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"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters,
proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from
such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive
silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
8. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist
the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith."
Verses 2 to 4 list several personality traits which can be seen to describe
people in what was called the Me Generation of the seventies and
eighties and beyond. The core of this group of personality
characteristics are selfishness, self-preoccupation, self-love,
self-esteem, pride, a desire to serve self and not others, belief that
one has a right to be served by others, that the self is a collection
of "needs" that must be fulfilled, and that one's appearance or image
is all-important.
A personality trait of a correlate cluster, which can be called
the reduction of the self to desires, feelings and conditioning can be
found in Paul's list above. "Lovers of pleasure more than lovers of
God" fits in here. "Covetous" can be a trait that goes along with
selfishness.
But - verse 5, "having a form of godliness, but denying the power
thereof," verse 7, "ever learning, and never able to come to the
knowledge of the truth, " and verse 8, about these people being like
Jannes and Jambres who withstood Moses, who resist the truth and are
of reprobate minds concerning the faith are traits of Christian
apostasy. These traits imply that once this Christian community, now
described by Paul in these verses, had the true faith and were
faithful to the truth in doctrines.
In the rebellion against the older American culture - and the
counterculture - there are at least four major strands of rebellion
against the older culture of absolute
truth and morality, based on the patriarchal authority of God. These
are:
l. An Increase in Selfishness and Self-Preoccupation.
2. The Revolt Against Christianity, Especially Opposing Christian Morality
3. The Reduction of the Human To Desire, Feeling and Conditioning,
that is the "killing" of any development of man's third part, which is
his spirit, developed in him by the Holy Spirit..
4. The Denial of what George Orwell Called Objective Reality. The new
culture of Transformational Marxism teaches that there may be no
agreed upon reality outside your
individual mind against which your statements can be checked to see if
you are telling lies or not. In the drug movement the idea that one
creates his own reality was taught by Tim Leary, Ken Kesey, Richard
Alpert and other leaders.
What George Orwell meant by the denial of objective reality comes very
close to the rejection of absolute truth and absolute morality by the contemporary dialectic
mind.
So, as Benjamin Bloom, who wrote the two volume book on the Taxonomy
of Educational Goal Objectives, by which all teachers must be
certified, said "“We recognize the point of view that
truth and knowledge are only relative and that there are no hard and
fast truths which exist for all time and places.” (Benjamin Bloom, et
al., Taxonomy of Educational Objectives, Book 1, Cognitive Domain)
"In the eyes of the dialectical philosophy, nothing is established for
all time, nothing is absolute or sacred." (Karl Marx)
More than in the older culture based upon facts and the authority of
the Bible, the new
culture after the sixties and seventies tended to consider many facts
and truths as opinions,
including the Word of God. The availability of so many different
verse wordings in so many
English translations, with two different Greek texts, contributed at
this time in the church to this new regard of the verses of the Bible
as being opinions, and especially any interpretation of verses was
seen as opinion.
Many of the personality traits in verses 2 through 4 do agree with
those traits of the Me Generation of the sixties and seventies - and
later - seen by observers who are social scientists. But - this does
not necessarily mean that Paul's prophecy is just about personality
traits of people in the worldly culture. Since that worldly culture
has invaded the Christian community since the sixties or seventies
and is part of the falling away of II Thessalonians 2: 3, then Paul's
prophecy can be seen to be about the personality traits of people both
in the worldly culture and in the churches.
I John 2:15-16 says "Love not the world, neither the things that are
in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not
in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the
lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is
of the world."
A major reason why those in the churches in the last days have many of
the personality traits described here by Paul is because the churches
have incorporated much from the worldly culture surrounding them - and
many in the churches are not born again or changed very much. This
does not mean, however, that the Christian church after the seventies
grew up out of the counterculture, as did the Jesus Freaks, or that
the counterculture somehow gave birth to the end time church. Rather,
some influences in the worldly culture inspired both the
counterculture and the origin of the II Timothy church.
Does not end time Bible prophecy show that there will come a time when
those who claim to be Christians will follow false doctrines?
II Thessalonians 2: 3 says "Let no man deceive you by any means: for
that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and
that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"
Luke 13: 21 on the leavening of the church says "It is like leaven,
which a woman took and hid
in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened." The word till
indicates the leavening occurs over time.
Paul in I Corinthians 5:6-7 warns that "Know ye not that a little
leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7. Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as
ye are unleavened."
He is warning that a little bit of false doctrine will grow and
contaminate the entire loaf, that is, a little bit of false doctrine
will increase over time and make an entire ministry impure in its
teachings.
"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many." Matthew 24: 11
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some
shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and
doctrines of devils;" I Timothy 4: 1
"But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and
being deceived." II Timothy 3: 13.
