Omniscient

[Brad Huber]

Everyone in the christian community likes to talk about the Omniscient Lord Jesus. If this is true, that while on earth, He was fully God, and yet He did not know the date the end would come, and that only the Father knew? How does that stack up to being Omniscient.

 

[Admon Mikha'el]

Everyone in the christian community likes to talk about the Omniscient Lord Jesus. If this is true, that while on earth, He was fully God, and yet He did not know the date the end would come, and that only the Father knew? How does that stack up to being Omniscient.

It stacks up perfectly...Father Son and Holy Spirit...Three persons in one....This part knows the time even though this part does not....The three as one is omnicient...I don't think anybody says Jesus alone is omnicient.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Guess you will have to ask God someday?

A clue may be in what Jesus cried out from the cross ..."My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?"

The thought pattern here would be how could God forsake God?
In His perfect wisdom, and to defeat Satin, God had to let Jesus die as a 100 % Man and at His last, Jesus had to die alone, and God backed away. ( Very God yet Very Man?!)

Good question for God, but my thought would be that you will be so caught in Glorification you'll probably forget!...Lol!

 

[JerryfromMass]

Jesus was omniscient here on earth, but only to the extent of what the Father wanted HIM to know. It's rather easy to see and understand from scripture. "It is not for you to know times or seasons that the Father has fixed by His own authority." Acts 1:7. However, Jesus knew the thoughts of all (omniscient in that way), and yet did not know all that the Father knew (not all knowing in that way). Jesus, in HIS humanity, was giving all glory to God the Father when HE said "But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father." The same as when Jesus said "Why callest thou me good? none is good, save one, that is, God.” Luke 18:19. Jesus wasn't denying that HE lived in sinless perfection, as HE was the only one that lived a human life to uphold God's standard of moral excellence. Jesus was giving all glory to God above so as to draw sinful man to understand their fallen state.

Blessings

 

[Butch5]

Everyone in the christian community likes to talk about the Omniscient Lord Jesus. If this is true, that while on earth, He was fully God, and yet He did not know the date the end would come, and that only the Father knew? How does that stack up to being Omniscient.

It doesn't. One can't be omniscient and not know something, I think the problem is that people conflate Jesus and the Father as one God or being. That is a logical contradiction. Jesus wasn't omniscient. He indicated so Himself as you point out.

 

[Born Again 2004]

It doesn't. One can't be omniscient and not know something, I think the problem is that people conflate Jesus and the Father as one God or being. That is a logical contradiction. Jesus wasn't omniscient. He indicated so Himself as you point out.

That is a question we will we ALL soon have answered. It mostly leaves us humans in a quandary to reconcile the two but we must remember that God is Holy and also Omnipotent . Being Prophane , there simply are many things that we can't or shouldn't try to explain and ,I think this is one of them.
By all evidence, God was the father of Jesus..how is that possible? How is God father of himself.

I think that Jesus acted as a son when He said, " If you have seen me, you have seen the Father ".
It is said that many human sons are just like their human Fathers ...No one was probably more Father and Son like these two and, why doesn't anyone mention the Mother.

Wouldn't you think that Jesus was 1/2 God and the other half Mary?..Seems logical for a Carnal Mind..God Himself said He was Spirit...I don't know, maybe Jesus was God Spiritually and Human Physically!

All I know is the Bible says that Jesus cried out during his last breath.." My God, my God....Why have you forsaken me?
To defeat Satin, did God back away from Jesus, so a fully Man could pay the penalty?

Not sure but the Bible also tells me , at the end, when God has Glorified me, I will know Him as well as He knows me..
How is that possible? I don't know but the Bible says it...maybe I won't ask Him any questions..probably He will ask ALL the questions!

 

[Butch5]

That is a question we will we ALL soon have answered. It mostly leaves us humans in a quandary to reconcile the two but we must remember that God is Holy and also Omnipotent . Being Prophane , there simply are many things that we can't or shouldn't try to explain and ,I think this is one of them.
By all evidence, God was the father of Jesus..how is that possible? How is God father of himself.

I think that Jesus acted as a son when He said, " If you have seen me, you have seen the Father ".
It is said that many human sons are just like their human Fathers ...No one was probably more Father and Son like these two and, why doesn't anyone mention the Mother.

Wouldn't you think that Jesus was 1/2 God and the other half Mary?..Seems logical for a Carnal Mind..God Himself said He was Spirit...I don't know, maybe Jesus was God Spiritually and Human Physically!

All I know is the Bible says that Jesus cried out during his last breath.." My God, my God....Why have you forsaken me?
To defeat Satin, did God back away from Jesus, so a fully Man could pay the penalty?

Not sure but the Bible also tells me , at the end, when God has Glorified me, I will know Him as well as He knows me..
How is that possible? I don't know but the Bible says it...maybe I won't ask Him any questions..probably He will ask ALL the questions!

Hi Born Again 2004,

This isn't hard to understand if we approach it with the correct presuppositions. One of the problems is how we use the word God. People are all over and many cannot define what they mean by the word. The word simply means deity. The vast majority of times the word "God" is used of the God of Israel is it a reference to the Father. A few times Jesus is referred to as God. God is a title, like President. The president of the United states and the president of Mexico are both presidents, but they are not the same person. Likewise the Father and Jesus are both deity, or God, however, they are not the same person or being. When Scripture says there is one God, it is referring to the Father and it's referring to authority. Christians answer to one God, the Father. Paul said to the Corinthians, 'to us there is one God, the Father'. Saying Jesus is God, is not saying He is the same being as the Father. It simply means He is deity.

God is not the Father of Himself. He is the Father of Jesus. One cannot be the father of them self. That's not possible. To give birth indicates that the one being born did not exist prior to birth. thus one cannot produce oneself. In John Jesus said that He came out of God. That means that God existed before Jesus came out of Him. Thus God could not be His own Father.

 

[Born Again 2004]

Hi Born Again 2004,

This isn't hard to understand if we approach it with the correct presuppositions. One of the problems is how we use the word God. People are all over and many cannot define what they mean by the word. The word simply means deity. The vast majority of times the word "God" is used of the God of Israel is it a reference to the Father. A few times Jesus is referred to as God. God is a title, like President. The president of the United states and the president of Mexico are both presidents, but they are not the same person. Likewise the Father and Jesus are both deity, or God, however, they are not the same person or being. When Scripture says there is one God, it is referring to the Father and it's referring to authority. Christians answer to one God, the Father. Paul said to the Corinthians, 'to us there is one God, the Father'. Saying Jesus is God, is not saying He is the same being as the Father. It simply means He is deity.

God is not the Father of Himself. He is the Father of Jesus. One cannot be the father of them self. That's not possible. To give birth indicates that the one being born did not exist prior to birth. thus one cannot produce oneself. In John Jesus said that He came out of God. That means that God existed before Jesus came out of Him. Thus God could not be His own Father.

Looks like we agree on this!