No one is "born gay"...

[Shaolin]

No one is born gay, God does not create people as homosexuals when He has condemned homosexuality in His Word...

How a person becomes homosexual, part 1

How a person becomes homosexual, part 2

Blessings!

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[StewardoftheMystery]

All those who are firstborn of the “flesh” are born with a “sin nature”.

No matter the sin, the wages of sin is death. This is why we must be born again of God’s Spirit.

 

[B-A-C]

I guess this needs to come up every couple of years.

What If I'm Born Gay?

Put together a video. God Bless.

www.talkjesus.com

What If I'm Born Gay?

so -- what about homosexuality. Is anyone Born that way. No. We're all born with a clean slate. A problem can develop when God's Word is not taught. When parents don't teach their kids boundaries. Kids need to be guided in Biblical morals from early on. Mom's need to be Mom's with their...

www.talkjesus.com

 

[Shaolin]

I guess this needs to come up every couple of years.

What If I'm Born Gay?

Put together a video. God Bless.

www.talkjesus.com

What If I'm Born Gay?

so -- what about homosexuality. Is anyone Born that way. No. We're all born with a clean slate. A problem can develop when God's Word is not taught. When parents don't teach their kids boundaries. Kids need to be guided in Biblical morals from early on. Mom's need to be Mom's with their...

www.talkjesus.com

I posted this because the thread "what if i'm born gay" was closed for comment. I did not go through all the pages, I don't have that kind of time, and the title seems to directly imply that people can be born gay.

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[Shaolin]

All those who are firstborn of the “flesh” are born with a “sin nature”.

No matter the sin, the wages of sin is death. This is why we must be born again of God’s Spirit.

Yes...but this has nothing to do with the OP.

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[B-A-C]

Yes...but this has nothing to do with the OP.

Well, It kind of does.

I used to be a counselor in a men's addiction group.
One thing I found over the years, is everyone seems to have certain tendencies.
Some like to lie, some like to steal, some like to look at pornography, some like to gamble. Some like the feeling drugs and alcohol gives them. Some like to over-eat, some like to be lazy, and well... it appears some of them .. "like men".
I think we are all born into sin, and we all have certain sins we are drawn to. I'm pretty sure almost all of us could say we've had a "pet sin" somewhere in our past.
Some of this could even be generational. If your parents were alcoholics, there's a higher chance you might be also. If your parents were over-weight, there's a higher chance you might be also.
For me... and a lot of men I suspect... it was pornography. It really had a grip on me. I tried for decades to stop doing it. I hated myself for doing it. I prayed, I cried, I got angry, and even thought about making myself blind.
I know people who are hooked on smoking, they want o quit but they just "can't". I know a man who would rather gamble his last dollar away than eat. He stood on street corners begging for money... so he could gamble.
One conversation I will never forget, a group of men talking around a table....
I could sleep in a bank full of money all night, and not take any... but I couldn't sleep in a liquor store and not drink any.
I could sleep in a liquor store all might and not drink any, but I couldn't sleep in a bakery and not eat sweets.
I could sleep in bakery all night and not anything, but I couldn't sleep in a room full of naked women and not stare at them.
I could sleep in a room full of naked women and not stare, but I couldn't sleep in a bar and not have beer. etc...
You get the idea. Everyone has that "one sin" that they keep going back to over and over again. It seems it's so hard to break it. One reason it's so hard is because we "love" that sin. We don't really want to quit doing it.
So yes, I suppose it's possible there are born homosexuals, just like there are born, liars, thieves, sex perverts, alcoholics and murderers.
But even so... just because we have a certain tendency to want to do a certain thing... doesn't make it right. It doesn't make it NOT sin just because I want to do it.
I can tell you as a man who struggled with pornography for decades.... it CAN be overcome. It can be defeated. For me it wasn't easy, it wasn't quick, but It's been about 9 years "sober" for me now.
I suspect it's the same way with homosexuality, you might love doing it. (It's still a sin) You might not want to quit doing it. But if we can get past what we want, and start focusing on what God wants... we truly can overcome.
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The old argument is... how can loving someone be a sin?
Homosexuality isn't about love.
I love men, I loved my dad, I love my sons, I love men I go to church with. But I don't sleep with them.
Heck loving people is what we are supposed to do. Sleeping with people is another matter.

