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Shavuot or "Pentecost" What's is all about?

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SHAVUOT/PENTECOST What’s it all about?


This is the time of year when this “Moed” (appointed time) is celebrated. This year, 2021, Shavuot/Pentecost starts on the Eve of May 16th.

There are three times when all Israelites were commanded to go up to Yerushalayim to celebrate God’s appointed times, Passover, The Feast of Tabernacles, and the Feast of Weeks, known as “Shavuot” or in Greek “Pentecost” which most churches recognize. We all remember the day of “Pentecost” as when the “Ruach HaKodesh” (The Holy Spirit) fell upon all the believers that were gathered in Yerushalayim to celebrate the Feast of Weeks.

Yet the “Feast of Weeks” (Shavuot) had been celebrated yearly for the past thousand years, ever since the day that Fire fell on Mt. Sinai. That was the very first “Shavuot”. When Moshe and the People of Israel received the Torah from God at Sinai in the form of two tablets of stone, but these were just the major points of the Torah, there were to be many more details in the making.

It really goes back to Egypt when the Israelites were still slaves. YHVH made some promises to His people, and we remember those promises in the forms of the 4 cups of wine during Passover.

1. “I am YHVH, I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians
2. “I will deliver you from their bondage
3. “I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and with great judgments.
4. “I will take you for MY PEOPLE and I will be YOUR GOD.

The first three were accomplished in Egypt, then, at Sinai, on the day of Shavuot, the 4th promise was fulfilled. YHVH took the 12 tribes of Israel and united them as a NATION. The Israelites left behind Egypt, yet “Egypt” followed them across the Red Sea, in the form of mindset and philosophy and in the form of “false gods” This was evident when they made the “golden calf”. It took YHVH one day to take Israel out of Egypt, but it took 40 years to take Egypt out of Israel.

When we read Exodus 19:18,19 we read about the day of “Torah-giving” at Sinai. They received the Torah amidst lightning, thunder, the sound of the Shofar, and the voice of God. Yet when YHVH finished the 10th commandment, the people said, “Speak to us yourself Moshe, but don’t let God speak to us or we will die”

Do we wonder what would have happened if the people had not said that? Perhaps YHVH would have continued speaking out the commandments in front of all the people. But, YHVH called Moshe up to the top of the Mountain and the rest of the Torah was given. 10 commandments were spoken directly to the people by YHVH, and 603 were spoken by God to Moshe, and later, given to the people

In Leviticus, we see the commandment to celebrate Shavuot in chapter 23:15-22. They were to count “7” sabbaths (49 days) and then the next day (day 50) they were to celebrate. This time was harvest time. During the time of Passover, the barley harvest was ready, then 50 days later, the wheat harvest.

Two loaves of wheat bread were to be made and “waved” before YHVH (up towards heaven, down towards the earth, then to the North, South, East, and West) Blessing and thinking Adonai for the blessings from heaven (the rain that falls from Heaven down to the earth) blessing all the lands of the earth, those lands that are in the North, the South, the East, and the West. When it rains, the seeds come up, grow, and mature, then harvested.

On thing to note, God said; “when you enter the land which I am going to give you and reap the harvest…) So, this was not done while the Israelites were in the wilderness, but when they entered Canaan! And settled that land.

The two loaves of bread were to be baked with leaven. We think of leaven as related to sin, but it is also a good thing, leaven is also related to teaching and instruction. Yes, we are all “leavened” with the “sin nature” yet we are also “leavened” by God’s Word, his Torah, which should “grow” inside of us. So just as bread swells up and grows through leaven, so we grow through the “leaven” of God’s Word.

Together with the two loaves, 7 yearling lambs were offered, also a bullock, two rams, and a drink offering were presented as burnt offerings. The lambs symbolize “Yeshua” who is the “lamb of God” the number 7 symbolizes perfection. The bullock symbolizes the “strength” of Adonai, the two rams remind us of the substitute ram which took Isaac’s place on Mt. Moriah. Two rams, perhaps one for the Jews and other for the Gentiles, with the understanding that Yeshua was the substitute and redeemer for both Israel and for the rest of the nations (HaGoyim) The drink offering was wine, which symbolizes the blood of Yeshua.

