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So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree desirable to make one wise,

Loyal
And Adam said:

King James Bible (Genesis)
And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.................[For fear had enter The universe for The 1st. Time] [it was not because he was naked, Adam had SINNED] and Now He is Lying!

And down through time these writers wrote:
Job 28:28
And He said to man, 'Behold, the fear of the Lord, that is wisdom, and to turn away from evil is understanding.'"

Psalm 111:10
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom; all who follow His precepts gain rich understanding. His praise endures forever!

Proverbs 1:7
The fear of the LORD is the beginning of knowledge, but fools despise wisdom and discipline.

"The Salvation Story" and In "The Beginning " it Began Like This. "GENESIS".

Make sure, when you sit down at The Table, Have a Fork in one hand and a Knife in The Other. Because a spoon, will not do. :pensive:
 
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Loyal
And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.................[For fear had enter The universe for The 1st. Time] [it was not because he was naked, Adam had SINNED] and Now He is Lying!
I wonder if this truly was... as the Roman Catholic church says... "the original sin". I suppose as far as the curse to mankind goes, it was.

But had Satan already rebelled against God before he tempted Eve with the fruit? If so, wouldn't that be the "first" sin.

Ezek 28:13; You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering:
The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper;
The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald;
And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets,
Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared.
Ezek 28:14; You were the anointed cherub who covers,
And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezek 28:15; You were blameless in your ways
From the day you were created Until unrighteousness was found in you.

Even Satan was blameless in heaven at one time. "Until unrighteousness was found in you".
 
Loyal
I wonder if this truly was... as the Roman Catholic church says... "the original sin". I suppose as far as the curse to mankind goes, it was.

But had Satan already rebelled against God before he tempted Eve with the fruit? If so, wouldn't that be the "first" sin.

Ezek 28:13; You were in Eden, the garden of God; Every precious stone was your covering:
The ruby, the topaz and the diamond; The beryl, the onyx and the jasper;
The lapis lazuli, the turquoise and the emerald;
And the gold, the workmanship of your settings and sockets,
Was in you. On the day that you were created They were prepared.
Ezek 28:14; You were the anointed cherub who covers,
And I placed you there. You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked in the midst of the stones of fire.
Ezek 28:15; You were blameless in your ways
From the day you were created Until unrighteousness was found in you.

Even Satan was blameless in heaven at one time. "Until unrighteousness was found in you".
it depends if a person believes what he reads in The Bible, and what his viewed of The Bible is, and If They believe that Jesus Created Him The "Adversary" as The Scriptures states: But many do not Believe That Jesus is the Creator of All things visible and invisible on In The Universe and Heaven. and All the Angels that exist, and they all perform their created part in "The SALVATION STORY" for which all things were made. Many believe that he is "Jesus" many say that He is The Son of GOD, But refused to acKnowledge That He is The Christ of GOD The Father and it is understandable, because of The very Words He said:

American Standard Version
All things have been delivered unto me of my Father: and no one knoweth the Son, save the Father; neither doth any know the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son willeth to reveal him.
And too many The term: "GOD is SOVEREIGN" is only a term and a Title. And Not HIS Character.

Note: Satan is only a creature that obey's GOD. And He always will. Their are Single Angels in Heaven have more Power than him. :pensive:
 
Loyal
And too many The term: "GOD is SOVEREIGN" is only a term and a Title. And Not HIS Character.

Note: Satan is only a creature that obey's GOD. And He always will. Their are Single Angels in Heaven have more Power than him
So does this mean, that when you sin, God made you sin? When Satan sinned, God made him sin?
When Adam and Eve ate the fruit, God made them do it, even though He told them not to do it?

A certain Bible verses that say it's God will that all men be saved a lie? Does He really not want some men to be saved?

Does this mean, that all the people God "chose" not to be saved, have an excuse for not receiving Jesus? After all, God never gave them a chance.

1Tim 2:3; This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Tim 2:4; who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2Pet 3:9; The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

Matt 7:21; “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

If everyone is forced to do the will of the Father... that means everyone is going to heaven?
 
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So does this mean, that when you sin, God made you sin? When Satan sinned, God made him sin?
When Adam and Eve ate the fruit, God made them do it, even though He told them not to do it?

