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darc12

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I have so many questions in my mind it confused me and i want clear answers ,May God bless you all
the first one:
To be son is to be less than divine and to be divine is to be no one’s son. How could Jesus have the attributes of sonship and divinity altogether?
 
darc12, what are you referring to with this statement? (would make it clear if you provide scripture)

To be son is to be less than divine and to be divine is to be no one’s son.

How could Jesus have the attributes of sonship and divinity altogether?


Hebrews 3:6
But Christ (the Messiah) was faithful over His [own Father's] house as a Son [and Master of it]

Hebrews 5:5
So too Christ (the Messiah) did not exalt Himself to be made a high priest, but was appointed and exalted by Him Who said to Him, You are My Son; today I have begotten You;

John 1:14
And the Word (Christ) became flesh (human, incarnate) and tabernacled (fixed His tent of flesh, lived awhile) among us; and we [actually] saw His glory (His honor, His majesty), such glory as an only begotten son receives from his father, full of grace (favor, loving-kindness) and truth.

Romans 1:4
And [as to His divine nature] according to the Spirit of holiness was openly designated the Son of God in power [in a striking, triumphant and miraculous manner] by His resurrection from the dead, even Jesus Christ our Lord (the Messiah, the Anointed One).
 
I have so many questions in my mind it confused me and i want clear answers ,May God bless you all
the first one:
To be son is to be less than divine and to be divine is to be no one’s son. How could Jesus have the attributes of sonship and divinity altogether?

How did you come to believe that "To be son is to be less than divine and to be divine is to be no one’s son?"
 
How could Jesus have the attributes of sonship and divinity altogether?

1 Timothy 3:16 "God was manifested in the flesh"

Col 2:9 "Great indeed, we confess, is the mystery of godliness...in Christ the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily"

God (the Divine) is a Spirit...Jesus (the Son) enrobed the Spirit of God.

Hebrews 5:5 Christ ...appointed by him who said to him, "You are my Son, today I have begotten you"; (notice that does not say created)

Begotten of God (attributes of sonship)

John 1:18 No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

From the bosom of God (attributes of God)

Hopefully you find some clarity in these scriptures.
 
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This should also help you:

http://www.talkjesus.com/scriptural-bible-answers/14071-holy-spirit.html

(below is a copy/paste from another older post of mine regarding the Godhead = Father, Son, Holy Spirit. This is important to understand the Godhead)



Acts 5:30-32

30The God of our fathers raised Jesus from the dead—whom you had killed by hanging him on a tree. 31God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might give repentance and forgiveness of sins to Israel. 32We are witnesses of these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to those who obey him."

Acts 7:55-57
55But Stephen, full of the Holy Spirit, looked up to heaven and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing at the right hand of God. 56"Look," he said, "I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right hand of God."

Luke 22:69
But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God."

Mark 16:19
After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God.

Luke 22:69
But from now on, the Son of Man will be seated at the right hand of the mighty God."

Hebrews 12:2
Let us fix our eyes on Jesus, the author and perfecter of our faith, who for the joy set before him endured the cross, scorning its shame, and sat down at the right hand of the throne of God.

Genesis 1:26
Then God said, "Let us make man in our image, in our likeness, and let them rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air, over the livestock, over all the earth, [ Hebrew; Syriac all the wild animals ] and over all the creatures that move along the ground."

Trinity: Webster’s dictionary gives the following definition of trinity: “The union of three divine persons (or hypostases), the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, in one divinity, so that all the three are one God as to substance, but three Persons (or hypostases as to individuality).” Synonyms sometimes used are triunity, trine, triality. The term “trinity” is formed from “tri,” three, and “nity,” unity. Triunity is a better term than “trinity” because it better expresses the idea of three in one. God is three in one. Hypostases is the plural of hypostasis which means “the substance, the underlying reality, or essence.”

