Only One Way to Worship Him Or Else

[GodB4Us]

Scipture testifies to those seeking the rapture but will find they are unable to enter in.

Luke 13:24 Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. 25 When once the master of the house is risen up, and hath shut to the door, and ye begin to stand without, and to knock at the door, saying, Lord, Lord, open unto us; and he shall answer and say unto you, I know you not whence ye are: 26 Then shall ye begin to say, We have eaten and drunk in thy presence, and thou hast taught in our streets. 27 But he shall say, I tell you, I know you not whence ye are; depart from me, all ye workers of iniquity. 28 There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out. 29 And they shall come from the east, and from the west, and from the north, and from the south, and shall sit down in the kingdom of God. 30 And, behold, there are last which shall be first, and there are first which shall be last.

See that bold underlined portions of scripture. The iniquity is by the direction they took in coming to God the Father by.

I believe the ecumenical modified creed of 381 A.D. broadened the way by including the worship of the Holy Spirit with the Father & the Son as that is the work if iniquity that the Bridegroom can judge believers by for doing that.

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

So when they come to the Father by worshiping the Trinity or sometimes it is just the Holy Spirit in honoring Him in worship, they are not honoring the Father by His will of only honoring the Son in worship in coming to the Father by. There is no other way to approach God the Father by.

What happens when focus is shifted away from the Son to the Spirit? By that work of iniquity, God will permit strong delusion to occurs as "thieves" will break in and seduce wayward believers into chasing after them to receive what they believe is the holy Spirit for a sign. Miracles can happen for why in those miraculous events, believers lose self control and fall backwards like "slain in the spirit", "holy laughter movement" or having another baptism with the Holy Ghost by that sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation thus one of confusion also which God is not the author of.

Not that these phenomenon will always happen, but it is why it is happening across the denominations.

Believers and churches need to depart from that iniquity by striving to enter through that straight gate in worship, prayer, and fellowship in coming to God the Father by for anything or risk being left behind at the rapture event for taking a different route in coming to God the Father by.

 

[Waggles]

What happens when focus is shifted away from the Son to the Spirit?

But the narrow way to salvation is only by being led by the Holy Spirit and to walk in the power of the Spirit of God.

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by God’s Spirit, these are God’s sons.

Galatians 5:24 And they of Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with the passions and the lusts.
25 If we live by the Spirit, by the Spirit let us also walk.

 

[Waggles]

Miracles can happen for why in those miraculous events, believers lose self control and fall backwards like "slain in the spirit", "holy laughter movement" or having another baptism with the Holy Ghost by that sign of tongues which never comes with interpretation thus one of confusion also which God is not the author of.

Oh now I see another attack on Charismatic and Pentecostal faith and doctrine.
This is getting so very boring here on TJ.

 

[GodB4Us]

But the narrow way to salvation is only by being led by the Holy Spirit and to walk in the power of the Spirit of God.

Romans 8:14 For as many as are led by God’s Spirit, these are God’s sons.

Galatians 5:24 And they of Christ Jesus have crucified the flesh with the passions and the lusts.
25 If we live by the Spirit, by the Spirit let us also walk.

Those led by the indwelling Spirit would be going to the Bridegroom in living that reconciled relationship with God the Father.

Those led by seducing spirits by their visitations, will lure believers to chase after them, thinking they are the Holy Spirit to receive after a sign again and again and again. That is what the spirits of the antichrist does, as in "instead of Christ".

 

[GodB4Us]

Oh now I see another attack on Charismatic and Pentecostal faith and doctrine.
This is getting so very boring here on TJ.

Actually, this apostasy is abounding in Catholics and Protestant Churches also, as gathering grapes of thorns and figs of thistles, hence ecumenical in nature, thus the fruit of the false prophet. Matthew 7:15-16

Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? KJV

HOLY LAUGHTER: Bringing Revival To The Church?

" "It's not confined to any one denomination or any one person,"says Sandy Miller, Vicar of Holy Trinity. "Quite the reverse. It's happening across the board-free churches, house churches, Church of England, established churches, all over the place." ~~ end of quote

The movement sure fooled the 700 Club.

The irony is how this pastor called it the Great Awakening below in that video like that pastor said about Khundalini being an awakening in the video above.

So I am not picking on Pentecostals/Charismatics as I am about how those phenomenon comes about in all the churches when the focus is on the Holy Spirit.

They want to testify to changed lives, but what has changed for the Catholic Charismatic churches when they are still Catholics? I can see the only change they are talking about is the change that is also seen in Khundalini.

