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Religion... but not as we've known it

jiggyfly

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Religion... but not as we've known it
by Lynette Woods


"The time is coming when people will not tolerate sound and wholesome instruction, but, having ears itching for something pleasing and gratifying, they will gather to themselves one teacher after another to a considerable number, chosen to satisfy their own liking and to foster the errors they hold, and will turn aside from hearing the truth and wander off into myths and man-made fictions." 2 Tim. 4:3,4.

If there is anything that epitomizes "myths and man-made fictions" then religion would have to be it! These verses describe exactly what we see in the world today, whether people call it "religion" or not. Religion is a word very closely associated with the church and is thought of in a positive light by many Christians. Those outside of the church typically think of someone religious as being legalistic, traditional, crusading for Christianity etc. However, what I'm wanting to focus on is a One World Religion which I believe to be at the root and foundation of every single human being, regardless of age and regardless of what belief system they have. This One World Religion is behind every religion that is on this earth (whether Christian or not). This religion has only one god and this god is worshipped and served like no other. The name of this religion's god is Self.

Being religious extends far beyond Pharisees, beyond Muslims, beyond Christians, to the very core of who we are: Self with a capital S. Jesus said some awful things to the religious, so if this is true, then we may find Him saying some harsh things and upsetting a few of our temple's tables in order to reveal the god that is behind it all, releasing us from our self-made religion and revealing the freedom which can only be found in Him.

The etymology of the word "religion" is quite revealing. It stems from two words: re (again) and ligare (meaning to bind or tie, a bond or obligation). Religion puts people into bondage and blindness again and again. It is part of the curse because it separates us from God. It is something which has been part of mankind ever since Adam and Eve decided to trust themselves and their own judgments rather than trusting God and we are daily faced with this same choice: trust God or Self.

Even people who believe they are not religious may be part of this religion because the basis of all religions and religiosity is Self; whether it is Self doing works or doing nothing and simply "being". Many leave their religion or church not because they heard God ask them to, but because that is what Self wanted to do; and the same can also be true for those who go back to it all. Self justifies anything and everything. This religion is quite simply a case of Self listening to Self. Self doing for Self. Self defence. Self righteousness. Self preservation. Self realization. Self help. Self enlightenment. Self justification. Self discovery. Self expression. Self governing. Self discerning and judging. Self disguised as "spiritual". Self-ish to the core. This religion is based on us and what we think, do, and say whereas true spirituality is based upon all that Christ has done and is doing; upon all that He has said and is saying!

This religion of Self is not particular about whether you go to a church or not, whether you are devout outwardly or not; so long as Self is served. Its creed is: do whatever you believe to be right. This religion is all about what Self likes, what feels right to Self, what Self dictates and then "crusading" towards that end. And when the message which Christ proclaims through the Bible about denying Self, dying daily and losing your life is given, it is often rejected because the god which Self has created would not ever say such things! You get a reaction because the god of Self is governing rather than the God of Jesus Christ.

The spirit of this world is not ignorant of our susceptability to being governed by Self and makes the most of it by making what is false sound like truth; but the truth is it can be just our interpretation of what seems right to us. "But you must understand this at the outset, that no prophecy of scripture arose from an individual's interpretation of the truth. No prophecy came because a man wanted it to: men of God spoke because they were inspired by the Holy Spirit. But even in those days there were false prophets, just as there will be false teachers among you today. They will be men who will subtly introduce dangerous heresies... With their high-sounding nonsense they use the sensual pull of the lower passions to attract those who were just on the point of cutting loose from their companions in misconduct. They promise them liberty. Liberty! - when they themselves are bound hand and foot to utter depravity. For a man is the slave of whatever masters him." (2 Pet. 1:20-2:1,18,19).

Many these days are bound by religion even when they have left the visible traditions of their religion. Their religion has not left them because they are still enslaved and governed by Self; they are finding "freedom" in SELF rather than in Christ. This is an absolute tragedy. It is also diabolically devious... to be tricked into leaving one form of bondage for another in the guise of "freedom" and thinking you are free and yet to still be imprisoned, is tragic.

