotion and someone to control things a bit and there ya go, total self induced confusion.

So you all believe what you wish, I know for a fact 99 percent of it is false and self induced.

You see God gave me a brain, and said use it. Watch for false things and test them all.

This day in age one has to, there are too many self searching agendas around.

There are a lot of Benny Hinns around too, and many who aspire to be like him. Many who are fanatics and do not seek the truth.

Yesterday we saw on T.V. on the news, a South Carolina History show on the Educational channel, this feller a preacher said he had a medical practice and also that God was calling him to be a preacher. So he prayed for an answer. He had an accident and lost one of his eyes. So he says, God answered my prayer by taking one of my eyes.......so he had to abandon his practice.....

I mean ya know....why did not God just come to him in a dream or something and speak with him, for sure he did not take his eye.

Common sense......he seems to have died and went to heaven. Kit

 

[ozell]

how do we teach knowledge according to the bible?


Isaiah 28

<SUP>9</SUP>Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

<SUP id=en-KJV-18175 class=versenum></SUP>
<SUP class=versenum>10</SUP>For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:


this is not hard to understand

lets look at what Paul understanding of this verse

Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.



are we told to read in context or are we to rightly divide God's word here a little and there a little?

why not try reading God's word the way he said reading God's word.

I guarantee you He will increase your knowledge.

 

[ozell]

Well lets look at it with some common sense. God has a lot of common sense agreed?? He is the perfect and most intelligent being ever , he created the earth and all life. So I figure he is pretty smart.

So if I go to a church or an assembly say in China and cannot understand a word and some member in a church speaks to me in my English language and I can understand it, hey if I am a non believer I will believe and or at least listen and understand. If I were to speak to them and speak Chinese and or some language all can understand, then the non believer will at least listen and would understand. Agreed??

Now if I walk into a charismatic church and men, women, and children and the preacher all go into some form of non comprehensible gibberish and fall over backwards and roll around and get the shakes I will for sure think Satan is present. I will not comprehend a word and it will scare me and I will run. Lol!

I see this in modern ways, all speaking in some gibberish that no one can understand, so what is the purpose of it??

None that I can see, it only does exactly create confusion and disorder.

This kind of thing is not of God, it is men themselves that have trained themselves to respond in these manners.

I can do this also, I can go to the mailbox and talk up a storm, non stop and it is a half mile walk each way, and not even the birds know what I say, it is something one learns one can do, and put a little music with it, a little emotion and someone to control things a bit and there ya go, total self induced confusion.

So you all believe what you wish, I know for a fact 99 percent of it is false and self induced.

You see God gave me a brain, and said use it. Watch for false things and test them all.

This day in age one has to, there are too many self searching agendas around.

There are a lot of Benny Hinns around too, and many who aspire to be like him. Many who are fanatics and do not seek the truth.

Yesterday we saw on T.V. on the news, a South Carolina History show on the Educational channel, this feller a preacher said he had a medical practice and also that God was calling him to be a preacher. So he prayed for an answer. He had an accident and lost one of his eyes. So he says, God answered my prayer by taking one of my eyes.......so he had to abandon his practice.....

I mean ya know....why did not God just come to him in a dream or something and speak with him, for sure he did not take his eye.

Common sense......he seems to have died and went to heaven. Kit

all I ask for is the use of common sense or what the Lord ask us to do when dealing with him

Isaiah 1:18
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+1:17-19&version=KJVI speak english, what edification can Hebrew, Greek, Spanish, Chinese or Russia benifit me if I don't understand the tongue.

common sense

yet now I being told to go read the forum rules because some people lack understanding or common sense.

 

[JonahofAkron]

That was extremely clear don&rsquo;t you think?

Thus far we have seen that Paul reiterates that if a word is spoken in the church, all should understand what is being said.

And if one speaks in a foreign language, have another to interpret or it will not profit the assembly.

(For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints. 1 Corinthians 14: 33)


Let&rsquo;s take a look at one more set of verses. Pay close attention to what is being said.

In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord. Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe.
(1 Corinthians 14:21-22)

In conclusion, tongues are for a sign to them that believe not. For the Bible tells us that "an evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign" (Matthew 12:39), but prophesying is for believers of the Bible.

May the Lord add a blessing to the reading of His word, in Jesus' name A-men.

For what it's worth, I wholeheartedly agree with you on this.

 

[JonahofAkron]

You just quoted it, what do you think line upon line means??? Don't misread it either, it is line upon line, not line by line.

You are taking scriptures out of their context and twisting their meaning to fit your own opinion. You need to read the forum rules here at TJ.

Again start with chapter 12 in 1 Cor. Your attempting to reduce the supernatural gift of speaking in tongues given by HolySpirit into something natural and carnal.

If the context of the Spirit's ministration is evangelizing, who is taking the verses out of context? I assure you that it is not Ozell. When congregations drop the evangelizing nature of the gifts of the Spirit, they lose focus and use the gifts for 'natural and carnal' purposes.

 

[ozell]

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<SUP>1 Corinthians 14

22</SUP>Wherefore tongues are for a sign, not to them that believe, but to them that believe not: but prophesying serveth not for them that believe not, but for them which believe

 

[jiggyfly]

how do we teach knowledge according to the bible?


Isaiah 28

<SUP>9</SUP>Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breasts.

<SUP id=en-KJV-18175 class=versenum></SUP>
<SUP class=versenum>10</SUP>For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:


this is not hard to understand

lets look at what Paul understanding of this verse

Timothy 2:15
Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.



are we told to read in context or are we to rightly divide God's word here a little and there a little?

why not try reading God's word the way he said reading God's word.

I guarantee you He will increase your knowledge.

Reading it in context is rightly dividing.