I find it funny how pastors stay away from certain scriptures in the Bible. One example of these scripture is 1 Corinthians 6:9-11, which gives harsh warning to people that will not see the kingdom of God for comitting certain sins such as adaltury, fornication, drunkinness, homosexuality and others. The main thing about this set of verses is that they are written to the church of believers. Since this is the case it throws down many of the teachings in our churches today. Like the once saved always saved all past present and future sins are forgiven you so you do not need to check yourself or your heart with the word of God. Live like the devil and go to heaven because ou said a prayer one time in your life.
Scriptures pastors never talk about.
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any pastor that would avoid these Scriptures is in serious error. This is tragic and anything but funny. The best way to preach is Book by Book and that way all verses are covered, that's called expository preaching. Topical preaching is ok but not on a regular basis....that is what I have been taught and I believe it to be very true.
The Doctrin of once saved always saved is often misunderstood. There are those seeing "fire insurance from hell" when we surrender to Jesus Christ, repent, and follow Him and endure with Him to the end, that is eternal salvation for eternity. Just saying a prayer that aperson leds you in is not salvation, that is a seed. Now what kind of soil that seed lands in / on depends on the person. Being genuine means our life takes shape to become like Jesus. Becoming a christian is not accomplished in a few years, but it takes a lifetime.
1John 1:9-10 more fully deals with the fact we are sinful people, and when we do sin we simply must confess our sin and Jesus cleanses us and forgives us. But i f we say we do not sin then that makes Jesus sacrifice something we cause to be a lie, because we do sin and need forgiveness and right standing before our Holy and Just God. t
Only when we are with God in heaven will we know sinless perfection. PRAISE THE LORD!!
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While there are undoubtedly many pastors who miss the mark of their calling as indicated in the OP, is it correct to lump them all together as if none were working to do it correctly? If the Holy Spirit is real, which I and others will testify to, then some apparently who are claiming that they have received the Holy Spirit are ignoring or rejecting or quenching too frequently. Having said that we must be cautious about pointing accusing fingers at any one specifically by name. Only God knows all of the hearts of all of those He has called as pastors. If we find ourselves sitting under a pastor who is missing the mark, what are our choices?
I hear many messages on these things .......... I preach on these things..............A man called of God must preach what God gives him to preach, if he does not, he may have the title of pastor but he is not fulfilling the duty
Many go to church who are not Born -again ! In fac6t more go who are Not than are !
1Jn_2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Many think they fool GOD , and do fool us at times ?
People reveal what they want you to believe ?
2Th_2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Ti_5:6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
Of course this is talking about Spiritually Dead to GOD !
Here is one , I never hear preached on it church !
1Co 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
there is lots more ! But if we just Hear our LORD and Follow only Him ? we do not need to worry about , how close or not are others !
He will reveal to us what we say or do , if we Ask and trust in HIM !
1Jn_2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
Many think they fool GOD , and do fool us at times ?
People reveal what they want you to believe ?
2Th_2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Ti_5:6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.
Of course this is talking about Spiritually Dead to GOD !
Here is one , I never hear preached on it church !
1Co 6:4 If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church.
there is lots more ! But if we just Hear our LORD and Follow only Him ? we do not need to worry about , how close or not are others !
He will reveal to us what we say or do , if we Ask and trust in HIM !
what a powerful statement. more people sitting in the pew are not born again. the sad truth to this is that it is the churches fault. they have become more about getting people into the pews than getting them into christ. many even teach that it is more imrtant to invite people to church than it is to share christ to them and giving them the message of christ in hopes that they are moved by the spirit of conviction. business has ruled over the churches not christ it is a sad thing.
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It may be a sad fact of life that many who preach obtain their living
from the congregation. They also must adhere to the constitution of
their denomination, my heart goes out to these unfortunate folk.
Preaching on sin and death and the blood of Christ, and the death of the old
man in Christ, will not put much food on the minister's table. Creating a
conflict in the mind of the audience is not profitable, nor is it in the best interests
of the business that employs them.
We must not ever, ever tell the full truth must we.
I think it odd many preachers think the Most Important part of the service is always there preaching 1 that there words is what is the life line of the church!
When the truth is ? It when we worship our LORD JESUS !
It never to be just one person doing it all !
1Co_14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
In most churches it really gotten messed up .
