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Question about the Book of Job

SaviorNChrist

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Ok, so I have finished reading the book of Job and I have a question that I am trying to find a good answer for my brother with what he's going through; a good man getting a divorce with kids involved.

I understand that Job's faith was tested by God by allowing Satan to interfer however, why would our LORD allow Satan to do such wicked things to one of the most devoted followers?

I know that his family ended up showing their true colors to the LORD and he ended up with everything better than before, but again, why?

In closing, just trying to find the right words/reasoning to "break it down" for my brother.

Thanks
 
Please take everything I say with a pinch of salt.

I really don't know but when I finished reading Job I came with the same questions.

In the end I had to come up with my own view of it. Part of me thought that God may have worked with Job as he did so it could be recorded and passed down. As an example of endurance in bad times leading to blessing (forget if you will for a moment that God let Satan in).

Job was almost perfect. As we all go through trials in our life the Lord pushes us. I believe he doesn't push us as far as we can't handle though. Personally I believe that this was the kind of push Job needed (to be inflicted with Satan) to strengthen his ways and faith because he was that righteous. Almost like the Lord had to give him an ultimate trial.

God's ways are not our ways and we need to put our faith in him. Job, although inflicted with Satan for so long pleased the Lord and his persistence was impressive through his trial. The end result was his great blessing.

As for what he lost, it's sad. I can't help knowing and feeling the pain of his loss. But then if the blessing is as high as the bible makes out then the reward was worth it (because of the truth in scripture). I'm not sure on what happened to the lost, the scripture from what I remember doesn't speak a grate deal so we can't read between the lines.

This is my understanding anyway but the Bible is a complex thing.

I'm sorry to hear about the break up. Life is so difficult at times and I can only offer to pray, which I will. So much in life is difficult and I will pray for relief and comfort for all in this situation.
 
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because he was self-righteuss - even he was very righteuss he wasnt perfect. he thought he knew everything.
so what i picked from job as for message is that Job also needs grace.
 
Think of the testimony Job had at the end.

Sure, he lost a lot, but he would have lost more if he did what his wife wanted and 'cursed God and die'. Instead, he said things like this:

Job 1:21
And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

Job gave us much to learn. Much to think about. God never said we wouldn't have trails and temptations, BUT he did said that we would have a way to get through them...even overcome them...HIM!
 
Job gave us much to learn. Much to think about. God never said we wouldn't have trails and temptations, BUT he did said that we would have a way to get through them...even overcome them...HIM!

Amen, His mercy and grace will see you through.

God Bless, Trish
 
It is not our's to always know why

Ok, so I have finished reading the book of Job and I have a question that I am trying to find a good answer for my brother with what he's going through; a good man getting a divorce with kids involved.

I understand that Job's faith was tested by God by allowing Satan to interfer however, why would our LORD allow Satan to do such wicked things to one of the most devoted followers?

I know that his family ended up showing their true colors to the LORD and he ended up with everything better than before, but again, why?

In closing, just trying to find the right words/reasoning to "break it down" for my brother.

Thanks

possibilities only:

to help Job stay humble even after "God gave him twice as much as he had before" except the same # of children.
'The Lord blessed the latter part of Job's life more than the first. He had fourteen thousand sheep, six thousand camels, a thousand yoke of oxen and a thousand donkeys. And he also had seven sons and three daughters.'

because his sons & daughters were evil, thus gave Job a second chance to raise Godly ones.

to test & increase Job's faith in God.
1 Peter 1:6-7 (NIV)
6 In this you greatly rejoice, though now for a little while you may have had to suffer grief in all kinds of trials.
7 These have come so that your faith— of greater worth than gold, which perishes even though refined by fire— may be proved genuine and may result in praise, glory and honour when Jesus Christ is revealed.

to remind Job that all good things come from God, NOT us.

&/or

because God knew Satan was going to torment a believer, better for it to be one firmly established in God.

There may be more possibilities than I thought of.

"part of Job 42:10" ; 'Job 42:12-13'
 
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We did a family study on the Book of Job and here is what we came up with-

God put this man of God on display for all to see what He could really do through a truly surrendered heart.


