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Loyal
Doesn't anybody find that its sad how so many Christians don't know the Word of God...don't know that its all for them..They compartmentalize it, saying, Oh that was for Abraham,,,Oh That was for the Old Covenant, Oh That has passed away.....and on and on...They don't realize that ALL of the Word is for them, but it is! Maybe its easier to disbelieve Gods Word, than it is to believe that they are worthy to receive it all...Maybe they find it easier to believe the enemy than it is to believe God? God tells us to trust Him, and not to do things by our own intellect.

Proverbs 3:5 (CJB)

5 Trust in Adonai with all your heart;
do not rely on your own understanding.

I wonder many times if the World is more powerful to them than the Word is....

This is where the great falling away is...Christians following the enemy rather than the truth....Jesus is the way the truth and the life...Follow after Jesus not some musical tongued preacher, or your own intellectual silliness, not vain empty philosophies, not fleshly desires for comfort or for social pressures. Follow the Word only!
 
Loyal
Proverbs 3:5 (CJB)

5 Trust in Adonai with all your heart;
do not rely on your own understanding.

I wonder many times if the World is more powerful to them than the Word is....

This is where the great falling away is...Christians following the enemy rather than the truth....Jesus is the way the truth and the life...Follow after Jesus not some musical tongued preacher, or your own intellectual silliness, not vain empty philosophies, not fleshly desires for comfort or for social pressures. Follow the Word only!
Amen! Thank you for sharing!
 
Loyal
Doesn't anybody find that its sad how so many Christians don't know the Word of God...don't know that its all for them..They compartmentalize it, saying, Oh that was for Abraham,,,Oh That was for the Old Covenant, Oh That has passed away.....and on and on...They don't realize that ALL of the Word is for them, but it is! Maybe its easier to disbelieve Gods Word, than it is to believe that they are worthy to receive it all...Maybe they find it easier to believe the enemy than it is to believe God? God tells us to trust Him, and not to do things by our own intellect.
"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the servant of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." 2 Tim. 3:16-17

"Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth." 2 Tim. 2:15

These two passages compliment each other. Although all scripture is God-breathed, and it is profitable (useful, beneficial) for the things listed here, we must rightly handle the word of truth, so that we make the appropriate application of its truths to our lives.

In other words, not everything in scripture specifically applies to our lives. Some words were spoken to specific individuals for a particular time in history and according to their peculiar circumstances, and these are not to be applied across the board to everyone. But, can we learn from them? YES! Are there biblical principles present in what is said? Most likely.

But, what about the Old Covenant? We are not under the Old Covenant, but is everything that was under there now done away with? No! Are all the Old Testament teachings null and void? Absolutely not! So, how do we know what applies to us? Well, for one the Spirit will give us insight into this, but it must fit with the New Covenant. For example, Paul addressed the situation where the Judaizers were trying to force Christians to follow Jewish customs, celebrations, traditions, and ceremonial laws. They told them that they (the males) had to be circumcised. But, they didn't. They didn't have to follow the ceremonial laws and traditions of the elders, either. In fact, they were told that trying to add that to grace was wrong.

The point is, not everything in the Bible applies to everyone, or not to all who believe in Jesus Christ. But, it is all beneficial for us, so we should read the Old and the New Testaments, for there is much to be learned in the Old Testament which does apply to us, if not literally, certainly in principle. A good rule of thumb might be to see if the same teaching is repeated by Jesus and by the NT apostles. That would help us to know what is New Covenant teaching. We also need to read in context, not only in the context of the passage, as a whole, but comparing scripture with scripture, and also in the context of history, pre-Jesus' death or post-Jesus' death, Old Covenant or New Covenant, the culture of that day, et al. For example, braided hair was a bad thing in that culture of that time, but it isn't in our culture, so we, thus, interpret that passage in principle, which has to do with dressing modestly, not flashy, humbly, and in a godly manner so as not to draw attention to our flesh, but to the Spirit within us.
 
Loyal
A good rule of thumb might be to see if the same teaching is repeated by Jesus and by the NT apostles.
Generally when a teaching changes, or stays the same... the Bible says so. For example...