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but
after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having
itching ears;" II Timothy 4: 3
"And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be
turned unto fables." II Timothy 4: 4
Not only will the II Timothy church after the falling away of II
Thessalonians 2: 3-4 and the leavening of Luke 13: 21, till the whole
is leavened, claim that there are "non-essentials" of Biblical
doctrine that they do not have to follow, but they make up some of
their own doctrines and/or follow false man-made theologies developed
in the 19th century, leaning to man's own understanding. When
the New
Testament uses the word doctrine, it often means all the doctrines
given by Christ and through his Apostles. And Paul was given
revelation by the risen Christ (Acts 26: 15-18) , which Paul wrote as
several doctrines in his letters.
End time Bible prophecy clearly shows a departure from sound doctrine.
And so it would not be surprising if the II Timothy Church, or many
churches, would make end time Bible prophecy a non-essential set of
doctrines, and church members might even be discouraged from studying
it.
Revelation 16: 12-14 says: "And the sixth angel poured out his vial
upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up,
that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. And I saw
three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon,
and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false
prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which
go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather
them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."
This is saying that demon spirits are released which operate through
the mouth, or words of the beast and the false prophet. But the beast
and the false prophet are metaphoric constructs, and not single
individuals, which is one of the fables mentioned by Paul in II
Timothy 4: 4. In addition, the battle which these demon spirits,
inspiring the many false prophets, are to gather the world to is not a
literal, military-type battle, often called the battle of Armageddon
(Revelation 16: 16). Rather, this battle is spiritual, and is between
the huge number of false prophets or false teachers and that remnant
which is found in Revelation 12: 17, and those called the Overcomers
in Revelation 2: 7, 17 and Revelation 3: 5, 12 and 21. The verses for Revelation Two are seven and seventeen, and the verses for Revelation Three are five, twelve and twenty-one.
And the large number of false teachers which come against the truth of
Jesus Christ is metaphorically called an army in scripture. Jeremiah
51: 51-53 says "We are confounded, because we have heard reproach:
shame hath covered our faces: for strangers are come into the
sanctuaries of the LORD's house. Wherefore, behold, the days come,
saith the LORD, that I will do judgment upon her graven images: and
through all her land the wounded shall groan. Though Babylon should
mount up to heaven, and though she should fortify the height of her
strength, yet from me shall spoilers come unto her, saith the LORD."
Babylon is a metaphor for apostate religion - including Christianity - and the corrupt worldly culture surrounding it. The strangers who have come into the sanctuaries of the Lord's house are the army of false teachers. In the next verse the Lord says he will do judgment upon her graven images, not a judgment limited to Babylon's love of graven images, but to her love of false doctrines and practices as well.
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters,
proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God;
5 Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from
such turn away.
6 For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive
silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts,
7 Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth."
8. Now as Jannes and Jambres withstood Moses, so do these also resist
the truth: men of corrupt minds, reprobate concerning the faith."
Verses 2 to 4 list several personality traits which can be seen to describe
people in what was called the Me Generation of the seventies and
eighties and beyond. The core of this group of personality
characteristics are selfishness, self-preoccupation, self-love,
self-esteem, pride, a desire to serve self and not others, belief that
one has a right to be served by others, that the self is a collection
of "needs" that must be fulfilled, and that one's appearance or image
is all-important.
A personality trait of a correlate cluster, which can be called
the reduction of the self to desires, feelings and conditioning can be
found in Paul's list above. "Lovers of pleasure more than lovers of
God" fits in here. "Covetous" can be a trait that goes along with
selfishness.
But - verse 5, "having a form of godliness, but denying the power
thereof," verse 7, "ever learning, and never able to come to the
knowledge of the truth, " and verse 8, about these people being like
Jannes and Jambres who withstood Moses, who resist the truth and are
of reprobate minds concerning the faith are traits of Christian
apostasy. These traits imply that once this Christian community, now
described by Paul in these verses, had the true faith and were
faithful to the truth in doctrines.
In the rebellion against the older American culture - and the
counterculture - there are at least four major strands of rebellion
against the older culture of absolute
truth and morality, based on the patriarchal authority of God. These
are:
l. An Increase in Selfishness and Self-Preoccupation.
2. The Revolt Against Christianity, Especially Opposing Christian Morality
3. The Reduction of the Human To Desire, Feeling and Conditioning,
that is the "killing" of any development of man's third part, which is
his spirit, developed in him by the Holy Spirit..
4. The Denial of what George Orwell Called Objective Reality. The new
culture of Transformational Marxism teaches that there may be no
agreed upon reality outside your
individual mind against which your statements can be checked to see if
you are telling lies or not. In the drug movement the idea that one
creates his own reality was taught by Tim Leary, Ken Kesey, Richard
Alpert and other leaders.
What George Orwell meant by the denial of objective reality comes very
close to the rejection of absolute truth and absolute morality by the contemporary dialectic
mind.