A certain Bible verses that say it's God will that all men be saved a lie? Does He really not some men to be saved?

Does this mean, that all the people God "chose" not to be saved, have an excuse for not receiving Jesus?
What Law of God did Satan break? And when did GOD give Him a Law? Even Jesus said: "Peter, Satan has ask to sift you like wheat". JOB: Take that hedge from around him, I will make him curse you to your face. "Ok but don't kill him":eyes: Satan: Ok.
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And God told Adam, [You must not eat and when you do:eyes: you are going to die.].{ [ Your hair is going to fall out, your teeth, you are going to get corns on your toes, and Boils on your behind, nightmares at night, and "Psychotic Episodes"] Now that is a "translation" into the english language. Adam was not under a Law. For the Law had not been written. Adam and Eve did not break the LAW of GOD. Like my Mama told me when I was a Kid, Don't you eat none of Those Green Apples, but when you do, you are going to get sick!:eyes:..... No difference; "and when you do, you are going to DIE" "knowledge and wisdom comes with a cost.
New King James Version
but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for[But] in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die.”
New American Standard Bible
but from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for on the day that you eat from it you will certainly die.”

(Roman 5)BSB
"Therefore, just as sin entered the world through one man, and death through sin, so also death was passed on to all men, because all sinned. For sin was in the world before the law was given; but sin is not taken into account when there is no law. Nevertheless, death reigned from Adam until Moses, even over those who did not sin in the way that Adam transgressed. He is a pattern of the One to come.…"

And what is the "Biblical Definition of the meaning of The word sin: "Miss The Mark"... every christian should know this.

(Ancient Hebrew Research Center)
[JUSTIFY]The Hebrew word for "sin" is חטאה (hhatah, Strong's #2403) and literally means "miss the mark." From my understanding of the Bible, there are two types of sin, accidental and deliberate. I explain it this way. The Hebrew people were a nomadic people and their language and lifestyle is wrapped around this culture. One of the aspects of a nomad is his constant journey from one watering hole to another and one pasture to another. If you are walking on a journey (literal or figurative) and find yourself "lost from the path," which is the Hebrew word רשע (rasha, Strong's #7563), you correct yourself and get back on the path. This was a "mistake" (accidentally missing the mark), but not deliberate. Once you are back on the right path, all is good. However, if you decide to leave the path and make your own, you are again "lost from the path", but this time, being a deliberate act, it is a purposeful mistake (missing the mark on purpose). In the Bible God gives his "directions" (usually translated as "commands") for the journey that his people are to be on. As long as they remain on that journey, they are tsadiq (Strong's #6662, usually translated as "righteous," but literally means "on the correct path"), even if they accidentally leave the path, but return (this is the Hebrew verb shuv, Strong's #7725, usually translated as "REPENTANCE," but literally means "to return") back to the correct path.[/JUSTIFY]
[JUSTIFY][/JUSTIFY]
[JUSTIFY]Note: only for Biblical Information.:pensive:[/JUSTIFY]
[JUSTIFY]We have three enemies[/JUSTIFY]
[JUSTIFY]1. Satan[/JUSTIFY]
[JUSTIFY]2. The Flesh[/JUSTIFY]
[JUSTIFY]3. The World[/JUSTIFY]
[JUSTIFY][/JUSTIFY]
[JUSTIFY]And Satan greatest weapon is "Deception" deceit. You might think she loves you. Or you might think He loves you. You might think they are christians. She can be a devil and you know it, and You will still kiss that creature.:eyes: "help me Jesus" Lord i am one those "ALPHA" males.[/JUSTIFY]
[JUSTIFY]We have to remember these things. Most of the Time our flesh is out greatest enemy. Then The World, last of all is Satan Himself.[/JUSTIFY]
[JUSTIFY](James 1)BSB[/JUSTIFY]
[JUSTIFY]"When tempted, no one should say, “God is tempting me.” For God cannot be tempted by evil, nor does He tempt anyone. But each one is tempted when by his own evil desires he is lured away and enticed. Then after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.…"[/JUSTIFY]
[JUSTIFY][/JUSTIFY]
[JUSTIFY]No argument here, just information.[/JUSTIFY]
 
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So does this mean, that when you sin, God made you sin? When Satan sinned, God made him sin?
When Adam and Eve ate the fruit, God made them do it, even though He told them not to do it?

