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Romans 1:28...What does a spouse do in this case?

Thorwald

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If a person is 'turned over to a reprobate mind' [no further chance for salvation...'spiritually dead, but carnally alive'], what should the spouse do? 1 Corinthians chapter 7 only refers to believers/unbelievers [in Christ], and does not deal with 'spiritually dead' spouses. Can a spouse in this case, 'remarry'?
 
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First things first! There are undoubtedly reprobates in the world, but what man can recognize them? We may be able to recognize an unrepentant sinner. We may be able to recognize an unbeliever. Does a reprobate look different than either of those two?

Samuel knew that God had rejected King Saul because God told him so.

Until God clearly tells us a person is reprobate, are we not required to continue to pray for that person and to do all that we are able to help that person?

Jesus knew who ahead of time that it was Judas that was to betray him, but Jesus never stopped being friendly and loving in every way toward that man. Can we do less?

"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you" Matt 5:44

As to the remarrying part? If the spouse is physically dead, then by all means you may remarry physically. If the spouse is spiritually dead, then what does that have to do with physical remarriage? Can you set aside or divorce a spouse at all?

Are we ever allowed to physically set aside (divorce)a spouse for other reason than fornication? Is a reprobate necessarily a fornicator?
 
First things first! There are undoubtedly reprobates in the world, but what man can recognize them? We may be able to recognize an unrepentant sinner. We may be able to recognize an unbeliever. Does a reprobate look different than either of those two?

Samuel knew that God had rejected King Saul because God told him so.

Until God clearly tells us a person is reprobate, are we not required to continue to pray for that person and to do all that we are able to help that person?

Jesus knew who ahead of time that it was Judas that was to betray him, but Jesus never stopped being friendly and loving in every way toward that man. Can we do less?

"But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you" Matt 5:44

As to the remarrying part? If the spouse is physically dead, then by all means you may remarry physically. If the spouse is spiritually dead, then what does that have to do with physical remarriage? Can you set aside or divorce a spouse at all?

Are we ever allowed to physically set aside (divorce)a spouse for other reason than fornication? Is a reprobate necessarily a fornicator?

I agree that a spouse must know for certain, that his/her spouse has been turned over to a 'reprobate mind'. I believe that God, Himself will let this spouse know the truth. This could be through a public display whereby a person attends a gay parade, holding hands with another gay person, two gays seeking marriage, and so on.

Why would God ask a spouse to continue in a relationship where the other spouse is 'spiritually dead'? God's own WORD tells us to 'separate ourselves from the ungodly/unrighteous'. Is it not worse to be 'spiritually dead' than 'carnally dead'?

When I make the remarks above, I am ASSUMING that the other spouse is a believer in Christ and seeking to follow THE WORD. In a case where both spouses are ungodly/unrighteous, then they are BOTH in trouble.

The Word of God, is for the benefit of HIS SHEEP, and those who wish to become one. Scriptures tell us, that God has ways to keep the righteous/godly, righteous/godly, until the end, and visa versa for the unrighteous/ungodly.
 
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I agree that a spouse must know for certain, that his/her spouse has been turned over to a 'reprobate mind'. I believe that God, Himself will let this spouse know the truth. This could be through a public display whereby a person attends a gay parade, holding hands with another gay person, two gays seeking marriage, and so on.

Well, I would not like to answer definitely to this situation if it is only hypothetical. Real situations require real decisions based on real circumstances.

Hypothetical situations by their nature do not contain a complete set of circumstances. Being guided by the Holy Spirit gives us direction for every decision that is required no matter what known and/or unknown circumstances exist. God has us covered if we trust Him.

Why would God ask a spouse to continue in a relationship where the other spouse is 'spiritually dead'? God's own WORD tells us to 'separate ourselves from the ungodly/unrighteous'. Is it not worse to be 'spiritually dead' than 'carnally dead'?

We do not know the mind of God in all things. Why would He ask of us such a thing? Why did He tell the prophet Hosea to marry a prostitute? Was that not placing himself in an unequally yoked situation? We should be careful about saying that God definitely would or definitely would not do something, even if we think we know the answer.