One can wonder, why 2 loaves? The number 2 in Hebrew can symbolize “union and division”. It takes 2 entities to make a covenant. In our case, Yeshua and us! Through his death, we are “united” in Him when we trust Him as our LORD and Savior, and we are “divided” from the lost world of perdition.

We can look at the number 2 as in the loaves of bread as things that come in pairs; 2 tablets of the commandments, transformation and resurrection, cleansing and purification, death and life illustrated by the believer’s baptism, but it also symbolizes the Jews and Gentiles.

We can also see parallels in Sinai and Yerushalayim; Fire came down on Sinai, it also came down at Jerusalem. The fire at Sinai did not touch the people, the fire during Jerusalem’s Pentecost DID touch each and every believer! At Sinai, the “Ruach Elohim” (Spirit of God) rested on Moshe, at Pentecost, it INDWELLED in every believer. At Sinai, the Torah was written on tables of Stone and read to the people, at Jerusalem, the Torah was written on the tables of the heart of believers. Both events took place on Shavuot, both events were accompanied by languages. At Sinai, in Hebrew, at Jerusalem, in Hebrew PLUS many, many other languages (some believe 70)

At Sinai, there was a mixed-multitude (Israelites, Egyptians, and perhaps Nubians) at Jerusalem, people from all over the then populated world. The Torah is the teaching, the Holy Spirit is the “teacher” Pentecost at Jerusalem also fulfills Isaiah’s prophecy: “For out of Zion shall come forth the Torah and the WORD of Adonai, from Jerusalem” (Isaiah 2:3)

At Sinai, the people were kept away, at Jerusalem, the people were touched by God, the glory of God came to each believer. In Old Testament times, the Spirit of God rested on only certain individuals, such as the Prophets, at Pentecost, it filled ALL BELIEVERS just as today, when a person receives Yeshua as LORD and Savior, the Holy Spirit comes to dwell inside of that person.

On another note; the Hebrew word KOLOT means both “voices” and “thunder”. At Sinai, the people heard “voices” both thunder and the voice of God. At Jerusalem, the people heard the “voices” of those who were gifted with the different languages to preach God’s WORD.

On a final note, the first fruits of the harvest can symbolize “Yeshua” and the “harvest” itself, ALL BELIEVERS who are part of it. Today, there is still much “fruit” to harvest, so, we must get busy and teach the word and share the gospel with those who have an ear to hear and a heart to accept the same.


HAG SAMEACH SHAVUOT HAPPY SHAVUOT/PENTECOST

Rabbi Ben Avraham
 
Pentecost-people.jpg
 
Hello @Jimmie,

Thank you for entering this OP regarding the feast of Pentecost. I am going to copy and print it, and verify the points you have raised, to make sure that all that you have said is true. I am sure you would not wish it to be any other way. For as with the Bereans in Acts 17, who received the word preached with all readiness of mind, but searched the Scriptures daily to make sure it was so, we must be careful to ensure that what we are receiving is the truth.

Reading it I saw little to question, but that does not mean that all is correct.

Within the love of Christ Jesus our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris
 
@complete

Why not read it first and then comment? Seems to me a strange way, to comment based on, there may be errors, when you do not know there are any.

We are all different.

Posted in love
 
SHAVUOT/PENTECOST What’s it all about?


This is the time of year when this “Moed” (appointed time) is celebrated. This year, 2021, Shavuot/Pentecost starts on the Eve of May 16th.

There are three times when all Israelites were commanded to go up to Yerushalayim to celebrate God’s appointed times, Passover, The Feast of Tabernacles, and the Feast of Weeks, known as “Shavuot” or in Greek “Pentecost” which most churches recognize. We all remember the day of “Pentecost” as when the “Ruach HaKodesh” (The Holy Spirit) fell upon all the believers that were gathered in Yerushalayim to celebrate the Feast of Weeks.

Yet the “Feast of Weeks” (Shavuot) had been celebrated yearly for the past thousand years, ever since the day that Fire fell on Mt. Sinai. That was the very first “Shavuot”. When Moshe and the People of Israel received the Torah from God at Sinai in the form of two tablets of stone, but these were just the major points of the Torah, there were to be many more details in the making.

It really goes back to Egypt when the Israelites were still slaves. YHVH made some promises to His people, and we remember those promises in the forms of the 4 cups of wine during Passover.