So, as Benjamin Bloom, who wrote the two volume book on the Taxonomy
of Educational Goal Objectives, by which all teachers must be
certified, said "“We recognize the point of view that
truth and knowledge are only relative and that there are no hard and
fast truths which exist for all time and places.” (Benjamin Bloom, et
al., Taxonomy of Educational Objectives, Book 1, Cognitive Domain)
"In the eyes of the dialectical philosophy, nothing is established for
all time, nothing is absolute or sacred." (Karl Marx)
More than in the older culture based upon facts and the authority of
the Bible, the new
culture after the sixties and seventies tended to consider many facts
and truths as opinions,
including the Word of God. The availability of so many different
verse wordings in so many
English translations, with two different Greek texts, contributed at
this time in the church to this new regard of the verses of the Bible
as being opinions, and especially any interpretation of verses was
seen as opinion.
Many of the personality traits in verses 2 through 4 do agree with
those traits of the Me Generation of the sixties and seventies - and
later - seen by observers who are social scientists. But - this does
not necessarily mean that Paul's prophecy is just about personality
traits of people in the worldly culture. Since that worldly culture
has invaded the Christian community since the sixties or seventies
and is part of the falling away of II Thessalonians 2: 3, then Paul's
prophecy can be seen to be about the personality traits of people both
in the worldly culture and in the churches.
I John 2:15-16 says "Love not the world, neither the things that are
in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not
in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the
lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is
of the world."
A major reason why those in the churches in the last days have many of
the personality traits described here by Paul is because the churches
have incorporated much from the worldly culture surrounding them - and
many in the churches are not born again or changed very much. This
does not mean, however, that the Christian church after the seventies
grew up out of the counterculture, as did the Jesus Freaks, or that
the counterculture somehow gave birth to the end time church. Rather,
some influences in the worldly culture inspired both the
counterculture and the origin of the II Timothy church.
Does not end time Bible prophecy show that there will come a time when
those who claim to be Christians will follow false doctrines?
II Thessalonians 2: 3 says "Let no man deceive you by any means: for
that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and
that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"
Luke 13: 21 on the leavening of the church says "It is like leaven,
which a woman took and hid
in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened." The word till
indicates the leavening occurs over time.
Paul in I Corinthians 5:6-7 warns that "Know ye not that a little
leaven leaveneth the whole lump?
7. Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as
ye are unleavened."
He is warning that a little bit of false doctrine will grow and
contaminate the entire loaf, that is, a little bit of false doctrine
will increase over time and make an entire ministry impure in its
teachings.
"And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many." Matthew 24: 11
"Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some
shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and
doctrines of devils;" I Timothy 4: 1
"But evil men and seducers shall wax worse and worse, deceiving, and
being deceived." II Timothy 3: 13.
"For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but
after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having
itching ears;" II Timothy 4: 3
"And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be
turned unto fables." II Timothy 4: 4
Not only will the II Timothy church after the falling away of II
Thessalonians 2: 3-4 and the leavening of Luke 13: 21, till the whole
is leavened, claim that there are "non-essentials" of Biblical
doctrine that they do not have to follow, but they make up some of
their own doctrines and/or follow false man-made theologies developed
in the 19th century, leaning to man's own understanding. When
the New
Testament uses the word doctrine, it often means all the doctrines
given by Christ and through his Apostles. And Paul was given
revelation by the risen Christ (Acts 26: 15-18) , which Paul wrote as
several doctrines in his letters.
End time Bible prophecy clearly shows a departure from sound doctrine.
And so it would not be surprising if the II Timothy Church, or many
churches, would make end time Bible prophecy a non-essential set of
doctrines, and church members might even be discouraged from studying
it.
Revelation 16: 12-14 says: "And the sixth angel poured out his vial
upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up,
that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared. And I saw
three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon,
and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false
prophet. For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which
go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather
them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty."
This is saying that demon spirits are released which operate through
the mouth, or words of the beast and the false prophet. But the beast
and the false prophet are metaphoric constructs, and not single
individuals, which is one of the fables mentioned by Paul in II
Timothy 4: 4. In addition, the battle which these demon spirits,
inspiring the many false prophets, are to gather the world to is not a
literal, military-type battle, often called the battle of Armageddon
(Revelation 16: 16). Rather, this battle is spiritual, and is between
the huge number of false prophets or false teachers and that remnant
which is found in Revelation 12: 17, and those called the Overcomers
in Revelation 2: 7, 17 and Revelation 3: 5, 12 and 21. The verses for Revelation Two are seven and seventeen, and the verses for Revelation Three are five, twelve and twenty-one.
And the large number of false teachers which come against the truth of
Jesus Christ is metaphorically called an army in scripture. Jeremiah
51: 51-53 says "We are confounded, because we have heard reproach:
shame hath covered our faces: for strangers are come into the
sanctuaries of the LORD's house. Wherefore, behold, the days come,
saith the LORD, that I will do judgment upon her graven images: and
through all her land the wounded shall groan. Though Babylon should
mount up to heaven, and though she should fortify the height of her
strength, yet from me shall spoilers come unto her, saith the LORD."
Babylon is a metaphor for apostate religion - including Christianity - and the corrupt worldly culture surrounding it. The strangers who have come into the sanctuaries of the Lord's house are the army of false teachers. In the next verse the Lord says he will do judgment upon her graven images, not a judgment limited to Babylon's love of graven images, but to her love of false doctrines and practices as well.
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