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@ B-A-C -- let's try applying some common sense. That is applying to a very different set of circumstances and I think you know that. Rev. 14:9 -10 -- the person who Does receive the mark of the beast shall also drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out full strength into the cup of His indignation. He shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels and in the presence of the Lamb.

I do know of at least two people who are not planning to take the vaccine. And there are probably more. I don't plan to take either one.
 
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At Bible study last evening, the comment was made that God Does put his chosen people in office for His reasons.
That's a red herring, as God has "his chosen people" all over the place- - nothing unique about seeing a few in government (remember Joseph in Egypt?).

And that Maybe this present administration is being allowed to wake us up.
It's far far worse than that. When the people reject God as their leader, he gives them over to the consequences of their decision (recall the book of Samuel, in their rejection of the heavenly King in favor of an earthly king...).

What really is important to Us -- as we the people.
...another misunderstood use of the hackneyed phrase, "we the people" - ala the religion of humanism in action.

[This country has had really good leadership and really Poor leadership.
Rather, there is only one Lawgiver.

To elaborate a bit, the USA is a corporation, at law, a dead thing. And people can talk all they want to about a Christian Constitution, but they will never be able to get around the fact that God is not even mentioned in it.

God never commanded people to obey the kings of Israel when those kings turned their backs on him. Our Father put those people into captivity for their disobedience towards him! And he does the same today. The Nazi's at Nuremberg said, "Well, I was just doing my job. I was obeying the government." It's an error to believe that whatever the State says is okay "because it's ordained of God." For those who are true followers of Christ Jesus, the government is on his shoulders (Isaiah 9:6), He is the King of kings, and the government is the Kingdom of God. It's a government of peace and the only government that will not end:

Isaiah 9:7, "Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end,"

All man-made governments come to an end, so they are obviously not the "higher power." We have to obey the government that's always been here and always will be here.

In reply to the blind opinion that all kings, princes, and governments are set up and "ordained" by God, we will quote the following passage, which is spoken into the ears of Hosea by God Almighty himself. We pray that those who have eyes to see and ears to hear will no longer engage in such opinions:

Hosea 8:4, "They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not."

Also,

Psalms 2:1-3, "Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us."

There's no Godly ordination there.

In rereading that Romans 13 passage -- I don't see an 'exclusion' clause. Look at those 1st two verses. vs 2 "Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinances of God, and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves."
There is no "exclusion clause" - just the pure truth. Here are the first two verses from my uncopyrighted Holy Bible:

Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. -- Romans 13:1-2

It Kind of sounds like -- the way in which You want to interpret Scripture.
You well know that "kind of sounds like" won't cut it with the Most High God.

We find it easy to obey laws / rules that we agree with, but Not so much when we Don't agree.
No man can serve two masters! Rather, the point is, make your calling and election sure (2 Peter 1:10), because one form of obedience leads to life, the other to death:

Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness? -- Romans 6:16

Kind of like traffic laws. They are in place to prevent chaos on our streets, highways. Okay -- so once in a while we're in a Hurry -- no traffic in our way -- so we Speed. Not hurting anyone. But then there's that pesky high way patrol who came up 'out of nowhere'. And we get stopped and have to pay that speeding ticket. So -- IF we'd obeyed the law, we would Not have gotten stopped. And had a fine to pay.
The reason you "had a fine to pay" was because you had voluntarily submitted to that worldly authority. But again, no man can serve two masters! So THIS is why the vast majority find themselves in a pickle. They KNOW they're not supposed to be giving life to Caesar's dead thing, but because they don't see any other way to function in this fallen world, they voluntarily join as members OF this fallen world (all the while giving lip service to others with their double minded "in the world but not of the world" line.

And, yes, God IS the One who Does put these people / ruling powers / in their places.
Oh we wish it was so. God merely allows you to experience the consequences of choosing the wrong master. He lets you have the rulers you asked for (again, book of Samuel). Hail, Biden!

If a law is passed that goes Against God's Word -- Then what. Well -- we Can protest Peacefully. We CAN go ahead and ignore and get put in jail.
No, rather, God told us, DON'T TO GO THERE IN THE FIRST INSTANCE. We are to avoid, not evade, the things of the world:

Enter not into the path of the wicked, and go not in the way of evil men. Avoid it, pass not by it, turn from it, and pass away. -- Proverbs 4:14-15

So -- we have our jail ministry. Witness to the person in the cell next to us. Or the person who's our jail roommate. But be prepared for getting beat up or laughed at Or Maybe even Listened to.
For the past 3 years, I have been a member of a prison ministry here. These unbelievers are being absolutely thrashed by a Godless system that they, like the majority, have submitted to.