Homosexuality is about sex.
How can loving someone be wrong? If you think love and sex are the same thing... try "loving" your neighbors wife and see if he agrees.
Try "loving" your neighbors children and see if they agree.

 

[Shaolin]

Well, It kind of does.

I used to be a counselor in a men's addiction group.
One thing I found over the years, is everyone seems to have certain tendencies.
Some like to lie, some like to steal, some like to look at pornography, some like to gamble. Some like the feeling drugs and alcohol gives them. Some like to over-eat, some like to be lazy, and well... it appears some of them .. "like men".
I think we are all born into sin, and we all have certain sins we are drawn to. I'm pretty sure almost all of us could say we've had a "pet sin" somewhere in our past.
Some of this could even be generational. If your parents were alcoholics, there's a higher chance you might be also. If your parents were over-weight, there's a higher chance you might be also.
For me... and a lot of men I suspect... it was pornography. It really had a grip on me. I tried for decades to stop doing it. I hated myself for doing it. I prayed, I cried, I got angry, and even thought about making myself blind.
I know people who are hooked on smoking, they want o quit but they just "can't". I know a man who would rather gamble his last dollar away than eat. He stood on street corners begging for money... so he could gamble.
One conversation I will never forget, a group of men talking around a table....
I could sleep in a bank full of money all night, and not take any... but I couldn't sleep in a liquor store and not drink any.
I could sleep in a liquor store all might and not drink any, but I couldn't sleep in a bakery and not eat sweets.
I could sleep in bakery all night and not anything, but I couldn't sleep in a room full of naked women and not stare at them.
I could sleep in a room full of naked women and not stare, but I couldn't sleep in a bar and not have beer. etc...
You get the idea. Everyone has that "one sin" that they keep going back to over and over again. It seems it's so hard to break it. One reason it's so hard is because we "love" that sin. We don't really want to quit doing it.
So yes, I suppose it's possible there are born homosexuals, just like there are born, liars, thieves, sex perverts, alcoholics and murderers.
But even so... just because we have a certain tendency to want to do a certain thing... doesn't make it right. It doesn't make it NOT sin just because I want to do it.
I can tell you as a man who struggled with pornography for decades.... it CAN be overcome. It can be defeated. For me it wasn't easy, it wasn't quick, but It's been about 9 years "sober" for me now.
I suspect it's the same way with homosexuality, you might love doing it. (It's still a sin) You might not want to quit doing it. But if we can get past what we want, and start focusing on what God wants... we truly can overcome.
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The old argument is... how can loving someone be a sin?
Homosexuality isn't about love.
I love men, I loved my dad, I love my sons, I love men I go to church with. But I don't sleep with them.
Heck loving people is what we are supposed to do. Sleeping with people is another matter.

Homosexuality is about sex.
How can loving someone be wrong? If you think love and sex are the same thing... try "loving" your neighbors wife and see if he agrees.
Try "loving" your neighbors children and see if they agree.

I see your point, I was just being more pinpointed!

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[Waggles]

This is why we are all on the cusp of the judgement and wrath coming upon the whole Earth.
The once Christian West [the lost tribes of Israel] are doing what Judah did when they choose Barabbas over their Messiah.
God divorced his marriage with the Jews in 70 AD rather violently. And it will be the same upon the original Christian nations that have these days rejected their Messiah, the Saviour.
Isaiah 24 is about the judgement of the whole Earth ...