JOB'S TRAIL- GOD'S VICTORY
Job 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.
Job 1:7 And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence, comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro, in the earth, and from walking up and down, in it.
SATAN'S VISIT WAS NO SURPRISE AS HE IS THE ACCUSER OF THE BRETHREN
Rev 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
NEITHER WAS IT REALLY NECESSARY FOR GOD TO ASK WERE HE HAD JUST BEEN- INDEED THIS WAS A SETUP-
Isa 27:1 In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish, leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea.
A SETUP TO SILENCE THIS LOUDMOUTH LEVIATHAN OR CROOKED SERPENT-
1Pe 5:8 Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:
WHO UNDOUBTABLY WAS MAKING QUITE A SHOW IN FRONT OF GOD’S HOST-IT WAS TIME FOR HIM TO FALL
1Co 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;
GOD GOES FISHING-
Job 41:1 Canst thou draw out4900 leviathan3882 with a hook?2443 or his tongue3956 with a cord2256 which thou lettest down?8257
INDEED GOD LET SATAN RUN HIS MOUTH TO THE POINT THAT HIS PRIDE WAS FULLY EXPOSED- THE IT WAS TIME TO BAIT THE HOOK-
Job 1:8 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil?
JOB'S NAME LITERALLY MEANS he that weeps or cries THIS WAS A MAN CHOSEN BY GOD FOR A VERY SPECIAL PURPOSE MUCH LIKE THE APOSTLE PAUL -
Act 9:15 But the Lord said unto him, Go thy way: for he is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel:
Act 9:16 For will show him how great things he must1 suffer for my name's sake.
Job 1:9 Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, Doth Job fear God for naught?
Job 1:10 Hast not thou made a hedge about him, and about1 his house, and about all tha he hath on every side?thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land.
Job 1:11 But put forth thine hand now, and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face.
SATAN IS REALLY EXCITED NOW- HE'S REALLY GOT THE LORD RIGHT WERE HE WANTS HIM RIGHT? WRONG-
Job 1:20 Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved1 his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshiped,
Job 1:21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.
Job 1:22 In all3605 this2063 Job347 sinned2398 not,3808 nor3808 charged5414 God430 foolishly.8604
JOB PREFORMED HIS PROPER RITUAL , HE MOURNED AND GRIEVED - THEN HE WORSHIPED- WHAT A HEART AFTER GOD- WHAT WILL YOU DO IN THE TIME OF YOUR DEEPEST PAIN AND TESTING? WHAT WILL YOU DO IN A MINOR CRISIS? JOB WOULD INDEED BE TESTED IN MANY WAYS BUT HIS LOVE FOR GOD NEVER FALTERED- HOW ABOUT YOU- IS IT TIME TO TAKE A DIFFERENT APPROACH TO DEALING WITH LIVES TROUBLES? BLESSED BE THE NAME OF THE LORD- LET US WORSHIP OUR GOD!

Job 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.
Job 2:2 And the LORD said unto Satan, From whence comest thou? And Satan answered the LORD and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.
HERE HE COMES AGAIN- IS HE SMART ENOUGH TO LEARN FROM HIS LAST MISTAKE?
Job 2:3 And the LORD said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? and still he holdeth fast his integrity, although thou movedst me against him, to destroy him without cause.
SATAN EXUDES PRIDE BUT JOB EXUDES HUMILITY-
LIKE A PERCH THE DEVIL JUST CANNOT RESIST BITING ON THE SAME HOOK THAT HE WAS JUST SNAGGED ON-
Job 2:4 And Satan answered the LORD and said Skin for skin, yea, all that a man hath will he give for his life.
Job 2:5 But put forth thine hand now and touch his bone and his flesh and he will curse thee to thy face.
Job 2:6 And the LORD said unto Satan, Behold, he is in thine hand; but save his life.
Job 2:7 So went Satan forth from the presence of the LORD and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of his foot unto his crown.
Job 2:8 And he took him a potsherd to scrape himself withal; and he sat down among the ashes.
SATAN IS INDEED STEPPING UP THE PRESSURE FOR HE HAS ALREADY BEEN EMBARRASSED BY A MERE HUMAN ONCE ALREADY- BUT AS FOR JOB HE HAS BEEN HIT IN EVERY CONCEIVABLE AREA OF HIS LIFE WHAT ELSE COULD POSSIBLY BE USED AGAINST HIM?
Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die.
SATAN IS TRYING TO SOW DOUBT, UNBELIEF AND EVEN HATRED INTO JOB'S HEART- HE WILL USE ANY AND EVERY AVENUE TO GET HIS MESSAGE THRU , EVEN USING PEOPLE AROUND YOU TO DO HIS WORK- DON'T BE DISCOURAGED, DON'T GIVE UP!
 