1. “I am YHVH, I will bring you out from under the burdens of the Egyptians
2. “I will deliver you from their bondage
3. “I will redeem you with an outstretched arm and with great judgments.
4. “I will take you for MY PEOPLE and I will be YOUR GOD.

The first three were accomplished in Egypt, then, at Sinai, on the day of Shavuot, the 4th promise was fulfilled. YHVH took the 12 tribes of Israel and united them as a NATION. The Israelites left behind Egypt, yet “Egypt” followed them across the Red Sea, in the form of mindset and philosophy and in the form of “false gods” This was evident when they made the “golden calf”. It took YHVH one day to take Israel out of Egypt, but it took 40 years to take Egypt out of Israel.

When we read Exodus 19:18,19 we read about the day of “Torah-giving” at Sinai. They received the Torah amidst lightning, thunder, the sound of the Shofar, and the voice of God. Yet when YHVH finished the 10th commandment, the people said, “Speak to us yourself Moshe, but don’t let God speak to us or we will die”

Do we wonder what would have happened if the people had not said that? Perhaps YHVH would have continued speaking out the commandments in front of all the people. But, YHVH called Moshe up to the top of the Mountain and the rest of the Torah was given. 10 commandments were spoken directly to the people by YHVH, and 603 were spoken by God to Moshe, and later, given to the people

In Leviticus, we see the commandment to celebrate Shavuot in chapter 23:15-22. They were to count “7” sabbaths (49 days) and then the next day (day 50) they were to celebrate. This time was harvest time. During the time of Passover, the barley harvest was ready, then 50 days later, the wheat harvest.

Two loaves of wheat bread were to be made and “waved” before YHVH (up towards heaven, down towards the earth, then to the North, South, East, and West) Blessing and thinking Adonai for the blessings from heaven (the rain that falls from Heaven down to the earth) blessing all the lands of the earth, those lands that are in the North, the South, the East, and the West. When it rains, the seeds come up, grow, and mature, then harvested.

On thing to note, God said; “when you enter the land which I am going to give you and reap the harvest…) So, this was not done while the Israelites were in the wilderness, but when they entered Canaan! And settled that land.

The two loaves of bread were to be baked with leaven. We think of leaven as related to sin, but it is also a good thing, leaven is also related to teaching and instruction. Yes, we are all “leavened” with the “sin nature” yet we are also “leavened” by God’s Word, his Torah, which should “grow” inside of us. So just as bread swells up and grows through leaven, so we grow through the “leaven” of God’s Word.

Together with the two loaves, 7 yearling lambs were offered, also a bullock, two rams, and a drink offering were presented as burnt offerings. The lambs symbolize “Yeshua” who is the “lamb of God” the number 7 symbolizes perfection. The bullock symbolizes the “strength” of Adonai, the two rams remind us of the substitute ram which took Isaac’s place on Mt. Moriah. Two rams, perhaps one for the Jews and other for the Gentiles, with the understanding that Yeshua was the substitute and redeemer for both Israel and for the rest of the nations (HaGoyim) The drink offering was wine, which symbolizes the blood of Yeshua.

One can wonder, why 2 loaves? The number 2 in Hebrew can symbolize “union and division”. It takes 2 entities to make a covenant. In our case, Yeshua and us! Through his death, we are “united” in Him when we trust Him as our LORD and Savior, and we are “divided” from the lost world of perdition.

We can look at the number 2 as in the loaves of bread as things that come in pairs; 2 tablets of the commandments, transformation and resurrection, cleansing and purification, death and life illustrated by the believer’s baptism, but it also symbolizes the Jews and Gentiles.

We can also see parallels in Sinai and Yerushalayim; Fire came down on Sinai, it also came down at Jerusalem. The fire at Sinai did not touch the people, the fire during Jerusalem’s Pentecost DID touch each and every believer! At Sinai, the “Ruach Elohim” (Spirit of God) rested on Moshe, at Pentecost, it INDWELLED in every believer. At Sinai, the Torah was written on tables of Stone and read to the people, at Jerusalem, the Torah was written on the tables of the heart of believers. Both events took place on Shavuot, both events were accompanied by languages. At Sinai, in Hebrew, at Jerusalem, in Hebrew PLUS many, many other languages (some believe 70)

