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Rock in the Old Testament Refers to Deity

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Are you aware that rock is a term used in the Old Testament as referring to deity? At the link you will find rock as referring to God or gods.

Bible Gateway list of rock = deity

And here is a short list of rock as referring to Lord.

1 Samuel 2:2There is none holy as the Lord: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.

2 Samuel 22:2And he said, The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer;...32For who is God, save the Lord? and who is a rock, save our God? .....47The Lord liveth; and blessed be my rock; and exalted be the God of the rock of my salvation.

Psalm 18:1The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.,,, 23For who is God save the Lord? or who is a rock save our God?... 46The Lord liveth; and blessed be my rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted.

Psalm 28:1Unto thee will I cry, O Lord my rock; be not silent to me: lest, if thou be silent to me, I become like them that go down into the pit.

Psalm 92:15 To shew that the Lord is upright: he is my rock, and there is no unrighteousness in him.

Psalm 94:22But the Lord is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge.

Psalm 95:1 O come, let us sing unto the Lord: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation.

Now the New Testament;

1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
 
Are you aware that rock is a term used in the Old Testament as referring to deity? At the link you will find rock as referring to God or gods.

Bible Gateway list of rock = deity

And here is a short list of rock as referring to Lord.

1 Samuel 2:2There is none holy as the Lord: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.

2 Samuel 22:2And he said, The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer;...32For who is God, save the Lord? and who is a rock, save our God? .....47The Lord liveth; and blessed be my rock; and exalted be the God of the rock of my salvation.

Psalm 18:1The Lord is my rock, and my fortress, and my deliverer; my God, my strength, in whom I will trust; my buckler, and the horn of my salvation, and my high tower.,,, 23For who is God save the Lord? or who is a rock save our God?... 46The Lord liveth; and blessed be my rock; and let the God of my salvation be exalted.

Psalm 28:1Unto thee will I cry, O Lord my rock; be not silent to me: lest, if thou be silent to me, I become like them that go down into the pit.

Psalm 92:15 To shew that the Lord is upright: he is my rock, and there is no unrighteousness in him.

Psalm 94:22But the Lord is my defence; and my God is the rock of my refuge.

Psalm 95:1 O come, let us sing unto the Lord: let us make a joyful noise to the rock of our salvation.

Now the New Testament;

1 Corinthians 10:4 And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
See Deuteronomy 32:18. You deserted the Rock, who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.

1 Corinthians 10:4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

The scriptures show that the Father God is Christ and Jesus.
 
See Deuteronomy 32:18. You deserted the Rock, who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.
So Jesus deserted the Father and forgot the Father that gave Him birth? I disagree with applying that to Jesus... if that was what you were doing. That reference was directed towards backsliding Israel.

Psalm 127:3 Lo, children are an heritage of the Lord: and the fruit of the womb is his reward.

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.... 10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not. 11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.... 14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus is our Creator for why He by permission and will of the Father, created all things and as our Creator, He has to be the Redeemer as well. I believe that was why our Creator taking our sins upon Himself on the cross, light of the sun and the reflection of the full moon went out as seen in His creation for why Jesus as the Son of God felt that separation from God the Father.
1 Corinthians 10:4 and drank the same spiritual drink; for they drank from the spiritual rock that accompanied them, and that rock was Christ.

The scriptures show that the Father God is Christ and Jesus.
Do you talk to yourself? Are you also interchanging roles as a father and a son talking to each other? I am pretty sure you are not doing that and I dare say how can you defend God if He was doing that in not being deceptive?
 
So Jesus deserted the Father and forgot the Father that gave Him birth?
You don't speak according to the scriptures.
I disagree with applying that to Jesus...
The scriptures say Jesus is the Christ, and the scriptures say Jesus is the rock.
The Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are the same one.
Do you talk to yourself? Are you also interchanging roles as a father and a son talking to each other? I am pretty sure you are not doing that and I dare say how can you defend God if He was doing that in not being deceptive?
I am not God.
 