Job 2:10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not3 Job sin with his lips.
JOB'S RESPONSE WAS THE ULTIMATE PICTURE OF HUMILITY , REVERENCE AND LOVE
Job 2:13 So they sat down with him upon the ground seven days and seven nights, and none spoke a word unto him: for they saw that his grief was very great.
JOB INDEED WAS LAMENTING HIS PAIN BUT NEVER HIS GOD. AS HIS FRIENDS APPROACHED WHAT DO YOU THINK THEIR PROPER RESPONSE SHOULD HAVE BEEN? -GOD'S WORD GIVES THIS ADVISE
Rom 12:15 Rejoice with them that do rejoice,5 and weep with them that weep.
Mat 5:4 Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be comforted.
A BROTHER IN THIS KIND OF PAIN SHOULD BE MET WITH AN HEART OF UNDERSTANDING AND WITH WORDS OF LIVE AND COMFORT- HOW DO YOU THINK HIS FRIENDS REACTED? THEIR LACK OF LOVE AND UNDERSTANDING BECOME MORE AN MORE APPARENT AS THEY TRY TO WEAR HIM DOWN INSTEAD OF BUILDING HIM UP- HOW WOULD YOU REACT? WILL YOU BE THE ONE WHO BRINGS HIS HEALING LOVE AND COMFORT OR WILL YOU BECOME RELIGIOUS AND JUDGMENTAL?
Job 3:20 Wherefore is light given to him that is in misery and life unto the bitter in soul;
Job 3:21 Which long for death, but it cometh not; and dig for it more than for hid treasures;
Job 3:22 Which rejoice exceedingly, and are glad, when they can find the grave?
HERE WAS A MAN WHO WAS PAST THE LIMITS OF HIS STRENGTH- WHY WAS LIGHT (ILLUMINATION, LIFE) GIVEN? NO MATTER HOW BAD IT GETS GOD'S GRACE AND MERCY ARE STRONGER STILL.
Job 7:17 What is man, that thou shouldest magnify him? and that thou shouldest set thine heart upon him?
Job 7:18 And that thou shouldest visit him every morning, and try him every moment?
WHAT IS MAN IN GOD'S SIGHT- HOW MUCH DOES HE CARE ABOUT YOU? HOW MUCH WOULD HE GIVE TO SAVE YOU AND BRING YOU BACK INTO FELLOWSHIP WITH YOU? THE ANSWER TO THIS QUESTION IS THE BASIS FOR OUR ENTIRE CHRISTIAN FAITH-
Joh 3:14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
Joh 3:15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal1 life.
Joh 3:16 For1 God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten3 Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not3 perish, but have everlasting life.
Joh 3:17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through1him846 might be saved.
WHAT IS MAN TO GOD- HE LOVES US ENOUGH TO PAY THE ULTIMATE PRICE FOR US- HE WOULD HOLD NOTHING BACK UNTIL HE COULD HOLD US CLOSE AGAIN!
 
I understand the trials we must endure and to seek God to rise above and beyond them, but one of the toughest questions I get asked is "If God is a loving God, then why is he allowing Satan to do this to Job just to prove a point?"

It is this question that I have difficulties answering.
 
Job 2:9 Then said his wife unto him, Dost thou still retain thine integrity? curse God, and die. 10 But he said unto her, Thou speakest as one of the foolish women speaketh. What? shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil? In all this did not Job sin with his lips.
 
I also read the book of Job and i also wondered how God can even speak to Satan. I would not like my God to speak to Satan. And fortunately the God of Light, and Love never did.!!! The answers follow. Job 42..JOb says.. "Therefore i have uttered that i understood not, things too wonderful for me, which i knew not. i have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye seeth thee. Wherefore i abhor myself, and repent in dust and ashes. .....
Job retracted all his words, even the ones that aving conversation with God, because God showed him..... and Job saw.... 2 Cor 6:14 & 15.
14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? <SUP>15</SUP>And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?
And i realised... Satan cannot enter into heaven, it is as impossibe for him to do it as it is for the darkness to penetrate light. And we know God is Light, and there is no darkness in Him, Satan would bring darkness in, so it just never happened. Job himself said he withdraw, retract everything and that God must teach him not the hearsay!
About the divorce, God gives permission for divorce on one account only... 1 Cor 7
15But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God hath called us to peace.

Two believers will never divorce, they are made one by God, an no man CAN seperate what God puts together. One has to be a unbeliever, and then the other one is not guilty of sin, but free! Beautiful God we serve, no sin in Him! NO Satan and no Darkness! May His will be done in our lives, Amen!
 
I understand the trials we must endure and to seek God to rise above and beyond them, but one of the toughest questions I get asked is "If God is a loving God, then why is he allowing Satan to do this to Job just to prove a point?"

