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need help to prove to my church that heavy metal rock is not bad

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hey! at church 1 day GOD spoke to me i feel like he was saying " go out there and prove to ur church that all music styles can worship me" my dad told me if i can convince him then i can sing ANY thousand foot krutch song at church and he would help me convince the staff to.plz help me my dad is a freaking SUPER CHRISTIAN 4col ( for crying out loud). i need lots of help i am trying to get as much advice as i can get and 2bh (to be honest) this is the hardest thing satan has ever thrown at me i have to freaking convince my ENTIRE CHURCH THAT HARD ROCK AINT BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is really important to me and i need lots of help. I feel so strongly about this that i came to TEARS about it and i am a really hard shell to break
 
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take the lyrics of one of their songs and explain how they praise God.
see if you can match them up to scripture and prove or disprove them.
try to show how God is glorified by what the song says.

(***hint*** "Lift It" might be a good TFK song to look at..)
 
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Sorry Ichthus, I don't know if there is much we can do to help. Maybe you should just enjoy rock yourself and not worry about what other believers think. Do you need their approval? Or God's?

The truth is that many believers are turned off to rock and roll music and most want to worship God in other forms of music. That is just something you need to accept.

Peace and blessings
 
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Sorry Ichthus, I don't know if there is much we can do to help. Maybe you should just enjoy rock yourself and not worry about what other believers think. Do you need their approval? Or God's?

The truth is that many believers are turned off to rock and roll music and most want to worship God in other forms of music. That is just something you need to accept.

Peace and blessings
If one of you says to them, "Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,"
but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it?

(James 2:16)

good job on taking away her hope and doing nothing to help. =\

the forum won't let me post links until i've spammed them with 90 more unnecessary posts (really, a post count trigger for ability to post links?)

so my reply is "under review by moderators"

but she is not asking for help to make her family like rock music. but to understand that it can praise God, and that judging it by it's carnal sound is carnal judgement.

it is easy -- look, does Psalm 117 praise God? yes?
why do we say Psalm 117 praises God? because of the sound played while it is read or sung? of course not.
it praises God because of the content of the lyrics -- "
O praise the Lord, all you nations!"

now because i can't post links -- go search the internet for a band called "
Deuteronomium" and look for them playing Psalm 117, set to extreme heavy metal music.

maybe you do not like the sound - maybe it does not "
tickle your ears" -- but the Psalm is unchanged! the lyrics and intent of the song is still to praise God.
the song still praises God.

because you are offended by a loud noise does not mean God is not praised.
because you are offended by a gruff voice does not mean God is not praised.
all it means is that your ears are not pleased.
"praising God" has nothing to do with whether or not i please your ears.

there, see, it is not hard. please reply if you want help talking about any specific song :)



 
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thanx! i really need help my family is ok with TFK it is just not their favorite band. i think that my dad is actually testing me for practice to dee if i can take on the church staff
 
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Most people do not understand that satan does not create anything......he only distorts or corrupts......God created music. All music no matter what style. Whether we like certain styles of music or not, God created them......that means God also created heavy metal. I like most....some I don't.....it comes down to personal preference.......so just like everything else God created, the devil corrupts. Basically....if the message in the music glorifies God.....then it is a good thing..1 Peter 4:11....If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
If you minister through music.....and have the ability given by God.....Sounds to me like you have Gods permission to do so......
 
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Most people do not understand that satan does not create anything......he only distorts or corrupts......God created music. All music no matter what style. Whether we like certain styles of music or not, God created them......that means God also created heavy metal. I like most....some I don't.....it comes down to personal preference.......so just like everything else God created, the devil corrupts. Basically....if the message in the music glorifies God.....then it is a good thing......If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God; if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth: that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ, to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
If you minister through music.....and have the ability given by God.....Sounds to me like you have Gods permission to do so......
Woah, woah, woah there partner…… hold on just a second.
let's take another look at this one:

[Lecture]

"God created music."​

True, God did create music. So far so Good.
But then you used this logic:

God created music, and heavy metal is music, therefore God necessarily created heavy metal

"All music no matter what style. Whether we like certain styles of music or not, God created them......that means God also created heavy metal."​

But that's not true. God certainly created the capability for heavy metal music, but it would be amiss to say that he actually intentionally created heavy metal itself. God created music and men have worked with that to create their own styles of music, one of those being heavy metal.

