Should you beg God in prayer? (Boldly or Begging?)

[PloughBoy]

Dear Brother,
You are a joy to me!

This is so well said my brother!!! Alleluia!!!

I'm going about reading this thread rather slowly, in order to take it all in, so I don't know if you've covered the following or not, but when you have prayed for others; how have you conducted yourself before the Throne of Grace & Mercy? I can only assume with Great Humility since His will for them might not be evident to you at the time.

As I've said before, you are a joy dear brother!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
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Remember what the office of "Priest" pertaining to 'That which is Priestly" and what it does? Not only IS Jesus the Christ of God, The Son of God, The WORD OF GOD, The CREATOR of All That is CREATED, He Also occupies The office of KING and The Office of The HIGH PRIEST. these are just examples of what i am trying to say. those are "Crowns" on His head.

A priest job is to:
King James Bible
For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:

So Jesus wears than Crown too.
New American Standard Bible
Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let’s hold firmly to our confession.

King James Bible
Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: BUT the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. "This ADVOCATE" always makes the right prayer for us, to GOD! No matter what we think or what we pray for but it still do not interfere whar we ask for. "So you want some more Quail"

Your quote:
" but when you have prayed for others; how have you conducted yourself before the Throne of Grace & Mercy?"

Many do not know they are covered, by the Office of "The ADVOCATE" commission By GOD. and when we sin we are also attacked by host of things, "conscious", by a host "invisible adversaries", "guilt", "accusers" and the culture of the world. It clouds out all righteous judgments. Some when the "Monkeys" start jumping all over your back, you want them OFF! You want help now! You call on everybody, to get that "Monkey" off!

So when people want help, you know "GOD" is the one that gives the "Monkey" permission to jump on our backs. So the "advocate" is the one, that knows how to make intercessions to GOD and The priest got your salvation covered, {Jesus}, But, GOD will leave That monkey on your back until you get the Message, and understand why that monkey is on your back. Now most of the time people do not know that, But you do, been there. So you understand., You still pray, give them what they need, not what they want you, to pray for! Many you cannot tell them that.

Like some told me, when my mother was dying in the hospital, they was praying that she would not die. I told them Stop praying for my mother! My mother is ready to go from here, I mean Stop, praying for my mother to keep on living in this world of pain and suffering, she cannot wait to leave from here!

Then, they said, well, we don't her to leave! then i got almost ghetto! that's my mama, and you want to keep her around , for selfish motives! She cook and watch your kids, listen to your stories and look at you crying and you eat her cakes and pies! And when she needed a glass of water, you was no where to be found! AND She cannot wait to leave here! I been with my mother for over 50 years and we have been talking about heaven for as long as i can remember and still taking about it! And she cannot wait to get there!

The doctors and nurses and the chaplain, said they ain't never seen or heard nothing like this before! Me and my mother in the hospital was laughing, she ask me was she dying ,she know people lie, be she know I will tell her the truth, The doctors and everybody did not want me to tell her. But she ask me, I told her, she throw her hands up in the air and "SHOUTED" THANK YOU JESUS I"M COMING HOME! She was so happy. And I told her when she get there, tell everybody I'm coming too! we laugh in that HOSPITAL, My brother is one of those quiet pastors do not disturb the other patients. I ain't , that My mama, she can Shout as loud she want too!

I told y'all i am a mess! The President of the USA do not impress me, The office does, i respected it. and I don't care who occupies it.

So we are "covered" no matter what it looks like or how we pray, God got us covered His True Children, and the world does not know.

He knows what we need, and the time will come for most to understand that. and where "sin abounds, grace Abounds that much more".


ps. Most of the time we don't like what we need. and sometime that mind, might drift, and then you bring it back into captivity.

 

[Christ4Ever]

Remember what the office of "Priest" pertaining to 'That which is Priestly" and what it does? Not only IS Jesus the Christ of God, The Son of God, The WORD OF GOD, The CREATOR of All That is CREATED, He Also occupies The office of KING and The Office of The HIGH PRIEST. these are just examples of what i am trying to say. those are "Crowns" on His head.

A priest job is to:
King James Bible
For every high priest taken from among men is ordained for men in things pertaining to God, that he may offer both gifts and sacrifices for sins:

So Jesus wears than Crown too.
New American Standard Bible
Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has passed through the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let’s hold firmly to our confession.

King James Bible
Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
26Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: BUT the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. 27And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God. "This ADVOCATE" always makes the right prayer for us, to GOD! No matter what we think or what we pray for but it still do not interfere whar we ask for. "So you want some more Quail"

Your quote:
" but when you have prayed for others; how have you conducted yourself before the Throne of Grace & Mercy?"