How could we be so deceived? Because religion is a spirit. Behind all of religion are spiritual forces which are determined to deceive "if possible even the elect". How do they attempt to do this? Through Self: what we see, hear, think, desire and even genuinely believe. When God opens our spiritual eyes to see what is real and true and what is merely an illusion of reality and truth, it is quite shocking. We wonder how we could have been duped and been so blind! Knowledge is a very powerful commodity; it can either release or bind. When we think we know something, we will stubbornly cling to it and not seek to find out more because we think we already know. But it is only as we realize we know nothing that we begin to know Everything (Christ) and receive Him as our Wisdom which sets us free from our very little world and religion of Self... We begin to discover the ever expanding Universe which is Christ in God.

Only what is received and revealed through Him can transform us. Religion will simply conform and deceive us. We need to be born into our Father's family and not just call Him "Father" or "Papa" because others do. We need a Revelation of Christ and not a religion about Christ. Saul of Tarsus was not released from religion by Stephen's amazing and Holy Spirit inspired speech; all it needed was for him to personally see and hear Christ for himself; a Revelation of Christ. This principle still applies to each of us today.

We each need to see and know Christ for Who He really is rather than how we would like Him to be. My love for Him is not truly for Him if I don't want to see Him or accept Him as He is. Both historically and today, He often reveals something of Himself and people reject Him... just because He is different to what Self/Religion expected! Listen to what He says: "Anyone who intends to come with Me has to let Me lead. You're not in the driver's seat; I am. Don't run from suffering; embrace it. Follow Me and I'll show you how. Self-help is no help at all. Self-sacrifice is the way, My way, to saving yourself, your true self. What good would it do to get everything you want and lose you, the real you? If anyone intends to come after Me, let him deny himself [forget, ignore, disown, and lose sight of himself and his own interests] and take up his cross, and follow Me. For whoever wants to save his life, will lose it; and whoever gives up his life for My sake and the Gospel's will save it." (Mark 8:34-36).

Only freedom from Self will bring freedom from religion, obligation and bondage. This is why the message of freedom given in the Bible is Life which comes through death! The only way to be free of Self is to die to Self. Doing whatever Self wants is not freedom but bondage because you are bound to do what YOU want; Self is your master. Some pride themselves on what they can do within religion; others pride themselves on what they can do outside of religion. BOTH can still be religious because whether legalistic or liberal, by the book or having none, BOTH extremes may be dictated by Self and by the temperament or type of person they are naturally. BOTH extremes can be based on Self's preferences and what Self naturally likes; it is a religion where the god of Self is worshipped, deified and obeyed without question!

"God's will must not be made subject to my own temperament. When we know a man's make-up it is often all too easy to guess what ''guidance" he will get, because his natural proclivities intrude so subtly upon the leading of God. Too much so-called guidance among us is little more than personal bias. A timid brother is "guided" to take a back seat. A forward brother is "guided" to take a front seat. Each claims to be led of the Lord. Is he? Or is his temperament ruling him? The pure will of God demands of me that what I am temperamentally shall be set aside. I should be so Spirit-filled that the man beside me cannot foresee, on grounds of my temperament alone, how God will lead me. Oh let me beware of slanting the will of God in the direction of my own natural leanings! Even the Lord Jesus, whose own will was surely faultless, nevertheless set it aside in favour of the Father's who sent Him. If He should do that, how much more must I!" (Watchman Nee, A Table in the Wilderness).

Yes, How much more must I? Being led by the Spirit of God does not mean we are led by our natural preferences and whatever we like as some seem to believe. Religion and Self distort God, even to the point of creating a god in our own image; a god we are happy and content with, a god we can understand and identify with, a god we can worship and love. But there is nothing loving about a god who does not convict or correct you and just allows you to believe a lie and do whatever you want (see Heb. 12:5-11). That is not the God of Jesus Christ Who Himself said: "Those whom I dearly and tenderly love, I tell their faults and convict and convince and reprove and chasten them" (Rev. 3:19).

