Sons of God

[Admon Mikha'el]

I agree that it doesn't say He walked through doors or walls. It also doesn't say He can appear and disappear at will.

You and Jerry are adamant that Jesus did not walk through a locked door.....Where does it say explicitly that He did not?

 

[Butch5]

You and Jerry are adamant that Jesus did not walk through a locked door.....Where does it say explicitly that He did not?

It doesn't. But we know people can't walk through doors. It just seems like common sense to say He didn't walk through the door. Why would anyone think He did?

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

It doesn't. But we know people can't walk through doors. It just seems like common sense to say He didn't walk through the door. Why would anyone think He did?

Some people like to see everything spelled out for them on a grade school level, but some people are adults operating at an adult level, studying the bible and other adult level books that go along with the bible...Some people don't need everything spelled out for them at a grade school level but are capable of extrapolating from the information given. Some people are not afraid to dig into history and archaeology and other areas to get a complete picture of the world, and the Word, and how we, as Christians, fit into it. Some people are not cynical concerning the Word and do not put God into a box. That's why.

 

[JerryfromMass]

I agree that it doesn't say He walked through doors or walls. It also doesn't say He can appear and disappear at will.

The Word does say Jesus appeared and then was not. How could Jesus appear iand disappear f it was not his will to do so?

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

The Word does say Jesus appeared and then was not. How could Jesus appear iand disappear f it was not his will to do so?

Where does it say that?

 

[JerryfromMass]

You and Jerry are adamant that Jesus did not walk through a locked door.....Where does it say explicitly that He did not?

Jesus appeared and disappeared at will. He did not walk through walls and doors like Casper the friendly ghost

 

[BunnyOnion]

No it doesn't. Mere speculation.

The judgement of speculation applies in denying Jude 1 speaks of angels unnatural (carnal) relations with humans only when the one making such a charge hasn't bothered to read Jude 1.

 

[JerryfromMass]

Where does it say that?

Do you deny the fact that Jesus could appear and disappear?

 

[Butch5]

Some people like to see everything spelled out for them on a grade school level, but some people are adults operating at an adult level, studying the bible and other adult level books that go along with the bible...Some people don't need everything spelled out for them at a grade school level but are capable of extrapolating from the information given. Some people are not afraid to dig into history and archaeology and other areas to get a complete picture of the world, and the Word, and how we, as Christians, fit into it. Some people are not cynical concerning the Word and do not put God into a box. That's why.

I don't see how that answers the question. Walking through a door isn't the only option. As I said, He could have walked through a wall. As we have evidence in Scripture of God supernaturally moving people from one place to another, why wouldn't we assume that as the logical way that Jesus got into the room. Why would we assume something that we have no evidence for, over that which we have evidence for? The Bible says that Jesus was made like His brethren in all ways. He brethren can't walkthrough walls.

 

[Butch5]

The Word does say Jesus appeared and then was not. How could Jesus appear iand disappear f it was not his will to do so?

God. Philip baptized the Eunuch. When the Eunuch came up out of the water Philip was gone. He was found in a city away from where he baptized the Eunuch. Surely Philip couldn't appear and disappear at will. We're told that the Spirit whisked him away. The Spirit, per God, could have whisked Jesus away.

 

[JerryfromMass]

The judgement of speculation applies in denying Jude 1 speaks of angels unnatural (carnal) relations with humans only when the one making such a charge hasn't bothered to read Jude 1.

Jude :6 and :7 are mutually exclusive statements: one speaks of fallen angels, the other of fallen humans. You are twisting scripture to fit your narrative of angels having sex with human women. It's all speculative and unbiblical.

 

[Brad Huber]

Jude 1 speaks of angels having engaged in sex with humans.

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Angels werent made to have children. They joined with women because they couldnt and wanted to have children, probably for pleasure as well. As I said, the seed of life is different though, not so sure they were capable of creating it like they did the bodies. But there are ways around that, become a female succubus, take the seed of a man, manipulate it, and then use the form of a man to implant it into a woman.