Many do not know they are covered, by the Office of "The ADVOCATE" commission By GOD. and when we sin we are also attacked by host of things, "conscious", by a host "invisible adversaries", "guilt", "accusers" and the culture of the world. It clouds out all righteous judgments. Some when the "Monkeys" start jumping all over your back, you want them OFF! You want help now! You call on everybody, to get that "Monkey" off!

So when people want help, you know "GOD" is the one that gives the "Monkey" permission to jump on our backs. So the "advocate" is the one, that knows how to make intercessions to GOD and The priest got your salvation covered, {Jesus}, But, GOD will leave That monkey on your back until you get the Message, and understand why that monkey is on your back. Now most of the time people do not know that, But you do, been there. So you understand., You still pray, give them what they need, not what they want you, to pray for! Many you cannot tell them that.

Like some told me, when my mother was dying in the hospital, they was praying that she would not die. I told them Stop praying for my mother! My mother is ready to go from here, I mean Stop, praying for my mother to keep on living in this world of pain and suffering, she cannot wait to leave from here!

Then, they said, well, we don't her to leave! then i got almost ghetto! that's my mama, and you want to keep her around , for selfish motives! She cook and watch your kids, listen to your stories and look at you crying and you eat her cakes and pies! And when she needed a glass of water, you was no where to be found! AND She cannot wait to leave here! I been with my mother for over 50 years and we have been talking about heaven for as long as i can remember and still taking about it! And she cannot wait to get there!

The doctors and nurses and the chaplain, said they ain't never seen or heard nothing like this before! Me and my mother in the hospital was laughing, she ask me was she dying ,she know people lie, be she know I will tell her the truth, The doctors and everybody did not want me to tell her. But she ask me, I told her, she throw her hands up in the air and "SHOUTED" THANK YOU JESUS I"M COMING HOME! She was so happy. And I told her when she get there, tell everybody I'm coming too! we laugh in that HOSPITAL, My brother is one of those quiet pastors do not disturb the other patients. I ain't , that My mama, she can Shout as loud she want too!

I told y'all i am a mess! The President of the USA do not impress me, The office does, i respected it. and I don't care who occupies it.

So we are "covered" no matter what it looks like or how we pray, God got us covered His True Children, and the world does not know.

He knows what we need, and the time will come for most to understand that. and where "sin abounds, grace Abounds that much more".


ps. Most of the time we don't like what we need. and sometime that mind, might drift, and then you bring it back into captivity.

Dear Brother,
I look at the prayer as a supplication for those of our brethren who are always in need, because the amour is not complete without it. It's lack is usually the eventual downfall of the faithful for without such perseverance in doing so, would the tide of these small battles though not affecting the final victory in Christ Jesus, would/could still be turned to continue an engagement that will eventually bring us home to where we want to be!

And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak. Ephesians 6:17-20 KJV

I will say that I would have been rejoicing with you and your blessed mother in her home coming brother!
It's that personal loss of not having them anymore to rejoice with that drives that greed in many instead of jealousy of joy that they'll be where we want to be, before we ourselves can be!!!! Which should not preclude the joy from overflowing that the World may now our Jesus!!! Yet, we ourselves wait, for it's not a call for us to make! Just waiting to have my ticket punched to Gloryland!!!

Again, thank-you for sharing brother! They gave me tears of joy!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><

 

[PloughBoy]

Dear Brother,
I look at the prayer as a supplication for those of our brethren who are always in need, because the amour is not complete without it. It's lack is usually the eventual downfall of the faithful for without such perseverance in doing so, would the tide of these small battles though not affecting the final victory in Christ Jesus, would/could still be turned to continue an engagement that will eventually bring us home to where we want to be!

And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God: Praying always with all prayer and supplication in the Spirit, and watching thereunto with all perseverance and supplication for all saints; And for me, that utterance may be given unto me, that I may open my mouth boldly, to make known the mystery of the gospel, For which I am an ambassador in bonds: that therein I may speak boldly, as I ought to speak. Ephesians 6:17-20 KJV

I will say that I would have been rejoicing with you and your blessed mother in her home coming brother!
It's that personal loss of not having them anymore to rejoice with that drives that greed in many instead of jealousy of joy that they'll be where we want to be, before we ourselves can be!!!! Which should not preclude the joy from overflowing that the World may now our Jesus!!! Yet, we ourselves wait, for it's not a call for us to make! Just waiting to have my ticket punched to Gloryland!!!

