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Redefining Salvation By Use of Romans 10: 13
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10: 13
This statement does not include many of the other teachings of Christ and Paul about salvation, many of which deal with the spiritual condition of the unsaved person, and of the changes which come about when the person takes on the mind of Christ.. Paul emphasizes in I Corinthians 2: 14 that the natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit.
But - because Romans 10: 13 does not include all the other doctrines of the NT on salvation does not mean it opposes these other doctrines.
Then in II Corinthians 5: 17 Paul teaches that "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus." Philippians 2: 5
"But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord." II Corinthians 3: 18
"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." Romans 12: 2
"Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:" Colossians 1: 13
"I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God....Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." John 3: 3, 5-7
There are scriptures which add understanding to the salvation process beyond it being a big change in a person, which can occur at one time, or go on over a period of time.
"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." Philippians 2: 12-13
Philippians 2: 12-13 would strongly imply that salvation involves more than following the Charles Finney Alter call. Nineteenth century revivalist Charles Finney began using the Alter Call, and later many evangelical preachers like Billy Graham popularized it after the period of about 1945 to 1950.
Romans 10: 13 can be more easily made into a doctrine of easy salvation than can John 3: 1-7, on being born again. Being born again has to be redefined to make it conform to easy salvation. Its called the New Birth in contemporary Christianity. The alter call and Romans 10: 13, without many of the other texts on salvation, can be made into a doctrine of salvation almost as by a procedure, a ritual.
Salvation can be something, as Paul implies in Philippians 2: 12-13, that goes on over time and is not just a one time emotional experience in the group dynamic setting of large congregation and evangelical preacher.
Then II Corinthians 13: 5 says "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" How do you know that you are in faith and that Christ is in you? If you are a new person, as II Corinthians 5: 17 talks about, a new creature, you can get some indication that you have undergone a real transformation in Christ.
In addition, Paul explains in II Thessalonians 2: 10-12 that "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
Having a new love for the truth of the Word of God and a new understanding of it can be two indications that one is in faith and in Christ and is not a reprobate, not still in the spiritual state of the natural man.
Scripture does not contradict itself, though some verses in the newer English versions have verse wordings so different from the older versions - the Tyndale, Geneva and King James - that the doctrines taught by these verses are changed in the new versions..
The basis of faith is that scripture is truth. II Timothy 2: 15 writes about "rightly dividing the word of truth." James 1: 18 says "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth..." John 17: 17 says " Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1: 1 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14: 6
Sanctification and salvation have been separated into two different concepts in man made theology, but they are not as completely separated in scripture - if salvation is understood to be the same thing as entering the Kingdom of God in John 3: 3 by being born again, or transformed.. Entering the Kingdom of God may have been redefined as being somehow different from salvation by man made theologies.
The word of God is absolute truth and fact. But the dialectic mind wants to compromise the truth of scripture, to make scripture seem to contradict itself, to compromise the absolute nature of scripture, to have it say yea and nay, for it to be ambiguous, to have loop holes, so man-made theologies can more easily be used to deceive people. Those who have the dialectic mind, which is an expression of the natural man, will argue against the absolute truth of the Word.
So Romans 10: 13 cannot be used to argue against many other texts on salvation because scripture does not oppose itself. If it appears to do so, it is the understanding of the one claiming it wars against itself that is lacking.
Paul says in II Corinthians 12: 20 "For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:"
Those who are still in the condition of the natural man and ague against the absolute truth of scripture cause divisions in the ekklesia, and the result of this is what Paul is talking about in saying he fears he might find the ekklesia at Corinth in debate, strife, backbiting, pride, anger, and tumults.
Paul in Romans 1: 28-30 lists eris, which is translated in the Tyndale, Geneva and King James as debate, as an expression of the reprobate mind. But following the Westcott-Hort led committee which produced the 1881 British Revised Version, eris was translated as strife, making a change in doctrine from the earlier English Bibles about Christians getting into debate or having quarrels. Almost all more recent English versions have stride instead of debate.
Paul in I Timothy 6: 3-5 says "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself."
Strifes of words is from logomachia, word fights. Those who teach contrary to the words of Christ are more likely to initiate word fights.
"Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;" Philippians 1: 27
"For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." Romans 10: 13
This statement does not include many of the other teachings of Christ and Paul about salvation, many of which deal with the spiritual condition of the unsaved person, and of the changes which come about when the person takes on the mind of Christ.. Paul emphasizes in I Corinthians 2: 14 that the natural man cannot receive the things of the Spirit.
