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Proclaiming the gospel, then and now

Evangelist-1

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In the NT period
, how was evangelizing done?
The gospel was preached by word of mouth.
And it seems this was usually (always?) accompanied by signs and wonders.

“And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them,
and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen.” (Mark 16:20)

“… (the gospel message) was confirmed to us by those who heard Him (Jesus),
God also bearing witness both with signs and wonders, with various miracles,
and gifts of the Holy Spirit, according to His own will” (Hebrews 2:3-4)


The new believers joined churches where they received more word-of-mouth training.

Today, how is evangelizing done?
The gospel is preached by word of mouth.
Pentecostals/Charismatics, here and abroad, do their best to preach the gospel with signs and wonders.

In these meetings, people don’t become believers by reading gospel tracts or NTs.
They respond to the spoken word and the confirming signs, as in NT times.
The new believers join churches where they receive more word-of-mouth training,
and also written materials, which help them grow.

Today, when evangelists preach the gospel …
how does them having the completed canon of Scripture change anything?
The preaching and the saving is all done verbally.

Why should evangelists no longer desire the benefit of confirming signs and wonders?

Why would the Lord want to change His tried-and-true method of evangelizing?

Those of you who are cessaniansts, please explain this to me. Thank you.
 

“And truly Jesus did many other
signs in the presence of His disciples,
which are not written in this book;
but these are written
that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ,
the Son of God, and that believing you may have life in His name.” (John 20:30-31)
 
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Hello Evangelist-1.

Your thread was easy to read and well presented, full marks
for presentation.

Cessationism is the view that the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit,
such as tongues, prophecy and healing, ceased being practiced early
on in Church history.


Me thinks the key verses that a cessationist would employ
to support the cessationism theology, would be as follows.


1 Corinthians 13:8-13
Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away;
if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away.
For we know in part and we prophesy in part; but when the perfect comes,
the partial will be done away. When I was a child, I used to speak like a child,
think like a child, reason like a child; when I became a man, I did away with
childish things
. For now we see in a mirror dimly, but then face to face; now
I know in part, but then I will know fully just as I also have been fully known.
But now faith, hope, love, abide these three; but the greatest of these is love.
 
Hello Evangelist-1.

Your thread was easy to read and well presented, full marks
for presentation.

Cessationism is the view that the miraculous gifts of the Holy Spirit,
such as tongues, prophecy and healing, ceased being practiced early
on in Church history.


Me thinks the key verses that a cessationist would employ
to support the cessationism theology, would be as follows.


1 Corinthians 13:8-13
Love never fails; but if there are gifts of prophecy, they will be done away;
if there are tongues, they will cease; if there is knowledge, it will be done away.
For we know in part and we prophesy in part; but when the perfect comes,
the partial will be done away.


There is no reference here as to when these things shall cease, so this scripture appears to be a slender reed for cessationism to lean on.

SLE
 
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Why should evangelists no longer desire the benefit of confirming signs and wonders?


Why would the Lord want to change His tried-and-true method of evangelizing?
Technically the scaffolding will only remain while the building is being built.

Perfection is better than repentance and health is preferable to healing.
Habakkuk 2:14 For the earth shall be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea.

Isaiah 59:19 So shall they fear the name of the LORD from the west, and his glory from the rising of the sun. When the enemy shall come in like a flood, the Spirit of the LORD shall lift up a standard against him.

There does seem to be cycles and patterns that may explain revivals that wax and wane and movements of increased understanding.


I know when they will cease for sure and that is when perfection has come to the whole world.
The word "miracle" would be erased forever also.

Until then the Lord will continue to confirm his word by any means he chooses.
 
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"Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel. He that believeth will be saved, he that believeth not will be lost"

"Go ye into all the world and preach the gospel, and these signs shall follow those who believe. In my Name they will cast out devils,
they shall speak with new tongues, ect. Mark 16: v 15-18.

There is no other way, but the way given by Jesus to His disciples. Not to adopt this cutting edge approach leads to decline and church
closure. This message preached with passion and the anointing of the Holy Spirit brings the blessing of the Lord God Almighty upon our lives....and all that is promised in scripture when such message is preached.

I can testify over years, to many wonderful things happening to men and women when the 'gospel' is preached.

Last June I myself was in need.......to begin at the beginning, it was in the year 2008 something came upon me which gave me serious concern. I knew this would worsen, and quality of life would deteriorate. I kept asking the Lord what He was going to do about it. His word says "I will put none of these diseases upon thee. Ex 15: 26.

The ministry of the Evangelist has been mentioned. Such ministry came to my church last June, a Pastor having such gifting and ministry, in the area of evangelism. He used Acts 1: 8 as a text. "You will receive power after the Holy Ghost is come upon you......." He questioned where the 'power' was today in our churches? He preached for an hour....a faith building message.