Again, thank-you for sharing brother! They gave me tears of joy!

With the Love of Christ Jesus.
YBIC
Nick
\o/
<><

Thank you.

 

[Twistie]

Is there a different between confidence n boldness? Do they not mean the same ?

Apologies for the cut in

Twistie

 

[PloughBoy]

Is there a different between confidence n boldness? Do they not mean the same ?

Apologies for the cut in

Twistie

I do not really know, But

Somebody said:
"we learn by our Mistakes" so in other words " I am going to be A Genius when I Grow Up"

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Is there a different between confidence n boldness? Do they not mean the same ?

Apologies for the cut in

Twistie

@Twistie great question.

So as I reflect I"m reminded that words have denotative meanings and also connotative meanings.

While the dictionary definition may be similar for both words, the word
boldness (in my opinion) connotes or indicates some slight level of
assertiveness, initiation, and at times aggression.

Whereas confidence often is used when relating to one's own evaluation
of their ability to perform. They are similar but not the same.

For example, boldness often relates to the courage to deal with external threats
in the environment, whereas
confidence often connotes a strong belief in one's own abilities.

For example, "the boy was bold and approached (initiative) the bully who was picking on others
with no fear for his own safety".

Or example, "the boy was confident that he would pass the test (assured of success) and had no fear that he would fail."

Although either word would fit perfectly fine in either sentence. However, people tend to use the word confident
to relate more to your evaluation of your own ability and they tend to use the word bold
in terms of dealing with external threats.

Feel free to add @PloughBoy

 

[PloughBoy]

@Twistie great question.

So as I reflect I"m reminded that words have denotative meanings and also connotative meanings.

While the dictionary definition may be similar for both words, the word
boldness (in my opinion) connotes or indicates some slight level of
assertiveness, initiation, and at times aggression.

Whereas confidence often is used when relating to one's own evaluation
of their ability to perform. They are similar but not the same.

For example, boldness often relates to the courage to deal with external threats
in the environment, whereas
confidence often connotes a strong belief in one's own abilities.

For example, "the boy was bold and approached (initiative) the bully who was picking on others
with no fear for his own safety".

Or example, "the boy was confident that he would pass the test (assured of success) and had no fear that he would fail."

Although either word would fit perfectly fine in either sentence. However, people tend to use the word confident
to relate more to your evaluation of your own ability and they tend to use the word bold
in terms of dealing with external threats.

Feel free to add @PloughBoy

"ISBE" {International Standard Bible Encyclopedia"

Boldness​

bold'-nes (parresia, "confidence," "fearlessness," "freedom of speech"): This was one of the results of discipleship (Ac 4:13,29,31; Eph 3:12; Php 1:20; 1Ti 3:13; 1Jo 4:17). It was a necessary qualification for the work assigned them. They were not only subject to violent persecutions, but also were the constant subject of ridicule and contempt. Paul uses the word in the sense of plainness in 2Co 3:12. In Heb 10:19; 1Jo 2:28; 4:17, it has the sense of freeness resulting from confidence. In Phm 1:8, the reference is to the authority which Paul claims in this case.

Confidence​

kon'-fi-dens (baTach, and forms, kecel; parrhesia; peitho, pepoithesis, hupostasis): The chief Hebrew word translated "confidence" (baTach, and its forms) means, perhaps, radically, "to be open," showing thus what originated the idea of "confidence"; where there was nothing hidden a person felt safe; it is very frequently rendered "trust." In Ps 118:8-9 we have "It is better to take refuge in Yahweh than to put confidence in princes," and in Ps 65:5, "O God of our salvation, thou that art the confidence (mibhTach) of all the ends of the earth." MibhTach is translated "confidence" in Job 18:14; 31:24; Pr 21:22, etc.

⇒See a list of verses on CONFIDENCE in the Bible.

Kecel ("firmness," "stoutness") is rendered "confidence" in Pr 3:26, and kiclah in Job 4:6; peitho ("to persuade") is translated "confidence" in 2Co 2:3; Ga 5:10, etc.; pepoithesis, in 2Co 1:15; 8:22, etc.; hupostasis ("what stands under"), in 2Co 11:17; Heb 3:14; 2Co 9:4; parrhesia ("out-spokenness," "boldness") is invariably translated in the Revised Version (British and American) "boldness" (Ac 28:31; Heb 3:6; 4:16; 10:35; 1Jo 2:28; 3:21; 5:14); tharseo or tharrheo ("to have good courage") is so translated in the Revised Version (British and American), "being therefore always of good courage" (2Co 5:6); "I am of good courage concerning you" (2Co 7:16), the King James Version "confident" and "confidence."

