Pleasing Dad

[Ophel]

Pleasing Dad

Romans 13:6-7 NLT
Pay your taxes, too, for these same reasons. For government workers need to be paid. They are serving God in what they do. Give to everyone what you owe them: Pay your taxes and government fees to those who collect them, and give respect and honor to those who are in authority.


As we pay our legitimate debts, such as taxes, and fees for necessary services, we fulfill the command to respect and love our fellow man in the Lord, and we set an example of good citizenship. Above all, we honour God by our adherence to His law for living. Paying my obligations is to be done, yes, but with a cheerful heart. How pleasant it is to know that God is pleased with us! It spurs us on to more and more righteousness—just as a little child is spurred on to more and more pleasing behaviour when he or she knows daddy is happy with him/her!

When we behave in these right ways, we please God, and move toward what is spoken in verse 8:
Owe nothing to anyone—except for your obligation to love one another. If you love your neighbor, you will fulfill the requirements of God’s law.

What freedom! Not owing any man, but rather indebted to love! All the requirements God gives us are summed up in this: Love your neighbour! Amen! It is so blessed to know that Father God is pleased with us! What peace and joy can surpass that knowledge?


Ophel
11/05/07

 

[jiggyfly]

Pleasing Dad

Romans 13:6-7 NLT
Pay your taxes, too, for these same reasons. For government workers need to be paid. They are serving God in what they do. Give to everyone what you owe them: Pay your taxes and government fees to those who collect them, and give respect and honor to those who are in authority.


As we pay our legitimate debts, such as taxes, and fees for necessary services, we fulfill the command to respect and love our fellow man in the Lord, and we set an example of good citizenship. Above all, we honour God by our adherence to His law for living. Paying my obligations is to be done, yes, but with a cheerful heart. How pleasant it is to know that God is pleased with us! It spurs us on to more and more righteousness—just as a little child is spurred on to more and more pleasing behaviour when he or she knows daddy is happy with him/her!

When we behave in these right ways, we please God, and move toward what is spoken in verse 8:
Owe nothing to anyone—except for your obligation to love one another. If you love your neighbor, you will fulfill the requirements of God’s law.

What freedom! Not owing any man, but rather indebted to love! All the requirements God gives us are summed up in this: Love your neighbour! Amen! It is so blessed to know that Father God is pleased with us! What peace and joy can surpass that knowledge?


Ophel
11/05/07

I'm all for paying my due share of taxes but "cheerfully" I don't see that in the scripture you quoted. Kinda hard to be
happy about such irresponsiblity.

 

[Ophel]

I'm all for paying my due share of taxes but "cheerfully" I don't see that in the scripture you quoted. Kinda hard to be
happy about such irresponsiblity.

Of course scripture tells us to give to God with a cheerful heart, but when we please God in anything, we will have a cheerful heart.

Irresponsibility isn't pleasing to God, is it? Can you explain what you mean?

 

[jiggyfly]

Of course scripture tells us to give to God with a cheerful heart, but when we please God in anything, we will have a cheerful heart.

Irresponsibility isn't pleasing to God, is it? Can you explain what you mean?

The government in USA are very irresponsible with the revenues generated by taxes. I pay my taxes but I am not happy about it and try to find a way to legally pay as little as possible.


As far as pleasing God goes, well we probably see things differently.

 

[Ophel]

The government in USA are very irresponsible with the revenues generated by taxes. I pay my taxes but I am not happy about it and try to find a way to legally pay as little as possible.


As far as pleasing God goes, well we probably see things differently.

I have offered a devotional. This is not a debate forum. The message I was given to share by Holy Spirit has no national or political overtones!

I think it is terribly discourteous to suggest that we as brethren cannot agree on what pleases God. We all know.

 

[jiggyfly]

I have offered a devotional. This is not a debate forum. The message I was given to share by Holy Spirit has no national or political overtones!

Not necessarily any political overtones but there was no mention of God wanting us to pay our taxes cheerfully in the scripture you quoted. while the scriptures do tell us that God loves a cheerful giver, there is a difference between giving and paying.

I think it is terribly discourteous to suggest that we as brethren cannot agree on what pleases God. We all know.

Well if this is true and you don't want to discuss it in this thread open a new thread and list what you think pleases God and we will see if we agree or not. Then if I need to apologize for being discourteous, as you call it, I will. That seems like a simple remedy to me.

 

[SpiritLedEd]

Mt 10:8 says, "Freely you have received, freely give. Paul's reference to God being pleased with cheerful giving (see 2 Cor 9:7) refers to voluntary giving only. It has nothing to do with tax bills.

SLE

 

[Ophel]

Not necessarily any political overtones but there was no mention of God wanting us to pay our taxes cheerfully in the scripture you quoted. while the scriptures do tell us that God loves a cheerful giver, there is a difference between giving and paying.

Absolutely. God loves a cheerful giver, which has nothing to do with obeying authorities. God is pleased with us when we obey authorities and respect them as placed by God.

Well if this is true and you don't want to discuss it in this thread open a new thread and list what you think pleases God and we will see if we agree or not. Then if I need to apologize for being discourteous, as you call it, I will. That seems like a simple remedy to me.

No. I am not opening this up to a debate. I simply wanted to share what the Lord spoke to me about Romans 13:6-7. Thanks.