Tri-theism. This is the teaching that there are three Gods who are sometimes related, but only in a loose association. Such an approach, abandons the biblical oneness of God and the unity within the Trinity

1 Corinthians 8:4-6 “Therefore concerning the eating of things sacrificed to idols, we know that there is no such thing as an idol in the world, and that there is no God but one. For even if there are so-called gods whether in heaven or on earth, as indeed there are many gods and many lords, yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things, and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him.”

Ephesians 4:4-6There is one body and one Spirit, just as also you were called in one hope of your calling; one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all who is over all and through all and in all.”

James 2:19 “You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.”

There are many instances where God uses the plural pronoun to describe Himself (see Gen. 1:26; 3:22; 11:7; Isa. 6:8).

Several passages reveal a distinction of Persons within the Godhead.
  • In Psalm 110:1, David demonstrates there is a distinction of Persons between “LORD,” the one speaking, and the one addressed called by David, “my Lord.” David was indicating the Messiah was no ordinary king, but his own Lord, Adoni (my Lord), one who was God Himself. So God the first Person addresses God the second Person. This is precisely Peter’s point when He quotes this Psalm to show the resurrection of the Messiah was anticipated in the Old Testament.
  • The Redeemer (who must be divine, Isa. 7:14; 9:6) is distinguished from the Lord (Isa. 59:20).
  • The Lord is distinguished from the Lord in Hosea 1:6-7. The one speaking here is Yahweh, the Lord, yet, note the statement in verse 7, “I will have compassion … and deliver them by the Lord their God.”
  • The Spirit is distinguished from the Lord in a number of passages (Isa. 48:16; 59:21; 63:9-10).
(1) The Father is called God (John 6:27; 20:17; 1 Cor. 8:6; Gal. 1:1; Eph. 4:6; Phil. 2:11; 1 Pet. 1:2).

(2) Jesus Christ, the Son is declared to be God. His deity is proven by the divine names given to Him, by His works that only God could do (upholding all things, Col. 1:17; creation, Col. 1:16, John 1:3; and future judgment, John 5:27), by His divine attributes (eternality, John 17:5; omnipresence, Matt. 28:20; omnipotence, Heb. 1:3; omniscience, Matt. 9:4), and by explicit statements declaring His deity (John 1:1; 20:28; Titus 2:13; Heb. 1:8).

(3) The Holy Spirit is recognized as God. By comparing Peter’s comments in Acts 5:3 and 4, we see that in lying to the Holy Spirit (vs. 3), Ananias was lying to God (vs. 4). He has the attributes which only God can possess like omniscience (1 Cor. 2:10) and omnipresence (1 Cor. 6:19), and He regenerates people to new life (John 3:5-6, 8; Tit. 3:5), which must of necessity be a work of God for only God has the power of life. Finally, His deity is evident by the divine names used for the Spirit as “the Spirit of our God,” (1 Cor. 6:11), which should be understood as “the Spirit, who is our God.”

Ryrie writes: “Matthew 28:19 best states both the oneness and threeness by associating equally the three Persons and uniting them in one singular name. Other passages like Matthew 3:16-17 and 2 Corinthians 13:14 associate equally the three Persons but do not contain the strong emphasis on unity as does Matthew 28:19.”18

2 Cor. 13:14 The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit, be with you all.

1 Peter 1:1-5 Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who reside as aliens, scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, who are chosen 2 according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, by the sanctifying work of the Spirit, tat you may obey Jesus Christ and be sprinkled with His blood: May grace and peace be yours in fullest measure. 3 Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who according to His great mercy has caused us to be born again to a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead, 4 to obtain an inheritance which is imperishable and undefiled and will not fade away, reserved in heaven for you, 5 who are protected by the power of God through faith for a salvation ready to be revealed in the last time.

John 20:17
Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet returned to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am returning to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.' "

John 13:3
Jesus knew that the Father had put all things under his power, and that he had come from God and was returning to God.