Revised Version has "confidence" for "hope" (Job 8:14); for "assurance" (Isa 32:17); for "trust" (2Co 3:4); for "same confident boasting" (2Co 9:4); "is confident" for "trusted" (Job 40:23); "to have confidence" for "thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust" (Php 3:4); "confidently" for "constantly" (Ac 12:15); "confidently affirm" for "affirm" (1Ti 1:7); conversely, we have for "his confidence" (Job 18:14), "wherein he trusteth," for "with confidence" (Eze 28:26) "securely therein."

⇒See the definition of confidence in the KJV Dictionary

The Bible teaches the value of confidence (Isa 30:15; Heb 10:35), but neither in "gold" (Job 31:24), nor in man, however great (Ps 118:8-9; Jer 17:5), nor in self (Pr 14:16; Php 3:3), but in God (Ps 65:5; Pr 3:26; 14:26), as revealed in Christ (Eph 3:12; 1Jo 5:13-14).

My beginnings was with "ISBE" in Christ, hard copy, i had to catch a bus to the Main Library in the Biblical Reference Depart, Glass room. It was to expensive to buy a set. But when I got able after skipping many of meals I bought a set and had a party! We would be up all night reading "ISBE"! The Cadillac of Dictionaries and Bible Encyclopedias" on how the "text" words was originally written into The Translations.

Those were the days, staying out all night just reading and getting the meaning of just one Biblical word! All night just to get the understand of the word :HOLY SPIRIT! you exhaust the words, spell many different ways, throughout the bible, but the english word would be spelled one way in all of the english translations, but in the original ,spell different ways and had different Biblical meanings.

in english "holy Ghost", "Holy Spirit", Spirit of God.
In Original, The Advocate, The Parakletos , the Spirt of GOD, ,,etc, but you knew why and understood why it was presented under different declarations. you just don't think is just another way to say holy spirit. you have understand and through you know how to define the english translation as you read and come across the one word :Holy SPIRT.

 

[Twistie]

I do not really know, But

Somebody said:
"we learn by our Mistakes" so in other words " I am going to be A Genius when I Grow Up"

 

[PloughBoy]

"ISBE" {International Standard Bible Encyclopedia"

Boldness​

bold'-nes (parresia, "confidence," "fearlessness," "freedom of speech"): This was one of the results of discipleship (Ac 4:13,29,31; Eph 3:12; Php 1:20; 1Ti 3:13; 1Jo 4:17). It was a necessary qualification for the work assigned them. They were not only subject to violent persecutions, but also were the constant subject of ridicule and contempt. Paul uses the word in the sense of plainness in 2Co 3:12. In Heb 10:19; 1Jo 2:28; 4:17, it has the sense of freeness resulting from confidence. In Phm 1:8, the reference is to the authority which Paul claims in this case.

Confidence​

kon'-fi-dens (baTach, and forms, kecel; parrhesia; peitho, pepoithesis, hupostasis): The chief Hebrew word translated "confidence" (baTach, and its forms) means, perhaps, radically, "to be open," showing thus what originated the idea of "confidence"; where there was nothing hidden a person felt safe; it is very frequently rendered "trust." In Ps 118:8-9 we have "It is better to take refuge in Yahweh than to put confidence in princes," and in Ps 65:5, "O God of our salvation, thou that art the confidence (mibhTach) of all the ends of the earth." MibhTach is translated "confidence" in Job 18:14; 31:24; Pr 21:22, etc.

⇒See a list of verses on CONFIDENCE in the Bible.

Kecel ("firmness," "stoutness") is rendered "confidence" in Pr 3:26, and kiclah in Job 4:6; peitho ("to persuade") is translated "confidence" in 2Co 2:3; Ga 5:10, etc.; pepoithesis, in 2Co 1:15; 8:22, etc.; hupostasis ("what stands under"), in 2Co 11:17; Heb 3:14; 2Co 9:4; parrhesia ("out-spokenness," "boldness") is invariably translated in the Revised Version (British and American) "boldness" (Ac 28:31; Heb 3:6; 4:16; 10:35; 1Jo 2:28; 3:21; 5:14); tharseo or tharrheo ("to have good courage") is so translated in the Revised Version (British and American), "being therefore always of good courage" (2Co 5:6); "I am of good courage concerning you" (2Co 7:16), the King James Version "confident" and "confidence."

