Roman Catholic Charismatic church?

[Chad]

Stay on topic please. We've already dicussed tongues ceaasing or not. Do not tell me tongues has ceased at all, that's complete nonsense.

The original topic is about roman catholic charismatic, not gifts of tongues or such.

 

[Stylez4Christ]

I am sorry but that isn't true. Also they don't pray to Mary, they just ask her to pray for them, just like I would ask you to pray for me.

They might have some things wrong but I believe they are Christians. They worship God only!
They are allowed to read Bible.

I have a Roman Catholic friend and I know she is saved.

Ummmmm, pray mean to talk to something in the spirit, so if you talking to mary that means you really praying to her which is a demon not Mary that is a devil lie because I was a former roman catholic. Anyways my question is, is that I'm thinking that Roman Catholic Charismatic church don't seem to run in a same operation as some Protestant Charismatic church because I think the power may not be from God so I believed is pretty different..:lightbulb

 

[Chad]

Excellent point brother stylez. When you pray, your talking basically. So, "asking Mary" is praying to her. Its unbiblical and indeed, your praying to demons.

Jesus said you can come to the Father ONLY through Him. ONLY, not "or through Mary". Its very easy to understand. Unfortuantely, some are too conceited in their own understanding, or at least dont' care to be humble enough to confess their sinful nature.

John 6:44
44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

 

[Stylez4Christ]

Excellent point brother stylez. When you pray, your talking basically. So, "asking Mary" is praying to her. Its unbiblical and indeed, your praying to demons.

Jesus said you can come to the Father ONLY through Him. ONLY, not "or through Mary". Its very easy to understand. Unfortuantely, some are too conceited in their own understanding, or at least dont' care to be humble enough to confess their sinful nature.

John 6:44
44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Very interesting scripture here, 2 Chronicles 33
1Manasseh was twelve years old when he began to reign, and he reigned fifty and five years in Jerusalem:

2But did that which was evil in the sight of the LORD, like unto the abominations of the heathen, whom the LORD had cast out before the children of Israel.

3For he built again the high places which Hezekiah his father had broken down, and he reared up altars for Baalim, and made groves, and worshipped all the host of heaven, and served them.

4Also he built altars in the house of the LORD, whereof the LORD had said, In Jerusalem shall my name be for ever.

5And he built altars for all the host of heaven in the two courts of the house of the LORD.

6And he caused his children to pass through the fire in the valley of the son of Hinnom: also he observed times, and used enchantments, and used witchcraft, and dealt with a familiar spirit, and with wizards: he wrought much evil in the sight of the LORD, to provoke him to anger.

7And he set a carved image, the idol which he had made, in the house of God, of which God had said to David and to Solomon his son, In this house, and in Jerusalem, which I have chosen before all the tribes of Israel, will I put my name for ever:



1 Corinthians 10:16-21
16The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?

17For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.

18Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?

19What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?

20But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.

21Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.


Leviticus 26:1
Ye shall make you no idols nor graven image, neither rear you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone in your land, to bow down unto it: for I am the LORD your God.

Habakkuk 2:18
What profiteth the graven image that the maker thereof hath graven it; the molten image, and a teacher of lies, that the maker of his work trusteth therein, to make dumb idols?






Jeremiah 51:17
Every man is brutish by his knowledge; every founder is confounded by the graven image: for his molten image is falsehood, and there is no breath in them.
I love this scripture, only God give us breath into us and these things dose not have breath...


Theres all lot of scrips but it is just enough..:shade:

 

[david_james]

Ummmmm, pray mean to talk to something in the spirit, so if you talking to mary that means you really praying to her which is a demon not Mary that is a devil lie because I was a former roman catholic.

that is your opinion because they don't consider it praying.

 

[Chad]

that is your opinion because they don't consider it praying.

No that would be YOUR opinion because its what GOD says that matters. What GOD says and considers praying is what matters. I guess you cannot defend yourself if I asked what is prayer? Is it not talking to GOD?

Common sense really

 

[david_james]

No that would be YOUR opinion because its what GOD says that matters. What GOD says and considers praying is what matters. I guess you cannot defend yourself if I asked what is prayer? Is it not talking to GOD?

Common sense really

Praying is worship but talking isn't necessarily praying.

My point is, not all catholics are same

 

[Chad]

If praying "isn't necessarily talking" then what is it? When we pray, we "usually" talk to GOD. Talking to GOD is considered a form of worship. Anything to praise GOD is a form of worship, don't you think?

You need to get your facts straight before making assumptions based on your limited knowledge - especially that one catholic friend you mentioned. If talking to GOD isn't praying, then what is it? Its praying.

 

[Cody]

The fact is Mary can't hear us. Only God can hear our prayers and Jesus is the only mediator. I believe this subject would upset Mary. She was a great woman, but even she knew she wasn't sinless.

1 Timothy 2:5
"For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;" KJV

Jesus is the mediator, not Mary.