Yes, it is worse to be spiritually dead than carnally so, but when we are in a real situation, no matter what, we still need to communicate with God to get His answer for that moment for that specific actual event. IMHO

When I make the remarks above, I am ASSUMING that the other spouse is a believer in Christ and seeking to follow THE WORD. In a case where both spouses are ungodly/unrighteous, then they are BOTH in trouble.

The Word of God, is for the benefit of HIS SHEEP, and those who wish to become one. Scriptures tell us, that God has ways to keep the righteous/godly, righteous/godly, until the end, and visa versa for the unrighteous/ungodly.

The following verses are usually applicable to existing unequally yoke couples, but still we need to talk to the Lord about it every time:

"But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?" I Cor 7:12-16
 


Well, I would not like to answer definitely to this situation if it is only hypothetical. Real situations require real decisions based on real circumstances.

Hypothetical situations by their nature do not contain a complete set of circumstances. Being guided by the Holy Spirit gives us direction for every decision that is required no matter what known and/or unknown circumstances exist. God has us covered if we trust Him.



We do not know the mind of God in all things. Why would He ask of us such a thing? Why did He tell the prophet Hosea to marry a prostitute? Was that not placing himself in an unequally yoked situation? We should be careful about saying that God definitely would or definitely would not do something, even if we think we know the answer.

Yes, it is worse to be spiritually dead than carnally so, but when we are in a real situation, no matter what, we still need to communicate with God to get His answer for that moment for that specific actual event. IMHO


The following verses are usually applicable to existing unequally yoke couples, but still we need to talk to the Lord about it every time:

"But to the rest speak I, not the Lord: If any brother hath a wife that believeth not, and she be pleased to dwell with him, let him not put her away.

And the woman which hath an husband that believeth not, and if he be pleased to dwell with her, let her not leave him.

For the unbelieving husband is sanctified by the wife, and the unbelieving wife is sanctified by the husband: else were your children unclean; but now are they holy.

But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

For what knowest thou, O wife, whether thou shalt save thy husband? or how knowest thou, O man, whether thou shalt save thy wife?" I Cor 7:12-16

I have already answered this before. 1 Corinthians chapter 7, refers to believers/unbelievers in Christ. It doesn't refer to the ungodly. Otherwise, it would be a CONTRADICTION to 'separate yourselves from the UNGODLY/UNRIGHTEOUS'. We are told by scripture, that we will know by their works, whether or not they are ungodly/unrighteous.

How much more evidence would you need, in the case of marriages between two homosexuals, that they are spiritually dead? What more do you want to know? Would not the Holy Spirit have guided them on a different 'path', if God really cared any more about them? They have made their choice, and that's it....game over.
 
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I recommend fervent heartfelt prayer.

Matthew 21:22 “And whatever things you ask in prayer, believing, you will receive.”

1 John 3:22 And whatever we ask we receive from Him, because we keep His commandments and do those things that are pleasing in His sight.

Jesus looked at them and said, “With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”Do not be anxious about anything, but in everything, by prayer and petition, with thanksgiving, present your requests to God. And the peace of God, which transcends all understanding, will guard your hearts and your minds in Christ Jesus. Philippians 4:6-7


There is no wisdom, no insight, no plan that can succeed against the LORD. Proverbs 21:30


Lord,thank you for your promise that all things are possible with you Lord Jesus, and that You, and You alone, will give me peace that transcends all understanding. Thank You for the assurance that no wisdom, no insight and no plan can succeed against You.

Proverbs 21:1
The king’s heart is in the hand of the LORD; he directs it like a watercourse wherever he pleases.
Proverbs 16:9 In his heart a man plans his course, but the LORD determines his steps. Proverbs 20:24 A man’s steps are directed by the LORD. How then can anyone understand his own way?

Lord,thank You for having my wife's heart in Your hand, and for directing her heart like a watercourse wherever You please. Thank You for assuring me that she can not plan or understand her own way, because You are the one who determines and directs her steps.

Romans 11:32 For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.
Proverbs 19:22 What a man desires is unfailing love.

Father teach me to show and be unfailing love to everyone I encounter for if I cannot please my wife whom I can see and who is my own flesh,how will I ever please you whom I cannot see.
 
