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Sabbath - Hebrews 4:9

slimsavery

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Hi there, I hope everyone had a great Christmad

The following from Hebrews 4:9 seems to differ from the view on the sabbath that I have been taught;

Again, he limiteth a certain day, saying in David, To day, after so long a time; as it is said, To day if ye will hear his voice, harden not your hearts.

8For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day.
9There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 11Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

Verse 9 seems to indicate that the sabbath should still be obeyed but I have been taught the following;

" However, 9 of the Ten Commandments are repeated in the New Testament (all except the command to observe the Sabbath day)"

I had a look on wikepedia and it summed up the above by saying

" While a clear mandate is given for the Sabbath in Exodus 20:8-11 and Deuteronomy 5:12-15, the closest passage to a command for Sabbath-keeping in the New Testament is found in Hebrews 4:9, which describes the Sabbath not as a day, but instead as a state of being, the context and grammar of the passage indicate otherwise, its literal translation is "Sabbath observance"

could anyone advise me on this - I would be so grateful.

Thanks

David
 
Only thing I can think of right now is that the letter of the law was done away with in that Christ paid the price of our sin. It did not mean the sabbath being done away with as well. The Law still stands and will till time end. We are just no longer required to pay it's price.

theajkman
 
You are exactly right. The sabbath is still in place, Saturday, the 7th day, the day of rest. There are countless places in the new testament that tell us to obey the commandmentS. The place you CAN find in the new testament where we are commanded to keep the sabbath is by our perfect example Jesus Christ. He kept the sabbath and taught His disciples to keep the sabbath. The sabbath was diligently kept by most christians up until the coucil of Nicea in 325 when Constatine, a former pagan, changed the sabbath to accomodate the sun worshipping pagans. It was an attempt to unify the pagans and christians, not an attempt to follow every word of God.
Mark 7:9 And He said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Be full aware that many decieved people (Rev 12:9) will try to justify not keeping Gods sabbath by using Colossians 2:16 where Paul is instructing gentiles who previously knew nothing of God or of His Holy Days. Gods's ministers taught them to observe the sabbath and the Holy Days, and outsiders called them in question for doing so.
If you are interested I can share with you many more verses that will back up everything I've mentioned.
 
Hi Friends in Jesus

Getting late here, but off the cuff. All observations put upon Israel in the O.T. have been surpassed, superseded by the Cross of Calvary, and the sacrifice of Jesus. He cried "It is finished"

"It is finished" relates to all that was observed under the old covenant. All the blood shedding, days and dates were set aside forever. The 'sabbath rest' referred to here is now the rest of those who know sin's forgiven in Jesus.
Yes "It is finished" we can now enjoy the forgiveness of sin, peace with God. and His blessing every day because "It is finished" All that is required of believers today is to "trust and obey" the work has been done.....in Jesus
 
Hi brother Stephen,
You put the truth in a nutshell, I could not have done it better. Just a thought, if the Sabbath is the Lords day, to whom the rest of the week belongs to (Satan)? Maybe after the Jews came out of Egypt (where they never worship God), He brought in one day to worship Him. So that they slowly become aware of Him. Now as we have a relationship with Him, every day is the DAY OF THE LORD.
Be blessed
Niel from sunny South Africa
 
You are exactly right. The sabbath is still in place, Saturday, the 7th day, the day of rest. There are countless places in the new testament that tell us to obey the commandmentS. The place you CAN find in the new testament where we are commanded to keep the sabbath is by our perfect example Jesus Christ. He kept the sabbath and taught His disciples to keep the sabbath. The sabbath was diligently kept by most christians up until the coucil of Nicea in 325 when Constatine, a former pagan, changed the sabbath to accomodate the sun worshipping pagans. It was an attempt to unify the pagans and christians, not an attempt to follow every word of God.
Mark 7:9 And He said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition.
Be full aware that many decieved people (Rev 12:9) will try to justify not keeping Gods sabbath by using Colossians 2:16 where Paul is instructing gentiles who previously knew nothing of God or of His Holy Days. Gods's ministers taught them to observe the sabbath and the Holy Days, and outsiders called them in question for doing so.
If you are interested I can share with you many more verses that will back up everything I've mentioned.



Dear All

Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. I have to say, and I have prayed about this that the last 2 posts are what believe is right. Out of interest Cejetski are you a believer of Sunday worship is the Mark of the Beast. The reason I ask is that you may have seen my previous threads regarding the Mark and to be fair recently these worries have pretty much subsided ( and this post wasn’t referring to it ) – but your post worries me slightly.