Luke 1:47
"And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour." KJV

Mary called God her Saviour..I'm thinking that means Saviour for her sins.

Luke 2:22-24
22 "And when the days of her purification according to the law of Moses were accomplished, they brought him to Jerusalem, to present him to the Lord;
23(As it is written in the law of the Lord, Every male that openeth the womb shall be called holy to the Lord
24 And to offer a sacrifice according to that which is said in the law of the Lord, A pair of turtledoves, or two young pigeons." KJV

If Mary was sinless, why did she offer a sacrifice for her purification?

Lets give Jesus all our attention. He deserves it.

God Bless

 

[lettheredeemed]

Scripture teaches us that Mary was just like you and I. She needed a Savior too. She was in the upper room on Pentecost waiting for the Comforter. She was not immaculately concieved as the Lord Jesus Christ was. She had tainted blood and was born with a sinful nature. She needed the blood of Christ too.

 

[Stylez4Christ]

I realize there r false Charismatic

I realize there are false Charismatic and the real one and Roman Catholic Charismatic or Charismatic Catholic Renewal are just one of it as the false Charismatic and other cult churches which can’t say what they are because judging something can be a mistake and they say don’t judge the book by its cover, to what I feel and discernment I wont go to those churches and won’t deal with it and just let God keep me to what church I should stay in as I am right now.

I had also look at the video on the Charismatic Catholic and see how they have church and I feel like there is something different and odd about it and I hear how they spoke in tongues and there something odd about it too.. I’ve also read on there site that they say Mary is the mother of Charismatic or something like that saying they got heal from her and all that stuff. I know what the bible say about lying wonders and see that is not the Holy Spirit and for me in I think it is the same demonic spirit that appear where they think is Mary what cause it.. Just notice that the Catholic is stuck on this man made Traditions, church is very serious not toy or going fun fun; I find it serious but not that is wrong to get joy in church because that real bible rate there, just to receive Gods joy.. :shade:

But I want to show some scriptures and they all boil down to this subject and I realize it is basic understanding…

2 Thessalonians 2:9-12 (King James Version)
9Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.



2 Corinthians 11:4 (King James Version)
4For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 11:13-15 (King James Version)
13For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
15Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works.


Matthew 24:11 (King James Version)
11And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

Matthew 24:24 (King James Version)
24For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.


Matthew 7:15 (King James Version)
15Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

 

[cb6mustang5]

The Bible clearly shows that the papacy is the antichrist. I have a catholic family and I try to show them from what the Bible shows, what they are involved in. It is really sad but the best way for satan to fool people is through a "godly" church. Hope I don't offend anyone.

GOD BLESS

 

[Stylez4Christ]

The Bible clearly shows that the papacy is the antichrist. I have a catholic family and I try to show them from what the Bible shows, what they are involved in. It is really sad but the best way for satan to fool people is through a "godly" church. Hope I don't offend anyone.

GOD BLESS

I was a former Catholic but it wasn't the Charismatic one lol.. I guest if I was in the Catholic Charismatic I might still be Catholic, but I thank God that I left the catholic church:shade::shade: WooooH Whooooow! I'm freeeeeee!!! hehehehe lol

 

[naomi]

Let....redeemed's arguments make no sense to me...This topic should be studied in light of the other scriptures..I sought God about this and I know that the gifts are still effective..if healing/tongues were not efffective what would signify the presence of the Holy Ghost? When He works,he works in a very magnificient manner...like He did on the Pentecost...

My sister was born blind,but now she's healed.The doctors were all speechless.Her Optic and Occulomotor nerve were delaying the impluse,the doctors said nothing can help it...but now you see,she's healed totally.If the gift of healing was not meant for today,then why did Jesus heal people in the past..Was salvation for only people who were at the time of Jesus? No.

I speak in tongues...My uncle can interpret it...And it's always encouraging...And if you don't believe it,you wont receive it...It's a very common gift that helps in personal edification...But yeah I've heard of people who just utter gibberish they've heard earlier...It's a very personal matter...Be skeptical about it,you wont receive it..But I know that what I have is from the Almighty God.If you say I'm faking it,I doesnt change the fact that I feel refreshed everytime is speak in tongues...You might say I'm basing it on my experience rather than on scriptures...let me tell you I've studied this and God showed me through scriptures it's there today

God bless.
I dont mean to hurt anyone.Seek God first in a fresh way.Keep your mind open to all possibilities.Get out of the box.Get out of the grind.

 

[Word of Life]

My sister was born blind,but now she's healed.The doctors were all speechless.Her Optic and Occulomotor nerve were delaying the impluse,the doctors said nothing can help it...but now you see,she's healed totally.If the gift of healing was not meant for today,then why did Jesus heal people in the past..Was salvation for only people who were at the time of Jesus? No.

This is wonderful news, and yes God heals today. I praise and thank God through our Lord Jesus Christ, for healing your sister.

