Obama Not An American Citizen

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JOHN JAY
First Chief Justice of the Supreme Court
(One of three men most responsible of the constitution)
“Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers.”
 
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I'm sorry I'm trying to follow the conversation, and figure out how those quotes relate or prove Obama is not an american citizen, which is the content of the Thread.

Thanks for the future clarification.
God bless


It's 2011 he's in power there's nothing anyone can do, but wait for next elections.

How about we worry about the poor natives in Hawaii who are being forced out of the beaches because it makes tourism drop. How about we educate ourselves on the suffering and the hatred native Hawaiians carry and for WHO ? Why not ask ourselves the leading cause of high real estate that prevents natives from obtaining property in their own home land ?
There's more important things in this world we could change.

No law is going to stop homosexuality.
No law is going to stop a rape victim from aborting her baby.
No law is going to stop the little girl who's father is the grandfather.
No law is going to stop lesbians from falling in love and wanting to get marry or form a union ?
No law will stop war because contractors would have to use technology to focus on stuff like cure for AIDS or cancer...and that's just boring. ( Who would make movies or video games out of that )
No law would stop murders
No law would stop thieves

The church can't follow 2 simple laws yet we expect more from non-believers.

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Matthew 22:35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,
36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?
37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.
38 This is the first and great commandment.
39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
All the church mouth piece is good for is babbling political nonsense. The media feeds them, they eat it without reading the labels , digesting the food poison, then share the same filth with others. The end product Jared Lee Loughner - 13 wounded and 6 dead in Arizona. He's a kid, 22yrs old is a kid. What could lead him into doing something like that? We need to be careful the conversations we have around people. Could you be feeding the next Jared, is the fear mongering media in your house leading your kids down this path ? Well you'll never know until the police shows up at your door.

When we stop looking to man for security, God will find his place as Head.

No one is going to abolish abortion or gay marriage because the laws was set up to protect human rights. If these things were made illegal what would be left as a winning debate for elections ? The last man promised to abolish abortion he didn't and he won because of those promises. It's better President Obama say what he means and means what he says...so if he's for abortion..then the people know what to expect. But when you have people promising to do things just for a vote and using God so the church would be on their party wagon it's pitiful. So I'm letting you know now abortion and gay marriage is not going anywhere.
We can not control people to do what we want them to do. God gave them free will.

Immigration issues will remain an issue ( God will be judging us on our response on how we treat these strangers..
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Deuteronomy 10: 19 You shall love the stranger, for you were once strangers in the land of Egypt.

Romans 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbour, therefore love is the fulfilling of the law.

Romans 12:13 Contribute to the needs of the saints; extend hospitality to strangers.

Hebrews 13: 1 Let mutual love continue. Do not neglect to show hospitality to strangers for by doing that some have entertained angels without knowing it

Matthew 25: 35 I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me.

Matt. 25:40 Truly I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of my brethren you did it to me.

You can't help people by controlling them, laws can not change people it's only there for us to see and observe. Spiritual change cant come from laws if it did Jesus didn't have to come.

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.(Romans 8:1-4)

Our Time on this earth is once, there's no pause or reverse button. Love God, forgive others, love others, be an example to others and correct them in love. Practice what you preach, don't be a contradiction. Say what you mean and do as you say, don't preach loving your neighbor then call strangers illegal aliens who don't deserve basic human rights. Instead educate yourself on why they came, who created the corrupted trade laws that prevent economic growth and created the caste system in their countries. Learn to share, find ways to improve their standard of living in their countries. Sympathize with them on the fact that you travel to their country with a simple ID, and they must line up, spent thousands on a visa get denied with no valid explanation. Ask them how many times they tried, how much was spent ? Ask the person who came legally and visa expired what circumstances made them stay. Ask them why US food products are in their shops and not their local farmers ? Go Research the " BANANA wars"

Lets remove ourselves from this self absorb, prideful thinking that we're the best and the world wants what we have, we know better than the world, the world must fashion itself after us, they must run their country as we say and we must protect what's ours.
The reality is everyone deserves freedom and the only thing in most people's mind is survival. Don't let the media fool you to believe anything else.

As for the birth certificate if you're not convince don't vote for him next elections. Also don't use fear tactics to get others to do what you think is right. To each it's own, we have free will and have the right to exercise it. God will judge each man accordingly. He's the president, not going anywhere. As for now teach your kids to respect authority, that the world is not going to agree with them all the time, in God alone they can find peace, for his promises are real. If you're not saying these things to your kids they'll be the next Jared, the first moment of helplessness.


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Now I need to ask you one question iwantjesusinme.
Are we to support or defend anyone who condones abortions?
May God move your heart to answer that question most honestly.
I'm guessing " Iwantjesusinme" delay in answering this question is because the situation was not given.

If this person is being raped ..yes I will defend them.
If this person is in need of money, I will support them.
If this person is my brother I will correct them in love, not scary them to change. ( at the end it's their choice )

Your question is a tricky one reminds me of what Jesus said when he was being tested.

Matthew 12:11He said to them, "If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out?

Sometime you have to break laws to be of help to someone. So my response to your question is " Is this person my neighbor and what is their circumstance ? If we're going to be asking question it can go as far as.."

Would you work for someone who believes in abortion ?
Would you buy products from companies that fund abortion clinics ?
Would you quit your Job if your boss converts to islam ?

Many of us ignorantly support such companies and not know it. Your bank, insurance company, favorite restaurant/ fast food joint or that cold medicine you take..cough cough yes tylenol supports planned parenthood. Christian Distribution Network and life decision international can give you the list. Bank of America, Whole foods ( I shopped there for my organic products which mean I helped fund abortion ) Target, American express , olive gardens , red lobster, wachovia, DISNEY...etc

The question " Would you support or defend a leader who believes in abortion? no, for a leader is a reflection of the people who elected him. But if this leader is in need yes I will support and defend him/her.

All this is vain talk with no action, lets start being proactive because complaining is not getting us anywhere.If nothing I said above made sense please take this...We serve a mighty God, learn to trust him..let the world take care of itself. Stop trying to control the world and people who are different let them be. Not everyone is going to accept the gospel, not every christian is going to heaven.
Change starts in us,next our household and the world. The world is coming to us now, with all these people migrating here..let their salvation be your first concern, not the color of their skin, where they came from or their motives. Your duty is be a disciple of God first, not to man.

Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid. John 14:27

And above all these put on love and enfold yourselves with the bond of perfectness which binds everything together completely in ideal hormony. And let the peace soul harmony which comes from Christ rule act as umpire continually in your hearts deciding and settling with finality all questions that arise in your minds, in that peaceful state to which as members of Christ's one body you were also called to live. And be thankful appreciative, giving praise to God always. Let the word spoken by Christ the Messiah have its home in your hearts and minds and dwell in you in all its richness, as you teach and admonish and train one another in all insight and intelligence and wisdom in spiritual things, and as you sing psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, making melody to God with His grace in your hearts. Colosians 3:14-16 AMP
 
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I'm sorry I'm trying to follow the conversation, and figure out how those quotes relate or prove Obama is not an american citizen, which is the content of the Thread.

Thanks for the future clarification.
God bless
A moot point unless one is fabricated!
 
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A mute point unless one is fabricated!
I'm sorry do you mean a moot point ? excuse my ignorance.
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I just wanted to know if I'm missing something, because I couldn't follow and wasn't sure if it's error.
 
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