A certain Bible verses that say it's God will that all men be saved a lie? Does He really not want some men to be saved?

Does this mean, that all the people God "chose" not to be saved, have an excuse for not receiving Jesus? After all, God never gave them a chance.

1Tim 2:3; This is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior,
1Tim 2:4; who desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth.

2Pet 3:9; The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance.

Matt 7:21; “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father who is in heaven will enter.

If everyone is forced to do the will of the Father... that means everyone is going to heaven?

You guys are getting closer and closer I'm impressed.

Eph 1:1" In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of Him who worketh ALL THINGS after the counsel of His own will."

Rom 9:22 "What if God, willing to shew His wrath, and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath (sinners) fitted to destruction: 23- And that He might
make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy (elect), which He had afore prepared unto glory,"

Your questions in 1 Tim 2 are somewhat answered in the Old and New Testaments:

Jeremiah 31:34 "And they shall teach no more every man his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying Know the LORD: for they shall ALL KNOW ME, from the least of them to the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more."

John 1:29 .....Behold the Lamb of God, that taketh away the sin of the world."
By the way, God was not His own Lamb no matter how loud Ploughboy wants to get about it.
The Father is not the Son, and the Son is not the Father. Otherwise we would not be told that the Father is excepted when all things are put under the feet of Jesus, and that even Jesus
Himself is in subjection to the Father. 1 Co 15:27 PS God made Jesus' body, not Jesus. Heb 10:5
Rev 3:14 Jesus speaking ".......These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God." Thus Jesus says He is the Beginning of the creation of God.
The question is what creation? The answer is the first spiritually begotten Son, through whom all the rest of Gods sons will come to everlasting life just as their older brother.
So if He (Jesus) is the beginning of a New race of beings as He says He is then He cannot be the one and only True God. John 17:3

But back to the salvation of all that God wishes to be saved. If God wishes them all to be saved then they will be as He worketh all things after the counsel of His own will. Now He is either
sovereign or He isn't. You decide. If He is then what He wants He gets. If not then He is either unwilling or unable to save all.

1 Tim 2:6 "Who gave Himself
a ransom for ALL, to be testified in due time." Do you suppose that in giving Himself as a ransom for all that God will decide that He wasn't good enough
to get what He gave His life for? Or does man overrule Gods decisions? Or did God lie to Jesus in letting Him say:

John 12:32 "And I, If I be lifter up from the earth shall draw ALL men unto me." Remember as the Father told Him what to say, He spoke. So even though the words came out of Jesus'
mouth they are the words of the Father.

Much more later.
 
Loyal
And we all must remember we are reading "translations" not word for word translations. no such thing, concern the "Original Copied Manuscript" of The "Canon of Scripture" many words in which we read in a translation are new created words and GOD never Spoke, For They had not been invented yet but only "Anthropomorphic" . And The English syntax was created long after the English Germanic Language was even created. then came syntax and grammar came later and evolved. And I will not go into great details concerning "translations" to dishearten the common man.

For GOD is more than powerful, and He controls who gets SAVED. And there is "Enough" Truth in HIS WRITTEN WORD to SAVED The Entire WORLD, including, "The STARS", The MOON, The DOGS, The Roaches, All Trees, all bushes, BUGS, FISH in the SEA, It is enough POWER in the Shed BLOOD of JESUS, it can raise The DINOSAURS from The DEAD! And If GOD said ALL, He meant ALL, The Birds that fly's in the SKY, and Can make a UNIVERSAL for every CREATURE that ever Exist. And Still got Room.
GOD is "SOVEREIGN" The Bible is a "translation" trying to translate something that is "IMPOSSIBLE", INFINITE, and INCOMPREHENSIBLE. But this we do know. GOD does what HE wants and HE is NEVER wrong, If HE saves two people and send everybody else to HELL, He will not shed one tear or even give it a second thought. or even bring it back to mind. HE is GOD! This STORY is about HIS ONLY Begotten SON! We ain't nothing but a GIFT. And he does not have to save the whole world. If he save 2 He is still GOD, If He saved The WHOLE WORLD he still GOD, by saving two or all, It makes No difference or Lighten HIS GLORY.