If you do believe this to be right are you saying that this happens in the future? I have looked at Revelations 12.9 and it mentions the Dragon ( satan ) and if im right it’s the 2 beasts that cause all the trouble with Marks but Id just thought id check. For instance I took my Dad to church a couple of weeks ago, in your opinion would that give us the Mark? I have been aware of 7th day Adventists belifs but I went to Church beliving in my heart that Sunday worship was OK, and I know God looks at our hearts so I Belive I am OK, but like I say because of my previous worries I thought I would check

Thanks all again

God Bless

David
 
Luke 13:14-17
14Indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, the synagogue ruler said to the people, "There are six days for work. So come and be healed on those days, not on the Sabbath."

15The Lord answered him, "You hypocrites! Doesn't each of you on the Sabbath untie his ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water? 16Then should not this woman, a daughter of Abraham, whom Satan has kept bound for eighteen long years, be set free on the Sabbath day from what bound her?"

17When he said this, all his opponents were humiliated, but the people were delighted with all the wonderful things he was doing.

Acts 17:2-3
2As his custom was, Paul went into the synagogue, and on three Sabbath days he reasoned with them from the Scriptures, 3explaining and proving that the Christ had to suffer and rise from the dead. "This Jesus I am proclaiming to you is the Christ," he said.

Romans 14:5-8

5One man considers one day more sacred than another; another man considers every day alike. Each one should be fully convinced in his own mind. 6He who regards one day as special, does so to the Lord. He who eats meat, eats to the Lord, for he gives thanks to God; and he who abstains, does so to the Lord and gives thanks to God. 7For none of us lives to himself alone and none of us dies to himself alone. 8If we live, we live to the Lord; and if we die, we die to the Lord. So, whether we live or die, we belong to the Lord.


The Sabbath, believing in the Sabbath is a personal choice. It is not the mark of the beast.
 
slimsavery,
I'm sorry for my lack of clarity in my previous post. In my mention of Rev 12:9, I was pointing out that satan has decieved the WHOLE WORLD, none of us are excluded. I was not trying to get into the mark of the beast.
God does look on our hearts, but what does He expect to find? Jer 17:9 The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately wicked: who can know it? We also know that the carnal mind an enemy to God (Romans 8:7). Knowing this we must search the scriptures for answers to questions like the one you are asking.
Read 1John 2:3-4 And hereby we do know that we know Him, if we keep His commandments. He that saith, I know Him, and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
God tell us to keep His commandments. He did not say keep them all except the fourth commandment.
I encourage you to continue your search a when and how the sabbath was changed from Gods sabbath the the first day of the week.
 
Hi there cejetski,

We are required to live in fulfillment of the Law, we are not required to live under the law. Please view this thread below

http://www.talkjesus.com/bible-chat/10596-fulfillment-law.html

Furthermore, the above scripture I posted clearly says that each day should be lived unto the Lord, nothing else, we are required to regard each day with effect to our own understanding, not by other peoples opinion.

God bless
teraside
 
sabbath

I go to a 7th day adventist church. I was raised going on sunday too.
my husband is a 7th day adventist. any way our church doesn't believe going on sunday is the mark. the pastor there told me that it's a conviction between you and God if you believe the sabbath is Sat. and not Sunday.
they do not preach that your going to hell for keeping Sunday.and I 've been going there for 2yrs now. the best thing to do is read Gods word and pray about it. God will show you the truth.
in christ
kristina



[Dear All

Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. I have to say, and I have prayed about this that the last 2 posts are what believe is right. Out of interest Cejetski are you a believer of Sunday worship is the Mark of the Beast. The reason I ask is that you may have seen my previous threads regarding the Mark and to be fair recently these worries have pretty much subsided ( and this post wasn’t referring to it ) – but your post worries me slightly.

If you do believe this to be right are you saying that this happens in the future? I have looked at Revelations 12.9 and it mentions the Dragon ( satan ) and if im right it’s the 2 beasts that cause all the trouble with Marks but Id just thought id check. For instance I took my Dad to church a couple of weeks ago, in your opinion would that give us the Mark? I have been aware of 7th day Adventists belifs but I went to Church beliving in my heart that Sunday worship was OK, and I know God looks at our hearts so I Belive I am OK, but like I say because of my previous worries I thought I would check

Thanks all again

God Bless

David
 
I go to a 7th day adventist church. I was raised going on sunday too.
my husband is a 7th day adventist. any way our church doesn't believe going on sunday is the mark. the pastor there told me that it's a conviction between you and God if you believe the sabbath is Sat. and not Sunday.
they do not preach that your going to hell for keeping Sunday.and I 've been going there for 2yrs now. the best thing to do is read Gods word and pray about it. God will show you the truth.
in christ
kristina