In the same way as we confuse socializing with fellowship, licentiousness with freedom and condemnation with conviction, so too we can confuse being religious with being spiritually mature. There is a vast gap between each of these 'dynamic duos' for one is earthly and the other is heavenly.

God did not create religion, man did. At the tower of Babel man had a spiritual-sounding goal and were even united in their efforts "to reach the heavens". But God's verdict on all their hard work was: "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them. Come, let us go down and confuse their language so they will not understand each other. So the Lord scattered them from there over all the earth, and they stopped building the city." (Gen 11:6-8). Why did He do that? We today might think it a good thing to be as one people, all working together in unity on one thing but God does not. Why? Because pride and Self were at the root of it and not God Himself. We still see His same judgment on religion in the world today: wherever people are like-minded and 'speak the same language' and work together building something here on earth, you eventually find division after division among them as they are scattered abroad.

Religion is certainly a confusion of many voices, it is a mixture of what is true and false that God must divide in order to reveal what is of Him and what is not. The very essence of Babylon and religion is mixture and confusion; in fact the name "Babylon" (which is the same Hebrew word for Babel) means: confusion by mixing. From the Garden of Eden to the end of this world, the mixing of truth with error remains a very successful means of deceiving and seducing us. In the book of Revelation in reference to Babylon is written, "by your magic spells and poisonous charm all nations were led astray, seduced and deluded. And in her was found the blood of prophets and of saints..." (Rev. 18:23,24) and the cry to us all is: "Come out from her, My people, so that you may not share in her sins, neither participate in her plagues..." There are some things which God must divide and separate and which we must reject and turn away from.

People need religion to feel good about Self and what they're doing; but God scatters, confuses and divides in the hope that individuals will repent of their religion and turn to Him instead. His original desire was simply relationship with each and every human. In an attempt to have some form of that relationship He set aside some as priests and prophets who would mediate between Himself and His people until His Son came to earth to completely undo the damage which had been done and to establish personal, individual relationship with each of His children. God's focus is always Christ, and all the meticulous details and laws of the Torah were a way of pointing to the Perfection of Christ while also highlighting the imperfections and inadequacy of man.

Religion is basically a set of beliefs, personal beliefs... also known as mindsets and paradigms! Instead of having our beliefs formed by Self or other people, no matter how spiritual others may seem, we simply must learn to listen to only our Father and know His voice. We cannot trust ourselves but have to yield up our minds and what we think is right in order to learn Christ! "So I tell you this, and insist on it in the Lord, that you must no longer live as the Gentiles do, in the futility of their thinking. They are darkened in their understanding and separated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them due to the hardening of their hearts. Having lost all sensitivity, they have given themselves over to sensuality so as to indulge in every kind of impurity, with a continual lust for more. You, however, did not come to know Christ that way. Surely you heard of Him and were taught in Him in accordance with the truth that is in Jesus. You were taught, with regard to your former way of life, to put off your old self, which is being corrupted by its deceitful desires; to be made new in the attitude of your minds; and to put on the new self, created to be like God in true righteousness and holiness." (Eph. 4:17-24).

We are new creations in Christ and as our minds are renewed we learn daily through experience to distinguish and discern between what is the new Life in us, and what is the old nature: Self. What is from God often makes no sense to Self, instead it may completely contradict what we naturally think. Not one of us is willingly deceived or duped by Religion. We will instead be sincerely deceived; we will sincerely believe that we are right! But sincerity does not mean something is true. We cannot discern right from wrong or truth from deception ourselves; at all! Discernment must come from outside of Self... it comes only from knowing the living Word of God; not a head knowledge of Him but a genuine, experiential, intimate, heart knowledge of Christ as He really is which results in distinguishing between His voice and the many voices, including our own voice.