It is this question that I have difficulties answering.
Rev 12:11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.

Heb 11:35 Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:


Well my friend I can only answer that according to my limited understanding but I will try.

In my opinion God does not look at our mortal lives in the same light we do. I believe we are here to serve Him and our lives are but the proving grounds were we decide if we really want to spend eternity with Him or not.
So we look at these bodies of earth as our everything but our Father knows they are but shells containing that which He holds precious.
We can see in scripture that Saints of God were gladly martyred for their Lord and it is but another crown we would have to lay at His feet. Our lives here are as dew on the moring grass- here today and gone tommorow.
Also the Holy Spirit leads us deeper into death to our self daily that we might know the life of Christ. Without such death there is no ressurection power.

I suspect if questioned Job would reply soemthing similar to that uttered by the three Hebrew boys as they faced the fiery furnace:
Dan 3:16 Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego, answered and said to the king, O Nebuchadnezzar, we are not careful to answer thee in this matter.
Dan 3:17 If it be so, our God whom we serve is able to deliver us from the burning fiery furnace, and he will deliver us out of thine hand, O king.
Dan 3:18 But if not, be it known unto thee, O king, that we will not serve thy gods, nor worship the golden image which thou hast set up.


So if my life brings glory to God then praise His Name. How He chooses to do this is up to Him as He is God and I will trust Him.
But these are just my opinions-
much love in Christ and many blessings, your brother Larry.
 
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Not just a loving God

I understand the trials we must endure and to seek God to rise above and beyond them, but one of the toughest questions I get asked is "If God is a loving God, then why is he allowing Satan to do this to Job just to prove a point?"

It is this question that I have difficulties answering.

God is sovereign, he does what please him.
Job 38:1-4
1. Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,
2. Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?
3. Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.
4. Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Job 40:2
2. Shall he that contendeth with the Almighty instruct him? he that reproveth God, let him answer it.
Rom 11:33-36
33. O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
34. For who hath known the mind of the Lord? or who hath been his counsellor?
35. Or who hath first given to him, and it shall be recompensed unto him again?
36. For of him, and through him, and to him, are all things: to whom be glory for ever. Amen.

God is also holy.
1 Pet 1:16
16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy.
 
In closing, just trying to find the right words/reasoning to "break it down" for my brother.

Thanks

In every situation it's different. Your brother needs to know from you is that you're praying for the reconciliation for his marriage.
His understanding of why this is happening may never come to him or it may. If he is a true believer he needs to cling to God for guidance and strength.
 
God looks for sincerity, and all things that come upon us are for our trial of this sincerity. It is the same faith or sincerity that God looked for in Abraham. Everyone says that they are faithful without trials, but who will be sincere when a real trial comes?
 
Do a search on this...

Job: When the Righteous Suffer - John Piper (Part 1)

...on you tube. You're post has got me looking at Job again, thank you
 
I'm coming into this a little late I know..

but for your brother and his situation (because he probably can't be rightly compared to Job, in so far as Jobs walk and overall life circumstances), and the practical side of life..

I have seen more times than not, that where a man finds himself in life.. with his wife/family/children.. are much about the choices he's made which brought him to where he finds himself at.
On the surface of this statement, that would seem obvious. Unless we begin to look at choices from outside our own understanding of them.
So often I meet guys and talk with them, who find themselves in circumstances just like your brothers.
And typically, it's because they haven't recognized what brought them there in the first place.

While we're young, we convince ourselves we're ontop of it all and we know the best route to go..
only to find ourselves years late in a position such as your brother finds himself in now.

I am assuming this of your brother of course, and I'm guess'n that I might be right.
The question(s) to be asked will help bring understanding to his situation today, as well as help in the future
not to make the same choices unknowingly of where the results will take him.

Job was a righteous man and made righteous choices through his life.
Your brothers marriage and choices which brought each other together, probably weren't as novel as Jobs.. like most of us today.

To compare our lives to Jobs, typically.., takes the focus off our choices and ...blames the devil instead.

He's in a tough place no doubt, and the kids are probably reeling inside about what's happening.

God is God.. may He be gracious in your brothers marriage and bring about reconciliation,

LoJ
 
I also read the book of Job and i also wondered how God can even speak to Satan. I would not like my God to speak to Satan. And fortunately the God of Light, and Love never did.!!


"One day the angels came to present themselves before the Lord and Satan also came with them. The Lord said to Satan, "Where have you come from?" (Job 1:6 NIV)

Are you saying that this verse is a fabrication, that God never communicates with Satan?

SLE
 
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