rhern53
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Regeneration in Matt 19 & Acts 1 are references to covenant promises God made to Abraham. A promise/covenant blessing of a savior, DONE! A land promise.
A partial list of Gods land covenant w/Israel: Jerusalem is a unique city, & is the "Capital of Israel" (Ps 87:1-2, Ps 132:13-14.
God established that the land of Israel belongs to Him (Lev 25:23, Deut 11:12.
God has placed His name in Jerusalem (II Chronicles 6:6, I Kings 9:3.
God established His covenant with Abraham & promises to bless those who bless Israel: (Gen 12:2-3, 13:14, 15:17-18.
God gives the exact boundaries of the promised land in Num 34:1-15 (also: Deut 1:8, Ex 2:24, Ex 6:4, 8 & Ps 105:8-11.
BTW:
King David "bought" the threshing floor (37 acre Temple Mt area) from Araunah the Jebusite. & built an altar to the Lord. So that a “plague may be held back from the people” (2 Sam 24:18, 21 & 1 Chron 21)
When Christ soon returns the gospel of the kingdom will be fulfilled, ending the time of the gentiles. The King is come from heaven to rule the world from Jerusalem.
John 14:3 - And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.
(NOTE: Pre-death, Jesus promises he will return. Question: Has Jesus came back yet?)
Matt 19:28 Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
(NOTE: Jesus promises Peter upon his return & during His rule from Jerusalem, Peter will be a judge)
Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
(NOTE: Lord, when will You restore again the kingdom to Israel? They understood/KNEW the promises God made to their forefather Abraham)
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons
(NOTE: Jesus said, the kingdom of Israel won't be revealed at this time)
Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
(NOTE: Immediately after the tribulation)
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory.
(NOTE: Immediately after the tribulation)
UPON HIS RETURN:
Zec 14:4 "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the south."
(NOTE: Mt Olive where Jesus prayed, ascended from & will retuen to! Jesus will physically STAND on Mt Olive)
Zec 14:
8 "And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be."
(NOTE: Former sea = Mediterranean sea, hinder sea = Dead sea)
9 "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth:
(NOTE: (Jesus, will be king over all the earth)
Isa 2:2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD’s house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted (that’s also the word the Bible uses for Christ’s position as King. He will be exalted) above the hills: and all nations shall flow unto it."
(NOTE: In OT translations the word kingdom & the word mountain are synonymous. So, His Kingdom rules over all the other kingdoms)
QUESTION: If there is only 1 resurrection on the last day. How would one explain the next 3 verses?
Zec 14:5 On that day His feet will stand on Mt Olive. The Mt will split in 2 from east to west. """Then the Lord your God will come, & all the saints with Him""".
Jude 14,15 Jesus Returns with Ten Thousand of His Saints
"""Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints""", To execute judgment upon all,
1 Thes 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, """at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints""".
NOTE: Zec say's; when Jesus returns & ALL the SAINTS are with HIM. Jude say's; Jesus returns WITH HIS SAINTS. That will execute judgment with Him. Paul say's; When Jesus returns to earth ALL HIS SAINTS are WITH HIM!
Another point related to earlier posts in this thread:
I believe scripture proclaims Jesus is the firstfruits of the resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:20-28, Jn11:25) Lazarus must have died physically again at some point. Elijah raised the woman's son from the dead (1 Ki 17:23). Each of these spreaks to a raising from the grave. Neither speaks of a resurrection unto life eternal.
2ndly: I would argue that those seen in (Matt 27:52-53) are a first fruits resurrection wave/offering (the forefathers/patriarchs?) unto the Father. They go with Jesus as He is watched ascending from Mt Olive (Acts 1:11).
I believe the Rev books are written in chronological order.
Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said," """Come up hither"""", and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter
(NOTE: I believe the come up hither/caught up together is the Rapture)
Rev 4:1 a door was opened in heaven:
1 Thes 4:16 the Lord himself shall descend from heaven
Rev 4:1 a trumpet talking with me
1 Thes 4:16 voice of the archangel, & with the trump of God
Rev 4:1 """come up hither""":
1 Thes 4:17 """"caught up together"""", & so shall we ever be with the Lord
Next Rev 4:10-11 before the tribulation & Christ's return. We see 24 elders in Heaven placing crowns before the Lord in worship.
28And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
(NOTE: The tribulation period is 7 years. Then Christ physically returns (in the clouds, all eyes will see Rev 1:7) King of kings Lord of lords. And begins 1000 yr REGENERATION PERIOD of ALL THINGS.
FINALL RESTORATION:
Isa 11:
1And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
(NOTE: Jesse was David's father & Christ comes thru this lineage)
4 with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5 righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
(NOTE: When in history did the leopard lie down with the kid, the calf and the young lion fatling together; lead by a child & the sucking child shall play/dangle his hand in a venomous snake den & when did the bear eat straw? Answer: Under Adams rule pre-fall & Christ will RESTORE all things)
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
(NOTE: Every eye will see Jesus return. Question: Has this happened yet!)
Dan 7:
13 (B) one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven
(NOTE: Has this happened yet!)
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
(NOTE: This hasn't/didn't happen after the destruction of the Temple in 70ad)
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A partial list of Gods land covenant w/Israel: Jerusalem is a unique city, & is the "Capital of Israel" (Ps 87:1-2, Ps 132:13-14.
God established that the land of Israel belongs to Him (Lev 25:23, Deut 11:12.
