Searching for God

[spirit1st]

He calls all of us .He died for ALL MANKIND 100%

He gave all faith so they could be saved.

He reveals Himself to all. I believe those scriptures do explain it well. All have the chance . Few accept it.

All have predestination.

Joh 3:16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.


So we SEE ? God wants all the world saved. Not just a few.

I believe more than this? But I do not feel led to reveal it.

But He did die for All of Mankind the scriptures are very clear in this.

If indeed those scriptures are truth ? Then it not just a few He picked out before He created this planet .

Think some thing was in us from before we were created was better than others is not even close to truth. But it can make some think they are better than others and cause them to sin by looking down on others.

It a dangerous way to think.

Who did HE DIE FOR?
1Jn_2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.

This is just the way I see it. If you disagree I do not mind. But I think it wrong for some to think they are more and the rest are doomed without any hope no matter what they do or if they repent or even to care.

 

[Sargento]

I believe I answered it in # 35: "I'm certain that all who are saved were drawn by the Father to the Lord Jesus and are eternally saved (Rom 11:29). Again also, we are saying the same thing. Scripture is not clear why God wills or wills not to draw a soul to Christ, but it is definite that all who come to Christ were drawn and given by the Father and will not perish. There still lacks a sufficient answer to the reason why God will save some and not others, but salvation requires this drawing. He foreknew from eternity past that the generality of mankind would perish but did it for those He knew would not perish.

Concerning predestination, I believe Romans 9 addresses it the most and I'm still in much study and need of understanding (from the Spirit) how it collates with this issue.

Netchaplain...

If Christ ensures that from those who the FATHER draws to HIM (to Christ) none shall be lost how can there be a chance of resisting the FATHER drawing?

 

[NetChaplain]

Netchaplain...

If Christ ensures that from those who the FATHER draws to HIM (to Christ) none shall be lost how can there be a chance of resisting the FATHER drawing?

Good question, which is part of what I'm still in study of and why I believe His drawing can still possibly be resisted. I believe the answer to that and a few others concerning His "drawing" will be more understandable if it can be known why God would draw some and not others (which I believe is not necessary for us to know--nor is it revealed in Scripture), considering the drawing is required for salvation. This is why it is thought of by some that His sending of Jesus was a call to mankind, but when considering predestination, it was for those whom He would draw to Christ.

I believe I understand part of it, which is that He would not be unjust in drawing no man, but He does out of His grace, which choice of His was made in eternity past, before the doing of good or evil of anyone. This would be the greatest mystery answered if it were allowed to be known!!

 

[NetChaplain]

He calls all of us .He died for ALL MANKIND 100%

Christ died for the world but the "called" (Rom 1:6; 8:28) are "few" (Matt 7:13, 14) out of the world. As you know, the called are the "elect," which are those whom are predestined for eternal life: "Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified" (Rom 8:30).

He gave all faith so they could be saved.

"According as God hath dealt to every man the measure of faith" (Rom 12:3). I believe the phrase "every man" in this passage refers only to the elect or "to every man that is among you" (v 3), because "not all men have faith" (2 Thess 3:2): "No man has faith of himself, it is the gift of God (Gal 5:22), and the operation of His Spirit (John 3:5, 6, 8); and it is only given to the elect of God, who are ordained unto eternal life, and therefore it is called "the faith of God's elect" (Titus 1:1); all mankind have it not, none but Christ's sheep; and the reason why others have it not is, because they are not of His sheep." -J Gill

 

[spirit1st]

I disagree. I believe He gives all a measure of faith so all has the chance to be saved.

And He called all too be saved , But few are the Elect ,because few answers that call.

All the Elect were once called and were tried and tested and then Born Again. Making them one of the Elect. Which is a New Spirit and a eternal Relationship with our Father God forever more.

Mat_22:14 For many are called, but few are chosen.


WE already shown ? HE died for all mankind and His will is for all to be saved. He had to make it possible for all to be saved if it is His will for all to come to salvation.

2Pe_3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Only way it could be. That He provided the means and way for all too be saved.

 

[spirit1st]

He reveals HIMSELF to all mankind . He done all He could to make the way for all too have salvation. It will be Only our fault if we go to Hell.

Rom 1:18 For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who hold the truth in unrighteousness;
Rom 1:19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them.
Rom 1:20 For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21 Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.

 

[NetChaplain]

2Pe_3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Only way it could be. That He provided the means and way for all too be saved.

You have some applicable points but all must be weighed in the balance of Scripture. This passage is a good example and is often misunderstood. Please allow me the liberty to paraphrase what I have learned this to mean:

"The Lord is not slack concerning his promise": He means what He said concerning His return

"As some men count slackness": as some were doubting the promise

"But is longsuffering to us-ward": is patient towards the elect until all are in

"Not willing that any should perish": any of the elect (the rest will perish).

"But that all should come to repentance": all of the elect that is, for many elect have yet to come to repentance and rebirth

 

[spirit1st]

He long suffering on this entire world. He allowed all this vile evil junk by grace. That why He also says our works do follow. Meaning the seeds of truth that we plant in others. Many will grow and cause others who had refused salvation to accept it.

Some plant the seeds of truth and others lead them to the LORD later.

God wants all to be saved. Look I do not like saying this, But I believe many who go to hell will on the judgment day get salvation.

But they will have repented from serious suffering. I do not know this for a fact. But it does appear that way to me.


Dan_12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

That sleep there I believe is just not doing anything worth wild so to speak. I believe these are in hell and are bought up on the judgment day.