Religion robs God of what is rightly His: people's hearts! Religion is a substitute for Christ. The religious heart is absorbed and blinded by what it sees and worships - and it is the same end result whether you're worshipping Mary, the Church, Allah or unconsciously worshipping your Self! Religion results in blindness, bondage and death - again and again; re-ligion = being bound again. Instead, we desperately need to know through personal experience the liberation and freedom which only Christ brings and the true meaning of the word "release": to free and loosen (relax) and to have a lease again - to be given over to Another with a new lease of Life! May this be the experience and living testimony of each one of us.

"The Spirit of the Lord... has sent Me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to release the oppressed, to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor" Luke 4:18,19.
 
"There is nothing loving about a god who does not convict or correct you and just allows you to believe a lie and do whatever you want "(see Heb. 12:5-11).

"This One World Religion is behind every religion that is on this earth (whether Christian or not). This religion has only one god and this god is worshiped and served like no other. The name of this religion's god is Self."


These stood out to me. This is truth!

The Ecumenical movement is all about "love" but it is a selfish and false love, not a love that has God at the center of its motives. These are the comments I just posted on fb, so i`ll share them here also.

Ecumenism has come to mean "reducing all elements of faith to the lowest common denominator."

As long as you can claim some of the trappings of religion ( the only real common denominator required) you will be accepted as one of the brethren of the round table.

ONE FOR ALL AND ALL FOR ...ANYTHING?

As far as I can tell, the only persons who cannot sit around the Ecumenical table, is the Atheist, but perhaps in some circles they are accepted also, for surely the non-existent god, is as acceptable as the god of mans imagination.

Will the true disciple of Christ shove [the divisive] Christ, and his teaching, aside for the sake of embracing, and being embraced by the brotherhood?

"IF you hold to MY teaching, you are really my disciples.Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." John 8:31

Gal 2:4 "Pretending to be believers, these men slipped into our group as spies, in order to find out about the freedom we have through our union with Christ Jesus. They wanted to make slaves of us, but in order to keep the truth of the gospel safe for you, we did not give in to them for a minute."
 
Lynette Woods EH!!! hmmm

interesting and good editorial if she hadn't contradicted herself. My view of religion and Christianity is fundamental and basic. So which people won't believe because it is so fundamentally simple.

A religion is a man-made belief system. Whether it's based on the Word of God or not is irrelevant simply because the devotion is made to that belief and not to Jesus rather their denomination through its hierarchy testifies before God for them. The greatest delusion of the religious and why they are lost.

Christianity is a way of life with only 3 principles (simple)
-belief in God
-accept Christ as your personal Saviour
-live by the Laws of God: the Gospels are the Laws of God, (the Torah> Jewish) or if you wish the 1st five books of the O.T. {ALL ARE THE SAME PERIOD in order to teach the laws to the ignorant peasants the Laws of God were made equally simple by teaching them based on 2.
-Love God with all your heart, mind & soul
-Love your neighbour as yourself

Just don't get me wrong the belief is fundamentally simple ... the walk is not>> lol


your brother in Christ
 
This is an absolute tragedy. It is also diabolically devious... to be tricked into leaving one form of bondage for another in the guise of "freedom" and thinking you are free and yet to still be imprisoned, is tragic.

In the same way as we confuse socializing with fellowship, licentiousness with freedom and condemnation with conviction, so too we can confuse being religious with being spiritually mature. There is a vast gap between each of these 'dynamic duos' for one is earthly and the other is heavenly.


"Christ didn't die so that we can have a better religion"
a saying which i recently heared, i found it very true seeing people building thier own religious system in the name of Jesus. Honestly it dosen't surprise me if it wasn't coming from christians.

We are new creations in Christ and as our minds are renewed we learn daily through experience to distinguish and discern between what is the new Life in us, and what is the old nature: Self. What is from God often makes no sense to Self, instead it may completely contradict what we naturally think.

this is where i thought we need a complit deliverance to come to understand to this light.


God's focus is always Christ, and all the meticulous details and laws of the Torah were a way of pointing to the Perfection of Christ while also highlighting the imperfections and inadequacy of man.

