Moses - what's Egypt's story?

[Frederick]

Moses' exodus out of Egypt is well documented - five books and the founding of the Jewish faith make it the understatement of the century in fact.
Thus said, how are these events realyed or explained by Egyptian scolars or historians - I mean, they can't really ignore what took place, can they?

 

[stephen]

Moses' exodus out of Egypt is well documented - five books and the founding of the Jewish faith make it the understatement of the century in fact

An excellent and profound statement brother. Indeed the facts shout so loud we must assume folks are deaf.

All they seem to talk about are the fantasies of modern life.

Keep preaching it my friend. And I sincerely pray His Blessing as you you go....in Jesus

 

[Property Of God]

Being raised in Egypt, no one ever denied anything in the O.T, it's the exact opposite, they teach it at schools, even muslims believe in the O.T by the way.

I'm not sure why you assumed otherwise?

 

[Frederick]

Being raised in Egypt, no one ever denied anything in the O.T, it's the exact opposite, they teach it at schools, even muslims believe in the O.T by the way.

I'm not sure why you assumed otherwise?

Straight lack of knowledge, I'm afraid. In Cecil B. DeMill's classic film The Ten Commandments starring the late Charlton Heston - a film that could never be bettered or equalled, as Moses is being led away in chains, his father, or the one he grew up assuming it to be his father says: "Let the name of Moses be struck from every tablet in the city..." Granted, this may well have been done purely for dramatic effect, and there are several inconsistancies between the film and the Bible, but I, obviously wrongly, assumed this to mean that Moses was not to be acknowledged or mentioned ever again by any of their historians, and a different version of events be recorded in their records.

As pennance to my lack of knowledge, I have decided to read two chapters every nightof Moses right the way through to his death on Mount Nbo (Deuteronony 34). I am quite serious about this - it takes in a total of 169 chapters which will take me twelve weeks, reading and absorbing just two chapters per evening, cross referencing them occasionally. It will also get me into the right frame of mind, as I do not read the Bible nearly enough. When I do, it is mainly the four gospels and the Acts as well. Most people ignore the Old Testament, feeling it is irrelevent, but this is most certainly not the case where it comes to fornication and homosexuality. God speaks out against such things in ringing tones so when our own Archbishop of Canterbury comes out with his hand-wringing bilge about the rights of gay clergymen and says:"Well, it's alright so long as they promise to be celebate..." it makes me retch, but that's a different matter.

Once again' let me thank you for enlightening me.

 

[stephen]

I have decided to read two chapters every nightof Moses right the way through to his death on Mount Nbo (Deuteronony 34). I am quite serious about this - it takes in a total of 169 chapters which will take me twelve weeks, reading and absorbing just two chapters per evening, cross referencing them occasionally.

I wish you well in this brother. You will be a wiser man as you complete.


"The LOrd buried Moses in a valley, in the land of Moab and no man knoweth of his sepulcher even to this day"

In the burial of Moses, and the anonymity of the where-abouts thereof, I am sure God did not want Israel making pilgrimages to such.

Unlike the Muslim and the lifeless Mecca....Indeed

"Our hope is built on nothing less, than Jesus blood and righteousness
I dare not trust the sweetest frame, but wholly lean on Jesus Name.
On Christ the solid rock I stand, all other ground is sinking sand
All other ground is sinking sand".

Return and tell us about Moses, and how he images Jesus....

 

[Maureen]

I was especially taken when Moses would not declare that Sarah was his wife but said her to be his sister
Genesis 20 v 2
And Abraham said of Sarah his wife, She is my sister: and Abimelech king of Gerar sent, and took Sarah.
then Genesis 20 v 12
And yet indeed she is my sister; she is the daughter of my father, but not the daughter of my mother; and she became my wife.

when he admitted that she was his wife.

She really was a half sister, so all in all he was telling the truth, would you not say so? Although she was also his wife.

What is this about not telling the full truth is not really lying, do you think that is correct?
it is something to do with J.W. teaching of Rahab, when she hid the 2 spies.

I have just been reading up to and around the time of Moses death myself, Fredrick, didn't take on what you are though, did that a long time ago, but would need to repeat it though for sure.

 

[Janette]

The Exodus Decoded

Recently the History Channel had a documentary on it called "The Exodus Decoded"

Now -- it's the History Chennel so don't expect a testimony of the power of the Lord...but still.

It does an *amazing* job of putting together all the historical data we *do* have and it proves the Exodus *did* happen -- it even lays out the physical chain of events that God used to create the 10 plagues (yes they can even explain the 10th).

At first that may make you twitchy as they try to explain it all away as "science rather than God" but when you stop to remember that Moses was prophetically saying every step of the way what would happen next it's *still* quite the miracle ... and so what if God uses a little of the physical science He created?

The *problem* is the calendar -- you have to adjust the dates a bit (up 50 years here back 100 there..etc). Biblical scholars don't like to do that because they like to pretend that we have everything pinned down to the minute (we don't).

If you think about it in terms of digging through rubble, moving up or down just 20 years in a timeline can *drastically* change (or eliminate) evidence you'd otherwise find. It doesn't help that the scholars who settled on Ramses II really didn't do the intricate mathematics necessary to count along a *lunar* calendar (and God's calendar that was given for us to use in Scripture is lunar, not solar).

I remember my anthropology professor in college having a good laugh about how that particular thing was handled in university circles. Instead of assuming they had the wrong date they said "well there's no evidence here -- so the exodus didn't happen" -- it would be like me saying "well there's no nuclear bomb in my fridge, so America never bombed Japan."

It makes far more sense to just assume Ramses II was *not* the guy in charge during the Exodus, so his reign lacks any Egyptian reference to the Exodus.

In fact, if you quit sticking so tightly to the dates and kings people *want* you to swallow, then you find out there was an Egyptian king named Ahmoshe -- which means something about the strength of the moon in egyptian -- but means "the brother of moses" in Hebrew. From there the rest really just falls into place. He left all sorts of records about the revolts and slave uprisings going on in his kingdom. The egyptian story ends with him "heroically expelling" the uprisers from his lands for the sake of his people....

Granted because it's a secular documentary they don't give God credit for anything they find -- but for those who know God was behind it all it makes for a wonderful explanation of timelines and such.

 

[Maureen]

It never ceases to amaze me the way they speak in 'billions of years,'
and your so right they won't give our God credit for anything on those programmes, how sad.

But it is those who will reap the consequences.