I speak in tongues...My uncle can interpret it...And it's always encouraging...And if you don't believe it,you wont receive

Exactly, we cannot please God, if we don't believe. He will do anything if we ask Him. According to His will and according to His Word.

Heb 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Mat 7:10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent?

it...It's a very common gift that helps in personal edification...But yeah I've heard of people who just utter gibberish they've heard earlier...It's a very personal matter...Be skeptical about it,you wont receive it..But I know that what I have is from the Almighty God.If you say I'm faking it,I doesnt change the fact that I feel refreshed everytime is speak in tongues...You might say I'm basing it on my experience rather than on scriptures...let me tell you I've studied this and God showed me through scriptures it's there today

If we go to the Almighty Father, He will bless His children with these gifts. I speak in tongues too and I prayed to God for interpretation of tongues, while speaking, while praising and worshipping Him and He has.

He has also healed me of panic attacks. I was addicted to medical drugs, which I was taking for over eight years for that sickness. Doctors told me I had a chemical in-balance in the brain and needed medical drugs to treat it. But God healed me of this sickness.

If one put's their full trust in Him and not man, He will heal you.

I used to have terrible nights sleeps too, and suffered from insomnia, but now I sleep better than I ever did. So God has given me sweet sleep.

Pro 3:24 When thou liest down, thou shalt not be afraid: yea, thou shalt lie down, and thy sleep shall be sweet.

 

[lettheredeemed]

Let....redeemed's arguments make no sense to me...This topic should be studied in light of the other scriptures..I sought God about this and I know that the gifts are still effective..if healing/tongues were not efffective what would signify the presence of the Holy Ghost? When He works,he works in a very magnificient manner...like He did on the Pentecost...

My sister was born blind,but now she's healed.The doctors were all speechless.Her Optic and Occulomotor nerve were delaying the impluse,the doctors said nothing can help it...but now you see,she's healed totally.If the gift of healing was not meant for today,then why did Jesus heal people in the past..Was salvation for only people who were at the time of Jesus? No.

I speak in tongues...My uncle can interpret it...And it's always encouraging...And if you don't believe it,you wont receive it...It's a very common gift that helps in personal edification...But yeah I've heard of people who just utter gibberish they've heard earlier...It's a very personal matter...Be skeptical about it,you wont receive it..But I know that what I have is from the Almighty God.If you say I'm faking it,I doesnt change the fact that I feel refreshed everytime is speak in tongues...You might say I'm basing it on my experience rather than on scriptures...let me tell you I've studied this and God showed me through scriptures it's there today

God bless.
I dont mean to hurt anyone.Seek God first in a fresh way.Keep your mind open to all possibilities.Get out of the box.Get out of the grind.

I am sorry that my comments make no sense to you. Scripture is very clear about the usage of tongues. They are for a personal edification only.
The sign gifts were given for Israel because the Jews sought after a sign. When the written word of God was introduced there was no need for the sign gifts because the Lord manifest Himself through His Son and His Word. If you notice in scripture God does not address tongues after I Corinthians 14 again until Revelation when He once again deals with the nation of Israel once again.

 

[Chad]

The issue is not about what religion is right or wrong but what God's Word teachers. The sign gifts are no longer in effect.

Then seek an eye doctor for your sake.

You never met every believer in this world, therefore you have not seen the gifts given to them and the "signs" performed by the Holy Spirit. Don't take the Word out of context just because your overly confident in your own understanding.

If I tell you I saw a sign, will you be blasphemous and claim the work to be from the devil? I'd be worried of you if you did.

 

[Chad]

The Bible clearly shows that the papacy is the antichrist. I have a catholic family and I try to show them from what the Bible shows, what they are involved in. It is really sad but the best way for satan to fool people is through a "godly" church. Hope I don't offend anyone.

GOD BLESS

I agree with you, but carefully so. I'm thinking your referring to the symbolic meanings in the book of Revelation?

 

[rizen1]

Originally Posted by naomi
My sister was born blind,but now she's healed.The doctors were all speechless.Her Optic and Occulomotor nerve were delaying the impluse,the doctors said nothing can help it...but now you see,she's healed totally.If the gift of healing was not meant for today,then why did Jesus heal people in the past..Was salvation for only people who were at the time of Jesus? No

Praise God from whom all blessings flow.

 

[lettheredeemed]

Then seek an eye doctor for your sake.

You never met every believer in this world, therefore you have not seen the gifts given to them and the "signs" performed by the Holy Spirit. Don't take the Word out of context just because your overly confident in your own understanding.

If I tell you I saw a sign, will you be blasphemous and claim the work to be from the devil? I'd be worried of you if you did.

I don't recall citing any scripture in my last post but rather refering to the usage of tongues in the New Testement. I don't believe that i cited any scripture out of context. I never said anyone did anything by the power of the devil. I believe that God heals people all the time. I am careful to study scripture in context as well as topical usage and many other aspects of scripture.