Amen....Hallelujah
 
Lynette Woods EH!!! hmmm

interesting and good editorial if she hadn't contradicted herself. My view of religion and Christianity is fundamental and basic. So which people won't believe because it is so fundamentally simple.

A religion is a man-made belief system. Whether it's based on the Word of God or not is irrelevant simply because the devotion is made to that belief and not to Jesus rather their denomination through its hierarchy testifies before God for them. The greatest delusion of the religious and why they are lost.

Christianity is a way of life with only 3 principles (simple)
-belief in God
-accept Christ as your personal Saviour
-live by the Laws of God: the Gospels are the Laws of God, (the Torah> Jewish) or if you wish the 1st five books of the O.T. {ALL ARE THE SAME PERIOD in order to teach the laws to the ignorant peasants the Laws of God were made equally simple by teaching them based on 2.
-Love God with all your heart, mind & soul
-Love your neighbour as yourself

Just don't get me wrong the belief is fundamentally simple ... the walk is not>> lol


your brother in Christ

Could you be so kind to point out her contradiction?
 
The False Prophet

I really enjoyed reading this because it's the truth and therefore not popular in mainstream churches.
The churches, especially today, whether in America, Europe or anywhere are chock full of religion. Some of it is the self-empowerment made popular by Rick Warren. Some of it is the rituals made popular by the Catholic Church. Some of it is the neo-culture of the Charismatic Church. Whether Baptist, Pentecostal, Episcopalian, etc., all emasculate Christ in the name of self.
This is the false prophet and the lies of Satan. Masquerading as religion while not telling the whole truth... which is the way Satan always lies.
While pride is the original sin of man's, it's also Satan's. Jesus chose to come to earth with the message: Follow me. Satan was cast from heaven with the message: Follow you. While Christ offers salvation through submission, Satan offers the same damnation he's been given through our natural tendency... rebellion.
The father of lies and the prince of the world has his death grip on the churches and churched today with his beautiful lies and most enjoy their ears being tickled than the harshness of cold truth.
While some wait for a "great tribulation" of persecution, I scoff. Why does there need to be? Religion is the friend of the world.
 
"Religion is a word very closely associated with the church and is thought of in a positive light by many Christians. Those outside of the church typically think of someone religious as being legalistic, traditional, crusading for Christianity etc. However, what I'm wanting to focus on is a One World Religion which I believe to be at the root and foundation of every single human being, regardless of age and regardless of what belief system they have. This One World Religion is behind every religion that is on this earth (whether Christian or not)"
^sorry I don't know how to use the quote command, this the quote^

What is the most alarming is how we can place religion and Christianity on the same plain let alone have them appear in unison, this is the greatest hypocrisy. Later as the article continues she goes onto demean the whole notion of region painting it as a global evil without addressing, the link she made between religion and Christians as above . Therefore she also demeans Christianity with her condemnation of religion.

This contradiction causes confusion among young Christians looking for hope whether they are 12 or 112. Until this misconception is addressed and publicly discussed, we that do live according to the Ministry Of Christ (Jesus' own ministry) or true Christians will always be marginalized, with our voices buried. That is sad because I want more people to have the same hope and faith in salvation I do.
 
"Religion is a word very closely associated with the church and is thought of in a positive light by many Christians. Those outside of the church typically think of someone religious as being legalistic, traditional, crusading for Christianity etc. However, what I'm wanting to focus on is a One World Religion which I believe to be at the root and foundation of every single human being, regardless of age and regardless of what belief system they have. This One World Religion is behind every religion that is on this earth (whether Christian or not)"
^sorry I don't know how to use the quote command, this the quote^

What is the most alarming is how we can place religion and Christianity on the same plain let alone have them appear in unison, this is the greatest hypocrisy. Later as the article continues she goes onto demean the whole notion of region painting it as a global evil without addressing, the link she made between religion and Christians as above . Therefore she also demeans Christianity with her condemnation of religion.