How many people had been killed for their stand For Jesus Christ -- they pass Peacefully instead of 'kickin and screaming' and their captors can't understand it. That has brought people to Christ -- will people see Christ in us even in the worse of circumstances?
Rather, God's people are destroyed for lack of knowledge.

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children. -- Hosea 4:6

Men in bondage make poor witnesses.
 
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Frustrating, isn't it?

We all discern that something is very wrong with the present system, but we're at a loss about what to do. So we throw up our hands in defeat.

1 Sam 15:22, "Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, and to hearken than the fat of rams."

Being forced to inject substances at the hands of ungodly authority is not God’s idea of a lawful “sacrifice.” Rather, it’s a perfect example of a “sin unto death” - Romans 6:16. We need to listen to the King, and obey him.

But we don't trust God -- we trust Caesar (man's ungodly government), believing he is ordained of God. That belief is in grave error. Caesar, like all governments of men, is God's rod of correction to drive you back to God. And right now, we are reaping the tragic consequences of trying to serve two masters.

Romans 13:3, "rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil." These forced injections are the exact opposite of what constitutes Godly government. And the authority that the majority have submitted themselves to, allowed these turkeys into those positions.

They have no Godly position -- never did. Like the Holy Bible says, they "set themselves." They offer you deceptive benefits packages, and so you go ahead and buy into it and strike hands with these heathen (that's disobedience) and then cry when their "duty" hammer comes down.

It truly breaks my heart -- sometimes it's too much to bear -- to see God's people being destroyed for lack of knowledge. Current Events forums are full of fear mongering posts, and they always cry out for justice, but none will be forthcoming because virtually no one is willing to do what it takes to be in obedience to the King.

So now the so-called Christians are vacillating in a holding pattern, trying to hold out before they too lose their very lives, twisting scripture to justify their selfishness while living their remaining time in fear. Yet, there is always hope. God always makes a way where there seems to be no way. It is the essence of faith. Trust him, truly seek him out, and he will guide your path.

What else to discuss -- other than to commiserate about the pickle we're in? Well, yes, there is hope -- IF we REPENT, God will restore, and he will heal our land. That’s all it would take. Let’s say, the people at USA take one day off, just one day, from the president all the way down to the street sweeper, we all agree to take just one day off and repent. How likely do you think that is gonna happen? Well, then, you’d better prepare for the coming persecution, because it is even now at the door.

Make no mistake, God’s judgment is about to fall on the children of disobedience. Do not be found among them.

If your reaction to being told that there are faults in Caesar's statutes is to rush to defend them, it is because you cannot envision life without them. This is normal for someone who can only see one kingdom: the kingdom of this world. Yet this world is passing away, as are our own bodies. There is only one thing in life more certain than Caesar's taxes. So we are really here as a test of whether we can “see” and then choose those things that have eternal value. Are our energies devoted to laying up earthly treasures, or treasures in heaven? Are we slaves devoted to building the kingdom of this world, or are we seeking first the kingdom of God? We cannot even know where to begin unless we can see God's kingdom, which is the true meaning of being born again.

God in his sovereignty has provided the perfect means of testing whether we can make the distinction between the two kingdoms. Caesar has usurped God's authority, but his kingdom is built entirely with our consent and by using legal fictions. His authority over us is imaginary. We do not have to render ourselves to him unless we believe that we belong to him. Most people believe with all their heart that they do, for they cannot see the alternative. But if you know that you belong to God, along with your labor, your family, and everything else you have, then you will already have a deep-seated unease with the multitude of demands Caesar makes on you.

If this is the case, then make a list of those things that rightly belong to God but you have in ignorance given to Caesar. Then develop a plan of action for returning them to their rightful owner. This is not easy, but it is necessary. You will need to learn much more about God's Law so that you can discern what true obedience requires of you. If you trust the State to provide for your needs rather than trusting God, it should be clear which master you are serving. As no man can serve two masters, you have a choice to make. Scripture is clear that obedience to God comes at a price, and we must first count the cost. But once you can see the eternal kingdom, you will realize that any price is worth it.

Matthew 13:44, "The kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field.”

Anyone who engages in commerce (profiteering; pursuit of mammon) comes under Caesar's jurisdiction (“Caesar” = ungodly government). The merchants, the rich men of the earth, the great men of the earth, are identified with the ungodly authority:

Again, “The kings set themselves, and the rulers take counsel against the Lord and his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us” (Psalm 2:2, 3).

and

“Why did the heathen rage, and the people imagine vain things? The kings of the earth stood up, and the rulers were gathered together against the Lord, and against his Christ.... Lord, behold their threatenings...” (Acts 4:25, 26, 29).