At Sinai, there was a mixed-multitude (Israelites, Egyptians, and perhaps Nubians) at Jerusalem, people from all over the then populated world. The Torah is the teaching, the Holy Spirit is the “teacher” Pentecost at Jerusalem also fulfills Isaiah’s prophecy: “For out of Zion shall come forth the Torah and the WORD of Adonai, from Jerusalem” (Isaiah 2:3)

At Sinai, the people were kept away, at Jerusalem, the people were touched by God, the glory of God came to each believer. In Old Testament times, the Spirit of God rested on only certain individuals, such as the Prophets, at Pentecost, it filled ALL BELIEVERS just as today, when a person receives Yeshua as LORD and Savior, the Holy Spirit comes to dwell inside of that person.

On another note; the Hebrew word KOLOT means both “voices” and “thunder”. At Sinai, the people heard “voices” both thunder and the voice of God. At Jerusalem, the people heard the “voices” of those who were gifted with the different languages to preach God’s WORD.

On a final note, the first fruits of the harvest can symbolize “Yeshua” and the “harvest” itself, ALL BELIEVERS who are part of it. Today, there is still much “fruit” to harvest, so, we must get busy and teach the word and share the gospel with those who have an ear to hear and a heart to accept the same.


HAG SAMEACH SHAVUOT HAPPY SHAVUOT/PENTECOST

Rabbi Ben Avraham


Thank you Rabbi

It is always a blessing to read what you have to say.

May G-d bless you brother, in Yeshua's Name.

Shalom
 
@complete

Why not read it first and then comment? Seems to me a strange way, to comment based on, there may be errors, when you do not know there are any.

We are all different.

Posted in love
Hi @Brother-Paul,

No offence intended. I had read it prior to commenting. I wanted to thank him, and tell him of my intention. Nothing more.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
It's interesting to note that Acts 2 (the upper room) wasn't the only day of Pentecost.

At least fourteen years later, Paul was going to a day of Pentecost. (one in Jerusalem, one in Ephesus)
(Acts 20:16; and 1Cor 16:8; ) so this was likely an annual event, even after the time of the Apostles.

Of course Acts 2 isn't the only time the Holy Spirit fell on people and they spoke in tongues. ( Acts 10:46; Acts 19:6; )
It in unknown whether these events (also Acts 8:14-18; ) happened on a Sunday, but they didn't happen on a day of Pentecost.
 
It's interesting to note that Acts 2 (the upper room) wasn't the only day of Pentecost.

At least fourteen years later, Paul was going to a day of Pentecost. (one in Jerusalem, one in Ephesus)
(Acts 20:16; and 1Cor 16:8; ) so this was likely an annual event, even after the time of the Apostles.

Of course Acts 2 isn't the only time the Holy Spirit fell on people and they spoke in tongues. ( Acts 10:46; Acts 19:6; )
It in unknown whether these events (also Acts 8:14-18; ) happened on a Sunday, but they didn't happen on a day of Pentecost.


It amazes me brother, Pentecost, one of the most important days in the Christian calendar, yet the least supported and the least celebrated.

Christ was born, Christ is risen, the ekklesia was born, the ekklesia will rise also.

Yeshua ha khrīstós - Jesus the Messiah the annointed one

Shalom
 
Hello @Jimmie,

Thank you for entering this OP regarding the feast of Pentecost. I am going to copy and print it, and verify the points you have raised, to make sure that all that you have said is true. I am sure you would not wish it to be any other way. For as with the Bereans in Acts 17, who received the word preached with all readiness of mind, but searched the Scriptures daily to make sure it was so, we must be careful to ensure that what we are receiving is the truth.

Reading it I saw little to question, but that does not mean that all is correct.

Within the love of Christ Jesus our risen and glorified
Saviour, Lord and Head.
Chris
________________________________________________________________________________________________

Thank you for your comment, yes, go ahead and print it, and check out the details, There are some things that are taught that are not, per say "Black and white" We can not be 100% certain, but the evidence leads in a certain way. Such as "Did Adam and Eve have an aura of light as a covering before they sinned? We don't know for sure, but many say "Yes" because when Moshe came down from Sinai after receiving the commandments, the skin on his face "Shone" because he had been in the presence of Adonai, so, if he had been in the presence of Adonai, and as a result, he was "shining" also, Adam and Eve must have been shining even more because they were "sinless" at that time.