Remember the healing? I have seen where they cast out devils too. And they prophesy and all those other works, but guess what? Jesus says this for taking your eyes off of Him.

Matthew 7:13 Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat: 14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.

21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? 23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

24 Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock: 25 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.

26 And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand: 27 And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

By His grace, I am against putting the spotlight on the "Holy Spirit" when the indwelling Holy Spirit would lead believers to keep the spotlight & focus on the Son in worship, prayer, & fellowship, because the Bridegroom will be coming soon.

 

[Waggles]

Me thinks you are throwing out the baby with the bath water.

 

[complete]

'Howbeit when He, the Spirit of truth, is come,
He will guide you into all truth: for
He shall not speak of Himself;
.. but whatsoever He shall hear,
.... that shall He speak:
...... and He will shew you things to come.
He shall glorify Me:
.. for He shall receive of mine,
.... and shall shew it unto you.
All things that the Father hath are mine:
.. therefore said I,
.... that He shall take of mine,
...... and shall shew it unto you.'
(John 16:13-15)

Hello @GodB4Us,

The Divine purpose of the Holy Spirit is revealed in the verses above.

The Lord Jesus Christ in John 16, spoke to the twelve, prior to His leaving them to return to the Father. He told them that the Holy Spirit would bring to their remembrance what they had heard from the Lord while He was yet with them, and He would teach them all things.

'These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost,
Whom the Father will send in My name,
He shall teach you all things,
and bring all things to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have said unto you.'
(Joh 14:25-26)

* The Holy Spirit does not speak of Himself: His purpose is to glorify Christ.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

 

[complete]

'For through Him (ie., Christ Jesus our risen Lord and Saviour)
we both (ie., Jew and Gentile)
have access,
by one Spirit
unto the Father.'
(Eph 2:18)

Through Christ, we have access by the Holy Spirit, unto the Father.

 

[complete]

'Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth,
but that which is good to the use of edifying,
that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,
whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger,
and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another,
even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.'
(Eph 4:29-32)

* Corrupt communication, bitterness, wrath and anger, clamour, evil speaking and malice, all grieve the Holy Spirit of God.
'( For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth )' (Eph 5:9)

 

[complete]

' But the hour cometh, and now is,
when the true worshippers
shall worship the Father
in spirit and in truth:
for the Father seeketh such to worship Him.
God is a Spirit:
and they that worship Him
must worship Him in spirit and in truth.'
(Joh 4:23)

 

[GodB4Us]

Me thinks you are throwing out the baby with the bath water.

Well since we are using metaphor, it is more like the baby is still pointing us to go to the Son even after salvation because He is the only way in coming to God the Father by in worship, prayer, & fellowship.

The spirits of the antichrist which antichrist as used in scripture means "instead of Christ" or to be more precise "instead of the Son" will be doing that to believers tempting them to move away from their rest in Jesus Christ in chasing after them for a sign.

The real indwelling Holy Spirit would never do that.

 

[GodB4Us]

' But the hour cometh, and now is,
when the true worshippers
shall worship the Father
in spirit and in truth:
for the Father seeketh such to worship Him.
God is a Spirit:
and they that worship Him
must worship Him in spirit and in truth.'
(Joh 4:23)

So those born again of the Spirit are worshiping Him In spirit & IN truth whereas those who move away from their resting place in Jesus Christ in seeking to receive the holy Spirit again in worship, even after the second blessings, are not worshiping God IN spirit and IN truth but OUT of the spirit and apart from the truth.

Since the only way to come to God the Father is by the only way of the Son John 14:6 and not by the way of the Spirit ( John 10:1 ) les they wind up following the voice of strangers' hence tongues for private use ( John 10:5 ); and the only way to honor the Father is by only honoring the Son because once they stop honoring the Son, they are no longer honoring the Father, then honoring the Holy Spirit is not another option for honoring the Father by. John 5:22-23

John 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

John 10:1Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son: 23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father. He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

The real indwelling Holy Spirit will always keep the spotlight on the Son in worship. & is still pointing us to go to the Son even after salvation because He is the only way in coming to God the Father by in worship, prayer, & fellowship.

The spirits of the antichrist which antichrist as used in scripture means "instead of Christ" or to be more precise "instead of the Son" will be doing that to believers tempting them to move away from their rest in Jesus Christ in chasing after them for a sign.

The real indwelling Holy Spirit would never do that.

Thank you for sharing.

 

[Samson2020]

This is getting so very boring here on TJ.