You don't speak according to the scriptures.
This is your quoted scripture below which you seem to apply to the Father towards Jesus when that was about Jesus as the Word of God that had given Israel birth.

See Deuteronomy 32:18. You deserted the Rock, who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.
The scriptures say Jesus is the Christ, and the scriptures say Jesus is the rock.
The Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are the same one.
What God gave to men to establish a true witness requiring at least 2 witnesses, is He a hypocrite then or does not His laws given to men testify to what He does as well as the Triune God?

John 8:17 It is also written in your law, that the testimony of two men is true.

Did not the Father had the added witness of the Holy Ghost to make His testimony from Heaven regarding His Son as God true?

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

What righteousness was fulfilled other than the fulfilling of this prophesy that the Lord God and His Spirit sent the One speaking as God our Redeemer? Two Witnesses as God sending God our Redeemer; the Third Witness.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

Jesus said that His words are from the Father.

John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. .... 24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

So hear the words from the Father through Jesus Christ.


John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

The Father cannot bear witness of Himself and so for Him to be also Jesus and the Holy Spirit would be deceptive for the Father to do so.

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

So if the Father and the Son & the Holy Ghost were really One Person, then by His words, He is a false witness for seeking His own glory.

You can apply this also to Jesus but His words from the Father says this;

John 5:31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true. 33 Ye sent unto John, and he bare witness unto the truth. 34 But I receive not testimony from man: but these things I say, that ye might be saved. 35 He was a burning and a shining light: and ye were willing for a season to rejoice in his light.

36 But I have greater witness than that of John: for the works which the Father hath given me to finish, the same works that I do, bear witness of me, that the Father hath sent me. 37 And the Father himself, which hath sent me, hath borne witness of me. Ye have neither heard his voice at any time, nor seen his shape. 38 And ye have not his word abiding in you: for whom he hath sent, him ye believe not. 39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.

So the God men had seen in the O.T. was the Son as the Word of God as our Creator by the permission of God the Father's & the compliance of the Holy Spirit in agreement as the One God.

The words of the Father is for us to testify of the Son in order to glorify the Son because that is what the Holy spirit has been sent to do.

The apostle John said this about John the Baptist in his testimony.

John 3:28 Ye yourselves bear me witness, that I said, I am not the Christ, but that I am sent before him. 29 He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled. 30 He must increase, but I must decrease.

John said this about the role of the Holy Ghost through us is to testify of the Son to glorify the Son.

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 16:14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

So there is no other way to honor nor glorify God the Father except by honoring and glorifying the Son because the glory of God rests on His Son as God our Redeemer. Below is how God will judge.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

The Father will not judge but render all judgment on the Son to judge as God in line with the Father's will and the Father's will is for us to honor the Son if we truly seek to honor the Father.

The only way you & I can honor and glorify God the Father is by honoring and glorifying the Son and that has to include worship, brother. There is no way to worship the Father other than by worshiping His Son as God.
I am not God.
God is in Three Persons for having Three Witnesses within the One God for the Triune God to testify so as to be true and to be able to judge any one in according to His words.
 
This is your quoted scripture below which you seem to apply to the Father towards Jesus when that was about Jesus as the Word of God that had given Israel birth.

See Deuteronomy 32:18. You deserted the Rock, who fathered you; you forgot the God who gave you birth.

What God gave to men to establish a true witness requiring at least 2 witnesses, is He a hypocrite then or does not His laws given to men testify to what He does as well as the Triune God?
God reveals Himself to us by three. The three are still the one God.
You are making three different gods and just calling them One.
No such thing as the word God really meaning three gods.

Did not the Father had the added witness of the Holy Ghost to make His testimony from Heaven regarding His Son as God true?
The Holy Spirit IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
You don't know that?
The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit.
You really don't understand?
You think you are saved and have the Holy Spirit in you and that it isn't God the Father? Answer. Because you said the Holy Spirit isn't God the Father's Spirit.
Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

What righteousness was fulfilled other than the fulfilling of this prophesy that the Lord God and His Spirit sent the One speaking as God our Redeemer?
Speaking "as" God our Redeemer? The scriptures say Jesus "is" the Redeemer. You are changing God's words to make it sound different.