Hi Kristina

Thanks for that, Sorry if i caused any offence
 
Remember when Jesus walked this earth, He was still under the old covenant and therefore under the law,. He had to keep the Sabbath. However, after He died, rose from the dead and send the Holy Spirit, the new covenant was establish. That is why God said in Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers…..You see God did not took the old covenant and made a few changes ( like we don’t have to slaughter animals for our sins) and “whalla” there is your new covenant. He said it is new and not like the old one. That is why Paul talked about the renewal of the mind in Rom 12:2, meaning that they (the Jews) must not think law any more and change the new testament into another law book, but the new covenant is all about a relationship. As we grow in this relationship with Jesus in us, and under the leadership of the Holy Spirit, we will discover the new law that God promise us in Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. The law now comes from the inside, as is in Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness and temperance: That is why we moved from a one day (Sabbath) worship to a 24/7 relationship. That does not mean there is no day, yes we must have a day where we as family of God comes together to practice our gifts, encourage each other and commune. This day is not a Holy day, but like all the other days of the week, a day of the Lord for his children, and we must have a day to rest from the ordinary work for our bodies.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Be blessed
. Niel. :love:
 
Remember when Jesus walked this earth, He was still under the old covenant and therefore under the law,. He had to keep the Sabbath. However, after He died, rose from the dead and send the Holy Spirit, the new covenant was establish. That is why God said in Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: Jer 31:32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers…..You see God did not took the old covenant and made a few changes ( like we don’t have to slaughter animals for our sins) and “whalla” there is your new covenant. He said it is new and not like the old one. That is why Paul talked about the renewal of the mind in Rom 12:2, meaning that they (the Jews) must not think law any more and change the new testament into another law book, but the new covenant is all about a relationship. As we grow in this relationship with Jesus in us, and under the leadership of the Holy Spirit, we will discover the new law that God promise us in Jer 31:33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. The law now comes from the inside, as is in Gal 5:22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, 23 Meekness and temperance: That is why we moved from a one day (Sabbath) worship to a 24/7 relationship. That does not mean there is no day, yes we must have a day where we as family of God comes together to practice our gifts, encourage each other and commune. This day is not a Holy day, but like all the other days of the week, a day of the Lord for his children, and we must have a day to rest from the ordinary work for our bodies.<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Be blessed
. Niel. :love:

Niel,
Thank you for the insightful response. Let me help you with a few of these scriptures and subjects you brought up. First you mention Jesus was under the 'old covenant'. What is a covenant? God made the Sabbath a SEPARATE, ETERNAL, and PERPETUAL COVENANT, entirely separate and apart from what we term "the Old Covenant" made at Mt. Sinai.
How, then, is it a COVENANT?
Let's define the word "covenant." Webster defines a covenant
as: "An agreement between persons or parties. A solemn compact." A
covenant is a contract, or agreement, by which one party promises
certain rewards or payments, in return for certain stipulated performance
by the other party.
The Old Covenant between God and the children of Israel made
at Mt. Sinai imposed upon the people certain terms and conditions
to be performed: the obedience to the Ten Commandments. It promised
the reward of making Israel a nation "ABOVE all people." The PROMISES
were purely national, and material, for this world. The NEW Covenant
is founded on BETTER PROMISES (Heb. 8:6), which consist of "ETERNAL
inheritance (Heb. 9:15).
Once a covenant is signed, sealed, or ratified -- confirmed -- it
cannot be ADDED TO (Gal. 3:15). Anything appearing beneath the signature
is not legally any part of the covenant. You read of the actual making
of the Old Covenant, and sealing it with blood, in Exodus 24:6-8.
And notice (verse 8), it concludes with the words "the covenant, which
the LORD hath made with you." It was then already made -- completed.
We do not come to the making of this special eternal Sabbath
covenant until seven chapters later. It is, therefore, NO PART OF
the Old Covenant!
But, again, is it a COVENANT?
The wording in your Bible says it is! Notice, Exodus 31:16: "Wherefore
the children of Israel shall keep the sabbath, to observe the sabbath
throughout their generations, for a perpetual COVENANT."
"Perpetual" means continuous, and unbroken. But was it to last
FOREVER? Read the following verse: "It is a SIGN between me and the
children of Israel FOREVER."
Now what is the condition to be performed? The keeping holy of
the Sabbath! "It is HOLY unto you," says God (verse 14). And what
is the REWARD PROMISED upon performance of the condition? It is not
only a SIGN, but also a compact or COVENANT "between me and you,"
says God, "that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify
you."
There it is! God promises TO SANCTIFY THEM -- He will set them
apart as HOLY -- as HIS HOLY PEOPLE! Can you ask for a BIGGER promise?
Yes, it is a COVENANT! It is a separate, totally different covenant.
Even if one tries to argue that the Old Covenant is "abolished" and
that therefore the Ten Commandments are abolished, he cannot argue
that this covenant was to last only until the cross. This covenant
is binding "throughout your generations" (verse 13); "a perpetual
covenant" (verse 16), and "forever" (verse 17).
You mentioned that Christ died, rose from the dead and send the Holy Spirit, the new covenant was established. Remember what day Christ rose on, the sabbath. It was the only sign He was going to give. 3 day and 3 nights, He died on Wednesday afternoon.
Next let us learn more about Jeremiah 31:31-34 Read verse 33 "...and will be their God, and they shall be My people" This is NOT happening currently. Everyone has not turned to God. There are people worshipping other gods. Vs 34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall ALL KNOW ME, from the least of them unot the greatest of them, saith the LORD...
They shall ALL KNOW ME. This is not the case now. Everyone does not know God, let alone do what He has told us to do. Everyone will know God after the Day of the Lord (Rev 1:10) when God lets ALL people know He is God and the He is the Supreme Ruler. Zechariah 14:3-4 Then shall the LORD go forth, and fight against those nations, as when He fought in the day of battle. vs 4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives...
Rev 14:1 And I looked, and, lo, a Lamb stood on the mount Sion, and with Him 144000 having His Father's name written in their foreheads.
God gave man His Sabbath, for THE PURPOSE of keeping mankind
in the true knowledge and true worship of the True GOD.
But HOW does the Sabbath IDENTIFY God -- how does it point to the
True God, rather than the false? Does not Sunday do just as well?
POSITIVELY NO!!
Notice verse 17 of this special Sabbath covenant: "It is a sign
between me and the children of Israel forever: for in six days the
LORD made heaven and earth, and on the seventh day he rested, and
was refreshed" (Ex. 31:17).
It was on the seventh day of that creation week that He rested
from the work of creation. Not Sunday, the first day of the week.
Only the seventh day of the week points back to CREATION.
How does that identify who GOD is?
If you believe anyone else or anything else is God, I will prove
that my God is the True God, because whatever else you may think is
God was made or created by the True GOD. He who created and made everything
else is GREATER than whatever He made -- superior to anything else that
could be called God.
CREATION is the PROOF of God -- of His existence. It -- the act of
creating -- identifies Him!
So God took the most enduring, lasting imperishable thing man
can know -- a recurring space of TIME -- the only day that is a memorial
of THE ACT OF CREATING. He took the only day which points, constantly,
every seventh day of the week, to the existence of the Almighty, ALL-POWERFUL, ALL RULING GOD THE CREATOR
And God set that particular day apart from others as HIS day -- God
made that particular day sacred and holy to HIM -- designating it as
the very day on which HE commands His people to assemble for WORSHIP -- the day man is commanded to REST from his own work and physical pleasure -- and to be refreshed by assembling with other obedient worshippers in spiritual fellowship!
No OTHER DAY is a memorial and reminder of CREATION. True, Satan
has deceived a deluded world into supposing Christ's resurrection
occurred on Sunday morning at sunrise -- the very time which has always
been the time of pagan SUN-worship. BUT THIS IS NOT TRUE! Write for
our free booklet The Resurrection Was Not on Sunday. You will be amazed!
Also write for our special free booklet "The Plain Truth About Easter."
It is a shocking eye-opener -- and it is the TRUTH you can verify and
prove at your public library.
The resurrection of Christ actually occurred on the Sabbath,
not on Sunday! And, further, nowhere in the Bible does God tell us
to celebrate the day of Christ's resurrection! That is a pagan custom
of MEN, on apostate MAN'S authority alone -- contrary to the commands
of GOD!
So here we find a GREAT PURPOSE in the Sabbath. It identifies
God! The very day which GOD set aside for assembly and worship points
as a memorial to WHOM we are to worship -- the CREATOR-RULER of all
that is!
But that is not all!
The Sabbath also was given as a SIGN which identifies WHO are
the PEOPLE of God and who are NOT!
Notice! Not only does this special covenant say, "... that ye
may know that I am the LORD ..." but read the remainder of that sentence:
"... that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify YOU" (Ex.
31:13).
Notice the tremendous MEANING of that!
What does the word "sanctify" mean? It means "to set apart for
holy use or purpose." On the seventh day of the very creation week,
the ETERNAL sanctified -- that is, He SET APART for HOLY use -- the Sabbath
day. But now we see that God says it is a sign that He, the ETERNAL,
also sanctifies -- SETS APART FROM OTHER PEOPLE AS HIS, FOR HIS HOLY
PURPOSE -- those who are HIS PEOPLE.
In Old Testament times HIS PEOPLE were the people of the Congregation
of ISRAEL. In New Testament times, HIS PEOPLE are those of GOD's OWN
CHURCH -- the truly converted, Spirit-begotten CHRISTIANS!
But HOW does the Sabbath set them apart -- separate them -- from
those who are not God's own true people? Well, if you have begun to
keep God's Sabbath holy, as He commands, you have found the answer
already, by actual experience. If you haven't, just start keeping
God's Sabbath holy as He commands you -- and you'll soon learn that
you are automatically set apart from all other people! Yes, sir!
The Sabbath is God's SIGN, which identifies not only GOD as CREATOR-RULER but who are truley His.
Neil, you are correct in not needing animal sacrifices due to Christ sacrifice. In Coll 2:14 Christ nailed the record of OUR SINS which Christ paid for Himself in the sacrifice of His own life. Christ blotted out the HANDWRITTING OF ORDINANCES (Greek word cheirograph tois dogmasin means the note of guilt from keeping MANS laws). This does NOT refer to the law of God. The law is not against us and contrary to us as you are saying. The law is holy and the commandment holy, and just, and good (Rom7:12) The context of Col 2:14 is explained in vs 8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy ("That is why we moved from a one day (Sabbath) worship to a 24/7 relationship.") and vain deceit, after TRADITIONS OF MEN, after the RUDIMENTS OF THE WORLD, and NOT after Christ.
Dont forget that satan does have his ministers preaching Christ and perverting the gospel that He came preaching. 2Cor 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light. 2Cor 11:15 Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. This is why God tells us to prove all things.
I pray these words will help.
 