Busy work trying to teach but the students believe they are the teachers so nobody listens, just want to be heard.

PS I went to see the Pastor Rodney H Brown down in Ft Worth many years ago, and I must admit, although he did not speak much at all I was laid out on the floor without a finger being
laid on me. Not sure how or why this is a thing but in retrospect I realized he had a seminary and was selling the Bible like the rest for profit. Think we all know thats not right.

But others will come with great signs and wonders and would fool even the very elect if it were possible.

 

[Curtis]

So those born again of the Spirit are worshiping Him In spirit & IN truth whereas those who move away from their resting place in Jesus Christ in seeking to receive the holy Spirit again in worship, even after the second blessings, are not worshiping God IN spirit and IN truth

So are you saying Jesus did not know his Father as he himself was "born of the Spirit" yet he also received the Holy Spirit "again" at his baptism?

 

[Curtis]

By His grace, I am against putting the spotlight on the "Holy Spirit" when the indwelling Holy Spirit would lead believers to keep the spotlight & focus on the Son in worship, prayer, & fellowship,

Luk_11:13 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?

How can anyone receive anything without first asking for it? You have not because you ask not.

 

[Curtis]

Act 19:2 The first thing he asked them was “Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you became believers?” “No,” they replied. “We’ve not even heard of a holy spirit.”
Act 19:3 Paul asked, “Then what was the meaning of your baptism?” They responded, “It meant that we would follow John’s teaching.”
Act 19:4 Paul said, “John’s baptism was for those who were turning from their sins, and he taught you to believe in and follow the one who was coming after him: Jesus the Anointed One.”
Act 19:5 When they understood this, they were baptized into the authority of Jesus, the Anointed One.
Act 19:6 (6-7) And when Paul laid his hands on each of the twelve, the Holy Spirit manifested and they immediately spoke in tongues and prophesied. (TPT)

 

[GodB4Us]

'Let no corrupt communication proceed out of your mouth,
but that which is good to the use of edifying,
that it may minister grace unto the hearers.
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God,
whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.
Let all bitterness, and wrath, and anger,
and clamour, and evil speaking, be put away from you, with all malice:
And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one another,
even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you.'
(Eph 4:29-32)

* Corrupt communication, bitterness, wrath and anger, clamour, evil speaking and malice, all grieve the Holy Spirit of God.
'( For the fruit of the Spirit is in all goodness and righteousness and truth )' (Eph 5:9)

@Andrew Qvist

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.


This is the role of the Holy Ghost to testify and thereby glorify Jesus Christ; and how does He do that? Through us. And that also includes through worship.

The Holy Spirit will not lead believers to testify of Himself in seeking His own glory for that would make the Holy Spirit a false witness just as we would be of we testify of ourselves in seeking our own glory.

Proverbs 27: 2 Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.

John 5: 31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

John 7: 18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

So the Holy Spirit will not testify of Himself when He has been sent to testify of the Son through us. Those who testify of the Spirit in seeking His glory by honoring the Holy Spirit in worship are not being led by the Holy Spirit to do that.

 

[PloughBoy]

@Andrew Qvist

John 15:26 But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me: 27 And ye also shall bear witness, because ye have been with me from the beginning.

John 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come. 14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you. 15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.


This is the role of the Holy Ghost to testify and thereby glorify Jesus Christ; and how does He do that? Through us. And that also includes through worship.

The Holy Spirit will not lead believers to testify of Himself in seeking His own glory for that would make the Holy Spirit a false witness just as we would be of we testify of ourselves in seeking our own glory.

Proverbs 27: 2 Let another man praise thee, and not thine own mouth; a stranger, and not thine own lips.

John 5: 31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.

John 7: 18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory: but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true, and no unrighteousness is in him.

So the Holy Spirit will not testify of Himself when He has been sent to testify of the Son through us. Those who testify of the Spirit in seeking His glory by honoring the Holy Spirit in worship are not being led by the Holy Spirit to do that.

Would that be “including witnessing and proclaiming the Gospel of Christ in The Flesh”

 

[GodB4Us]

Would that be “including witnessing and proclaiming the Gospel of Christ in The Flesh”

Not sure what you mean. Jesus Christ leads us through the Holy Spirit in us in ministry in proclaiming the Good News of Christ to men as the Son is the Head of the Church and the body.

 

[PloughBoy]

Never mind then.

Not sure what you mean. Jesus Christ leads us through the Holy Spirit in us in ministry in proclaiming the Good News of Christ to men as the Son is the Head of the Church and the body.

Never mind then.