Nephillim

[th1bill]

Gen, 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

This is one great example of misusing Scripture. Search the Bible until your fingers fall off, and you will not find Yehovah God committing sin. Why in the world do I throw that in here?

God created Angels to be His servants, and Angles do not reproduce.

Matthew 22:30​

For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
In Heaven, we will no longer reproduce, but will be like the Angels who do not reproduce. Let's look for a moment at possibilities.
Sons of God (Biblical Hebrew: בְנֵי־הָאֱלֹהִים, romanized: Bənē hāʾĔlōhīm, [1] literally: "the sons of Elohim " [2]) is a phrase used in the Tanakh or Old Testament and in Christian Apocrypha. The phrase is also used in Kabbalah where bene elohim are part of different Jewish angelic hierarchies.
Men are great at using themselves to relate to anything else, but Yehovah God had the Holy Scriptures recorded and they interpret themselves and that must be accomplished with the aid of Ruah ha'Mashiach, a.k.a. The Holy Spirit.

 

[joestue]

If the nephilim are human dna then where did the men of renown come from, and why arent there any today?

 

[th1bill]

If the nephilim are human dna then where did the men of renown come from, and why arent there any today?

They play basketball. All through history giant men and women and, even in our declining state of overall health men and women still produce giants.

 

[backNforth]

God created Angels to be His servants, and Angles do not reproduce.

Matthew 22:30​

For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.

Rather, you have assumed.

God never said that angels cannot procreate; he said that obedient angels in heaven do not procreate, do not marry. Both 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6-7 reference angels who abandoned their proper domain, which connects directly to Genesis 6. God never said angels were categorically incapable of reproduction/sexual relations.

 

[joestue]

They play basketball. All through history giant men and women and, even in our declining state of overall health men and women still produce giants.

Dear god...


For what its worth my strength to weight ratio in highschool exeeded the world records at the time.

I dead lifted 385 pounds having no former weight lifting experience.. about a dozen times. When i weighed 150. Without a weight belt. My back felt slightly sore for half a day.

No nephilim dna, just cortisol.

Halfthor did 1015 pounds.... He weighed like 480?

 

[KingJ]

Gen, 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

This is one great example of misusing Scripture. Search the Bible until your fingers fall off, and you will not find Yehovah God committing sin. Why in the world do I throw that in here?

God created Angels to be His servants, and Angles do not reproduce.

Matthew 22:30​

For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
In Heaven, we will no longer reproduce, but will be like the Angels who do not reproduce. Let's look for a moment at possibilities.
Sons of God (Biblical Hebrew: בְנֵי־הָאֱלֹהִים, romanized: Bənē hāʾĔlōhīm, [1] literally: "the sons of Elohim " [2]) is a phrase used in the Tanakh or Old Testament and in Christian Apocrypha. The phrase is also used in Kabbalah where bene elohim are part of different Jewish angelic hierarchies.
Men are great at using themselves to relate to anything else, but Yehovah God had the Holy Scriptures recorded and they interpret themselves and that must be accomplished with the aid of Ruah ha'Mashiach, a.k.a. The Holy Spirit.

Bill, I agree that we should never misuse Scripture, and we should always let Scripture interpret Scripture.

However, I don't think the Nephilim view can simply be dismissed. There is a good reason many respected Jewish and Christian scholars have understood the "sons of God" in Genesis 6 to refer to angelic beings. In Job 1:6 and 2:1, the same phrase clearly refers to heavenly beings, not men.

Regarding Matthew 22:30, Jesus said that the angels in heaven neither marry nor are given in marriage. He was not discussing fallen angels or what they may have done after rebelling. Jude 6 to 7 and 2 Peter 2:4 to 5 also describe angels who sinned, and many believe these passages refer back to Genesis 6.

Also, 1 Enoch supports this interpretation. While I do not consider it Scripture, Jude does quote from it, which shows that this understanding existed long before Christianity.

I am not saying the angelic view is unquestionably correct, but I do think it deserves more consideration than simply calling it a misuse of Scripture.

 

[th1bill]

Rather, you have assumed.

