Resurrection of the... (body?)

[Lanolin]

no, am not a catholic, don't know where you got that idea.

well, I read the Holy Bible, so, not sure what the 'complete jewish bible' is meant to be, I mean is there conversely a 'complete christian bible'?

God makes all things new, but like a potter with clay he has to have something to work with. We are to be vessels of honor, not vessels of dishonor bound for destruction.

Shalom.

 

[amadeus2]

I personally think bones are important to God as he formed us in the womb and fashioned us.
Also Ezekiel mentions that God makes dry bones live.
And when Jesus was crucified not one bone was broken, the other mens' bones were.
I think this matters in how we treat a loved one's body. So that's why it saddens me when I see christians being cremated or having family cremate believers. It just seems wrong.
It doesn't matter the other parts of the body but the bones are what make you physically YOU and unique because they contain God's blueprints.

When Eve was formed out of Adam, she was shaped from Adam's rib.

Yes, the bones are very important, spiritually speaking. The reason, I believe, Jesus bones were not broken was his framework was perfect, his grasp of the Truth was perfect, his very Life as he lived it as a man was perfect.

For you and me our bony skeleton is that which forms or outlines or makes our natural bodies the bodies that they are and not a sagging boneless hunk of flesh bending every which way, but that is a type or shadow of Jesus and of that which we should become:

"That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;" Eph 4:14

Notice what happens to all of the types or shadows of the bones of Jesus:

"In one house shall it be eaten; thou shalt not carry forth ought of the flesh abroad out of the house; neither shall ye break a bone thereof." Ex 12:46

He keepeth all his bones: not one of them is broken." Ps 34:20

"For these things were done, that the scripture should be fulfilled, A bone of him shall not be broken." John 19:36

But the bones of the corruptible man...

"Make me to hear joy and gladness; that the bones which thou hast broken may rejoice." Psalm 51:8

For my days are consumed like smoke, and my bones are burned as an hearth." Psalm 102:3

"Our bones are scattered at the grave's mouth, as when one cutteth and cleaveth wood upon the earth." Psalm 141:7

There were they in great fear, where no fear was: for God hath scattered the bones of him that encampeth against thee: thou hast put them to shame, because God hath despised them." Psalm 53:5

"For he knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we are dust." Psalm 103:14

 

[Ophel]

Hello!
I'm sorry I haven't read all the replies but just going to add this is an interesting topic and my thoughts upon studying the bible about it, cos its a very important question is...

When we die, our spirit are given up to God. Like when Jesus died, it said he 'gave up the ghost'. I think that refers to his spirit..
Our physical bodies, because they belong to God as well, may perish, but God will raise them imperishable, so we DO get new bodies but spiritual bodies. We will still be recognisable as what God originally intended for us to be when He makes us new. I hope that makes sense.

The reason why we bury the dead not cremate them, ie.. christian burial, is because of this belief that God raised Jesus body. Now the body was not the perishable body he came in but made brand new, even though his scars on hands and feet do remind us what he went through. God doesn't want anyone destroying what He created, only He has the right to do that. Jesus warned that unbelievers will perish in hell and their bones etc are just burned everything to ashes. They will not get new bodies.

This is what I understand, hope it makes sense.
I don't get the 'soul sleep' thing I think there's a bit of confusion over that. We say RIP because our bodies are resting in the ground waiting for the resurrection. The resurrection has not happened yet cos if it has, you would see all these people walking round who'd died years and years ago. I think our souls do go to paradise but do not enter heaven before the gates are officially opened at the last trump.

Are you talking about cremation? It matters not how we dispatch the body after death. God will reconstruct it anew as an imperishable, eternal body of glory, wherever it is and whatever condition it may be in.

All those who are in Christ and have died are in heaven, but in their spirits. They have seen the gates and entered into their rest.

 

[Ophel]

I personally think bones are important to God as he formed us in the womb and fashioned us.
Also Ezekiel mentions that God makes dry bones live.
And when Jesus was crucified not one bone was broken, the other mens' bones were.
I think this matters in how we treat a loved one's body. So that's why it saddens me when I see christians being cremated or having family cremate believers. It just seems wrong.
It doesn't matter the other parts of the body but the bones are what make you physically YOU and unique because they contain God's blueprints.

When Eve was formed out of Adam, she was shaped from Adam's rib.

What makes us the individuals we are is our SPIRITS! Our bones are merely just another of our many human parts.

 

[Lanolin]

God gives us his Holy Spirit who dwells in us.
Our bones are very important to Him.

He is making us new. Before we were saved and born again we are dead..we are only in the natural, and God's very spirit did not dwell in us. The bones are a vessel for the spirit. When Jesus said flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom, notice he did not say 'bones'. That's because God will put NEW flesh and blood on our bones. See Ezekiel. Also, when we partake in the Lord's supper Jesus asked us to eat his flesh (in bread) and drink his blood (in the wine) as symbols of our communion with him. Spirits without a body cannot eat or drink, they have no need.

If anyone does not confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, there is no truth in him.

See 1 John 4:2 and else where all throughout the bible!!!

 

[Lanolin]

To me cremation is tantamount to holocaust, which happened to the Jews. No christian should contemplate giving their body to be burned or burn someone else's body, that is what Jesus warned would be the judgement of hell.