1 Cor 7 settles the issue of divorce i light of the Jewish ways which gave divorce way too much occasion, both men and women having complete equality concerning staying or leaving, and on depth of some carnal and spiritual grounds for divorce and remarriage. Paul reinforced that equality, but narrowed the grounds down within a very specific set of troubles. Neither spouse should leave the other over one not accepting Christ. That in itself isn't classed as wickedness. It means one remains lost, subject to being saved by the ministries of the other. A person falling into the category of reprobate changes the whole scenario.

Adultery was allowed as grounds to leave a spouse, that being wickedness. From Romans 1 and other places one learns what a reprobate mind results from, which are grievous sins sufficient for God to reject the person as worthless, useless. In our society, and I have witnessed this, a woman with children married to a reprobate husband, beyond being technically an unbeliever in Christ, can and does get the children put into a foster home because of subjecting the children to unsuitable living conditions. A young Christian woman was married to a man that began abusing drugs and alcohol, then began making meth, selling it, then started a crime ring including prostitution. None of could imagine why she was attracted tho the man she believed could be saved someday. Her husband had forced her to use meth to stay slim. Adultery couldn't be proved, the man denying that had not happened, but he had been arrested for manufacture of meth and other serious charges. Everyone that knew the lady was and remains mystified why she stayed in that marriage, especially putting her children through that. The man has for a decade exemplified a person with a reprobate mind.

In 2 Cor 6 we learn that Christians ought not even to fellowship with idolaters. Someone going to a Buddhist temple with a friend who worships there might not be doing a wicked thing, but we ought not touch an unclean thing, and certainly no Child of God can have fellowship with a Child of Belial, regardless of how "decent" they are, "good", "lawful". My children grew up knowing there would be severe consequences if they "ran with" wicked friends, idolaters, and the like. I believe there is a broader principle upon which we Christians should predetermine as to what our answer would be, even including fellowship with a "spiritual adulterer", especially one that meets the Bible definitions of wickedness, and most especially those who fall deeper, into being reprobate.

I do have an answer for a theoretical scenario as posed in the OP, that might be concerning a real situation. When a spouse falls so deep into sin that the other spouse, children, and even neighbors might be in danger of corruption, it's time for the other to move out and probably seek protection. Without a legal divorce of course there is no Christian remarriage until the laws we are commanded to obey as citizens release the innocent from that marriage. Here just one year of separation becomes legal grounds for a complete dissolving. In the above case the judge ordered a legal separation which would provide grounds for divorce in one year. The father is still in prison but appealing his conviction, the mother filed divorce then got her children back and remains a single parent mom, doing quite well. She has learned not to marry an unbeliever again.
Jim
 
1 Cor 7 settles the issue of divorce i light of the Jewish ways which gave divorce way too much occasion, both men and women having complete equality concerning staying or leaving, and on depth of some carnal and spiritual grounds for divorce and remarriage. Paul reinforced that equality, but narrowed the grounds down within a very specific set of troubles. Neither spouse should leave the other over one not accepting Christ. That in itself isn't classed as wickedness. It means one remains lost, subject to being saved by the ministries of the other. A person falling into the category of reprobate changes the whole scenario.

Adultery was allowed as grounds to leave a spouse, that being wickedness. From Romans 1 and other places one learns what a reprobate mind results from, which are grievous sins sufficient for God to reject the person as worthless, useless. In our society, and I have witnessed this, a woman with children married to a reprobate husband, beyond being technically an unbeliever in Christ, can and does get the children put into a foster home because of subjecting the children to unsuitable living conditions. A young Christian woman was married to a man that began abusing drugs and alcohol, then began making meth, selling it, then started a crime ring including prostitution. None of could imagine why she was attracted tho the man she believed could be saved someday. Her husband had forced her to use meth to stay slim. Adultery couldn't be proved, the man denying that had not happened, but he had been arrested for manufacture of meth and other serious charges. Everyone that knew the lady was and remains mystified why she stayed in that marriage, especially putting her children through that. The man has for a decade exemplified a person with a reprobate mind.