God never said that angels cannot procreate; he said that obedient angels in heaven do not procreate, do not marry. Both 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6-7 reference angels who abandoned their proper domain, which connects directly to Genesis 6. God never said angels were categorically incapable of reproduction/sexual relations.

You say I have assumed and then you follow with the assumption that the references I posted are incorrect. I study, I pray and, I listen when Ruah speaks. Yashua said they are not given in marriage and we learn in Matt 22:30 that like the Angels, we will not be married. Not married means no sex and Yashuah then likens it to the condition of the Angels. My understanding is based on Scripture.

Dear god...


For what its worth my strength to weight ratio in highschool exeeded the world records at the time.

I dead lifted 385 pounds having no former weight lifting experience.. about a dozen times. When i weighed 150. Without a weight belt. My back felt slightly sore for half a day.

No nephilim dna, just cortisol.

Halfthor did 1015 pounds.... He weighed like 480?

You lifting has naught to do with giants.

Bill, I agree that we should never misuse Scripture, and we should always let Scripture interpret Scripture.

However, I don't think the Nephilim view can simply be dismissed. There is a good reason many respected Jewish and Christian scholars have understood the "sons of God" in Genesis 6 to refer to angelic beings. In Job 1:6 and 2:1, the same phrase clearly refers to heavenly beings, not men.

Regarding Matthew 22:30, Jesus said that the angels in heaven neither marry nor are given in marriage. He was not discussing fallen angels or what they may have done after rebelling. Jude 6 to 7 and 2 Peter 2:4 to 5 also describe angels who sinned, and many believe these passages refer back to Genesis 6.

Also, 1 Enoch supports this interpretation. While I do not consider it Scripture, Jude does quote from it, which shows that this understanding existed long before Christianity.

I am not saying the angelic view is unquestionably correct, but I do think it deserves more consideration than simply calling it a misuse of Scripture.

The Matthew reference tells me that Angels, spirit beings, are like we will be after the first death and for them to take on form we understand they must be on mission for Yehovah God. They are not God's and I am not lead to understand they can change to take on form of their own will.

 

[backNforth]

Yashua said they are not given in marriage

Do you understand what "given in marriage" means? That phrase appears 5 times in scripture; find out here.

and we learn in Matt 22:30 that like the Angels, we will not be married. Not married means no sex and Yashuah then likens it to the condition of the Angels. My understanding is based on Scripture.

Of course. But your reply still does not address the fact, which is: angels are as capable of sexual relations as we are; nowhere are we told that they are not. Obedient angels do not "do it," but disobedient angels do "do it."

 

[JunoTheServant]

The book of Enoch talks about Nephilim, now if anyone has read the book of Enoch they would know that it's filled with foolishness and is not even written by Enoch. Yet I see people in here defending a dead doctrine, that is not even biblical.

Spirit beings do not reproduce. I agree with original poster there, the it was taught however was incorrect, no English speaker would be convinced after reading that. These Hebrew translators act like God cannot preserve his word. God can speak English, just as well as he can speak fish.

Rather, you have assumed.

God never said that angels cannot procreate; he said that obedient angels in heaven do not procreate, do not marry. Both 2 Peter 2:4 and Jude 1:6-7 reference angels who abandoned their proper domain, which connects directly to Genesis 6. God never said angels were categorically incapable of reproduction/sexual relations.

He literally stated Angels cannot reproduce. Holy angles have the same capabilities as evil angels because all angels started out as holy angels. Angels didn't magical get the ability to procreate just because they disobeyed God. In Jude 1: 6 - 7 the angels in heaven are reserved unto judgement for disobeying God just like how Sodom and Gomorrah will be reserved unto judgement for going after strange flesh, seems to me you are reading this passage and making it seem like the evils angels went after strange flesh which is not true only men of Sodom and Gomorrah did that.

 

[JunoTheServant]

Now to the individual who is seeking the truth let's see and dive into the bible about this topic.

To make this simple what we need to understand is there are 3 sets of sons of God.

1st SET

Spoiler: Job 38: 1 - 7

Job 38: 1 - 7

1 Then the Lord answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said,

2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?

Alright so the angels of God are the sons of God.