Jesus body was anointed for burial, not cremation. We are to follow his example, even if we have to wait 1000 years rather than his 3 days to be resurrected.

 

[Bendito]

To me cremation is tantamount to holocaust, which happened to the Jews. No christian should contemplate giving their body to be burned or burn someone else's body, that is what Jesus warned would be the judgement of hell.

Jesus body was anointed for burial, not cremation. We are to follow his example, even if we have to wait 1000 years rather than his 3 days to be resurrected.

The 1 John 4:2 reference....what does that have to do with bones? We are spirits, we have a soul (mind), and we live in a physical body so we can live and do in a physical world...That's the only reason we have a physical body.
Lanolin if you choose to feel that way about the physical body,its your right. Treat your body accordingly. Others do not look at it that way, and you're not giving scriptural basis for your beliefs

 

[amadeus2]

To me cremation is tantamount to holocaust, which happened to the Jews. No christian should contemplate giving their body to be burned or burn someone else's body, that is what Jesus warned would be the judgement of hell.

Jesus body was anointed for burial, not cremation. We are to follow his example, even if we have to wait 1000 years rather than his 3 days to be resurrected.

Scripture certainly teaches us that we should be good stewards over all that God has given to us. Each of us has a body included in his/her stewardship. The body is not the most important thing, but neither is it to be neglected. When does our stewardship over that body end? Once our natural eyes close for the last time, are we still responsible? If we are then is it wrong to designate certain still usable parts (such as hearts, livers, etc.) to be transplanted to others in need of such things?

As to cremation versus burial what difference can that make? If money matters, perhaps there is a difference but not to me when my physical body is already dead. I might suggest to my wife or family what is to be done with my corpse, but the decision is theirs.

 

[B-A-C]

It is possible, our new bodies will be spiritual bodies.

1 Cor 15:42; So is it with the resurrection of the dead. What is sown is perishable; what is raised is imperishable.
1 Cor 15:43; It is sown in dishonor; it is raised in glory. It is sown in weakness; it is raised in power.
1 Cor 15:44; It is sown a natural body; it is raised a spiritual body. If there is a natural body, there is also a spiritual body.
1 Cor 15:45; Thus it is written, “The first man Adam became a living being”; the last Adam became a life-giving spirit.
1 Cor 15:46; But it is not the spiritual that is first but the natural, and then the spiritual.
1 Cor 15:47; The first man was from the earth, a man of dust; the second man is from heaven.
1 Cor 15:48; As was the man of dust, so also are those who are of the dust, and as is the man of heaven, so also are those who are of heaven.
1 Cor 15:49; Just as we have borne the image of the man of dust, we shall also bear the image of the man of heaven.

A spiritual body would not have flesh and bones. ( Luke 24:39; )

2 Cor 5:1; For we know that if the tent that is our earthly home is destroyed, we have a building from God, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens.
2 Cor 5:2; For in this tent we groan, longing to put on our heavenly dwelling,
2 Cor 5:3; if indeed by putting it on we may not be found naked.
2 Cor 5:4; For while we are still in this tent, we groan, being burdened—not that we would be unclothed, but that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal may be swallowed up by life.
2 Cor 5:5; He who has prepared us for this very thing is God, who has given us the Spirit as a guarantee.

Our earthly tent doesn't last forever... we will be given a new "tent".
Or at least some will... it's possible some don't. (I'm not sure about this... still studying).

Some Christians are naked... ( Rev 3:17-18; )
There are warnings about staying alert and awake so "we will not walk about naked" ( Rev 16:15; )
If seems our new tents keeps us from being "naked. 2 Cor 5:3;

The overcomers will be clothed ( Rev 3:5; )
It seems one thing that will determine if we are clothed or not is "righteous acts of the saints". ( Rev 19:8; )

 

[Ophel]

God gives us his Holy Spirit who dwells in us.
Our bones are very important to Him.

He is making us new. Before we were saved and born again we are dead..we are only in the natural, and God's very spirit did not dwell in us. The bones are a vessel for the spirit. When Jesus said flesh and blood will not inherit the kingdom, notice he did not say 'bones'. That's because God will put NEW flesh and blood on our bones. See Ezekiel. Also, when we partake in the Lord's supper Jesus asked us to eat his flesh (in bread) and drink his blood (in the wine) as symbols of our communion with him. Spirits without a body cannot eat or drink, they have no need.

If anyone does not confess that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh, there is no truth in him.

See 1 John 4:2 and else where all throughout the bible!!!

You need to produce the scriptural proof that "the bones are a vessel for the spirit". I've never heard anything so silly in all my life.

You do know that the bones are part of our flesh, don't you? Add to that the soul or the mind---which are also part of what makes up the flesh of man.

 

[Ophel]

To me cremation is tantamount to holocaust, which happened to the Jews. No christian should contemplate giving their body to be burned or burn someone else's body, that is what Jesus warned would be the judgement of hell.

Jesus body was anointed for burial, not cremation. We are to follow his example, even if we have to wait 1000 years rather than his 3 days to be resurrected.

Cremation is an appropriate method of dealing with a dead human body. There is nothing sinful in it, nor does the bible say anything against it.

You may have an aversion to cremation, but it is completely lawful for a Christian.