This contradiction causes confusion among young Christians looking for hope whether they are 12 or 112. Until this misconception is addressed and publicly discussed, we that do live according to the Ministry Of Christ (Jesus' own ministry) or true Christians will always be marginalized, with our voices buried. That is sad because I want more people to have the same hope and faith in salvation I do.


Sorry Pegan but I don't see it as contradictory at all, I'm not sure what your paradigm of salvation is but I assure you there are many within today's christian and the author is addressing some of this confusion rather than causing it. Maybe you should reread it, I find this article very refreshing and full of Truth
 
Perhaps, but what I marked shows how the religious world have been demeaning Christianity. It is unfortunate how you cannot see what is clearly presented. I cannot spell it out more simply than I have. You know what? That is the point, so many are so far away from the Lord, our Saviour Jesus they simply cannot see or understand the evil around them and it is that confusion, that blinds so many people and lulls them into the false sense of security that they will be redeemed and have salvation. The saddest part is they are not ... for they know not the Lord. It those people that I pray for the hardest. Since you asked, again I am in awe that you can not deal with the absolute simplicity of Jesus' own Ministry. I know my Lord because I live according to His Ministry, for that I feel sorry for you.

My paradigm (my example of) salvation is Jesus himself, His Ministry, His life. Since you missed it, it was the 3rd post on this thread, my first reply. It is disappointing to me to see someone calling himself a Christian and not understand it at all.
 
Perhaps, but what I marked shows how the religious world have been demeaning Christianity. It is unfortunate how you cannot see what is clearly presented. I cannot spell it out more simply than I have. You know what? That is the point, so many are so far away from the Lord, our Saviour Jesus they simply cannot see or understand the evil around them and it is that confusion, that blinds so many people and lulls them into the false sense of security that they will be redeemed and have salvation. The saddest part is they are not ... for they know not the Lord. It those people that I pray for the hardest. Since you asked, again I am in awe that you can not deal with the absolute simplicity of Jesus' own Ministry. I know my Lord because I live according to His Ministry, for that I feel sorry for you.

My paradigm (my example of) salvation is Jesus himself, His Ministry, His life. Since you missed it, it was the 3rd post on this thread, my first reply. It is disappointing to me to see someone calling himself a Christian and not understand it at all.


While I do agree with you that there is definitely a simplicity to Christ, we just don't agree on what that simplicity is. You seem to be inclined to "live in His ministry" ( another area we probably don't agree on) and I simply live in Him and Him in me.

Now as far as the author contradicting herself in this article, again I see no contradiction, but I do however see a contradiction between your paradigm and hers, for sure. But all things aside thanks for expressing your opinion. God bless
 
""Religion is a word very closely associated with the church and is thought of in a positive light by many Christians".

What is the most alarming is how we can place religion and Christianity on the same plain let alone have them appear in unison, this is the greatest hypocrisy. Later as the article continues she goes onto demean the whole notion of religion painting it as a global evil without addressing, the link she made between religion and Christians as above . Therefore she also demeans Christianity with her condemnation of religion.

This contradiction causes confusion among young Christians looking for hope whether they are 12 or 112. Until this misconception is addressed and publicly discussed, we that do live according to the Ministry Of Christ (Jesus' own ministry) or true Christians will always be marginalized, with our voices buried. That is sad because I want more people to have the same hope and faith in salvation I do.



I`m trying to follow your point, but I dont see how "Christianity is demeaned by condemnation of Religion" if they are not one and the same?
Something "thought" or toted to be truth, doesnt make it so.

True, there are those who do confuse fellowship of the Son with Religion.
But there is a great divide where the former requires the Spirit, and is centered in Christ, and the latter does not require His presence, because performance (our own) is the hub.

I`d like to discuss this further, but i`m afraid i`m only adding to the confusion lol
 
First, as I said to jiggyfly did you ... never mind...
Your right, to be a Christian (follower of Christ) requires the Spirit, in my description on the difference between religion and Christianity(post#3) the second point is "you have to accept Christ as your personal saviour" When you do this, you have to make that personal commitment to Christ, His Ministry and to those who count on you. You receive the Spirit from the Lord because of that commitment you make ... He knows your heart, He knows your mind. I return He will either fill your soul or he won't. That's not up to us ... simply saying I'm a Christian doesn't make it so. That is my point.