Then he prayed for everyone individually. He came to me. (You recall I had been asking the Lord) He looked at me and said 'God is going to heal your body' He put his handfs upon me.......and shouted 'Fire' I fell to the ground and stayed there for quite some time.

Over the next few days I became aware that the agrivation from my disease had quietened. Over the next months it dried up and was gone.

Hallelujah. There is no substitute for the gospel. It is the only message that brings Gods Salvation to men
 

In the NT period
, how was evangelizing done?
The gospel was preached by word of mouth.ancy
And it seems this was usually (always?) accompanied by signs and wonders.

“And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them,
and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen.” (Mark 16:20)


We've often seen the miraculous at my church, but we try to avoid the trap of expectation. We live in expectancy, knowing that God does these things, but we also understand that He decides where and when they occur.

SLE
 
Many thanks for all of your responses and testimonies!

Proof that cessationism has been false doctrine for 1700(?) years

Justin Martyr (a.d. 100-165) boasted to the Jewish Trypho "that the prophetic gifts remain with us" (Dialogue with Trypho, 82).

Irenaeus (a.d. 120-200) also bears witness to the presence of the gifts of the Spirit. He writes:
 "We have heard of many of the brethren who have foreknowledge of the future, visions, and prophetic utterances; others, by laying-on of hands, heal the sick and restore them to health" (Against Heresies, 2:32,4).
 "We hear of many members of the church who have prophetic gifts, and, by the Spirit speak with all kinds of tongues, and bring men's secret thoughts to light for their own good, and expound the mysteries of God" (Against Heresies, 5:6,1).
 "It is impossible to enumerate the charisms which throughout the world the church has received from God" (Against Heresies, 2:32,4).

Eusebius himself concludes that the charismata were all still in operation down to the time in which Irenaeus lived (Ecclesiastical History, 5:7,6).

Apollinarius is quoted by Eusebius as saying that "the prophetic gifts must continue in the church until the final coming, as the apostle insists" (EH, 5:16,7).

Epiphanius, perhaps the most vocal opponent of the Montanists, did not attack them because they practiced the gifts of the Spirit. Indeed, he declared that "the charism [of prophecy] is not inoperative in the church. Quite the opposite. . . . The holy church of God welcomes the same [charisms] as the Montanists, but ours are real charisms, authenticated for the church by the Holy Spirit" (Panarion, 48).

Augustine (354-430), early on espoused cessationism. However, in his later writings he retracted his denial of the ongoing reality of the miraculous and carefully documented no fewer than 70 instances of divine healing in his own diocese during a two-year span (see his City of God, Book XXII, chps. 8-10). See especially the articles by Richard Riss,
"Tongues and Other Miraculous Gifts in the Second Through Nineteenth Centuries," Basileia, 1985.

Charles Spurgeon is a case in point. This is taken from his autobiography:
“I could tell as many as a dozen similar cases in which I pointed at somebody in the hall without having the slightest knowledge of the person, or any idea that what I said was right, except that I believed I was moved by the Spirit to say it; and so striking has been my description, that the persons have gone away, and said to their friends, ‘Come, see a man that told me all things that ever I did; beyond a doubt, he must have been sent of God to my soul, or else he could not have described me so exactly.’ And not only so, but I have known many instances in which the thoughts of men have been revealed from the pulpit.”
(The Autobiography of Charles H. Spurgeon, [Curts & Jennings, 1899], Vol. II, pp. 226-227).

All of the above was taken from: Enjoying God Ministries, article: Gifts in church history

I put this in a special category ... it had a tremendous historical impact upon Christianity:
Constantine's army adopted the Christian cross (312 a.d.) because of
the vision he experienced … and the battles he won because of it.

Disasterously-ignored information is to be found in books on this subject (see Amazon).

I just read this testimony by Pilgram Marpeck, a South German Anabaptist leader in the 16th century,
of resurrections among those killed for confessing Jesus Christ:

"Many of them have remained constant, enduring tortures inflicted by sword, rope, fire and water and suffering terrible, tyrannical, unheard-of deaths and martyrdoms, all of which they could easily have avoided by recantation. Moreover one also marvels when he sees how the faithful God (who, after all, overflows with goodness) raises from the dead several such brothers and sisters of Christ after they were hanged, drowned, or killed in other ways. Even today, they are found alive and we can hear their own testimony... Cannot everyone who sees, even the blind, say with a good conscience that such things are a powerful, unusual, and miraculous act of God? Those who would deny it must be hardened men." You can doubt this account if you like, but this is exactly the attitude I would take and the proof I would offer to those who would doubt a resurrection I might witness. Even in Revelation when the saints are overcome by evil (Rev 13:7, Rev 11:7), when God's deliverance seems as far away as during Jesus' Passion, the saints are rewarded with resurrection (Rev 11:11).
 
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