But I would not count on any salvation after we leave these bodies. Plus we lose so much by not accepting Him and having the relationship He wants us too.

2Co_6:2 (For he saith, I have heard thee in a time accepted, and in the day of salvation have I succoured thee: behold, now is the accepted time; behold, now is the day of salvation.)

People suffer so much ,even those who are the Elect , Because they do not seek this personal one on one Relationship daily.

It only took One sin to destroy this planet and every creature on it . God Himself has suffered since before the foundations of the earth were made. Those planet He made that holds our planet in place. That when the long suffering begin.

2Co_10:12 For we dare not make ourselves of the number, or compare ourselves with some that commend themselves: but they measuring themselves by themselves, and comparing themselves among themselves, are not wise.

That Because He sees All mankind as sinners 100% none a better sinner or less sinner. He said ? If you break one commandment you Broke them All.

God does not think like we might? WE sometimes think we are better than others , because we think our so called small sin is not near as bad as there big sin? When He sees it all as Evil 100%.

That is a place Pride can come from . Looking down on others as if we are better. The question is are we better ? Of course not.

In fact we who are taught by the LORD are expected to do better than others . But I find we might be worse? Beating the weak down ,and lifting up ourselves?

But I do not mind or get upset if we disagree .

 

[NetChaplain]

But I do not mind or get upset if we disagree .

Me too and thanks for the heart-shared reply. Love you in Christ!

 

[Sargento]

NETCHAPLAIN...

Good question, which is part of what I'm still in study of and why I believe His drawing can still possibly be resisted. I believe the answer to that and a few others concerning His "drawing" will be more understandable if it can be known why God would draw some and not others (which I believe is not necessary for us to know--nor is it revealed in Scripture), considering the drawing is required for salvation. This is why it is thought of by some that His sending of Jesus was a call to mankind, but when considering predestination, it was for those whom He would draw to Christ.

I believe I understand part of it, which is that He would not be unjust in drawing no man, but He does out of His grace, which choice of His was made in eternity past, before the doing of good or evil of anyone. This would be the greatest mystery answered if it were allowed to be known!!

Ok... I'm gonna ask you this in another way to see if we can understand each other.

Why do you think HIS drawing can be resisted.

 

[NetChaplain]

Why do you think HIS drawing can be resisted.

I'm on the fence on that one, that's why I said "can still possibly be resisted." Superficially, the concept of God not drawing others has an appearance of a "respect of persons," which God does not possess (1 Pet 1:17).

 

[spirit1st]

Because we All have choice. We decide it all. We will never be able to say ?It His or someone else at fault.

We go to hell? It our fault. We go to heaven [NEW JERUSALEM] It because we accept His gospel and Him as our LORD from our Heart.

 

[will]

OK NetChaplain....
GOD offers salvation to all... all are invited.
The elect know it is by election and pure mercy of GOD that we trust and love HIM, but the wicked think that its in their hands and it's up to him to refuse o accept the gospel...

So we preach the gospel to all... we call everyone.... Jesus also call the Jews, Noah called all man, even Mouses "called" the Pharaoh to let the people of GOD go; but to how many is given the grace of believing and accepting it?
Because the believe and acceptance in the gospel is the grace of GOD that changed one's heart... in order to someone to accept the gospel HE has to make him reborn and change his will from evil to god, which by it self is already a free-will violation (unless you also think that you regenerate yourself).


If all can believe in the gospel than do it... why would they perish??? Why do they all choose death?


And with that in mind each one will be judged his by his own judgement.... if you could accept why didn't you?

God created the wicked with the purpose of serving the day of evil ... HE did not had to judge them because all is HIS and HE does what HE want with what is HIS, but to be fair (for HE primes for fairness) he invites them all to change their hearts, and in the end HE will judge what were they able to do and show them their sin so they become CONVICTED of their sin... because once the flesh is removed the hearts will be exposed... when the temporary is canceled the eternal will be exposed.. this will happen in the day of the LORD.

In all these explanations, you do not account for the concept of growth.
You only specify two categories of people, the elect, and the wicked, and the choice to be in either category is removed from a person.

If this is how you perceive the Scriptures, no wonder why you seem to have such conviction, because this way of seeing the Scripture requires it. You have to be "committed" to this line of thinking so you can defend it from others. All these does is to prove that a human being indeed have the free-will to decide what it is he wants to believe.

I invite you to re-examine this view, to go back under the supernatural teaching from the Holy Spirit, to be grown by Him, not by your own intellectual strength. I invite you to recall where did you get the concept of "the elect" vs "the wicked" and if the answer to that question is not the Holy Spirit, then it is man-made.

Notice that I am not debating with you regarding the doctrine of predestination, because I find no benefit in doing that. You and I have to make the choice whether we are to be open to receive Spiritual nourishments from the Scriptures *and* the Holy Spirit.

In fact, I am going further by reaching out to you as a brother in Christ and inviting you to go back and participate in the most important thing we can do in our remaining time on this earth, that is to be grown by God and to fulfill our Commission, to make disciples. His disciples.

 

[will]

NETCHAPLAIN...



Ok... I'm gonna ask you this in another way to see if we can understand each other.

Why do you think HIS drawing can be resisted.

Sargento, this is a laser-focused question that every believer needs to answer.
I believe that God's drawing can have four different outcomes depending on the condition of the heart of the person.
These four outcomes are listed in the Parable of the Soles (Luke 8:4-21).

I also believe that the condition of our hearts changes throughout our lives.