Isaiah 24:1 Behold, the LORD will empty the earth and make it desolate, and he will twist its surface and scatter its inhabitants.
2 And it shall be, as with the people, so with the priest; as with the slave, so with his master; as with the maid, so with her mistress; as with the buyer, so with the seller; as with the lender, so with the borrower;
as with the creditor, so with the debtor.
3 The earth shall be utterly empty and utterly plundered; for the LORD has spoken this word.
4 The earth mourns and withers; the world languishes and withers; the highest people of the earth languish.
5 The earth lies defiled under its inhabitants; for they have transgressed the laws, violated the statutes, broken the everlasting covenant.
6 Therefore a curse devours the earth, and its inhabitants suffer for their guilt; therefore the inhabitants of the earth are scorched, and few men are left. [ESV]

 

[Waggles]

Isaiah 13:6 Wail, for the day of the LORD is near; as destruction from the Almighty it will come!
7 Therefore all hands will be feeble, and every human heart will melt.
8 They will be dismayed: pangs and agony will seize them; they will be in anguish like a woman in labour. They will look aghast at one another; their faces will be aflame.
9 Behold, the day of the LORD comes, cruel, with wrath and fierce anger, to make the land a desolation and to destroy its sinners from it.
10 For the stars of the heavens and their constellations will not give their light; the sun will be dark at its rising, and the moon will not shed its light.
11 I will punish the world for its evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; I will put an end to the pomp of the arrogant, and lay low the pompous pride of the ruthless.
12 I will make people more rare than fine gold, and mankind than the gold of Ophir.
13 Therefore I will make the heavens tremble, and the earth will be shaken out of its place, at the wrath of the LORD of hosts in the day of his fierce anger.
[ESV]
Romans 2:6 He will render to each one according to his works:
7 to those who by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honour and immortality, he will give eternal life;
8 but for those who are self-seeking and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, there will be wrath and fury. [ESV]

 

[Waggles]

It matters not whether sinners believe they are born homosexual or not - for all outside the gospel of salvation are in danger of destruction.
People often focus on various sins, but it is more about having a true spiritual relationship with the God of our salvation than whether one's sins are minor or gross.

1Thess 1:9 For THEY report concerning us what manner of entering in we had unto you; and how ye turned unto God from idols, to be bondmen of a living and true God,
1:10 and to wait for his Son from the heavens, whom he raised from the dead: Jesus, who delivers us from the wrath to come. [NENT]

1Thess 5:9 For God appointed us not unto wrath, but unto the obtaining of salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ,
5:10 who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. [NENT]

 

[Shaolin]

The once Christian West [the lost tribes of Israel] are doing what Judah did when they choose Barabbas over their Messiah.

The lost tribes of Israel? So...are you a mormon masquerading as a Christian on this forum, or do you just believe mormon false doctrine on your own.

A legitimate question, not trying to be funny.

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[Waggles]

The lost tribes of Israel? So...are you a mormon masquerading as a Christian on this forum, or do you just believe mormon false doctrine on your own.

A legitimate question, not trying to be funny.

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You are derailing the thread -
I am aware of the Mormon claims to lost tribes in America, but that is not comparable to traditional Bible study on how the House of Israel received the new covenant wherein believers would
receive the Spirit of God and the law would be in our hearts.

 

[Shaolin]

You are derailing the thread -
I am aware of the Mormon claims to lost tribes in America, but that is not comparable to traditional Bible study on how the House of Israel received the new covenant wherein believers would
receive the Spirit of God and the law would be in our hearts.

Sorry, but I am not the one who "derailed" the thread...YOU did that by posting nonsense that I called you out on, and now you are...what...backpedaling?

There are no lost tribes of Israel, and the "Christian West" is something that you made up here, no? And "
that is not comparable to traditional Bible study on how the House of Israel received the new covenant wherein believers would receive the Spirit of God and the law would be in our hearts," has nothing to do with either your claim or the OP.

Again, it seems like you are now backpedaling...and you didn't answer the question, are you mormon, or just believe their false doctrines?

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[Jarhead0311]

Well, It kind of does.