But - because Romans 10: 13 does not include all the other doctrines of the NT on salvation does not mean it opposes these other doctrines.
Then in II Corinthians 5: 17 Paul teaches that "Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new."
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus." Philippians 2: 5
"But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord." II Corinthians 3: 18
"And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God." Romans 12: 2
"Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:" Colossians 1: 13
"I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God....Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again." John 3: 3, 5-7
There are scriptures which add understanding to the salvation process beyond it being a big change in a person, which can occur at one time, or go on over a period of time.
"Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure." Philippians 2: 12-13
Philippians 2: 12-13 would strongly imply that salvation involves more than following the Charles Finney Alter call. Nineteenth century revivalist Charles Finney began using the Alter Call, and later many evangelical preachers like Billy Graham popularized it after the period of about 1945 to 1950.
Romans 10: 13 can be more easily made into a doctrine of easy salvation than can John 3: 1-7, on being born again. Being born again has to be redefined to make it conform to easy salvation. Its called the New Birth in contemporary Christianity. The alter call and Romans 10: 13, without many of the other texts on salvation, can be made into a doctrine of salvation almost as by a procedure, a ritual.
Salvation can be something, as Paul implies in Philippians 2: 12-13, that goes on over time and is not just a one time emotional experience in the group dynamic setting of large congregation and evangelical preacher.
Then II Corinthians 13: 5 says "Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?" How do you know that you are in faith and that Christ is in you? If you are a new person, as II Corinthians 5: 17 talks about, a new creature, you can get some indication that you have undergone a real transformation in Christ.
In addition, Paul explains in II Thessalonians 2: 10-12 that "And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness."
Having a new love for the truth of the Word of God and a new understanding of it can be two indications that one is in faith and in Christ and is not a reprobate, not still in the spiritual state of the natural man.
Scripture does not contradict itself, though some verses in the newer English versions have verse wordings so different from the older versions - the Tyndale, Geneva and King James - that the doctrines taught by these verses are changed in the new versions..
The basis of faith is that scripture is truth. II Timothy 2: 15 writes about "rightly dividing the word of truth." James 1: 18 says "Of his own will begat he us with the word of truth..." John 17: 17 says " Sanctify them through thy truth: thy word is truth." "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 1: 1 "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 14: 6
Sanctification and salvation have been separated into two different concepts in man made theology, but they are not as completely separated in scripture - if salvation is understood to be the same thing as entering the Kingdom of God in John 3: 3 by being born again, or transformed.. Entering the Kingdom of God may have been redefined as being somehow different from salvation by man made theologies.
The word of God is absolute truth and fact. But the dialectic mind wants to compromise the truth of scripture, to make scripture seem to contradict itself, to compromise the absolute nature of scripture, to have it say yea and nay, for it to be ambiguous, to have loop holes, so man-made theologies can more easily be used to deceive people. Those who have the dialectic mind, which is an expression of the natural man, will argue against the absolute truth of the Word.
So Romans 10: 13 cannot be used to argue against many other texts on salvation because scripture does not oppose itself. If it appears to do so, it is the understanding of the one claiming it wars against itself that is lacking.
Paul says in II Corinthians 12: 20 "For I fear, lest, when I come, I shall not find you such as I would, and that I shall be found unto you such as ye would not: lest there be debates, envyings, wraths, strifes, backbitings, whisperings, swellings, tumults:"
Those who are still in the condition of the natural man and ague against the absolute truth of scripture cause divisions in the ekklesia, and the result of this is what Paul is talking about in saying he fears he might find the ekklesia at Corinth in debate, strife, backbiting, pride, anger, and tumults.
Paul in Romans 1: 28-30 lists eris, which is translated in the Tyndale, Geneva and King James as debate, as an expression of the reprobate mind. But following the Westcott-Hort led committee which produced the 1881 British Revised Version, eris was translated as strife, making a change in doctrine from the earlier English Bibles about Christians getting into debate or having quarrels. Almost all more recent English versions have stride instead of debate.
Paul in I Timothy 6: 3-5 says "If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings, Perverse disputings of men of corrupt minds, and destitute of the truth, supposing that gain is godliness: from such withdraw thyself."
Strifes of words is from logomachia, word fights. Those who teach contrary to the words of Christ are more likely to initiate word fights.
"Only let your conversation be as it becometh the gospel of Christ: that whether I come and see you, or else be absent, I may hear of your affairs, that ye stand fast in one spirit, with one mind striving together for the faith of the gospel;" Philippians 1: 27
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