Matt 5:38; "You have heard that it was said, 'AN EYE FOR AN EYE, AND A TOOTH FOR A TOOTH.'
Matt 5:39; "But I say to you, do not resist an evil person; but whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.

Matt 5:43; "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR and hate your enemy.'
Matt 5:44; "But I say to you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you,

Here are two teachings that changed almost 180 degrees. From hate your enemy, to love your enemy.
..and from an eye for an eye, to offer the other cheek also. These are dramatic changes in teaching.

On the other hand we also have teachings like...

Matt 5:27; "You have heard that it was said, 'YOU SHALL NOT COMMIT ADULTERY';
Matt 5:28; but I say to you that everyone who looks at a woman with lust for her has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
Matt 5:29; "If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Matt 5:30; "If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.

Not only did this teaching not really change, it got a little bit harder than it was before.

Matt 5:31; "It was said, 'WHOEVER SENDS HIS WIFE AWAY, LET HIM GIVE HER A CERTIFICATE OF DIVORCE';
Matt 5:32; but I say to you that everyone who divorces his wife, except for the reason of unchastity, makes her commit adultery; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.

It's the same here, in the OT, you could divorce a woman simply because she had some indecency (Deut 24:1; ) but in the NT, you can only divorce her
if she cheats on you.

There are dozens of passages like this. Another rule of thumb for me is... a doctrine needs to agree with all the scripture in that covenant.
If a specific doctrine (once saved-always saved for example) has several passage of scripture that specifically say it isn't right, you can't simply
just ignore them because you don't like them or have an answer for them.

For example, Paul addressed the situation where the Judaizers were trying to force Christians to follow Jewish customs, celebrations, traditions, and ceremonial laws. They told them that they (the males) had to be circumcised. But, they didn't
Exactly! In this case circumcision wasn't the covenant, it was a "sign" of the covenant. ( Gen 9:12; Gen 17:11; Rom 4:11; )

For example, braided hair was a bad thing in that culture of that time, but it isn't in our culture
While I don't think there is anything wrong with braided hair, I do think we need to be careful about saying "the culture of the times sets the standard for
what sin is". If that's the case, then adultery, fornication, and homosexuality aren't sin. Because our "culture" certainly accepts these things.
 
Loyal
Thanks folks...I posted the same thing on another forum and was met by hatred and vitriol....Even though I named nobody or judged anybody....I guess there are Christians and then there are Christians....I hope I wind up in the right group of Christians The ones who walk in Love...Jesus is Love.
 
Loyal
While I don't think there is anything wrong with braided hair, I do think we need to be careful about saying "the culture of the times sets the standard for
what sin is". If that's the case, then adultery, fornication, and homosexuality aren't sin. Because our "culture" certainly accepts these things.
Not saying that at all. This is what I said:

We also need to read in context, not only in the context of the passage, as a whole, but comparing scripture with scripture, and also in the context of history, pre-Jesus' death or post-Jesus' death, Old Covenant or New Covenant, the culture of that day, et al. For example, braided hair was a bad thing in that culture of that time, but it isn't in our culture, so we, thus, interpret that passage in principle, which has to do with dressing modestly, not flashy, humbly, and in a godly manner so as not to draw attention to our flesh, but to the Spirit within us.
We can't just interpret scripture in the context of culture. That would NOT be correctly or rightly handling the word of truth. But to ignore the fact that, in some cases, culture does play a role in the intended meaning of scripture, would be TO incorrectly handle the word of truth. So, is there something immoral about braided hair for women today? Why or why not? Was it for the women of that day and in that culture? Yes! It was! So, how do we interpret correctly such passages? We have to do what I suggested above. We have to read them in context. So, what is the context? That of humility and modesty and the inner beauty of a Christ-like life as opposed to a focus on outward appearance and attracting people to one's flesh.

This was good (not an endorsement of the author or agreement with 100% of what was said): Why does the Bible speak against braided hair?
 
Loyal
Thanks folks...I posted the same thing on another forum and was met by hatred and vitriol....Even though I named nobody or judged anybody....I guess there are Christians and then there are Christians....I hope I wind up in the right group of Christians The ones who walk in Love...Jesus is Love.
Amen! May we all walk in love... Jesus' love.
 