2nd SET

Spoiler: Luke 3: 21 - 24, 34, 37 - 38

Luke 3: 21 - 24, 34, 37 - 38
21 Now when all the people were baptized, it came to pass, that Jesus also being baptized, and praying, the heaven was opened,

22 And the Holy Ghost descended in a bodily shape like a dove upon him, and a voice came from heaven, which said, Thou art my beloved Son; in thee I am well pleased.

23 And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli,

24 Which was the son of Matthat, which was the son of Levi, which was the son of Melchi, which was the son of Janna, which was the son of Joseph,

34 Which was the son of Jacob, which was the son of Isaac, which was the son of Abraham, which was the son of Thara, which was the son of Nachor,

37 Which was the son of Mathusala, which was the son of Enoch, which was the son of Jared, which was the son of Maleleel, which was the son of Cainan,

38 Which was the son of Enos, which was the son of Seth, which was the son of Adam, which was the son of God.

Cear and simple and in English. All of these are flesh and blood men and they are labeled as the son of God. The major error people are making is that they assume only angels can be sons of God.

Romans 8: 14
14 For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God.

The spirit of God in this context is referring to the word of God (See John 6: 63). In other words if you obey God's word then you are a son of God because you keep his commandments.

So what happened in Genesis 6: 4 is people who were following God started marrying people who were not following God. As a result sons of God turned away from God and it displeased God. Which is why the bible clearly tells us not to be unequally yoked with unbelievers. It also says two cannot walk together unless they agree. Do not marry someone who does not believe and serve the true God, they will take you away from God.

We literally have several examples of human beings (sons of God) who interfered with the daughters of men (the wicked) and were led astray as a result.

Saul tried to get David to marry his daughter because he knew his daughter was wicked and the best way to bring down the righteous is to have them marry someone who is wicked.

Samson and Solomon are two famous examples.

The last set of the sons of God are those that make the 1st and second resurrection. Hope that helps, have a good day.

 

[joestue]

Spirit beings do not reproduce.

the former moderator of a certain subreddit most here won't go to, told me she aborted her human-demon spiritual offspring she intentionally allowed to be created

i know everyone screams "that's not possible"

but stranger things are in the bible.

 

[JunoTheServant]

the former moderator of a certain subreddit most here won't go to, told me she aborted her human-demon spiritual offspring she intentionally allowed to be created

i know everyone screams "that's not possible"

but stranger things are in the bible.

Psalm 116: 11
11 I said in my haste, All men are liars.

Man is the species so this scriptrue covers both the male version on man and the female version of man.

I deal with scripture not the foolishness that comes out of mans mouth. James already said the tongue is full of deadly poison. I already proved with scripture what happened in genesis. Men and women of faith who walk with God married those who did not and eventually they themselves no longer walk with God.

 

[joestue]

I already proved with scripture what happened in genesis.

which is of no regard to limiting what is, or isn't possible.

I am concerned there will be another rebellion in heaven.

the bible doesn't say there will not be.

in fact there is nothing in the bible that says anything isn't possible. it simply says for God anything is possible. and there is something impossible: can't get out of hell. "a great chasim is fixed" etc. -but we had to wait 4000+ years for Jesus to show up to tell us the ONLY one thing the bible says isn't possible.

last year i had what felt like a 4 hour long experience where i separated a human spirit which was intermingled with a demon.
I asked on a christian subreddit if anyone knew what i was talking about, got basically two replies of "yes" and.. nothing more.

 

[Bill]

Gen, 6:4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days, and also afterward, when the sons of God came in to the daughters of men, and they bore children to them. Those were the mighty men who were of old, men of renown.

This is one great example of misusing Scripture. Search the Bible until your fingers fall off, and you will not find Yehovah God committing sin. Why in the world do I throw that in here?

God created Angels to be His servants, and Angles do not reproduce.

Matthew 22:30​

For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
In Heaven, we will no longer reproduce, but will be like the Angels who do not reproduce. Let's look for a moment at possibilities.
Sons of God (Biblical Hebrew: בְנֵי־הָאֱלֹהִים, romanized: Bənē hāʾĔlōhīm, [1] literally: "the sons of Elohim " [2]) is a phrase used in the Tanakh or Old Testament and in Christian Apocrypha. The phrase is also used in Kabbalah where bene elohim are part of different Jewish angelic hierarchies.
Men are great at using themselves to relate to anything else, but Yehovah God had the Holy Scriptures recorded and they interpret themselves and that must be accomplished with the aid of Ruah ha'Mashiach, a.k.a. The Holy Spirit.