In 2 Cor 6 we learn that Christians ought not even to fellowship with idolaters. Someone going to a Buddhist temple with a friend who worships there might not be doing a wicked thing, but we ought not touch an unclean thing, and certainly no Child of God can have fellowship with a Child of Belial, regardless of how "decent" they are, "good", "lawful". My children grew up knowing there would be severe consequences if they "ran with" wicked friends, idolaters, and the like. I believe there is a broader principle upon which we Christians should predetermine as to what our answer would be, even including fellowship with a "spiritual adulterer", especially one that meets the Bible definitions of wickedness, and most especially those who fall deeper, into being reprobate.

I do have an answer for a theoretical scenario as posed in the OP, that might be concerning a real situation. When a spouse falls so deep into sin that the other spouse, children, and even neighbors might be in danger of corruption, it's time for the other to move out and probably seek protection. Without a legal divorce of course there is no Christian remarriage until the laws we are commanded to obey as citizens release the innocent from that marriage. Here just one year of separation becomes legal grounds for a complete dissolving. In the above case the judge ordered a legal separation which would provide grounds for divorce in one year. The father is still in prison but appealing his conviction, the mother filed divorce then got her children back and remains a single parent mom, doing quite well. She has learned not to marry an unbeliever again.
Jim

We have to separate the laws of man (judicial system) from the Word of God. We know that if we follow The Word, that we will be 'persecuted'. Our laws do not follow 'The Word'. We have to make up our minds (through prayer to God), to follow the world or follow The Word.

God created the orifices of the body, for specific purposes. He blessed His creations. Misuse of the body's orifices for personal sexual pleasure, result in defiling our bodies. We glorify Satan rather than God, when we do so. If we continue to do so, then God turns us over to a reprobate mind. A spouse, is then free to remarry. Unfortunately, our worldly judicial system, does not agree. This includes the Christian Ministry, who teach in darkness. This topic is very serious. If a person seeks to become holy and righteous, this person must be ready to completely 'cleanse his/her life', in every way possible. To continue in a marriage with one spouse having a reprobate mind, is futile. There is nothing 'godly' about this kind of marriage.
 
I agree that a spouse must know for certain, that his/her spouse has been turned over to a 'reprobate mind'. I believe that God, Himself will let this spouse know the truth. This could be through a public display whereby a person attends a gay parade, holding hands with another gay person, two gays seeking marriage, and so on.

Why would God ask a spouse to continue in a relationship where the other spouse is 'spiritually dead'? God's own WORD tells us to 'separate ourselves from the ungodly/unrighteous'. Is it not worse to be 'spiritually dead' than 'carnally dead'?

When I make the remarks above, I am ASSUMING that the other spouse is a believer in Christ and seeking to follow THE WORD. In a case where both spouses are ungodly/unrighteous, then they are BOTH in trouble.

The Word of God, is for the benefit of HIS SHEEP, and those who wish to become one. Scriptures tell us, that God has ways to keep the righteous/godly, righteous/godly, until the end, and visa versa for the unrighteous/ungodly.

Unbelievers are dead insofar as ultimate salvation is concerned, but they have enough Life to be able to repent if they turn their hearts toward God so that He can give them the necessary help. This is what Jesus made possible. He made it possible for a person to turn toward God and then to grow and even to live for ever.

The bit of Life each unbeliever has is mentioned in the following verse:

"That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world." John 1:9

That verse refers not to people who have been "born again" or "born from above", but "every man" born of woman. That is the little spark of Light, of real Life that makes it possible to get more.

Yes, a person can quench even that little bit of Light, and then he has no hope at all beyond the limits of his natural carnal period of time. I do not believe that this can be done while completely ignorant of the things of God. To reject something of God's, I believe, a person must understand what it is he is rejecting. Only with such recognition can he be in danger of blapheming the Holy Ghost and losing any hope of ever being reconciled with God. The shadow of this is seen in the rejection of King Saul by God. Normally, no one but God and perhaps the individual rejected would be definitely aware that such a rejection had occurred. In the case of Saul, we know from scripture that God told Samuel, so another person can know, but it is not something to be presumed simply because of the terrible place a person is in at the moment. Some of those may still be redeemed.