Also, words "OR" in Hebrew mean both "light" and "Skin" but the difference is the spelling of the first letter.
Another is: When a tree fell in the forest 6,000 years ago, did it make a noise? Well, you weren't there so you really don't know, but if a tree falls in the forest now, and you hear it, yes, it makes a noise, so 6,000 years ago, it must have made a noise too. Some things in God's Word we must "assume" based on prior evidence of similar happenings, unless of course, it is stated plainly.
 
In Leviticus 23 'The Feasts of the Lord' are listed:-

1) The Sabbath
2) The Passover
3) The Feast of Firstfruits
4) The Feast of Weeks - (Pentecost ['Pentekoste'] = 50th from Passover)
5) The Feast of Trumpets
6) The Day of Atonement
7) The Feast of Booths

* Pentecost falls on the fourth of these feasts, 'The Feast of Weeks'

'And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath,
from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering; seven sabbaths shall be complete:
Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days;
and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.
Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals:
....................................................................... they shall be of fine flour;
....................................................................... they shall be baken with leaven;
....................................................................... they are the firstfruits unto the LORD.
And ye shall offer with the bread seven lambs without blemish of the first year,
.............................................. and one young bullock,
.............................................. and two rams:
they shall be for a burnt offering unto the LORD,
.............................................. with their meat offering,
.............................................. and their drink offerings,
even an offering made by fire, of sweet savour unto the LORD.
Then ye shall sacrifice one kid of the goats for a sin offering,
and two lambs of the first year for a sacrifice of peace offerings.
And the priest shall wave them with the bread of the firstfruits for a wave offering before the LORD,
with the two lambs: they shall be holy to the LORD for the priest.
And ye shall proclaim on the selfsame day, that it may be an holy convocation unto you:
ye shall do no servile work therein:
it shall be a statute for ever in all your dwellings throughout your generations.
And when ye reap the harvest of your land,
thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest,
neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest:
thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger:
I am the LORD your God.'
(Lev. 23:15-22)

* I am in the process of understanding the significance of these things more fully, so forgive me that I leave it at this point. I have to go off-line now.
* If you have anything to contribute for my edification, please do.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
'To whom also He shewed himself alive after His passion by many infallible proofs,
being seen of them forty days, and speaking of the things pertaining to the kingdom of God:
And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem,
but wait for
the promise of the Father, which, saith He, ye have heard of Me.
For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.

(Act 1:3-5)

'But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you:
and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea,
and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.'

(Act 1:8)

Hello there, @Jimmie,

Why did the promise of the Father, referenced by the Lord Jesus (Luke 24:49 ) and promised to the eleven, fall on the first day of 'The Feast of Pentecost'? (John 14:26-28; John 16:7-15). Nothing happens in Scripture without a purpose, and the first day of the feast of Passover was chosen for this purpose, why?

It was perfect from the point of view that all Jews, from the land and the dispersion were in Jerusalem for the feast, and would, as a consequence of the endowment of the Holy Spirit hear the gospel message in their own tongue, and would take that message back to the countries that they had come from, thereby making the gospel known widely. However, I am eager to know what part, symbolically, the feast itself had upon this?
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* While the length of Israel's year was the same as our own, there are only seven months noted in the calendar of their feasts. These feasts are prophetic, and set forth in type and shadow the whole course of Israel's history from the day that they became a nation (Exodus 12:2) until the great future day of ingathering at the time of the end. The fact that the Lord has used seven months only in which to show this typical unfolding is but further evidence that the number seven is intimately associated with the purpose of the ages. The fact that creation occupied six days, followed by a sabbath of rest indicates that at the very beginning God had this 'rest' in view. (Hebrews 4:9)

Seven Days - 'The seventh day is a sabbath of rest' (Lev. 23:3)
Seven Weeks - 'Seven sabbaths shall be complete' (Lev. 23:15)
Seven Months - 'In the seventh month' (Lev. 23:24)
Seven Years - 'The seventh year shall be a sabbath of rest' (Lev. 25:4)
Seven times seven Years - 'It shall be a Jubilee unto you' (Lev. 25:8-13)
Seventy times seven Years - 'Seventy weeks are determined' (Dan. 9:24)

* Pentecost cannot be understood if it be taken out of its place in this series of typical periods. To attempt to fit Pentecost into the 'church' destroys both the typical character of the feast, and the distinctive character of the 'church'.