Dictionary:

Gentiles
(Heb., usually in plural, goyim), meaning in general all nations except the Jews. In course of time, as the Jews began more and more to pride themselves on their peculiar privileges, it acquired unpleasant associations, and was used as a term of contempt.


In the New Testament the Greek word Hellenes, meaning literally Greek (as in Acts 16:1, 3; 18:17; Rom. 1:14), generally denotes any non-Jewish nation.
 
I have so many questions in my mind it confused me and i want clear answers ,May God bless you all
the first one:
To be son is to be less than divine and to be divine is to be no one’s son. How could Jesus have the attributes of sonship and divinity altogether?

Hello Brother

Good questions and valid without doubt. Folks here have taken the time to answer and point you to scripture which could help. I support them in the guidence they give.

But reading your O.P. I felt prompted to say to you "Seek Jesus"

When I met Jesus as a lad it was a simple thing to do, and I meant it when I asked Jesus to come into my heart. In later years when, still seeking Jesus I had a real encounter with Him.........After that.... if the bible had said that God made the moon of green cheese, I would have believed it.

Christianity is not about having an understanding of scripture. Making it all fit together........ Christianity is about having an experience of meeting Jesus, of whom the scripture speaks. Of knowing Him...."whom to know is life eternal"

In John ch 7 v 37 After all the fulfilling of Jewish ceremony, and Jewish O.T. Law. The bloodshed, as animals were sacrificed. People had laboured to exhaustion in order to satisfy a Holy God.

Jesus being present stood to his feet and cried out......"If any man thirst, let him come unto me and drink.........out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water" "this spake He of the spirit which they that believe on him should receive"

You say you have many questions in your mind......Just draw near in simple faith....Meet Him is what I communicate to you.....meet Him and His "rivers of living water"
 
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To be son is to be less than divine and to be divine is to be no one’s son. How could Jesus have the attributes of sonship and divinity altogether?

For this answer, go to Luke 1:35NIV - "The angel answered, 'The Holy Spirit will come upon you, and the power of the Most High will overshadow you. So the holy one to be born will be called the Son of God.'"

It's called the Immaculate Conception. Jesus, the Second Person of the Triune Godhead (the Blessed Trinity) took on human form, came to earth, and was born of a virgin through the power of the Holy Spirit. No sexual intercourse between a man and woman was involved. Thus, He is at the same time God and man.

You may get more clarification by studying Philippians 2:5-8NIV. I hope this helps.

Spirit Led Ed (SLE)
 
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Thank you all so much, May God bless you all.
the second Question:
Is God three-in-one and one in three simultaneously or one at a time?
 
Dear,
It's really logical once you think about it, just think about yourself, we are created on the image of God, examine yourself, you have a body, a soul and a spirt, right?

You are all of them, all of the time, and each attribute has its unique features.

Just like the Sun, It gives light, heat, and energy, it is all of them all the time, no part exists without the other, they all exists at the same time, each attribute fulfilling its role.
 
so i understand that God is one and three simultaneously, then none of the three could be the complete God. Granting that such was the case, then when Jesus was on earth, he wasn’t a complete God, nor was the "father in Heaven" a whole God. Doesn’t that contradict what Jesus always said about His God and our God in heaven, his Lord and our Lord ? Does that also mean that there was no complete god then, between the crucifixion and the resurrection?
and if If God is one and three at a time, then who was the God in heaven when Jesus was on earth? Wouldn’t this contradict his many references to a God in Heaven that sent him?
and If God is three and one at the same time, who was the God in Heaven within three days between the crucifixion and the claimed resurrect ion?
 
Thank you all so much, May God bless you all.
the second Question:
Is God three-in-one and one in three simultaneously or one at a time?


Hi darc, here is a thread for your reading


http://www.talkjesus.com/scriptural-bible-answers/11922-trinity.html

May I suggest you take your time and read the resources we have here specially "scriptural Bible answer forum" before asking. Most topics are covered there.

And of course you are welcome to quote and ask after reading.

God bless
 
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