No Such Thing as Once Save Always Saved!

[newlife]

Once saved always saved? There is no such thing.
2Ti 2:15, 2Pe 1:4, Php 2:12, Lk 21:34-36<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" />
There is no such thing as once saved always saved.
Pro 8:34, Mt 26:41
There is no such thing as once saved always saved.
1Cor 10:1-5, Jude 1:5,Ezek 33:12,18
There is only day by day salvation.
Lk 11:3, Mt 6:34, 1Cor 10:12, Deut 30;19
Now give me the first part of every day that ye may be able to withstand the devil.
Mt 6:33, Eph 6:10-13, 2Cor 5:3
My word is truth and there is no other truth but the Word of God.
Ps 119:160, Deut 32:4, Rom 3:4
Satan tries to twist my word.
Gen 3:1, 1Cor 14:33, Mt 24:4-5, 2 Jn 1;7
So you must fellowship with my Spirit in order to fight the good fight of faith.
1Cor 12:3, 1Jn 2:27, 1Ti 4:14, 1Ti 6:12
My word is the substance of things hoped for.
Heb 11:1, Ro 10:17
There is no other word under heaven that will deliver your soul from Satan.
Heb 4:12-13, 2Cor 10:3-6, Jam 1:21
You must give me the first part of your day.
Pro 8:17, Ps 5:3, Lk 9:59-61
Follow instruction.
Mt 21:28-31, Pro 4:13, 5:23, 6:23, 13:18
Fellowship with me turn around and fellowship with me.
Ezek 33:19, Deut 6:5, 2Ch 7:14
Receive instruction there is no turning back.
Eph 5:1-13, Lk 9:62
Time is of the essence.
Ps 71:15, Eph 5:14-18
Toil not, turn around and serve me.
Lk 12:24-28, Ezek 18:27-32
Raise the standard I’m the standard.
Ezek 3:20-21, 2Ti 1:8, Lk 9:23,22:42
No other name under heaven by which you must be saved.
Act 4:12, 10:43, Heb 2:3
There is no other like me.
Heb 4:15, 2Cor 5:21, Rom 5:19
Serve no other master.
Deut 6:4, Mr 12:29, 1Cor 6:17, 1Cor 7:29, Mt 6:24, Jos 24:15
Now sin no more.
Jn 5:14, Jam 4:17, Lk 12:45-47, Heb 10:26-27
No respecter of persons.
Jer 17:10, Gal 6:8, Rom 2;6-11, 2Cor 5:10
I’m the First and the Last, the Alfa And Omega, the Beginning and the Ending.
Rev 1:11,8
No respecter of persons.
Mt 12:50


Jesus


Prophecy given to a servant of God

 

[stephen]

"No such thing as once saved....always saved?

There is such a thing......absolutely.......if you remain "saved" you are then always saved!

I am my fathers son. No matter what I do I cannot change this my inheritance......my heritage.

How do you see this relating to a person accepting Jesus as their Savior......and then drifting away from the LOrd? Can the LOrd God be their Father at one point in life......and then forsake at another?


In His Love

 

[Coconut]

No Such Thing as Once Save Always Saved!

I quite agree, for it is quite impossible to lose something we have not obtained yet.


Heb 6:9 Even though we speak like this, dear friends, we are convinced of better things in your case, things that point to salvation.
Heb 6:10 For God is not so unjust as to forget your work and the love you have shown him as you have ministered to the saints and continue to minister to them.
Heb 6:11 But we want each of you to continue to show this same diligence to the very end, in order to give full assurance to your hope.
Heb 6:12 Then, instead of being lazy, you will become imitators of those who are inheriting the promises through faith and patience.
Heb 6:13 For when God made his promise to Abraham, he swore an oath by himself, since he had no one greater to swear by.
Heb 6:14 He said, "I will certainly bless you and give you many descendants."
Heb 6:15 And so he obtained the promise, because he patiently waited for it.

 

[OnlyJesus]

If you were once trully saved you are always saved, but sometimes/ many times a person never really got saved but thinks he is saved, yet his life has not yet been transformed he is still not a new creature and lives a sinful life. Jesus did not shed his blood for someone who was once trully saved to lose his salvation again, its nonsense. Someone who is trully saved still sins, but will not live a sinful life. The holy spirit will touch that person and he/she will ask forgivenes to the lord and will try to stay away from that sin... Once your name is written in that book it will not be erased. What comes after Salvation is the process of sanctification, some people might go faster others slower, it depends how much the person seeks... Reading the Bible and festing...

 

[MelechYisrael]

2 Timothy 2:15 - study as to grow in His grace and knowledge. Your efforts should be concentrated on becoming a worker for God who does not need to be ashamed. To treat the truth without falsifying it.