Revised Version has "confidence" for "hope" (Job 8:14); for "assurance" (Isa 32:17); for "trust" (2Co 3:4); for "same confident boasting" (2Co 9:4); "is confident" for "trusted" (Job 40:23); "to have confidence" for "thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust" (Php 3:4); "confidently" for "constantly" (Ac 12:15); "confidently affirm" for "affirm" (1Ti 1:7); conversely, we have for "his confidence" (Job 18:14), "wherein he trusteth," for "with confidence" (Eze 28:26) "securely therein."

⇒See the definition of confidence in the KJV Dictionary

The Bible teaches the value of confidence (Isa 30:15; Heb 10:35), but neither in "gold" (Job 31:24), nor in man, however great (Ps 118:8-9; Jer 17:5), nor in self (Pr 14:16; Php 3:3), but in God (Ps 65:5; Pr 3:26; 14:26), as revealed in Christ (Eph 3:12; 1Jo 5:13-14).

My beginnings was with "ISBE" in Christ, hard copy, i had to catch a bus to the Main Library in the Biblical Reference Depart, Glass room. It was to expensive to buy a set. But when I got able after skipping many of meals I bought a set and had a party! We would be up all night reading "ISBE"! The Cadillac of Dictionaries and Bible Encyclopedias" on how the "text" words was originally written into The Translations.

Those were the days, staying out all night just reading and getting the meaning of just one Biblical word! All night just to get the understand of the word :HOLY SPIRIT! you exhaust the words, spell many different ways, throughout the bible, but the english word would be spelled one way in all of the english translations, but in the original ,spell different ways and had different Biblical meanings.

in english "holy Ghost", "Holy Spirit", Spirit of God.
In Original, The Advocate, The Parakletos , the Spirt of GOD, ,,etc, but you knew why and understood why it was presented under different declarations. you just don't think is just another way to say holy spirit. you have understand and through you know how to define the english translation as you read and come across the one word :Holy SPIRT.

with corrections, getting slow, i am .

Those were the days, staying out all night just reading and getting the meaning of just one Biblical word! All night just to get the understanding of the word :HOLY SPIRIT! you exhaust the words, spell many different ways, throughout the bible, but the english word would be spelled one way in all of the english translations, but in the original spell in different ways and had different Biblical meanings.

in english "holy Ghost", "Holy Spirit", Spirit of God.
In Original, The Advocate, The Parakletos , the Spirt of GOD, ,,etc, but you knew why and understood why it was presented under different declarations. you just don't think is just another way to say holy spirit. you have understanding, and now you know how to define the english translation as you read and come across the one word :"Holy SPIRIT" AND you understand why it is referred with another word. you understand "breathe", "Breath", "unction". "guide", "Sanctifying work" "teacher"...etc.


You would pray so hard for GOD to put the meaning in your mind and soul. so much! Those books were very expensive. no books, like they have today. "How to get healing", "how to speak in tongues", " how to have a good christian family" none of that kind of stuff, that stiff is twenty century stuff, modern day christianity. How in the world you going to have a Good christian family and marriage, when the bible says; opposite!

Modern day christianity teaches; "The BABIE SYNDROME" and "The Cinderella Mentality" as a "Christian marriage"! and we wonder why: everybody is getting a divorce! The Women are told they want "Ken Dolls" husbands, and search for them with all costs. and "Daisy Mae" you get you a "Prince"! pray for him, and the poor Plough boy, just want a wife that he can just hold her hand and look into her eyes and both are "Eternally Bound" with hell in the rear view mirror.

Christianity went after the Masses,
They made some money , big time! in the name of Jesus! "they who live Godly in Christ Jesus will Suffer Persecution" " a man's enemy will be in his own household" "i came not to bring peace , but a sword" to put at variance..ff.

Churches Leaders are Not going to tell you all of THE TRUTH!

New American Standard Bible
But if you marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Yet such people as yourselves will have trouble in this life, and I am trying to spare you.
NASB 1995
But if you marry, you have not sinned; and if a virgin marries, she has not sinned. Yet such will have trouble in this life, and I am trying to spare you.


[But sex will be a Gift for your pain and the things you will suffer in marriage, "TRUST HIM" Sex between others is a curse and they will be judge, Ask God to teach you how to Love your spouse and have no eye for no one else, even when you are mad and they have mistreated you! Ask Him to give You POWER! to Love them when you do not have The STRENGTH To do SO!]