All humans have a spirit and a physical body---Just like God the Father.

God is a Spirit and then He made Himself a physical body.

He gave up that immortal body in heaven and then came to earth as a human, He experienced life as a human for us, He grew and lived and learned as humans do, He taught us the Way to be reconciled to Him, and then He died for us, went to prison/hell and preached to the spirits of the dead there, and then He raised Himself, ascended to heaven where the Father is, and received back that immortal physical body He had before the world began.
Jesus is the Word of God.
He is the body with the mouth in which God the Father's words come forth.

Two Witnesses as God sending God our Redeemer; the Third Witness.

Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go.

Jesus said that His words are from the Father.
That is because Jesus came as a son in the flesh.
So the God men had seen in the O.T. was the Son as the Word of God as our Creator by the permission of God the Father's & the compliance of the Holy Spirit in agreement as the One God.

The words of the Father is for us to testify of the Son in order to glorify the Son because that is what the Holy spirit has been sent to do.

The apostle John said this about John the Baptist in his testimony.
God in the Old Testament was God the Father, and you say it was Son.
So you are saying what I am saying but claiming you are not.
You need to check yourself.
God is in Three Persons for having Three Witnesses within the One God for the Triune God to testify so as to be true and to be able to judge any one in according to His words.
No such thing as God in three Persons. You don't speak according to the scriptures.
A person is ONE SPIRIT and ONE BODY.
You make God three different Spirits.

The Bible says ONE SPIRIT and ONE BODY.
 
God reveals Himself to us by three. The three are still the one God.
You are making three different gods and just calling them One.
No such thing as the word God really meaning three gods.
What is the point of the three if they are really One Person? If the One God is not Three Person, then He cannot bear witness of Himself nor can He testify of anything as true and neither can He judge any one being One Person.

You did not like the analogy of the One God wearing 3 different hats, but essentially that is what you are doing in making God as a One Person God.

If a man did that, he would be considered deceptive; a con man.
The Holy Spirit IS THE SPIRIT OF GOD.
You don't know that?
The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit.
You really don't understand?
You think you are saved and have the Holy Spirit in you and that it isn't God the Father? Answer. Because you said the Holy Spirit isn't God the Father's Spirit.
If the Father is the same as the Holy Spirit as the Son is the same as the Holy Spirit, then why is it NOT okay to pray to the Holy Spirit?

How come when the Holy Spirit is called upon to fall on saved believers over and over again in slain in the spirit and holy laughter and other supernatural phenomenon you & I know that is NOT the Holy Spirit? But in according to your belief, the Holy Spirit, the Son, & the Father are really One Person and so why is the devil responding when praying TO the Holy Spirit?

That doesn't happen when praying to Jesus unless the present day apostasy amend that prayer by asking to receive Jesus Christ again but by a sign or a phenomenon, thus really asking for that "spirit"..
Speaking "as" God our Redeemer? The scriptures say Jesus "is" the Redeemer. You are changing God's words to make it sound different.
Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. KJV

Who is speaking? The Lord God Our Redeemer. Who sent Him? The Lord God and His Spirit.

This is the prophesy fulfilled as all righteousness was fulfilled at Jesus's water baptism when the Father spoke from Heaven regarding His Son with the added witness of the Holy Ghost as sending Jesus as God our Redeemer.

Matthew 3:15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him. 16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him: 17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.
All humans have a spirit and a physical body---Just like God the Father.

God is a Spirit and then He made Himself a physical body.
No.

The Father & the Son had each a celestial body within that Godhead for why the Word of God made a request to God the Father to make man after in our image and after our likeness otherwise man would have no image to be made after God by. So when the Three Witnesses in God in agreement with the Father's permissive will to make man after their image and after their likeness, as the triune God, the Word of God made man after His image and after His likeness.

God is a Spirit is testifying to His Omnipresence for why God is not confined to the mountains to be worshipped by the Samaritans nor confined to Jerusalem at the Temple to be worshipped by the Jews.