“Israel hath cast off the thing that is good: the enemy shall pursue him. They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not: of their silver and their gold have they made them idols, that they may be cut off” (Hosea 8:3-4).

Yet, many stumble with the reality that there is a counterfeit “authority” seeking our obeisance. Satan said, “I will be like the most High” (Isaiah 14:14).

It is Satan’s “higher power” that is behind the merchants, the rich men of the earth, the present temporal “governing authorities."

Satan is “the god of this world” (2 Cor 4:4), “this present evil world” (Gal 1:4); there is no Godly ordination there.

We have a choice as to which purported authority we submit to and therefore “serve.” God’s authority is above all the “government institutions” of men.

Why does God “allow” ungodly “governments?” What is the purpose of man's law? It is God's rod of correction. God uses man's law to chasten his people. God uses heathens to chasten his people.

We are to place ourselves under God's jurisdiction, living in God's kingdom. And we're not going to be perfect, we may fall and do wrong, but we are to check everything that we're doing. And if we do something that's against God's Word, we repent immediately to renew our mind. That's how we renew our mind, by repenting to the King and saying, "I'm sorry. I did not want to do that. It's a habit, it's the way that I learned in the world. Help break me of that." And he does help us if our heart is truly after him. And if you don't repent, he has the natural man right there as a rod of correction for you, and that's what man's codes, rules and regulations and police power are all about.

If we be without chastisement, we would not be his sons. But he loves us, so God uses a rod of correction to wake the sleeping disciple and get him back on course.

Proverbs 22:15, "Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him."

Proverbs 23:13, "Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die."

The time for the rod of correction would be passed. The time for repentance and restoration is now.
 
Loyal
I do know of at least two people who are not planning to take the vaccine. And there are probably more. I don't plan to take either one.
Why would you not take the vacine Sue? Have you refused all other vacines in tbe past? Flu, measles, mumps, rubella, tb, etc.

Of you have had acines on the past why not this one?

Vacines are made using the talents given to man. For every good think made with the talents from God, I agree the devil can twist them, or peoples minds about them.

I am susseptable to drugs, I can ot have anaesthetic, I cannot take a lot if drugs, I could have an allergic reaction, I could die.

I had discussions with my GP, as I lilke you, wasn't going to have the jab. She said, I suggest ypu think seriously Paul, the risks if ykou get it are far greater than having the covid jab. I thought she is bias, I almost died 25 yearss ago afterbeing prescribed 13 different drugs, I was admitted to an isolation unit, I almost died of liver failure, they called me the yellow man. So I do not trust the medical profession.

But I do trust God, I do put all my faith in Jesus. I prayed and prayed about it and was at peace to have the injection.

I do not fear him who can destroy my body and soul, the Lord is in me and I in him. I am protected through the blood of Christ, I cannot add a day to my life, I go home whenever he calls me.

I had the first injection, today 14.40 GMT I have my second, so does my wife.

Trust in the Lord and lean not on your own understanding.....

Shalom
 
Loyal
@Brother-Paul -- because 'this' is an entirely different situation. We know where COVID came from and why. And it's very controvercial to say the least.

There's one poster who suggests that if I obey government ruling now -- I'd also probably take the mark of the beast. -- told him he was crazy.

I grew up with taking the polio vaccine as well as all the others when we were small and in order to get to school -- same with my kids. But I also know lots of born again believers who Won't get this vaccine -- for a variety of reasons. And lots who have for Their reasons. I was getting a flu shot for a few years through the local school district because my husband was employed and got it free. One year I Did react to it. Felt mildly crummy for quite a while until I could feel it wear off and then felt better. Back some years ago I got upper respiratory goop for about a month. After that I Did get a flu shot -- it kept the goop from progressing to my chest. Since then I haven't had that problem.

I won't take it because the medications that Do work have been 'bad mouthed' and disregarded. COVID is Not an automatic death sentence. People Do die from it. Our pastor did back in October. His wife got really sick and has been on steriods to help her breathe better. And one of the other couples -- they've both had it and gotten better, though his wife has lots of health issues and will probably be on extra oxygen the rest of her life.

My one daughter and husband had it and wasn't all that bad. Their two daughters were fine. They self -quaranteened -- had some good family time together.

Dr.s are being told to claim COVID as causes of death no matter what people are dying of.

So -- each person makes their own choices depending on their own situations.

The concern is not really the immediate reaction to the vaccine -- but the long-range affect.

With all of That in your background, why on earth take it. It's up to you, though.

It's what's In the vaccine that is concerning.