May Jesus fill us with his love and wisdom

Whoever and whatever they were, we're wiped out during the flood

 

[KingJ]

The Matthew reference tells me that Angels, spirit beings, are like we will be after the first death and for them to take on form we understand they must be on mission for Yehovah God. They are not God's and I am not lead to understand they can change to take on form of their own will.

Bill, I appreciate your perspective. My only question is, where does Scripture actually say that fallen angels cannot take human form unless God sends them? I don't think the Bible explicitly says that.

Matthew 22:30 tells us about the holy angels in heaven. I'm just not convinced it settles what rebellious angels may have done.

I'm not saying the angelic view is definitely correct, only that I don't think Scripture rules it out as clearly as you suggest.

 

[KingJ]

The book of Enoch talks about Nephilim, now if anyone has read the book of Enoch they would know that it's filled with foolishness and is not even written by Enoch. Yet I see people in here defending a dead doctrine, that is not even biblical.

Spirit beings do not reproduce. I agree with original poster there, the it was taught however was incorrect, no English speaker would be convinced after reading that. These Hebrew translators act like God cannot preserve his word. God can speak English, just as well as he can speak fish.

I don't think we should dismiss 1 Enoch so quickly. While I don't consider it Scripture, it was highly respected by many Jews before the time of Christ, and Jude even quotes from it in Jude 14 to 15. That doesn't make the whole book inspired, but it does show it was taken seriously.

Also, the angelic view of Genesis 6 doesn't stand or fall on 1 Enoch. People held that interpretation because of the biblical text itself, such as the use of "sons of God" in Job, and the connections many see in Jude and 2 Peter.

So I think it's better to discuss whether Genesis 6 teaches that view, rather than dismissing it simply because 1 Enoch isn't part of the biblical canon.

He literally stated Angels cannot reproduce. Holy angles have the same capabilities as evil angels because all angels started out as holy angels. Angels didn't magical get the ability to procreate just because they disobeyed God. In Jude 1: 6 - 7 the angels in heaven are reserved unto judgement for disobeying God just like how Sodom and Gomorrah will be reserved unto judgement for going after strange flesh, seems to me you are reading this passage and making it seem like the evils angels went after strange flesh which is not true only men of Sodom and Gomorrah did that.

I don't think anyone is saying fallen angels gained new abilities after rebelling. The question is whether Scripture teaches they could misuse abilities they already had.

Regarding Jude 6 to 7, I agree the men of Sodom committed sexual immorality. The reason many connect the angels to Genesis 6 is because Jude seems to compare the angels' sin with the sin of Sodom by saying "likewise" or "in a similar manner." You may disagree with that interpretation, but it's a legitimate biblical argument, not something people have simply invented.

That's why I don't think the angelic view can be dismissed quite so easily.

 

[backNforth]

Whoever and whatever they were, we're wiped out during the flood

"...the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose...There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them..." (Gen. 6:2, 4).

According to the text, all biblical post-flood giants can be traced back to Genesis 10:6-20 and the sons of Ham.
The list includes the following names and their provided meanings:

Cush	black: terror
Mizraim	double straightness
Phut	afflicted
Canaan	trafficker
Seba	drink thou
Havilah	anguish
Sabtah	compassed the chamber
Raamah	thunder
Sabtechah	compassed the smiting
Sheba	he who is coming
Dedan	their love
Nimrod	we shall rebel
Ludim	firebrand: travailing
Anamim	affliction of water
flames: blades

 

[th1bill]

Bill, I appreciate your perspective. My only question is, where does Scripture actually say that fallen angels cannot take human form unless God sends them? I don't think the Bible explicitly says that.

Matthew 22:30 tells us about the holy angels in heaven. I'm just not convinced it settles what rebellious angels may have done.

I'm not saying the angelic view is definitely correct, only that I don't think Scripture rules it out as clearly as you suggest.

Why do you assume Fallen Angels are able to create a physical body... and with the equipment? That will equate being able to create.