But then how does one come to God the Father any where in worship? By only coming to the Son in honoring Him & glorifying Him and straightway in order to honor & glorify God the Father. John 14:6 & John 5:22-23
He gave up that immortal body in heaven and then came to earth as a human, He experienced life as a human for us, He grew and lived and learned as humans do, He taught us the Way to be reconciled to Him, and then He died for us, went to prison/hell and preached to the spirits of the dead there, and then He raised Himself, ascended to heaven where the Father is, and received back that immortal physical body He had before the world began.
Jesus is the Word of God.
He is the body with the mouth in which God the Father's words come forth.

That is because Jesus came as a son in the flesh.

God in the Old Testament was God the Father, and you say it was Son.
So you are saying what I am saying but claiming you are not.
You need to check yourself.
John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Scripture establishes that men have not seen God the Father at any time, but men have seen God in the Old Testament, and that God that the men have seen was Jesus Christ as the Son of God BEFORE His incarnation. Jesus verified that Moses wrote about Him.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life...… 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

By His own words, Jesus said that Abraham had seen Him.

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

Genesis 18:1And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, 3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: 4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree: 5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said. 6 And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth. 7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it. 8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

The Lord with those 3 men did eat and drank what Abraham had provided.


So Jesus was the God men had seen in the O.T. and He had a celestial body that He even ate and drank with before His incarnation as the Son of man to give His life as a ransom for many.
No such thing as God in three Persons. You don't speak according to the scriptures.
A person is ONE SPIRIT and ONE BODY.
You make God three different Spirits.

The Bible says ONE SPIRIT and ONE BODY.
Bible also says by His words no one witness can judge any one and it takes at least 2 witnesses to establish a true witness.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

If the Father & the Son & the Holy Ghost were really One Person then the Father can judge, but He does not because in according to His will & His words, the Son is to be honored if they wish to honor the Father.

We cannot honor the Father by honoring the Holy Spirit. If the Holy Spirit, and the Son, and the Father were really One Person, then it should not matter but it does, just as there is only one way to come to God the Father by and that is by the only way provided and that is by the Son and not by the Holy Spirit. John 14:6 Because climbing up any other way is a thief John 10:1 And the way has been broadened in the worship place by including the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son ( Matthew 7:13-27 ) and that is the work of iniquity for why what you believe cannot be true and why many are at risk of being left behind ( Luke 13:24-30 ) unless they repent and narrow the way back to only the Son in coming to God the Father by for anything in worship, fellowship, or prayer.
 
What is the point of the three if they are really One Person? \
God the Father came in the flesh while also remaining in heaven. The Holy Spirit is Him and not another Spirit, as you say! That is NOT scriptural to say there are three divine Spirits.
The Bible says there is one Spirit.
Don't detour from what is written.
You did not like the analogy of the One God wearing 3 different hats, but essentially that is what you are doing in making God as a One Person God.
Do not use analogies that are not in the Bible.
Your analogies are not from God.
If a man did that, he would be considered deceptive; a con man.
You are the one with the false analogy, and now you can see how and why your analogies from yourself and not the Bible are wrong.
If the Father is the same as the Holy Spirit
If the Holy Spirit has a different Spirit than the Father!!!! you make the Father NOT living in the saved!!!! But scripture SAYS God the Father Himself will live in the saved!!!
as the Son is the same as the Holy Spirit, then why is it NOT okay to pray to the Holy Spirit?
Who is the one who intercedes for us? Answer that question.