But many refuse to except who HE IS. And No matter how you think, or how you interpret GOD's WORD, HIS ways ARE NOT OURS. Our thoughts of Kindness is Not HIS. Our Thoughts of LOVE is NOT HIS, Our Thoughts of "SALVATION" are Not HIS. I don't care how much Greek we may know. WE are still in THE SHADES OF DARKNESS. SO, it is nothing but "Pride" when we come to a conclusion how GOD Thinks and what HE MEANS when HE speaks in HIS WORD. And when we do; "GRACE has to step in on our behave" and This Grace is applied to whom HE PLEASES. And there are times, it pleases HIM to SEND many to HELL! For He is GLORIFIED by doing so.

The reason many cannot understand this. Because GOD is INCOMPREHENSIBLE and A finite mind cannot comprehend The Thoughts [Plans] of The INFINiTE.
Even if it is written on paper. Anytime you explain the things of GOD to Humanity and they can understand in plain english what you are saying. You are a person of the WORLD and speaking in worldly fashion, for the WORLD understands the words you are speaking and those words cease to be The Words of GOD although the words are easily understood by The people of This WORLD, whom The ENEMY has PLANTED.

But a few of us has a Special Gift from GOD the FATHER, it is a part of our nature and we was Born with it, in our being, and HE taught us How to speak it. The Gift of "Multilingualism". And He is The only One who can Teach it to us. For not only have we partaken of The Tree to make one wise, we also [some not all] {The Remnant According to GRACE] but some was grafted into The TREE of Life. Notice I said "Grafted".

GOD is Not Angry with SIN! For GOD does Not send, SIN to HELL but he condemn sin in the flesh.."
sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh,
It would be nice if He did send sin to hell, GOD send Sinners to HELL! Jesus said so, And I am going to take HIS Word over ALL! And if HE don't? And He saved "ALL" oh happy day they will be! "Hitler" too! But i am taking the narrow road. The one that has few travelers on it.:eyes: They have DEMONS out Here! and they don't bother no body but "Pilgrims" on the narrow Path.:eyes: For they are "Deceivers", :eyes: I am in Hot pursuit of "Sanctification and Holiness" And i will see you on the other side.:eyes:

I don't mind staying on the narrow Path. When i lay down and go to sleep, my dreams be sweet. I do not dream nothing about cheating in the street. That devil and those demons, will be waiting on you when you pass from life to death. It ain't no repenting over there. Game over!:eyes:

When you pass over, ignorance will not be a excuse. "That Dog ain't going to Hunt" Well, LORD I didn't know.:eyes: And when GOD look over at me. Yea he did, I told him, i told him. I am sorry homely I cannot lie there. Those eyes of HIS Like Flames of FIRE, Hair White as WOOL, Feet like Polish Brass, A SWORD IN HIS MOUTH, THE Sight of ANGELS IS enough to make you pass out! I am telling on you! "I am Witness":eyes:

Note: i am glad she ate from that Tree, "desirable to make one wise" and ADAM, i heard your Voice, and I was AFRIAD.

"Fearing GOD is The Beginning of WISDOM:eyes: But Fools...etc.

Now Which fork in the road will one take?
2 things that are very enticing to Men the power that money brings, and the enticement of "That Woman". and when the Bell Rings, them 2 ain't going to mean nothing.:eyes:

Now, one may do as they please. I know what i am going to do.:eyes: And i am not teaching. This is what i am going to do. And this is what "I believe". And no man or women have to teach me these virtues in The WAYS of GOD, i need no instructor or class of a institution.

Note: The bible is only written to the True Children of God who was saved from the Foundation of The World. The Bible was not written for "Goats" they may read it but it was not written for them. But it was written for "ALL SHEEP" and "ALL LAMBS". Like HE said: "I NEVER Knew YOU" in other words MY FATHER Never gave you to ME. I don't know you! I know who you are :eyes: But you ain't mines.:eyes:

English languages and English writers are great Poets.
 
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