As for this discussion the top piece in the quotation marks was the specific quote from jiggyfly's article. She was the one who stated religion was positive light for Christians, that starts the contradiction I was explaining to jiggyfly. The balance in that quote confirms she did mean what she said in the magenta part of the quote. Also in post #3 I stated what religions are ... man made belief structures. Jesus when he criticized beliefs of men Quoted Isaiah, Matthew15:7,8 & 9 pay particular attention to 9. No what I was saying was ... to repeat you (sorta)" there a great divide where former requires the Spirit. A religious person can not be a Christian in truth since their heart and mind are with their church and not with Christ.

Thank you Coconut your right we must talk more. Be well in the Will of the Lord
 
Re: Religion - But Not As We've Known It

"From there he (Abram) went on toward the hills east of Bethel and pitched his tent with Bethel on the west and Ai on the east. There he built an altar to the Lord and called on the name of the Lord."
(Gen 12:8)

The term "pitched his tent" means that Abram (Abraham) settled down with his wife and all his servants and their families, along with his flocks and herds (he was very prosperous). When he set up the altar and called on the name of the Lord, he was doing worship in an organized way, and I suspect that his wife Sarai and at least some of their servants and servants' families took part - an early form of organized religion.

I believe that, though his human faults are told openly in Scripture, Abraham walked with God out of a pure heart. His "organized religion", therefore, was accepted by God. The organized religion practiced by Noah and Abraham was pure. So, in my opinion, the concept of man made organized religion was not wrong at its inception and is not wrong now. What is wrong is the fact that organized religion has been altered and twisted in the ensuing generations so that in many churches it has indeed become the religion of SELF.

Jesus never said that the organized Jewish religion of his day was bad. What was bad was the way its leaders twisted and contorted it for their carnal purposes, just as many Christian (?) leaders twist and contort organized religion for their carnal purposes today.

SLE
 
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"From there he (Abram) went on toward the hills east of Bethel and pitched his tent with Bethel on the west and Ai on the east. There he built an altar to the Lord and called on the name of the Lord."
(Gen 12:8)

The term "pitched his tent" means that Abram (Abraham) settled down with his wife and all his servants and their families, along with his flocks and herds (he was very prosperous). When he set up the altar and called on the name of the Lord, he was doing worship in an organized way, and I suspect that his wife Sarai and at least some of their servants and servants' families took part - an early form of organized religion.

I believe that, though his human faults are told openly in Scripture, Abraham walked with God out of a pure heart. His "organized religion", therefore, was accepted by God. The organized religion practiced by Noah and Abraham was pure. So, in my opinion, the concept of man made organized religion was not wrong at its inception and is not wrong now. What is wrong is the fact that organized religion has been altered and twisted in the ensuing generations so that in many churches it has indeed become the religion of SELF.

Jesus never said that the organized Jewish religion of his day was bad. What was bad was the way its leaders twisted and contorted it for their carnal purposes, just as many Christian (?) leaders twist and contort organized religion for their carnal purposes today.

SLE

What of the lies Abraham told did God accept them as truth? I thought Abraham was righteous and accepted by God because of his faith. I also believe that if you will go back through the scriptures you will find that the only worship (organized or unorganized) God accepted was only the things that He instructed. Can there be a more clear picture of this drawn out by the old covenant scriptures? Look at Cain and Able, Aaron's sons, Eli's sons, Saul and even David. "Obedience is better than sacrifice"

Father is looking for those who will worship Him in their own concepts? No, "Father is looking for those who will worship Him in Spirit and in Truth".

I strongly disagree with you on this SLE, man-made organized religion has never or will ever be accepted by God because of it's origin. This is the same kind of reasoning that king Saul used in his dealing with the Amalekites (1Samuel 15). Do we do what God wants or do we do what the people want?
 
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