How come when the Holy Spirit is called upon to fall on saved believers over and over again in slain in the spirit and holy laughter and other supernatural phenomenon you & I know that is NOT the Holy Spirit? But in according to your belief, the Holy Spirit, the Son, & the Father are really One Person and so why is the devil responding when praying TO the Holy Spirit?
What?
That doesn't happen when praying to Jesus unless the present day apostasy amend that prayer by asking to receive Jesus Christ again but by a sign or a phenomenon, thus really asking for that "spirit"..
You need to explain yourself better.
Isaiah 48:16 Come ye near unto me, hear ye this; I have not spoken in secret from the beginning; from the time that it was, there am I: and now the Lord God, and his Spirit, hath sent me. 17 Thus saith the Lord, thy Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel; I am the Lord thy God which teacheth thee to profit, which leadeth thee by the way that thou shouldest go. KJV

Who is speaking?
God the Father is speaking, the Word of God (Jesus) is speaking. They are the same one.
I can give you scripture that plainly says the Father is the redeemer, and I can give DIFFERENT scriptures that say Jesus is.
If they are not the same, then HOW CAN THE FATHER be the redeemer, and different scripture say JESUS IS?
There is only ONE REDEEMER.
God is a Spirit is testifying to His Omnipresence for why God is not confined to the mountains to be worshipped by the Samaritans nor confined to Jerusalem at the Temple to be worshipped by the Jews.
What?!
But then how does one come to God the Father any where in worship? By only coming to the Son in honoring Him & glorifying Him and straightway in order to honor & glorify God the Father. John 14:6 & John 5:22-23

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time, the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 6:46 Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath seen the Father.

Scripture establishes that men have not seen God the Father at any time, but men have seen God in the Old Testament, and that God that the men have seen was Jesus Christ as the Son of God BEFORE His incarnation. Jesus verified that Moses wrote about Him.
Because, like I already explained---God made Himself a body, and that body is Jesus', not yet known as Jesus. He is the first and the last. The first body he had in heaven is the last body he received after ascending back to heaven.

John 5:39 Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me. 40 And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life...… 46 For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me. 47 But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
That scripture are how to get eternal life, and the people still rejected Jesus.
By His own words, Jesus said that Abraham had seen Him.

John 8:56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am. 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.
Abraham had seen Jesus because he is still alive in the spirit.
Genesis 18:1And the Lord appeared unto him in the plains of Mamre: and he sat in the tent door in the heat of the day; 2 And he lift up his eyes and looked, and, lo, three men stood by him: and when he saw them, he ran to meet them from the tent door, and bowed himself toward the ground, 3 And said, My Lord, if now I have found favour in thy sight, pass not away, I pray thee, from thy servant: 4 Let a little water, I pray you, be fetched, and wash your feet, and rest yourselves under the tree: 5 And I will fetch a morsel of bread, and comfort ye your hearts; after that ye shall pass on: for therefore are ye come to your servant. And they said, So do, as thou hast said. 6 And Abraham hastened into the tent unto Sarah, and said, Make ready quickly three measures of fine meal, knead it, and make cakes upon the hearth. 7 And Abraham ran unto the herd, and fetcht a calf tender and good, and gave it unto a young man; and he hasted to dress it. 8 And he took butter, and milk, and the calf which he had dressed, and set it before them; and he stood by them under the tree, and they did eat.

The Lord with those 3 men did eat and drank what Abraham had provided.

So Jesus was the God men had seen in the O.T. and He had a celestial body that He even ate and drank with before His incarnation as the Son of man to give His life as a ransom for many.
Like I have been telling you, Jesus is God the Father made visible with a physical body.
 
Explain to me why saved believers that pray to the Holy Spirit in slain in the spirit phenomenon and holy laughter movement to come & fall on them, that happens?

Were they praying to the Holy Spirit or not? If so, then why did confusion comes when God is not the author of it?

So if slain in the spirit & holy laughter is not of God, then if what you say is true and the Holy Spirit is the Same Person as the Father & the Son, why God would allow the devil to respond when praying to Him as the Holy Spirit?
 
Explain to me why saved believers that pray to the Holy Spirit in slain in the spirit phenomenon and holy laughter movement to come & fall on them, that happens?
There are people who practice false doctrines.
Were they praying to the Holy Spirit or not?
I don't believe that slain in the Spirit, holy laughter, drunk in the Spirit, rolling on the ground and other things like doing animal sounds are from God.
If so, then why did confusion comes when God is not the author of it?

We are told to watch our lives and our doctrines closely.