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The problem is believing the Word of God is not an easy task because it goes completely contrary to the carnal logical mind, that Paul says is at "enmity" against God. It is easy to understand logic because that is what we know the best, but when it comes to looking at the things not seen, or believing you have something before you can actually handle it goes against our physical senses, and mind. Spiritual weapons must used to pull down these castles, and fortress that have been built in the human brain that goes contrary against the "knowledge" of God. Only then will a born again Christian begin to understand the laws of the Kingdom of God in which he/she has been translated into. This takes work.

2Co 10:3 For though we walk (live) in the flesh, we are not carrying on our warfare according to the flesh and using mere human weapons.
2Co 10:4 For the weapons of our warfare are not physical [weapons of flesh and blood], but they are mighty before God for the overthrow and destruction of strongholds,
2Co 10:5 [Inasmuch as we] refute arguments and theories and reasonings and every proud and lofty thing that sets itself up against the [true] knowledge of God; and we lead every thought and purpose away captive into the obedience of Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One),
 
Loyal
The problem is believing the Word of God is not an easy task because it goes completely contrary to the carnal logical mind, that Paul says is at "enmity" against God. It is easy to understand logic because that is what we know the best, but when it comes to looking at the things not seen, or believing you have something before you can actually handle it goes against our physical senses, and mind. Spiritual weapons must used to pull down castles, and fortress that have been built in the human brain that goes contrary against the "knowledge" of God. Only then will a born again Christian begin to understand the laws of the Kingdom of God in which he/she has been translated into.

2Co 10:3 For though we walk (live) in the flesh, we are not carrying on our warfare according to the flesh and using mere human weapons.
2Co 10:4 For the weapons of our warfare are not physical [weapons of flesh and blood], but they are mighty before God for the overthrow and destruction of strongholds,
2Co 10:5 [Inasmuch as we] refute arguments and theories and reasonings and every proud and lofty thing that sets itself up against the [true] knowledge of God; and we lead every thought and purpose away captive into the obedience of Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One),
This is true Curtis...I've been saying for years that we cannot go by intellect...And there are many very smart people here but we're not smart enough to understand the ways of God well enough.. We NEED to follow His leading...like sheep following our Shepherd
 
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This is true Curtis...I've been saying for years that we cannot go by intellect...And there are many very smart people here but we're not smart enough to understand the ways of God well enough.. We NEED to follow His leading...like sheep following our Shepherd
I agree!!! The knowledge of God is just that, the "knowledge" that comes from God, not from our logical analytical thinking in trying to figure it out on our own. Fellowship with God in his kingdom before him is where we find the knowledge of God as he reveals it to us.
 
Loyal
Not saying that at all. This is what I said:



We can't just interpret scripture in the context of culture. That would NOT be correctly or rightly handling the word of truth. But to ignore the fact that, in some cases, culture does play a role in the intended meaning of scripture, would be TO incorrectly handle the word of truth. So, is there something immoral about braided hair for women today? Why or why not? Was it for the women of that day and in that culture? Yes! It was! So, how do we interpret correctly such passages? We have to do what I suggested above. We have to read them in context. So, what is the context? That of humility and modesty and the inner beauty of a Christ-like life as opposed to a focus on outward appearance and attracting people to one's flesh.

This was good (not an endorsement of the author or agreement with 100% of what was said): Why does the Bible speak against braided hair?
When I was a new Christian I thought it was a sin to drink alcohol...Then we moved to Canada and one of the first things I noticed about Christians up here is they drank beer. OH Horrors! I had to sit and ponder this...Christians drinking alcohol...Then God showed me...1 Its not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man....Matthew 15:11... Drinking alcohol can be a cultural thing...God does not say "No alcohol!" He says "....In moderation..." And that applies to most things. "All things are lawful to me....Not all things are expedient...."
 
Loyal
This is true Curtis...I've been saying for years that we cannot go by intellect...And there are many very smart people here but we're not smart enough to understand the ways of God well enough.. We NEED to follow His leading...like sheep following our Shepherd
Amen! Absolutely!
 