2 Peter 1:4 - God’s promises enable the believer to escape the corruption that is in the world through lust. God has promised all that we need to resist temptation. By these same promises, we may be partakers of His divine nature. This takes place at the time of conversion. Then as we live in the practical enjoyment of what He’s promised, we become more and more conformed to His image. As we read His word, the Holy Spirit changes us into His likeness from one degree of glory to another.

Philippians 2:12 - We are to work out the salvation that has been placed within us. God has given us eternal life as a free gift. We are to live it out by lives of practical holiness. Also, salvation refers to the problems at Philippi. The church was plagued with squabbles, and strife. Paul told them to apply the remedy by having the mind of Christ. They were to work out their own salvation - or to work out the solution to their difficulties.

Luke 21:34-36 - True disciples should watch and pray at all times. The Lord’s coming might happen unexpectedly. Separating themselves from the ungodly world which is doomed to experience the wrath of God.

Matthew 26:41 - This is speaking of our prayer life. Our minds wander when they should be “watching” - praying.

1 Corinthians 10:1-5 - Despite being physically delivered from Egypt, the Israelites’ hearts were still back in Egypt, spiritually. They had enjoyed a physical deliverance from bondage, but still lusted after the sinful pleasures of that country.
Baptized into Moses simply means they identified with Moses; acknowledged his leadership. Being under the cloud is that which identifies them with God. Through the sea describes that which separated them from Egypt.

Jude 1:5 - God had promised the land of Cannan to the people. In that promise was all the enablement they needed. But they accepted the evil report of the spies at Kadesh, and rebelled against the Lord.

Ezekiel 33:12 - The people complained that God’s dealings with them were not just, but He denies this, reminding them that He will pardon a wicked man who confesses and forsakes his sin, but He will also punish a righteous man who turns to wickedness.

Luke 11:3 - Having first sought the kingdom of God and His righteousness, the petitioner is taught to make known his personal needs and desires. The ever-recurring need for food, both physical and spiritual, is introduced. We are to live in daily dependence upon Him, acknowledging Him as the source of every good.

Matthew 6:34 - We are called to live one day at a time. Tomorrow can worry about its own things.

1 Corinthians 10:12 - A warning to the self-confident man. A believer who thinks he can dabble with self-gratification and not be affected by it. Such a person is in the greatest danger of falling under the disciplinary hand of God.

Your noted reference verses here are interpreted by William MacDonald. Nowhere do I find them translating our salvation into an every day occurrence. Nowhere do these verses say our salvation is not eternal. These few verses are exhortations and warnings to the believer to be diligent and wary in his walk.

Once saved always saved? Yes...as long as that person is continually walking with Him. Walk away, turn your back on God...backslide if you will, then I do believe salvation can be lost. Jesus still loves the backslider. Jesus still leaves the door of salvation open to the backslider...let the wicked man forsake his ways, and the unrighteous man his thoughts. Let him return unto me and I will abundantly pardon.

 

[Boanerges]

1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

For one who truly loves God salvation is assured.

 

[Copper25]

John 10:27-29)

<SUP>27</SUP>My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:


<SUP class=versenum id=en-KJV-26510 value="28">28</SUP>And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand. <SUP class=versenum id=en-KJV-26511 value="29"></SUP>
<SUP class=versenum value="29">29</SUP>My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

I got one question for all people.

Is 100%, every single person who is truly in the Church of Christ going to be saved

OR

Is less than 100% of the people who are truly in the Church of Christ going to be saved?

Give me biblical support for your answer.

This is a question many chose not to answer because when they do, it will crush contradict what they believe in the issue of OSAS.

 

[BlessedLady]

Yes always saved

If you can lose your salvation...the cross would not have been enough

And i would not like to be the one , to say THAT

So i say THIS:
Once you become a Christian, and you are saved......you stay saved, or the cross was not enough

 

[Coconut]

1Jn 5:13 These things have I written unto you that believe on the name of the Son of God; that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the name of the Son of God.

For one who truly loves God salvation is assured.

I agree, but assured is still not obtained, so therefore...

But I repeat myself

 

[hiselect]

There certainly is the concept of eternal security. The "warning" passages in the Bible do not intend to teach that salvation can be lost, they intend to urge those in the race to "finish the race". The audience that this is directed towards is everyone who claims to be a Christian. It would make no sense for the author to say "for those of you who are false Christians...these warnings are for you..but for you true Christians..just ignore them". Not a very effective communication method.

The warnings in Scripture are a means to an end. God's people persevere in the faith and never completely fall away out of grace because God has ordained that His people obey the warnings in Scripture, by the help and power of the Holy Spirit.

Since salvation is all of God and all of grace, and since salvation is completely, absolutely free and completed by Jesus Christ alone, and since you cannot earn or merit salvation, there's nothing a Christian can do to un-merit his salvation.

God's people are kept and preserved because they have the Holy Spirit in them to keep them, and save them, and keep them in the faith, which was a gift from God to begin with. When God starts salvation, He promises to complete it and finish it, to the end.