Psa_22:3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
We are All part of the spiritual israel now! grafted into the tribe of Judah !
Lots of things i personally would like to see different in most churches ! But Still I Love going to church ! Mainly for the worshipping !
But i do lay hands on some and pray for them , People walk by me lots before chuirch and Some how i pick out certain people to pray for ? I hope it the Holy Ghost leading me ?
but lots of times , that when i get taught One on One by the HOLY GHOST ! Sometimes i do not even hear the pastor ?
When the truth is ? It when we worship our LORD JESUS !
It never to be just one person doing it all !
1Co_14:26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
In most churches it really gotten messed up .
Psa_22:3 But thou art holy, O thou that inhabitest the praises of Israel.
We are All part of the spiritual israel now! grafted into the tribe of Judah !
Lots of things i personally would like to see different in most churches ! But Still I Love going to church ! Mainly for the worshipping !
But i do lay hands on some and pray for them , People walk by me lots before chuirch and Some how i pick out certain people to pray for ? I hope it the Holy Ghost leading me ?
but lots of times , that when i get taught One on One by the HOLY GHOST ! Sometimes i do not even hear the pastor ?
I thought the scripture pastors never talk about is how the tithe is for the poor and not for the church coffers. The whole *false* church system is based upon a faulty interpretation of the system of tithing...this is what keeps pastors in a job. Take away this tithing system and will clear out most of the preaching garbage from the pulpit. Then they'll have to seriously think about what they are preaching and why they are in the job. Will they still be a preacher if the money dries up. Tithing is part of the churches business model.. in fact my old church not only uses tithes but they also use gambling funds to pay for church upkeep. Did you see that? Gambling funds. God never told poor people to tithe.. yet preachers tell people, even poor people to tithe all the time, and with thinly veiled threats of financial curse or blessing if you don't. My view is, if they don't preach the right things, they don't get paid. If any of us in our regular jobs don't perform, we don't get paid.. if preachers want to play the game by the worlds system, why should it be any different for preachers. But by scriptural principle of fairness.. pastors should be paid..there's nothing wrong with making a living from preaching the gospel. Their job is tougher than most of ours, and they have to work on weekends and get call outs all and any time of the night, have to deal with sickness and death and even worse.. those hour long weddings....
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Brad: I don't personally know "many" pastors that avoid any Scriptures. That most likely is because in my area of Southern Baptist churches are prety conserative. I am quite limited in my travels, except to church and the weekly Doctors appointment which is 100 miles each way. Our pastor is 89 years old and got saved at 62! That's remarkable! Wonderful couple and they love the people of the church, and we love then as well.
By the way when someone puts OP in a post what does that mean? Blessings.
By the way when someone puts OP in a post what does that mean? Blessings.
that is another sad fact. it is not our talking that does anything. the truth of the outl ine of church meeting biblically is not what is done in the churches either. we are all going through a walk and learn different lessons in our walk that we are to share with the other belivers as a whole. the bible also states for us to share our sins with one another. this is so that we can recieve wise councal from other believers that may have had the same issues at one point in their own lives, not for us to be judgeed or to judge the individule.
the truth is that these are some more scritures that pastors want to run and hide from. sad but the business is what is more important to the churches. tonight i was talking to a man about ministry and all he could talk about was how much their church brought in of funds by doing an online quilt auction. this is what church has become and it is time for churches to wake up and christians that are or have been sleeping to wake up.
Farout this is one of those statement that reek with denomination and and church building being the church rather than the church being the people that have truly accepted Christ. it holds no leverage for any kind of real growth or soul searching in Christ. all pastors are taught to show love to their congregation because it keeps people coming back to church rather than facing the harsh truth of their own wickedness. it feeds their feelers and need for acceptance more than showing them their need of Christ.
ushalk, brother in Christ: Please, Constitutions are not "garabage". Constitutations are that body's of believers statement of faith, and how they will opperate as a group, D we vote as a body or does the pastor and elders choose everything for the body. Who takes care of the finances, who can be a member? Do we accept people for membership who will not be baptised? These are all in a constitution, and to be a tax exempt church andnmembers can use their giving on their income tax. All 501 3c organizations are legally required to record their constitutions with the state the church is located. So it really is not "garbage". Denomination's is another thread on TJ that is active now, so leave that for there.