The feasts of the Lord, then, of Leviticus 23, are as follows:-

Redemption by Blood:-
Lev. 23:5 - Passover
Lev. 23:6-8 - Unleavened Bread (Seven days - Egypt)

Reaping:-
Lev. 23:9-14 - Firstfruits
Lev. 23:15-21 - Pentecost
Lev. 23:22 - Harvest
Lev. 23:22-25 - Trumpets

Atonement by Blood:-
Lev.23: 27-32 - Day of Atonement
Lev.23:34-44 - Tabernacles (Seven days - Egypt)

* The Lord knew that Israel would not repent and be gathered the first time, and that the purpose of the ages would reach out to the trumpets of the Apocalypse and the harvest at the end of the age. Nevertheless the feast of Pentecost was an anticipation of harvest, just as First-fruits was, and the gathering of Israel to Jerusalem at this period was an anticipation of that great gathering at the time of the end. Yes?

* A peculiar feature of Pentecost is that a new meal offering was commanded:-

'Ye shall bring out of your habitations two wave loaves of two tenth deals:
They shall be of fine flour; they shall be baken with leaven;
they are the first-fruits unto the Lord'

(Lev. 23:17)

* It had been commanded that, 'no meal offering, which ye shall bring unto the Lord, shall be made with leaven: for ye shall burn no leaven, nor any honey, in any offering of the Lord made by fire' (Leviticus 2:11). The two leaven loaves of Pentecost cannot therefore typify Christ: they are a first-fruits, and typify His people. The reason why two loaves were specified appears to be that the Lord knew that the kingdom would be divided, and that at therestoration the tentribes and the two tribes (commonly spoken of as Israel and Judah) would come together again as one before Him. Ezekiel 37:15-28 sets this forth under the figure of the two sticks: 'I will make them one nation ... they shall be no more two'(Ezekiel 37:22).

* The appointment of Matthias to complete the number of the twelve (Acts 1:12-26), and the gathering of Jews from twelve of the nations round about, are therefore features that are living and harmonious when Pentecost is seen in the light of God's purpose to gather Israel again and restore the Kingdom. But their import is lost when Pentecost is misinterpreted as of the inception of the 'church', and, indeed, those who most strongly advocate the doctrine that the 'church' began at Pentecost have among them those who do not hesitate to call the appointment of Matthias an 'apostolic mistake'.

* I was led to the notes above found in a book that I have on my shelves called 'The Berean Expositor 'Vols.24-26), quoted from the dotted line.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
promised to the eleven, fall on the first day of 'The Feast of Pentecost'?

Where does it say this? Specifically where does it say it would be the first day. (It was the last day).

the first day of the feast of Passover was chosen for this purpose, why?

Where are you getting this?

Matt 26:17; Now on the first day of Unleavened Bread the disciples came to Jesus and asked, "Where do You want us to prepare for You to eat the Passover?"
Matt 26:18; And He said, "Go into the city to a certain man, and say to him, 'The Teacher says, "My time is near; I am to keep the Passover at your house with My disciples."'"
Matt 26:19; The disciples did as Jesus had directed them; and they prepared the Passover.

Jesus was alive and well when Passover started. But even after He died, the Spirit wasn't given yet.

Acts 1:3; To these He also presented Himself alive after His suffering, by many convincing proofs, appearing to them over a period of forty days and speaking of the things concerning the kingdom of God.

Even after Jesus was resurrected, He walked around for 40 days, and the baptism of the Holy Spirit, still wasn't given until over a week later in the upper room (Acts 2).

I am eager to know what part, symbolically, the feast itself had upon this?

You don't what passover is? You don't know the reason for it?

To attempt to fit Pentecost into the 'church' destroys both the typical character of the feast, and the distinctive character of the 'church'.

Really? Paul went to a couple of feasts of Pentecost at least 14 years after Jesus was ascended.