Thank God that salvation doesn't rest in me and my works, but in the Perfect Work of Jesus Christ. If it depended on us, we would lose our salvation 5 seconds after obtaining it.

 

[Boanerges]

I agree, but assured is still not obtained, so therefore...

But I repeat myself

Salvation = deliverance. Deliverance begins when you bow your heart to Christ. Since my salvation is totally dependent on what He did at the cross and the righteousness He imputed to me I am both assured and a partaker. There I go repeating myself- LOL!

 

[RJ]

Once Saved

Once, truly, saved always saved. Once you have Christ's Sprit living in you, God promises to never leave.

Read Hebrews 6:4
This is a too oten misunderstood passage.
Paul is talking about Apostacy here. A non-believer in the first place. He is essentially say : Once saved it is impossible to fall away!

Joe

 

[Boanerges]

Jesus talks of many seeds. Only the ones in good soil is ever truly rooted in Him and will remain. The rest taste of Him but never really love Him and in truth never really belonged to Him at all as is demonstrated in this verse:
1Jn 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us: but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us.

 

[Copper25]

The truth

Once, truly, saved always saved. Once you have Christ's Sprit living in you, God promises to never leave.

Read Hebrews 6:4
This is a too oten misunderstood passage.
Paul is talking about Apostacy here. A non-believer in the first place. He is essentially say : Once saved it is impossible to fall away!

Joe

Look at Hebrews 6:4

<SUP>4</SUP>For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost,

<SUP class=versenum id=en-KJV-30050 value="5">5</SUP>And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come,

<SUP class=versenum id=en-KJV-30051 value="6">6</SUP>If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame.

Can an ubeliever be enlightened, have tasted of the heavenly gift of salvation, be made partakers of the Holy Ghost, and have tasted the good word of God, and even the powers of the world to come?

No!

This scenario simply is talking about what would happen IF a TRUE Christian were to fall away; BUT this doesn't mean that a true believer will ever fall away. Remmber this, one rule, the word of God, never contradicts itself because God does not contradict Himself.

 

[RJ]

I am sure if you agree od disagree.
It looks like we are saying the same thing.
IN Heb 6:4, Paul is reffering to a person, who though they may have been saying that they believe, that they have shared the Holy Spirit but, they in fact, are committing the act of unbelief and have turned their back on Jesus as the Mesiah.

Once you are saved through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, you are saved for good, there is no going back. God says once he comes in , He will never leave you.

There is no such thing as a "True Believer" falling away!
Joe

 

[Copper25]

the response

I think we are on the same thinking.

It gives that scenario of what would would happen if (though it won't happen) a true believer were to fall away.

 

[johnpaul]

Dosen't Jesus say, 'those the Father gives me, no one will take away from me'?
I'll try and find cpt and verse.

 

[johnpaul]

I aree

Once you are saved through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit, you are saved for good, there is no going back. God says once he comes in , He will never leave you.

There is no such thing as a "True Believer" falling away!
Joe

Well put, God Bless
:shade:

 

[Trisha]

Then I don't understand the woman who was a Christian for fifteen plus years mentoring me in my walk with the Lord, and now she is in adultery and not interested in God. She was definitely into God and God into her, but now she is with my husband. Did she lose her salvation as she continues in sin? I am glad my foundation was and is Christ and NOT her. I just don't get it, how someone can be so faithful and love God and then turn away.

Our church teaches that YOU can take yourself out of God's hand.

What about Romans where it says to them that they being grafted in, can be cut off if they don't watch it. They are already grafted in, so saved. Now Paul warns that they can be cut off.

 

[RJ]

Then I don't understand the woman who was a Christian for fifteen plus years mentoring me in my walk with the Lord, and now she is in adultery and not interested in God. She was definitely into God and God into her, but now she is with my husband. Did she lose her salvation as she continues in sin? I am glad my foundation was and is Christ and NOT her. I just don't get it, how someone can be so faithful and love God and then turn away.

Our church teaches that YOU can take yourself out of God's hand.

What about Romans where it says to them that they being grafted in, can be cut off if they don't watch it. They are already grafted in, so saved. Now Paul warns that they can be cut off.

Trisha

It is very hard to say , only God knows for sure what's in a person's heart. If your friend is denouncing God, the existence of what Jesus did then she is committing apostacy and she didn't recieve Christ in the first place, see Heb 6:4.
Otherwise, some of satin's sins of the world are very powerfull and can cause a person to push God out of their life.

Please dont base the reality of what happened to you with your friends current condition. You dont have to like what she is doing but you need to fogive her and move on with your life.

God already knew what was going to happen to your friend, despite that he used her to draw you near. But it was you that ultimately ask Him in . I know your hurting, but don't let that confuse you with your own walk with Christ.

When you recieved Christ, invited Him in, remember that and build on it, and continue to grow in his word and Spirit. Everything around you is of the world and does not last but, what you have in Christ is now and is eternal.

Joe