The Master does go after lost sheep. The Master does take the beastly elements out of unbelievers.
 
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If someone IS truly without further chance of salvation, then of course that persons spouse is unequally yoked, and what to do in that case is clear. The real question is anyone involved in the situation wise enough to KNOW that a person is reprobate and has no further chance of salvation. The judgement given in this persons case is SOOOO GREAT, the judger better beware, for we SHALL be judged as we judge others. Many shall be shut out of the wedding feast of the Lamb, because of thier own judgements towards thier brothers and sisters.
 
Yes, a person can quench even that little bit of Light, and then he has no hope at all beyond the limits of his natural carnal period of time. I do not believe that this can be done while completely ignorant of the things of God. To reject something of God's, I believe, a person must understand what it is he is rejecting. Only with such recognition can he be in danger of blapheming the Holy Ghost and losing any hope of ever being reconciled with God. The shadow of this is seen in the rejection of King Saul by God. Normally, no one but God and perhaps the individual rejected would be definitely aware that such a rejection had occurred. In the case of Saul, we know from scripture that God told Samuel, so another person can know, but it is not something to be presumed simply because of the terrible place a person is in at the moment. Some of those may still be redeemed.

SUCH an important point! That's well supported by Hebrews 10:[26] "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."

But there are other ways to fall into that predicament. We tend to think along the lines of a mature Christian going back to some terrible social sin, but going back into a contrary religion that denies the biblical savior will qualify a person for that fate. Read on...returning to greater confidence in Moses or some other religious theory such as held by many modern cults despises the blood of Christ after having been a partaker of it.

I've tried to minister to a few men who knew perfectly what that "fearful looking" is about. It's something not recommended for a casual Christian to witness. There is great torment in it, knowing God will have to judge you after having been washed by the blood of Jesus and immune to judgment through faith, then becoming so spiritually "soiled" as to put Jesus to great shame... Paul warned in the end of that chapter not to fall back from faith, meaning a slinking back into "perdition", true apostasy from the faith required to be in Christ. The word "perdition" is equal to "loss" or "ruin". If we truly lose something or it is truly ruined, it is not eligible for recovery.

I think it is important not leave the impression that if a Christian falls back into some sin lifestyle for a season that Heb 10 automatically kicks in forever after. There's a process of knowledge-gaining then of willful rejection of it. Sin itself has been judged in Jesus. He bore the punishment. But to choose to return to serving sin while rejecting the wonderful knowledge of Jesus' salvation, the path leads directly to a rejection by God's provision since salvation is begun in faith, and continued in faith until our last hour in the flesh. One can't live by faith while despising the blood of Christ, or returning to salvation by keeping the law of Moses, or any other religion after having come to a clear knowledge of salvation by faith as provided through Jesus.

That said, the wife of an unbeliever has good reason to follow as best she can the instructions from Paul. One reason for it is if a spouse can't live the Christ way and have any hope in redemption of the other, why bother witnessing to anyone else? I witness to lots of folks, but most insist on somehow discovering how well I live what I preach. That's very important to probably most people. Every disciple that followed Jesus started out as unbelievers, being but somewhat "followers" of Moses, all to their own eternal damnation if left in that state.

It is decidedly best for a Christian not to enter into an unequally yoked relationship. But many have made a bad decision, and now their lives are more complicated, divorce not a good path to follow. The best path is to find solutions and leave open the possibility of all concerned being saved. Paul made it clear that once the unbeliever packs up and leaves, it's over. Don't beg them to stay. But if the unbeliever wants to stay while the other insists on living the Christ Way in the home, then that's probably the ministry one is called to.

A person who is a reprobate knows he or she is a reprobate. They are likely to reveal that in many ways, by action and or word, and on purpose. I have not met anyone who is a reprobate who would tolerate living with a Christian who lives the word.