Now you may remember the parable about "The Unjust JUDGE". You pray until you can love your spouse no matter how or angry you maybe. Now you see, we must marry those who are The real "CHILDREN oF GOD" who are BORN of HIS SPIRIT and Wash in His Blood! and you know that they are!

For they are the only ones, who are trying to please GOD and not themselves. "Born from ABOVE" I did not say church goers, so do not get it mix up!


Now you tell me!

Should you beg God in prayer? (Boldly or Begging?)​

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

"ISBE" {International Standard Bible Encyclopedia"

Boldness​

bold'-nes (parresia, "confidence," "fearlessness," "freedom of speech"): This was one of the results of discipleship (Ac 4:13,29,31; Eph 3:12; Php 1:20; 1Ti 3:13; 1Jo 4:17). It was a necessary qualification for the work assigned them. They were not only subject to violent persecutions, but also were the constant subject of ridicule and contempt. Paul uses the word in the sense of plainness in 2Co 3:12. In Heb 10:19; 1Jo 2:28; 4:17, it has the sense of freeness resulting from confidence. In Phm 1:8, the reference is to the authority which Paul claims in this case.

Confidence​

kon'-fi-dens (baTach, and forms, kecel; parrhesia; peitho, pepoithesis, hupostasis): The chief Hebrew word translated "confidence" (baTach, and its forms) means, perhaps, radically, "to be open," showing thus what originated the idea of "confidence"; where there was nothing hidden a person felt safe; it is very frequently rendered "trust." In Ps 118:8-9 we have "It is better to take refuge in Yahweh than to put confidence in princes," and in Ps 65:5, "O God of our salvation, thou that art the confidence (mibhTach) of all the ends of the earth." MibhTach is translated "confidence" in Job 18:14; 31:24; Pr 21:22, etc.

⇒See a list of verses on CONFIDENCE in the Bible.

Kecel ("firmness," "stoutness") is rendered "confidence" in Pr 3:26, and kiclah in Job 4:6; peitho ("to persuade") is translated "confidence" in 2Co 2:3; Ga 5:10, etc.; pepoithesis, in 2Co 1:15; 8:22, etc.; hupostasis ("what stands under"), in 2Co 11:17; Heb 3:14; 2Co 9:4; parrhesia ("out-spokenness," "boldness") is invariably translated in the Revised Version (British and American) "boldness" (Ac 28:31; Heb 3:6; 4:16; 10:35; 1Jo 2:28; 3:21; 5:14); tharseo or tharrheo ("to have good courage") is so translated in the Revised Version (British and American), "being therefore always of good courage" (2Co 5:6); "I am of good courage concerning you" (2Co 7:16), the King James Version "confident" and "confidence."

Revised Version has "confidence" for "hope" (Job 8:14); for "assurance" (Isa 32:17); for "trust" (2Co 3:4); for "same confident boasting" (2Co 9:4); "is confident" for "trusted" (Job 40:23); "to have confidence" for "thinketh that he hath whereof he might trust" (Php 3:4); "confidently" for "constantly" (Ac 12:15); "confidently affirm" for "affirm" (1Ti 1:7); conversely, we have for "his confidence" (Job 18:14), "wherein he trusteth," for "with confidence" (Eze 28:26) "securely therein."

⇒See the definition of confidence in the KJV Dictionary

The Bible teaches the value of confidence (Isa 30:15; Heb 10:35), but neither in "gold" (Job 31:24), nor in man, however great (Ps 118:8-9; Jer 17:5), nor in self (Pr 14:16; Php 3:3), but in God (Ps 65:5; Pr 3:26; 14:26), as revealed in Christ (Eph 3:12; 1Jo 5:13-14).

My beginnings was with "ISBE" in Christ, hard copy, i had to catch a bus to the Main Library in the Biblical Reference Depart, Glass room. It was to expensive to buy a set. But when I got able after skipping many of meals I bought a set and had a party! We would be up all night reading "ISBE"! The Cadillac of Dictionaries and Bible Encyclopedias" on how the "text" words was originally written into The Translations.

Those were the days, staying out all night just reading and getting the meaning of just one Biblical word! All night just to get the understand of the word :HOLY SPIRIT! you exhaust the words, spell many different ways, throughout the bible, but the english word would be spelled one way in all of the english translations, but in the original ,spell different ways and had different Biblical meanings.

in english "holy Ghost", "Holy Spirit", Spirit of God.
In Original, The Advocate, The Parakletos , the Spirt of GOD, ,,etc, but you knew why and understood why it was presented under different declarations. you just don't think is just another way to say holy spirit. you have understand and through you know how to define the english translation as you read and come across the one word :Holy SPIRT.