 

[Ophel]

Mt 10:8 says, "Freely you have received, freely give. Paul's reference to God being pleased with cheerful giving (see 2 Cor 9:7) refers to voluntary giving only. It has nothing to do with tax bills.

SLE

Thank you for your contribution. God is pleased with His children without them having to do anything but believe in His Son. But it does please Him when we obey Him and that includes respecting authorities, which He has placed over us. He certainly is not pleased with those who call themselves Christians and welsh on debts or taxes.

 

[rizen1]

I was once told" you don't have to pay taxes ". If you take part of social security then you must. Some say it's a lie past on to generation to generation, others believe they don't want to be called " persons " ( body corporate ), but a human, so they go through a process of being an independent individual. Religious fanatics connect SSN with the mark of the beast and decide to be free of Government.

I'm not telling anyone not to pay taxes, but letting them know what others think.

It would be inconvenient living independently from the Government, but some express a feeling of freedom. These independents claim there are no laws requiring Americans to have a SSN, but there are laws on the usage, and laws to protect against discrimination towards those who do not use SSN. Why because your SSN is for social security purposes NOT for Identification.

Section 7 of Public Law 93-579 provides that:
(a)(1) It shall be unlawful for any Federal, State or local government agency to deny to any individual any
right, benefit, or privilege provided by law because of such individual's refusal to disclose his social security
account number.

You can refuse to give or permit the use of your SSN to your emplyer by writing. When the employer is filling out the IRS forms, in the space for your SSN, he puts Employer Refused to provide . In return he will be fined $50 which you would owe him ( lets be fair ). It might vary if your gross is over the 100,000.

42 USC Sec. 408 provides that:
“Whoever ... (8) discloses, uses, or compels the disclosure of the social security number of any person in
violation of the laws of the United States; shall be guilty of a felony and upon conviction thereof shall be fined
under title 18 or imprisoned for not more than five years, or both.”

See 26 USC §6109(a)(3), §6721(a)(2)(B), §6721(c)(1)(B), and §6724(a).

There's a lot of articles and research papers done on this topic so proper research on Law and the constition is needed before one tries to become a enumerated person.

Because this is not a popular route ( mostly taken by tin fold wearing conspiracist, and religious fanatics ) your employer may not be keen to it. Unless you provide the proper facts and legitimate reasons.

But I would challenge anyone to write a letter to Social Security and ask them the requirements and use of SSN, and if the SS Act states by law you must have a ssn to work.

Both links would refer you to IRS for tax questions. Then you ask where in the constitution does it states you are required and if they can point to a law.

Answer!!

Participating in the Social Security program.

 

[Ophel]

This thread is a devotional and it is not about how right or how wrong any government of any country is, or about US Social Security. It is about what God tells us in His Word---obey authorities, pay taxes!

Romans 13:6-7 NLT
Pay your taxes, too, for these same reasons. For government workers need to be paid. They are serving God in what they do. Give to everyone what you owe them: Pay your taxes and government fees to those who collect them, and give respect and honor to those who are in authority.

It is more about verse 8:

Owe nothing to anyone—except for your obligation to love one another. If you love your neighbor, you will fulfill the requirements of God’s law.

 

[rizen1]

This thread is a devotional and it is not about how right or how wrong any government of any country is, or about US Social Security. It is about what God tells us in His Word---obey authorities, pay taxes!

Romans 13:6-7 NLT
Pay your taxes, too, for these same reasons. For government workers need to be paid. They are serving God in what they do. Give to everyone what you owe them: Pay your taxes and government fees to those who collect them, and give respect and honor to those who are in authority.

It is more about verse 8:

Owe nothing to anyone—except for your obligation to love one another. If you love your neighbor, you will fulfill the requirements of God’s law.

This site is also about truth.

So if you believe that awareness and truth does not have place here let me know.

If you do not know the truth then how do you know what is entilted of you as a person. Also no one has yet to mention anything about how wrong a government or country is, not that I have noticed with mine eyes.

Your OP, is about paying taxes in obedience, and my response is about paying taxes and your responsibility of seeking truth on why you must pay.

Owe nothing to anyone—except for your obligation to love one another. If you love your neighbor, you will fulfill the requirements of God’s law.

You have to take something from someone to owe them, so yes if you take ss benefits you should pay for them in some manner. Many Christians have home mortgage, credit cards, student loans...all forms of owing.

Does that verse apply there ?

Romans 13:6-8 (New International Version)

6This is also why you pay taxes, for the authorities are God's servants, who give their full time to governing. 7Give everyone what you owe him: If you owe taxes, pay taxes; if revenue, then revenue; if respect, then respect; if honor, then honor.

Love, for the Day is Near

8Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for he who loves his fellowman has fulfilled the law.

"If" you owe taxes- the best way to find out if you owe is to ask authorities the requirements by law you are obliged to fullfil. If you find out you don't owe, woudn't it mean you don't have to pay.

V8, is showing us the only debt in the eyes of God that he finds acceptable is Love. There's no limitation when it comes to love.

For every purchase made you are taxed, so no one can say they don't pay taxes.

This thread is under devotions, and your devotion was obedience and taxes. In response I wanted to to add to both the obedience and on taxes.

 

[Ophel]

This thread is under devotions, and your devotion was obedience and taxes. In response I wanted to to add to both the obedience and on taxes.

Thank you.

 

[rizen1]

I wasn't trying to be rude, and apologize if it came off that way.

God bless.