Acts 20:16; For Paul had decided to sail past Ephesus so that he would not have to spend time in Asia; for he was hurrying to be in Jerusalem, if possible, on the day of Pentecost.
1Cor 16:8; But I will remain in Ephesus until Pentecost;

But their import is lost when Pentecost is misinterpreted as of the inception of the 'church', and, indeed, those who most strongly advocate the doctrine that the 'church' began at Pentecost have among them those who do not hesitate to call the appointment of Matthias an 'apostolic mistake'.

John 3:3; Jesus answered and said to him, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God."
John 3:4; Nicodemus *said to Him, "How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb and be born, can he?"
John 3:5; Jesus answered, "Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:6; "That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
John 3:7; "Do not be amazed that I said to you, 'You must be born again.'
John 3:8; "The wind blows where it wishes and you hear the sound of it, but do not know where it comes from and where it is going; so is everyone who is born of the Spirit."

Being born again (born from above) is being born of the Spirit. If you aren't born again, you aren't part of the church.
Pentecost signifies the first time the Holy Spirit fell upon "the church". As there wasn't really a "church" per se in the old testament.
 
'And when the day of Pentecost was fully come,
they were all with one accord in one place.'
(Act 2:1)

:love:
 
'And ye shall count unto you from the morrow after the sabbath,
from the day that ye brought the sheaf of the wave offering;
seven sabbaths shall be complete:
Even unto the morrow after the seventh sabbath shall ye number fifty days;
and ye shall offer a new meat offering unto the LORD.'
(Lev 23:15)

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'And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees:
.. therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down,
.... and cast into the fire.
...... I indeed baptize you with water unto repentance:
........ but He that cometh after me is mightier than I,
........ Whose shoes I am not worthy to bear:
...... He shall baptize you with the Holy Ghost, and with fire:
.... Whose fan is in His hand, and He will throughly purge His floor,
.. and gather His wheat into the garner;
but He will burn up the chaff with unquenchable fire.'


Hello again,

Jimmie draws our attention to the fire that came on the mountain of Sinai in which God dwelt, and contrasts that with the fire that came down at Pentecost. I have read that the Synagogue Lessons for the Feast Day were from the Law, Deuteronomy 16, or Exodus 19; from the Psalms, Psalm 29 or 68; and from the Prophets, Ezekiel 1 or Habakkuk 3.

I have read also that of these passages, Deuteronomy 16 gives the Law setting up the Feast. Exodus 19 records the arrival of the children of Israel at Sinai and the subsequent theophany. This passage was read because, according to the Jewish reckoning, the arrival at Sinai took place on the fiftieth day from the Passover in Egypt. Habakkuk 3, and Psalms 29 and 68 will all be found to contain reminiscences of Sinai and the Exodus. The same cannot be said of Ezekiel 1, which seems to have been included on account of resemblances between the theophany there recorded and that on Mount Sinai. Thus, to the Jews Pentecost had the dual significance of a Harvest Festival and the commemoration of the giving of the Law. Tabernacles also had a dual significance - it is the Feast of in-gathering and also a reminder that Israel dwelt in tents during the Exodus.

Coming to Acts 2. Is it not remarkable that on the day when the minds of pious Jews were turned to such passages as those just referred to, there should come from heaven the sound as of the rushing of a mighty wind and tongues like as a fire? Yet, these physical manifestations are found in Ezekiel 1 and Exodus 19 chosen by the Rabbis for the Pentecost Synagogue Lessons.

The inference drawn is that in Acts 2 we have the incipient inauguration of the 'New Covenant' predicted in Jeremiah 31. It is true that the whole of Jeremiah 31 was not then fulfilled, but the same thing applies to Peter's quotation from Joel 2. If this suggestion be correct, the rushing of the mighty wind, and possibly also the fiery tongues, are intended to remind us of the Old Testament theophanies, and particularly that in Exodus 19.

As regards the Harvest aspect of the Festival, it is interesting to notice that the 'saying' predicting the baptism of the Spirit in Matthew 3 (quoted above) occurs between two 'sayings' concerning the harvest. Fruit trees in verse 10, and wheat in verse 12. Also, with this in mind, it is interesting to notice that just before the words quoted from Joel 2, we have several Harvest allusions, eg., 'corn and wine and oil'; verse 22: 'for the tree beareth her fruit, the fig tree and the vine do yield their strength'; verse 24: 'and the floors shall be full of wheat and the vats shall overflow with wine and oil.'

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris
 
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