Edited 11/7....SO, in my answer to the OP, the Bible gives a great solution for that spouse sharing a house with a reprobate. Godly spouse.....stay on your knees praying for the other, giving yourself over to the WORD of God, saturating your home with dedication to God first, refusing to enter into any sin, in effect becoming unarguably a missionary for Jesus. Don't stay with that evil person if they are abusing you. But if there is no harm, don't be the first to leave over religion. No true reprobate will stick around in the presence of the Holy Spirit and a reborn human spirit in contact with God, and lots of confirmed unbelievers will tend to depart too if the coals are poured on. When they leave, the godly spouse is spiritually released by God even without the case of adultery, free to remarry once the laws of man and of God are met. We might not like some of the laws of men, but we are commanded to obey them, else God will let their law enforcers punish law offenders. Sometimes that is the only path left to a spouse, who must weigh the consequences in remaining true to the law of God in the matter.

As for consequences under the laws of men, I learned a few days ago that a wife who filed for divorce from a man with severe mental problems (and apparently quite reprobate to the point of inability to hold a job anywhere) will remain financially responsible for his care. That's just one example of how important it is to study it all out before being the first to walk out.
Jim
 
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SUCH an important point! That's well supported by Hebrews 10:[26] "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."

But there are other ways to fall into that predicament. We tend to think along the lines of a mature Christian going back to some terrible social sin, but going back into a contrary religion that denies the biblical savior will qualify a person for that fate. Read on...returning to greater confidence in Moses or some other religious theory such as held by many modern cults despises the blood of Christ after having been a partaker of it.

I've tried to minister to a few men who knew perfectly what that "fearful looking" is about. It's something not recommended for a casual Christian to witness. There is great torment in it, knowing God will have to judge you after having been washed by the blood of Jesus and immune to judgment through faith, then becoming so spiritually "soiled" as to put Jesus to great shame... Paul warned in the end of that chapter not to fall back from faith, meaning a slinking back into "perdition", true apostasy from the faith required to be in Christ. The word "perdition" is equal to "loss" or "ruin". If we truly lose something or it is truly ruined, it is not eligible for recovery.

I think it is important not leave the impression that if a Christian falls back into some sin lifestyle for a season that Heb 10 automatically kicks in forever after. There's a process of knowledge-gaining then of willful rejection of it. Sin itself has been judged in Jesus. He bore the punishment. But to choose to return to serving sin while rejecting the wonderful knowledge of Jesus' salvation, the path leads directly to a rejection by God's provision since salvation is begun in faith, and continued in faith until our last hour in the flesh. One can't live by faith while despising the blood of Christ, or returning to salvation by keeping the law of Moses, or any other religion after having come to a clear knowledge of salvation by faith as provided through Jesus.

That said, the wife of an unbeliever has good reason to follow as best she can the instructions from Paul. One reason for it is if a spouse can't live the Christ way and have any hope in redemption of the other, why bother witnessing to anyone else? I witness to lots of folks, but most insist on somehow discovering how well I live what I preach. That's very important to probably most people. Every disciple that followed Jesus started out as unbelievers, being but somewhat "followers" of Moses, all to their own eternal damnation if left in that state.

It is decidedly best for a Christian not to enter into an unequally yoked relationship. But many have made a bad decision, and now their lives are more complicated, divorce not a good path to follow. The best path is to find solutions and leave open the possibility of all concerned being saved. Paul made it clear that once the unbeliever packs up and leaves, it's over. Don't beg them to stay. But if the unbeliever wants to stay while the other insists on living the Christ Way in the home, then that's probably the ministry one is called to.

A person who is a reprobate knows he or she is a reprobate. They are likely to reveal that in many ways, by action and or word, and on purpose. I have not met anyone who is a reprobate who would tolerate living with a Christian who lives the word.

Edited 11/7....SO, in my answer to the OP, the Bible gives a great solution for that spouse sharing a house with a reprobate. Godly spouse.....stay on your knees praying for the other, giving yourself over to the WORD of God, saturating your home with dedication to God first, refusing to enter into any sin, in effect becoming unarguably a missionary for Jesus. Don't stay with that evil person if they are abusing you. But if there is no harm, don't be the first to leave over religion. No true reprobate will stick around in the presence of the Holy Spirit and a reborn human spirit in contact with God, and lots of confirmed unbelievers will tend to depart too if the coals are poured on. When they leave, the godly spouse is spiritually released by God even without the case of adultery, free to remarry once the laws of man and of God are met. We might not like some of the laws of men, but we are commanded to obey them, else God will let their law enforcers punish law offenders. Sometimes that is the only path left to a spouse, who must weigh the consequences in remaining true to the law of God in the matter.