 

[JerryfromMass]

God. Philip baptized the Eunuch. When the Eunuch came up out of the water Philip was gone. He was found in a city away from where he baptized the Eunuch. Surely Philip couldn't appear and disappear at will. We're told that the Spirit whisked him away. The Spirit, per God, could have whisked Jesus away.

Philip was not the incarnate God, Jesus was.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

God. Philip baptized the Eunuch. When the Eunuch came up out of the water Philip was gone. He was found in a city away from where he baptized the Eunuch. Surely Philip couldn't appear and disappear at will. We're told that the Spirit whisked him away. The Spirit, per God, could have whisked Jesus away.

This is really sad! Two different situations Philip was moved all right From an open place to an open place... Jesus entered a room with four walls a ceiling and a floor...and the door was locked...Does it matter whether he went through a wall or a door? Really? He went into the room!

 

[JerryfromMass]

This is really sad! Two different situations Philip was moved all right From an open place to an open place... Jesus entered a room with four walls a ceiling and a floor...and the door was locked...Does it matter whether he went through a wall or a door? Really? He went into the room!

Appeared and disappeared at will because Jesus is God.

 

[BunnyOnion]

You and Jerry are adamant that Jesus did not walk through a locked door.....Where does it say explicitly that He did not?

It doesn't. But it can certainly be inferred he did so and by reading the text.

Jesus’ Appearance to the Disciples
John 20:19
Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

The doors were shut for fear of the Jews. This would mean the doors were locked. Because if the Disciples were in fear they'd lock the doors to insure the Jews they feared could not freely enter.
And yet Jesus appeared in their midst.

Before he was crucified Jesus assured his Disciples were he of a mind he could call a band of angels to rescue him from crucifixion.
But this was the cup he was destined to drink from.

Jesus was God.

Do we think a locked door would keep him from entering a room?

 

[JerryfromMass]

It doesn't. But it can certainly be inferred he did so and by reading the text.

Jesus’ Appearance to the Disciples
John 20:19
Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

The doors were shut for fear of the Jews. This would mean the doors were locked. Because if the Disciples were in fear they'd lock the doors to insure the Jews they feared could not freely enter.
And yet Jesus appeared in their midst.

Before he was crucified Jesus assured his Disciples were he of a mind he could call a band of angels to rescue him from crucifixion.
But this was the cup he was destined to drink from.

Jesus was God.

Do we think a locked door would keep him from entering a room?

Jesus appeared and disappeared at will because Jesus is God

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Jude :6 and :7 are mutually exclusive statements: one speaks of fallen angels, the other of fallen humans. You are twisting scripture to fit your narrative of angels having sex with human women. It's all speculative and unbiblical.

Jerry You still seem to think you're smarter than God. Why don't you ask HIM what He means instead of telling Him?

 

[JerryfromMass]

Jerry You still seem to think you're smarter than God. Why don't you ask HIM what He means instead of telling Him?

What does the word "appeared" mean to you? God's word says Jesus appeared, then He was gone. What does that tell you? It tells me he appeared and disappeared at will because Jesus is God. Go ahead, you ask Him. He'll tell you same He told me.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

It doesn't. But it can certainly be inferred he did so and by reading the text.

Jesus’ Appearance to the Disciples
John 20:19
Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you.

The doors were shut for fear of the Jews. This would mean the doors were locked. Because if the Disciples were in fear they'd lock the doors to insure the Jews they feared could not freely enter.
And yet Jesus appeared in their midst.

Before he was crucified Jesus assured his Disciples were he of a mind he could call a band of angels to rescue him from crucifixion.
But this was the cup he was destined to drink from.

Jesus was God.

Do we think a locked door would keep him from entering a room?

You're just speculating...It does not say explicitly?!! Yet you put down the people who you feel are speculating? What goes here on?