I used to be a counselor in a men's addiction group.
One thing I found over the years, is everyone seems to have certain tendencies.
Some like to lie, some like to steal, some like to look at pornography, some like to gamble. Some like the feeling drugs and alcohol gives them. Some like to over-eat, some like to be lazy, and well... it appears some of them .. "like men".
I think we are all born into sin, and we all have certain sins we are drawn to. I'm pretty sure almost all of us could say we've had a "pet sin" somewhere in our past.
Some of this could even be generational. If your parents were alcoholics, there's a higher chance you might be also. If your parents were over-weight, there's a higher chance you might be also.
For me... and a lot of men I suspect... it was pornography. It really had a grip on me. I tried for decades to stop doing it. I hated myself for doing it. I prayed, I cried, I got angry, and even thought about making myself blind.
I know people who are hooked on smoking, they want o quit but they just "can't". I know a man who would rather gamble his last dollar away than eat. He stood on street corners begging for money... so he could gamble.
One conversation I will never forget, a group of men talking around a table....
I could sleep in a bank full of money all night, and not take any... but I couldn't sleep in a liquor store and not drink any.
I could sleep in a liquor store all might and not drink any, but I couldn't sleep in a bakery and not eat sweets.
I could sleep in bakery all night and not anything, but I couldn't sleep in a room full of naked women and not stare at them.
I could sleep in a room full of naked women and not stare, but I couldn't sleep in a bar and not have beer. etc...
You get the idea. Everyone has that "one sin" that they keep going back to over and over again. It seems it's so hard to break it. One reason it's so hard is because we "love" that sin. We don't really want to quit doing it.
So yes, I suppose it's possible there are born homosexuals, just like there are born, liars, thieves, sex perverts, alcoholics and murderers.
But even so... just because we have a certain tendency to want to do a certain thing... doesn't make it right. It doesn't make it NOT sin just because I want to do it.
I can tell you as a man who struggled with pornography for decades.... it CAN be overcome. It can be defeated. For me it wasn't easy, it wasn't quick, but It's been about 9 years "sober" for me now.
I suspect it's the same way with homosexuality, you might love doing it. (It's still a sin) You might not want to quit doing it. But if we can get past what we want, and start focusing on what God wants... we truly can overcome.
-------
The old argument is... how can loving someone be a sin?
Homosexuality isn't about love.
I love men, I loved my dad, I love my sons, I love men I go to church with. But I don't sleep with them.
Heck loving people is what we are supposed to do. Sleeping with people is another matter.

Homosexuality is about sex.
How can loving someone be wrong? If you think love and sex are the same thing... try "loving" your neighbors wife and see if he agrees.
Try "loving" your neighbors children and see if they agree.

Every addiction began as a choice a bad choice but a choice , and every sin begins with a choice.

 

[Brad Huber]

We are born with the desrires to do that which is sin, a gay lifestyle is simply one of those sins. Only in being trained from an early age to avoid the pitfalls that lead us to sin will help some and only in Jesus will we achieve complete victory over sin that might have a hold on us. These days they teach that liking sexual perversions is perfectly fine, nothing to be ashamed of, but sin doesnt stop being sin, just because alot of ppl think its not sin.

 

[Shaolin]

Every addiction began as a choice a bad choice but a choice , and every sin begins with a choice.

Yes, indeed...but BAC thinks that homosexuality is something a person can be born into, which is incorrect. Homosexuality is not an addiction, however, but other than that I am in full agreement!

Blessings!

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[Shaolin]

We are born with the desrires to do that which is sin, a gay lifestyle is simply one of those sins. Only in being trained from an early age to avoid the pitfalls that lead us to sin will help some and only in Jesus will we achieve complete victory over sin that might have a hold on us. These days they teach that liking sexual perversions is perfectly fine, nothing to be ashamed of, but sin doesnt stop being sin, just because alot of ppl think its not sin.

Amen, and amen!

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[Jarhead0311]

Yes, indeed...but BAC thinks that homosexuality is something a person can be born into, which is incorrect. Homosexuality is not an addiction, however, but other than that I am in full agreement!

Blessings!

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I understand and Jesus addressed the issue when He taught a MAN leaves his home and a WOMAN leaves her home and the two become ONE flesh. Homosexuality in scripture is called abomination, unnatural, and at some point in that sin God gives them a reprobate mind(Ronans chapter 1). Homosexuals aren’t in love they are consumed with lust.