As for consequences under the laws of men, I learned a few days ago that a wife who filed for divorce from a man with severe mental problems (and apparently quite reprobate to the point of inability to hold a job anywhere) will remain financially responsible for his care. That's just one example of how important it is to study it all out before being the first to walk out.
Jim

We have to remember some of the rest of the scriptures, also. We are told, that we will know people 'by their works'. Also Christ, Himself, talked in parables, so that He would not have to save those who He did not wish to save. We also find, that Christ's instructions to His disciples, was to 'wipe your feet and walk away', when people refused to believe in what the disciples taught. We also know, that the world will 'persecute us', when we obey God. We may also be 'thrown out of our own church', because if they threw the master out, they will surely throw us out.
 
What Scripture says we will be known by our "works"?

I thought it is by our "love"..

John 13:35 By this all people will know that you are my disciples, if you have love for one another."
 
SUCH an important point! That's well supported by Hebrews 10:[26] "For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, [27] But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries."

Jim,
Please explain to me how does the phrase "received the knowledge of truth" equates to receiving Lord Jesus as a savior as the result of a convicted (by the Holy Spirit) and repentant heart. The verse is warning -- specifically -- Jewish people who have chosen to obey the old covenant, thinking that it will save them.


I think it is important not leave the impression that if a Christian falls back into some sin lifestyle for a season that Heb 10 automatically kicks in forever after. There's a process of knowledge-gaining then of willful rejection of it. Sin itself has been judged in Jesus. He bore the punishment. But to choose to return to serving sin while rejecting the wonderful knowledge of Jesus' salvation, the path leads directly to a rejection by God's provision since salvation is begun in faith, and continued in faith until our last hour in the flesh. One can't live by faith while despising the blood of Christ, or returning to salvation by keeping the law of Moses, or any other religion after having come to a clear knowledge of salvation by faith as provided through Jesus.

Why not? There is nothing in Hebrew 10 that suggests any condition on our part. I'm afraid you are reading something in there that you've heard from somewhere or someone else. Please read again with your mind uncluttered by what man says, instead, make it an empty vessel that the Holy Spirit can fill with His knowledge, not man's. Christians do not automatically become holy when they are born-again (in the Spirit). But it is equally dangerous to conclude that it is our effort that will grow us into holiness. We began as infants in the Spirit, unless we drink the "milk" of God's words, and be grown by God, we'll live the rest of our earthly lives with a very shallow understanding of God's grace and mercy. When we are in this condition, we look just like unbelievers, live like them, and think like them. They are not "reprobate", they are baby Christians who needs to grow into maturity.

These "reprobate" people do not need our condemnation or judgment, they need our encouragement. What encouragement? not to "go back", rather, to grow into what God intended them to be, conformed to the 'icon' or image ouf His Son or savior Lord Jesus Christ.


That said, the wife of an unbeliever has good reason to follow as best she can the instructions from Paul. One reason for it is if a spouse can't live the Christ way and have any hope in redemption of the other, why bother witnessing to anyone else? I witness to lots of folks, but most insist on somehow discovering how well I live what I preach. That's very important to probably most people. Every disciple that followed Jesus started out as unbelievers, being but somewhat "followers" of Moses, all to their own eternal damnation if left in that state.

It is decidedly best for a Christian not to enter into an unequally yoked relationship. But many have made a bad decision, and now their lives are more complicated, divorce not a good path to follow. The best path is to find solutions and leave open the possibility of all concerned being saved. Paul made it clear that once the unbeliever packs up and leaves, it's over. Don't beg them to stay. But if the unbeliever wants to stay while the other insists on living the Christ Way in the home, then that's probably the ministry one is called to.

This, is a very good counsel. We all make bad decisions, and continue to do so. But the best way to turn it into a blessing is by following the Scriptures.
 
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As far as I am aware, the Bible never talks about anyone being "spiritually dead". Given that, it's difficult to see how the question might apply.
 
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