Very scholarly, great post.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

Now you tell me! Should you beg God in prayer? (Boldly or Begging?)

My response is we should come boldly to God because without faith it is impossible to please God for God is a rewarder of those who diligently
seek Him knowing God is able and willing to do these things for us. Yet in our boldness when we feel that our prayers is according to God's WILL
and it is not being answered, there is a place for begging. But this begging does not lack the quality of boldness. This is not a begging which lacks
faith, this is a begging which includes boldness.

So I realized that I committed a logical fallacy, of a false dilemma. Whether one comes boldly or begging is not an either or choice.

Boldness can relate to the level of faith or confidence with which the request is made,
while,
Begging relates to a state of perseverance and repetitive asking with a desperate pleading.

It is possible for one to have confidence and faith while also persevering in repetition of their request.
Meaning it is not either/OR.

I now see my error in the question I asked. It is not one or the other.

We should always come boldly, and if the request is not answered and we are not
walking in sin or disobedience, then we should preserve in our request with fervency and pleading(begging).

 

[Jonathan_Gale]

My response is we should come boldly to God because without faith it is impossible to please God for God is a rewarder of those who diligently
seek Him knowing God is able and willing to do these things for us. Yet in our boldness when we feel that our prayers is according to God's WILL
and it is not being answered, there is a place for begging. But this begging does not lack the quality of boldness. This is not a begging which lacks
faith, this is a begging which includes boldness.

So I realized that I committed a logical fallacy, of a false dilemma. Whether one comes boldly or begging is not an either or choice.

Boldness can relate to the level of faith or confidence with which the request is made,
while,
Begging relates to a state of perseverance and repetitive asking with a desperate pleading.

It is possible for one to have confidence and faith while also persevering in repetition of their request.
Meaning it is not either/OR.

I now see my error in the question I asked. It is not one or the other.

We should always come boldly, and if the request is not answered and we are not
walking in sin or disobedience, then we should preserve in our request with fervency and pleading(begging).

A true believer is not just emboldened, but EMPOWERED by the Holy Spirit. That's what the Holy Spirit does. He empowers God's people to fight the good fight and finish the race.

 

[PloughBoy]

My response is we should come boldly to God because without faith it is impossible to please God for God is a rewarder of those who diligently
seek Him knowing God is able and willing to do these things for us. Yet in our boldness when we feel that our prayers is according to God's WILL
and it is not being answered, there is a place for begging. But this begging does not lack the quality of boldness. This is not a begging which lacks
faith, this is a begging which includes boldness.

So I realized that I committed a logical fallacy, of a false dilemma. Whether one comes boldly or begging is not an either or choice.

Boldness can relate to the level of faith or confidence with which the request is made,
while,
Begging relates to a state of perseverance and repetitive asking with a desperate pleading.

It is possible for one to have confidence and faith while also persevering in repetition of their request.
Meaning it is not either/OR.

I now see my error in the question I asked. It is not one or the other.

We should always come boldly, and if the request is not answered and we are not
walking in sin or disobedience, then we should preserve in our request with fervency and pleading(begging).

I am not a expert on those words but I figured the writers, in what they where trying to convey in the English translated text. that is why I went to "ISBE" Their definition of those words in the text. is trying to convey the "Original copied Manuscript" writings for i am quite sure the word Boldly begging and there definitions did not exist when the GREEK New Testament or Greek lexicons was written, just like all the words "William Tyndale" created and place in our translations in which we all hold so dear. Many Word and phrases and definitions did even exist before the 15th and 16th century that we have in our Bibles.

You know if we go deep, we go deep, and i am quite sure the well is much much more deeper, than i am wiling to go. because right now. i am feeling a nose bleed.

 

[Jesus_is_LORD]

A true believer is not just emboldened, but EMPOWERED by the Holy Spirit. That's what the Holy Spirit does. He empowers God's people to fight the good fight and finish the race.

Amen, fighting the good fight . Amen, persevere, finish the race.

 

[PloughBoy]

My response is we should come boldly to God because without faith it is impossible to please God for God is a rewarder of those who diligently
seek Him knowing God is able and willing to do these things for us. Yet in our boldness when we feel that our prayers is according to God's WILL
and it is not being answered, there is a place for begging. But this begging does not lack the quality of boldness. This is not a begging which lacks
faith, this is a begging which includes boldness.

So I realized that I committed a logical fallacy, of a false dilemma. Whether one comes boldly or begging is not an either or choice.