Let's look at a similar example:

God created sex (True statement, he created males and female with the capability and desire). Pornography is sex (True, pornograpy is sex).
So: God created sex, and pornography is sex, therefore God created pornography….

Mmmm….. I see a problem there.

I think it's better to say, God created men with intellects and lots of raw material, and men have devised many of their own evil inventions over time. Not everything they have come up with is pure evil, but some of it is. So just because Heavy metal is a style of music, doesn't mean that God created it. I don't think he's the least bit surprised men came up with it though.

[/Lecture]
 
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I'd take a different tack. I'm old now, but when I was a teen it was a matter of using 'canned' (recorded) music in worship over against live music - the gist was that only 'live' music could actually be 'live' worship. I think it might help if you personalise what you're trying to introduce. I know Thousand Foot Krutch, and esp. Trevor McNevan have Christian testimonials of their walk in faith. Knowing the music comes from a place of Christian experience and devotion may help with accepting it as a valid worship form.
 
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I'd take a different tack. I'm old now, but when I was a teen it was a matter of using 'canned' (recorded) music in worship over against live music - the gist was that only 'live' music could actually be 'live' worship. I think it might help if you personalise what you're trying to introduce. I know Thousand Foot Krutch, and esp. Trevor McNevan have Christian testimonials of their walk in faith. Knowing the music comes from a place of Christian experience and devotion may help with accepting it as a valid worship form.
I like grit....

But there's nothin better than reformed grit!

=)
 
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hey! at church 1 day GOD spoke to me i feel like he was saying " go out there and prove to ur church that all music styles can worship me" my dad told me if i can convince him then i can sing ANY thousand foot krutch song at church and he would help me convince the staff to.plz help me my dad is a freaking SUPER CHRISTIAN 4col ( for crying out loud). i need lots of help i am trying to get as much advice as i can get and 2bh (to be honest) this is the hardest thing satan has ever thrown at me i have to freaking convince my ENTIRE CHURCH THAT HARD ROCK AINT BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this is really important to me and i need lots of help. I feel so strongly about this that i came to TEARS about it and i am a really hard shell to break
If you believe that God said that, then do it! There are 3 things we struggle with sometimes as believers. When it comes to discernment ~
1. Is it from God
2.Is it from me
3. or Is it from the enemy.

It's a good exercise in faith.

Peace!
 
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Is it the music or the imagery many of these Heavy Metal bands display by what they wear, how they act and the reputation the media grants them in order to sell the image they project.

It is hard to sell godly people the benefits of a music style when so many of these performers act the way they do.

Imagery is a very powerful tool that can work for or against you. Many of these people bring forth the specter of death, disease and deviltry. That doesn't really set well with some people.
 
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The type of music which is considered acceptable depends on its audience. Gospel music is a mixture of Country, Folk, Bluegrass, and Jazz. Taken to extreme, Rock, Heavy Metal, and Rap. I've listened to Christian Heavy Metal and the lyrics were gibberish in the sense I had great difficulty hearing them correctly. Your dad may not have a problem with TFK, but I seriously doubt a church would be won over. I listened to two songs on their Oxygen album, Born This Way, and War of Change. While there is nothing in the lyrics my mother can't listen to, I wouldn't consider them songs to be played in a Church environment.

I agree a genre in itself isn't necessarily bad, but it depends on the type of audience it's aimed at. And, that's where the real danger lies. If you have seen the movie, Sister Act and its successor, the producers took a selection of secular songs and skillfully fit them into a worship setting. No harm done as they sounded genuine. But, those songs were never meant for that environment as they have zero beneficial spiritual content in them.
 

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