What is the sabbath day? I know it is a day of rest but im afraid that is all i know of it. It sounds like there is some sort of law for it or that we suppose to do something on it. And when it says rest, im assuming it means spiritul rest right? Any insight would be lovely

Hugs
 
Re: Sabbath - Heb 4:9

What is the sabbath day? I know it is a day of rest but im afraid that is all i know of it. It sounds like there is some sort of law for it or that we suppose to do something on it. And when it says rest, im assuming it means spiritul rest right? Any insight would be lovely

Hugs



Deuteronomy 5:12 says we are to keep the Sabbath as a day that is holy to the Lord. To be holy means to be separated. Christians are holy because we are to separated from the world and given over to God.

So, the Sabbath is more than just a day off from work; it is a day to be devoted to resting in the Lord, i.e. being refueled, if you will, by spending time with Him.

SLE
 
sabath is made for man and not man for sabath...

Love is the maximum of all laws, law is only minimum of love. Those who don't want to love will become legalistic and legalistic can't love. Love fulfills all the laws. So Jesus said "Saboth is made for man and not man for Saboth". Let us not become modern pharisees...
 
Dear brother Cejetski<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
Gen 17:7 "I will keep my promise to you and to your descendants in future generations as an everlasting covenant. I will be your God and the God of your descendants.
Gen 17:10 You and your descendants must all agree to circumcise every male among you. The same as the Sabbath the circumcision was also an everlasting covenant that you do not see in the new covenant in its original form. Because Heb 10:1 said the Jewish laws were just the shadow of the better things to come, the laws did not vanish, but become what was originally in Gods mind. Read about circumcision in Rom 2:29.
Act 15:5 But some of the believers who belonged to the party of the Pharisees stood up and said, "The Gentiles must be circumcised and told to obey the Law of Moses."
Act 15:28 The Holy Spirit and we have agreed not to put any other burden on you besides these necessary rules:
Act 15:29 eat no food that has been offered to idols; eat no blood; eat no animal that has been strangled; and keep yourselves from sexual immorality. You will do well if you take care not to do these things. With our best wishes."
They did not say anything about the Sabbath, although the gentiles never kept the Sabbath, they did not even talked about starting to keep the Sabbath.
Under the old law of Moses, the Sabbath was the proof of Gods people, now that we have a relationship it is love, Joh 13:35 If you have love for one another, then everyone will know that you are my disciples.
What is it with man? First God begged, and made promises if they keep the law He will bless them, but they could not keep the law. Then God realize it is a losing battle and send His Son to set them free from the law, and then man try everything in their power to keep the law.
Be Blessed
Niel
 
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