Loyal
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When I was a new Christian I thought it was a sin to drink alcohol...Then we moved to Canada and one of the first things I noticed about Christians up here is they drank beer. OH Horrors! I had to sit and ponder this...Christians drinking alcohol...Then God showed me...1 Its not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man....Matthew 15:11... Drinking alcohol can be a cultural thing...God does not say "No alcohol!" He says "....In moderation..." And that applies to most things. "All things are lawful to me....Not all things are expedient...."
I my self do not believe that drinking beer to be bad. I don't drink only because I do not want to offend any brother who thinks it is bad. I abstain from any appearance of evil, even though I do not consider it evil.
 
Loyal
I my self do not believe that drinking beer to be bad. I don't drink only because I do not want to offend any brother who thinks it is bad. I want abstain from any appearance of evil, even though I do not consider it evil.
I myself do not believe that drinking beer is bad...I gave up drinking as a wedding present to my Lady. If I was ever to take that gift back.....What would that say to her? I used to start drinking at about seven AM and would drink about two fifths a day on the average, not even getting a buzz...I can see why that would bother her. Not to mention the cost. LOL
 
Loyal
When I was a new Christian I thought it was a sin to drink alcohol...Then we moved to Canada and one of the first things I noticed about Christians up here is they drank beer. OH Horrors! I had to sit and ponder this...Christians drinking alcohol...Then God showed me...1 Its not what goes into the mouth that defiles a man....Matthew 15:11... Drinking alcohol can be a cultural thing...God does not say "No alcohol!" He says "....In moderation..." And that applies to most things. "All things are lawful to me....Not all things are expedient...."
We are not to get drunk on wine, but we are to be filled with the Holy Spirit. One of the characteristic traits of the fruit of the Spirit is self-control. Getting drunk is the opposite of self-control. The Bible does not prohibit the drinking of wine, but the getting drunk with wine (fermented). "Drunk" may be up to interpretation, but if you drink any amount of something and it causes you to not be in control, then that is bad, for the drink takes control rather than the Spirit of God. We need to always be to the point to where we are under the influence of the Spirit and not something else. Even some prescription medications can mimic getting drunk, and can cause one to not be in complete control of his or her mental faculties. Caffeine can be a problem, too.
 
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Doesn't anybody find that its sad how so many Christians don't know the Word of God...don't know that its all for them..They compartmentalize it, saying, Oh that was for Abraham,,,Oh That was for the Old Covenant, Oh That has passed away.....and on and on...They don't realize that ALL of the Word is for them, but it is! Maybe its easier to disbelieve Gods Word, than it is to believe that they are worthy to receive it all...Maybe they find it easier to believe the enemy than it is to believe God? God tells us to trust Him, and not to do things by our own intellect.

Proverbs 3:5 (CJB)

5 Trust in Adonai with all your heart;
do not rely on your own understanding.

I wonder many times if the World is more powerful to them than the Word is....

This is where the great falling away is...Christians following the enemy rather than the truth....Jesus is the way the truth and the life...Follow after Jesus not some musical tongued preacher, or your own intellectual silliness, not vain empty philosophies, not fleshly desires for comfort or for social pressures. Follow the Word only!
If God is the only one we should listen too, why should anyone listen to you, me, her or them.
 
Loyal
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Getting a "buzz" on alcohol is the counterfeit to getting buzz on the Holy Spirit. They both make you bold, and make you say things you probably would never say with either stimulant, but the holy Spirit high never wears off, and only speaks good things that are worth hearing. :smile:
 
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If God is the only one we should listen too, why should anyone listen to you, me, her or them.
That is because not only does the Lord God speak directly to people, he also speaks through people.
 
Loyal
The whole of scripture is full of rich things from God. But do I understand them all? No, certainly not but I hope that I am growing in the right direction. If our days are filled with consuming a continuous flow of garbage with little of no consumption of the Word of God, what would we expect? What should we expect?

The following OT verse speaks loudly as to what is to be had if we understand what God is saying to us, but too many Christians do not even have a clue. Help us dear Lord!

Moreover the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days, in the day that the LORD bindeth up the breach of his people, and healeth the stroke of their wound." Isaiah 30:26

The fall back or excuse for some may be these verses, but for us who are to be led by the Holy Ghost it should be an incentive want to move closer to Him in order to see Him more clearly and to understand His Way better.

"For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts." Isaiah 55:8-9
 
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