Boldness can relate to the level of faith or confidence with which the request is made,
while,
Begging relates to a state of perseverance and repetitive asking with a desperate pleading.

It is possible for one to have confidence and faith while also persevering in repetition of their request.
Meaning it is not either/OR.

I now see my error in the question I asked. It is not one or the other.

We should always come boldly, and if the request is not answered and we are not
walking in sin or disobedience, then we should preserve in our request with fervency and pleading(begging).

here is a good one, just came to mind. What was Jesus doing in the garden of Gethsemane. We might want to read it again 1st. SLOWLY. I HAVEN'T READ it again yet, it just came to mind, No telling what we may find there among The Stones, maybe a "nugget" maybe Not> lets go grave digging.

 

[PloughBoy]

here is a good one, just came to mind. What was Jesus doing in the garden of Gethsemane. We might want to read it again 1st. SLOWLY. I HAVEN'T READ it again yet, it just came to mind, No telling what we may find there among The Stones, maybe a "nugget" maybe Not> lets go grave digging.

I tried to read it in Matthew 26 starting from verse 1, but when i got down to verse 36, I started coming apart my heart and i start crying and could not stop i couldn't read it anymore. and it was tearing me apart man, so i have copy it and place it here. i can't take it, i cannot read t.

The Prayer in the Garden​

36Then Jesus came with them to a place called Gethsemane, and said to the disciples, “Sit here while I go and pray over there.” 37And He took with Him Peter and the two sons of Zebedee, and He began to be sorrowful and deeply distressed. 38Then He said to them, “My soul is exceedingly sorrowful, even to death. Stay here and watch with Me.”

39He went a little farther and fell on His face, and prayed, saying, “O My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass from Me; nevertheless, not as I will, but as You will.”

40Then He came to the disciples and found them sleeping, and said to Peter, “What! Could you not watch with Me one hour? 41Watch and pray, lest you enter into temptation. The spirit indeed is willing, but the flesh is weak.”

42Again, a second time, He went away and prayed, saying, “O My Father, [h]if this cup cannot pass away from Me unless I drink it, Your will be done.” 43And He came and found them asleep again, for their eyes were heavy.

44So He left them, went away again, and prayed the third time, saying the same words. 45Then He came to His disciples and said to them, “Are you still sleeping and resting? Behold, the hour Matthew 26 NKJVis at hand, and the Son of Man is being betrayed into the hands of sinners. 46Rise, let us be going. See, My betrayer is at hand.”

 

[PloughBoy]

I made it , i don't want to go through that no more. I been through that before, him dying in my place, but not that strong, i cried but not like that! i knew I had to go through and embrace it. I can hardly take the Pouring of The Anointing any more either, This body cannot not take it it seems anymore, to powerful. I do believe if I get another powerful Anointing pouring on me "I am going to die". I am getting to old for this.

 

[PloughBoy]

My response is we should come boldly to God because without faith it is impossible to please God for God is a rewarder of those who diligently
seek Him knowing God is able and willing to do these things for us. Yet in our boldness when we feel that our prayers is according to God's WILL
and it is not being answered, there is a place for begging. But this begging does not lack the quality of boldness. This is not a begging which lacks
faith, this is a begging which includes boldness.

So I realized that I committed a logical fallacy, of a false dilemma. Whether one comes boldly or begging is not an either or choice.

Boldness can relate to the level of faith or confidence with which the request is made,
while,
Begging relates to a state of perseverance and repetitive asking with a desperate pleading.

It is possible for one to have confidence and faith while also persevering in repetition of their request.
Meaning it is not either/OR.

I now see my error in the question I asked. It is not one or the other.

We should always come boldly, and if the request is not answered and we are not
walking in sin or disobedience, then we should preserve in our request with fervency and pleading(begging).

This might be a "gift' to some.
your quote:
"We should always come boldly, and if the request is not answered and we are not
walking in sin or disobedience, then we should preserve in our request with fervency and pleading(begging)"

Here is a Boldness: God Answer all of our Prayers, the Prayers of His Children, but sometimes we are hard of Hearing, and we in reality refuse to hear "NO". He is not quiet to us, he hears and he ALWAYS answers. he never leaves us alone. His EAR, is always there.

I am teaching myself now.

I do believe when Jesus prayed in the Garden, for that cup to be remove from me, The answer was 'no'. [for you cannot see, what you are achieving] by drinking the cup, i have given to you. but, here after, you will. [ the dinner had Bitter herbs on the table at The Last Supper].