God has placed His name in Jerusalem (II Chronicles 6:6, I Kings 9:3.
God established His covenant with Abraham & promises to bless those who bless Israel: (Gen 12:2-3, 13:14, 15:17-18.
God gives the exact boundaries of the promised land in Num 34:1-15 (also: Deut 1:8, Ex 2:24, Ex 6:4, 8 & Ps 105:8-11.
BTW:
King David "bought" the threshing floor (37 acre Temple Mt area) from Araunah the Jebusite. & built an altar to the Lord. So that a “plague may be held back from the people” (2 Sam 24:18, 21 & 1 Chron 21)
When Christ soon returns the gospel of the kingdom will be fulfilled, ending the time of the gentiles. The King is come from heaven to rule the world from Jerusalem.
John 14:3 - And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, [there] ye may be also.
(NOTE: Pre-death, Jesus promises he will return. Question: Has Jesus came back yet?)
Matt 19:28 Jesus said, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
(NOTE: Jesus promises Peter upon his return & during His rule from Jerusalem, Peter will be a judge)
Acts 1:6 When they therefore were come together, they asked of him, saying, Lord, wilt thou at this time restore again the kingdom to Israel?
(NOTE: Lord, when will You restore again the kingdom to Israel? They understood/KNEW the promises God made to their forefather Abraham)
7 And he said unto them, It is not for you to know the times or the seasons
(NOTE: Jesus said, the kingdom of Israel won't be revealed at this time)
Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
(NOTE: Immediately after the tribulation)
Matthew 25:31 When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory.
(NOTE: Immediately after the tribulation)
UPON HIS RETURN:
Zec 14:4 "And his feet shall stand in that day upon the Mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the Mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the south."
(NOTE: Mt Olive where Jesus prayed, ascended from & will retuen to! Jesus will physically STAND on Mt Olive)
Zec 14:
8 "And it shall be in that day, that living waters shall go out from Jerusalem; half of them toward the former sea, and half of them toward the hinder sea: in summer and in winter shall it be."
(NOTE: Former sea = Mediterranean sea, hinder sea = Dead sea)
9 "And the LORD shall be king over all the earth:
(NOTE: (Jesus, will be king over all the earth)
Isa 2:2 "And it shall come to pass in the last days, that the mountain of the LORD’s house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted (that’s also the word the Bible uses for Christ’s position as King. He will be exalted) above the hills: and all nations shall flow unto it."
(NOTE: In OT translations the word kingdom & the word mountain are synonymous. So, His Kingdom rules over all the other kingdoms)
QUESTION: If there is only 1 resurrection on the last day. How would one explain the next 3 verses?
Zec 14:5 On that day His feet will stand on Mt Olive. The Mt will split in 2 from east to west. """Then the Lord your God will come, & all the saints with Him""".
Jude 14,15 Jesus Returns with Ten Thousand of His Saints
"""Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints""", To execute judgment upon all,
1 Thes 3:13 To the end he may stablish your hearts unblameable in holiness before God, even our Father, """at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints""".
NOTE: Zec say's; when Jesus returns & ALL the SAINTS are with HIM. Jude say's; Jesus returns WITH HIS SAINTS. That will execute judgment with Him. Paul say's; When Jesus returns to earth ALL HIS SAINTS are WITH HIM!
Another point related to earlier posts in this thread:
I believe scripture proclaims Jesus is the firstfruits of the resurrection (1 Corinthians 15:20-28, Jn11:25) Lazarus must have died physically again at some point. Elijah raised the woman's son from the dead (1 Ki 17:23). Each of these spreaks to a raising from the grave. Neither speaks of a resurrection unto life eternal.
2ndly: I would argue that those seen in (Matt 27:52-53) are a first fruits resurrection wave/offering (the forefathers/patriarchs?) unto the Father. They go with Jesus as He is watched ascending from Mt Olive (Acts 1:11).
I believe the Rev books are written in chronological order.
Rev 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said," """Come up hither"""", and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter
(NOTE: I believe the come up hither/caught up together is the Rapture)
Rev 4:1 a door was opened in heaven:
1 Thes 4:16 the Lord himself shall descend from heaven
Rev 4:1 a trumpet talking with me
1 Thes 4:16 voice of the archangel, & with the trump of God
Rev 4:1 """come up hither""":
1 Thes 4:17 """"caught up together"""", & so shall we ever be with the Lord
Next Rev 4:10-11 before the tribulation & Christ's return. We see 24 elders in Heaven placing crowns before the Lord in worship.
28And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.
(NOTE: The tribulation period is 7 years. Then Christ physically returns (in the clouds, all eyes will see Rev 1:7) King of kings Lord of lords. And begins 1000 yr REGENERATION PERIOD of ALL THINGS.
FINALL RESTORATION:
Isa 11:
1And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:
(NOTE: Jesse was David's father & Christ comes thru this lineage)
4 with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.
5 righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.
6 The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them.
7 And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox.
8 And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den.
(NOTE: When in history did the leopard lie down with the kid, the calf and the young lion fatling together; lead by a child & the sucking child shall play/dangle his hand in a venomous snake den & when did the bear eat straw? Answer: Under Adams rule pre-fall & Christ will RESTORE all things)
Rev 1:7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
(NOTE: Every eye will see Jesus return. Question: Has this happened yet!)
Dan 7:
13 (B) one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven
(NOTE: Has this happened yet!)
14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
(NOTE: This hasn't/didn't happen after the destruction of the Temple in 70ad)
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