I you want to be a steet preacher then you would not have to be concerned about any of the things you mention, except to report to the IRS id tou receive and money while doing this street preaching. Jesus Himselg sais to give to the government what is due it. Paul told us to do things orderly, and that is the right way to do things. If a person is called to preach being and acting like this was the "old west" just does not work in the world in which you and I live. We are told to obey the laws of our country unless they violate God's law.
It sounds like you are eager to preach, am ai right? I think there are a number of preachers here on TJ that could help if you want. Blessings
well you are entitled to your opinion. but if you do not think that christ is sufficient for what is needed then i wonder where your heart truly lies.
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We can blame the ministers for such an action yes but at the end of the day we stand alone before God ,we should ck our hearts Dailey no matter what or shame on us as we stand accountable before God alone ..Rev
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ushalk: What I stated is not my opinion those were facts. Concern for my heart I appreciate, we are told to pray for one another. I assure you I know beyond a doubt that Christ has always been sufficient in meeting everything I needed according to HIS WILL. From time I left my parents house to join the NAVY, which was nearly 50 years ago, the LORD God Almighty has been sufficiently blessed me, beyond what I deserved.
"i wonder where your heart lies." Thank you for asking. I think we need to ask one another how we are doing Spiritually, meaning how's your walk with Jesus? Scripture says we need to examine our life when we take the Lord's supper. So I say it has been me and my wife habit to do a Kay Aurthur's Preciept For Life Bible study for a good length of time. However in the last couple of weeks our time of Bible study has been taken away by other demands that we could not avoid. I feel missing that time together has brought uneasiness in my spiritual life. On Monday we get back to our regular daily study. Thanks for asking.
I read you have been a Christian for two years. How are you being descipled? A new christian needs someone to help then be accountable to grow in Bible Study, church attendance, and to pray together. Sometimes new christians begib to think they are growing so good that they can become a nit picker at church and different things. So be careful how you are consistant in your spiritual growth. I was eleven years old when I surrendered to Jesus Christ. I have been so blessed with those who helped me grow and learn how to study the Bible and apply Scripture into my life. Blessings brother.
"i wonder where your heart lies." Thank you for asking. I think we need to ask one another how we are doing Spiritually, meaning how's your walk with Jesus? Scripture says we need to examine our life when we take the Lord's supper. So I say it has been me and my wife habit to do a Kay Aurthur's Preciept For Life Bible study for a good length of time. However in the last couple of weeks our time of Bible study has been taken away by other demands that we could not avoid. I feel missing that time together has brought uneasiness in my spiritual life. On Monday we get back to our regular daily study. Thanks for asking.
I read you have been a Christian for two years. How are you being descipled? A new christian needs someone to help then be accountable to grow in Bible Study, church attendance, and to pray together. Sometimes new christians begib to think they are growing so good that they can become a nit picker at church and different things. So be careful how you are consistant in your spiritual growth. I was eleven years old when I surrendered to Jesus Christ. I have been so blessed with those who helped me grow and learn how to study the Bible and apply Scripture into my life. Blessings brother.
i love that you stated that. it is true. but it is also a copout that semenary taught pastors use so that they do not have to look at the falseness they are teaching and misleading millions of peoploe with. i am getting the notion that all semenary taught pastors are taught in school is how to justify their garbage and damn the world for theirs or other true christians.
thank you for your honesty. i am not sure where people are getting that i have only been a christian for 2 years. i admit that i have become quite discouraged with many of the false judgements that churches and church leaders have laid upon without knowing me. i am concerned at the way many judge others in the world and in the churches all together. i am also stressed that so many tell me that i need to quit ministering to the unsaved and hurting. when i read about jesus i see that he went to those people and even ate with them in order to minister to them. i am so tired of going into a church and and having the holy spirit quenched with church business. stop for this announcement stop for that one to. i am frustrated with church in america all together. after seeing churches over seas where they know that they can be killed for thier faith, yet they stand for christ and announce him and worship him not caring what people think or what could happen to them. here in america church is more of a mockery than a zeal for christ by any and all means. most people in america think that ministry is inviting people to their churches and ignoring christ as the key to salvation. because man the church has so many cool flesh feeding activities that will never lead anyone to christ, but man they will come to your churches wont they.