1 Timothy 4:16 Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee.


We are told to study, and to check the scriptures.
So if slain in the spirit & holy laughter is not of God, then if what you say is true and the Holy Spirit is the Same Person as the Father & the Son, why God would allow the devil to respond when praying to Him as the Holy Spirit?
First answer me this, how do you ever get that if the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all the same one, then it means the false doctrines of holy laughter, and slain in the Spirit is real?

You need to explain that, because you keep using that as some kind of way to disprove what I say.
 
I don't believe that slain in the Spirit, holy laughter, drunk in the Spirit, rolling on the ground and other things like doing animal sounds are from God.

First answer me this, how do you ever get that if the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are all the same one, then it means the false doctrines of holy laughter, and slain in the Spirit is real?

You need to explain that, because you keep using that as some kind of way to disprove what I say.
May God cause the increase...

Believers sometimes invoke these phenomenon by calling on the Holy Spirit to come and fall on them; even those who seek another baptism of the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues thus using tongues as a sign for that other baptism with the Holy Ghost to seek after.

If you can understand this methodology or rudiment for how these phenomenon can sometimes happen,

If the Father is the Holy Spirit as the same Person, why is that which is not of God happening when saved believers address the Holy Spirit, pray to the Holy Spirit, or call on the Holy Spirit to come?

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May God cause the increase...
God causes the increase to those who repent. If you don't want to repent for believing and teaching falseness, then what do you think God is going to increase you with?
Believers sometimes invoke these phenomenon by calling on the Holy Spirit to come and fall on them;
I don't think I heard that before.
even those who seek another baptism of the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues thus using tongues as a sign for that other baptism with the Holy Ghost to seek after.
Speaking in tongues ceased a long time ago, and, there is only one baptism.

God has however, according to the scriptures, given people gifts and healing after being baptized with the Spirit.

Jesus is the Holy Spirit, yet when he was baptized, he was baptized with power.
If you can understand this methodology or rudiment for how these phenomenon can sometimes happen,
You still aren't explaining how the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit cause some sort of problem in your mind if they are the same. one.
If the Father is the Holy Spirit as the same Person, why is that which is not of God happening when saved believers address the Holy Spirit, pray to the Holy Spirit, or call on the Holy Spirit to come?

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They are praying and calling for something they learned from false teachers.
We have to be careful.
 
God causes the increase to those who repent. If you don't want to repent for believing and teaching falseness, then what do you think God is going to increase you with?

I don't think I heard that before.

Speaking in tongues ceased a long time ago, and, there is only one baptism.

God has however, according to the scriptures, given people gifts and healing after being baptized with the Spirit.

Jesus is the Holy Spirit, yet when he was baptized, he was baptized with power.

You still aren't explaining how the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit cause some sort of problem in your mind if they are the same. one.

They are praying and calling for something they learned from false teachers.
We have to be careful.
If the Father & the Son and the Holy Ghost are the same Person, why is the Son the only way to the Father and not also the Holy Spirit? John 14:6

If the Father & the Son and the Holy Ghost are the same Person, why is by only honoring the Son you can honor the Father by and not also the Holy Spirit? John 5:22-23

If the Father & the Son and the Holy Ghost are the same Person, why is the Father not judging any one, but render all judgment unto the Son by how believers honor the Son or not honor the Son? John 5:22-23 again
 
If the Father & the Son and the Holy Ghost are the same Person, why is the Son the only way to the Father and not also the Holy Spirit? John 14:6
We have to go through what God the Father did for us.
He came in the flesh as a man named Jesus and died for us.
If the Father & the Son and the Holy Ghost are the same Person, why is by only honoring the Son you can honor the Father by and not also the Holy Spirit? John 5:22-23
Again, because we have to accept Jesus.
If the Father & the Son and the Holy Ghost are the same Person, why is the Father not judging any one, but render all judgment unto the Son by how believers honor the Son or not honor the Son? John 5:22-23 again
It is all about going through Jesus, which means we have to do what he says to do to get saved, and we have to have faith in his shed blood on the cross.
 
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