You Do realize -- maybe you don't. The people who are thinking the world is suffering from the over-population Of the world came up with COVID and the vaccines. They've been experimenting with various groups in various countries. Not conspiracy theories, but facts. There are leaders of countries that use their people as guine pigs to try out various means of population control.

COVID 19 -- is the 19th version of the flu bug that has been around for decades.

This has been compared to the Spanish Flu from back in WW1 -- I googled that -- it wasn't originating in Spain. It was just that Spain was the only country being honest about the #s of people dying. That particular flu was deadly within hours of getting it. Apparently spread by spittal -- spitting -- coughing -- in barracks -- out in the fields. Masks were mandated back then -- but were only effective up to a point. And you know where That was traced back to? a part of China.

THIS is Not that kind of flu at all.

And I've also noticed that the comparison To Spanish flu has dropped.

It's seems to be that amongst the 'trusted officials' -- if one thing doesn't do the trick -- something else will be tried.

And, have you noticed that the people being allowed to swarm across the southern border are being housed in close quarters and some are sick. No social distancing at all. And they are being transported all over this country.
Supposedly COVID is spreading quickly. And we wonder why and if it is indeed COVID and not some other non-identified sickness.

this present administration is trying to kill this country. The elderly and already sick people are the 1st.

And now they are trying to get all the kids vaccinated. Parents are being warned Not to.

And my views are Not popular.

I read things on Here and plenty on my FB page.
 
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To my understanding at the time of Christ . The wedding was on the groom today we focus on the bride. Her day Her dress she she she... The groom just kinda goes along because of social pressures of the day and times. As a Christian this is important ,as a Christian marriage should be patterned after Christ and His bride, Starting out , in a miner way on the wrong foot so to speak . O the subtilness of the garden.
 
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Been married 57 years, ring was $5.00 lost it some place :( Dad performed the ceremony . Dad owed my husband 10 so they called the debt even . We did not have a car .. we rode the bus about 3 hours so he could get to work the next day . My sister went up the road and picked a few flowers for a bouquet. The simple $10.00 dress i had bought, for the event, a couple months before did just fine.
 
Loyal
@Brother-Paul -- because 'this' is an entirely different situation. We know where COVID came from and why. And it's very controvercial to say the least.

There's one poster who suggests that if I obey government ruling now -- I'd also probably take the mark of the beast. -- told him he was crazy.

I grew up with taking the polio vaccine as well as all the others when we were small and in order to get to school -- same with my kids. But I also know lots of born again believers who Won't get this vaccine -- for a variety of reasons. And lots who have for Their reasons. I was getting a flu shot for a few years through the local school district because my husband was employed and got it free. One year I Did react to it. Felt mildly crummy for quite a while until I could feel it wear off and then felt better. Back some years ago I got upper respiratory goop for about a month. After that I Did get a flu shot -- it kept the goop from progressing to my chest. Since then I haven't had that problem.

I won't take it because the medications that Do work have been 'bad mouthed' and disregarded. COVID is Not an automatic death sentence. People Do die from it. Our pastor did back in October. His wife got really sick and has been on steriods to help her breathe better. And one of the other couples -- they've both had it and gotten better, though his wife has lots of health issues and will probably be on extra oxygen the rest of her life.

My one daughter and husband had it and wasn't all that bad. Their two daughters were fine. They self -quaranteened -- had some good family time together.

Dr.s are being told to claim COVID as causes of death no matter what people are dying of.

So -- each person makes their own choices depending on their own situations.

The concern is not really the immediate reaction to the vaccine -- but the long-range affect.

With all of That in your background, why on earth take it. It's up to you, though.

It's what's In the vaccine that is concerning.

You Do realize -- maybe you don't. The people who are thinking the world is suffering from the over-population Of the world came up with COVID and the vaccines. They've been experimenting with various groups in various countries. Not conspiracy theories, but facts. There are leaders of countries that use their people as guine pigs to try out various means of population control.

COVID 19 -- is the 19th version of the flu bug that has been around for decades.

This has been compared to the Spanish Flu from back in WW1 -- I googled that -- it wasn't originating in Spain. It was just that Spain was the only country being honest about the #s of people dying. That particular flu was deadly within hours of getting it. Apparently spread by spittal -- spitting -- coughing -- in barracks -- out in the fields. Masks were mandated back then -- but were only effective up to a point. And you know where That was traced back to? a part of China.

THIS is Not that kind of flu at all.

And I've also noticed that the comparison To Spanish flu has dropped.

It's seems to be that amongst the 'trusted officials' -- if one thing doesn't do the trick -- something else will be tried.

And, have you noticed that the people being allowed to swarm across the southern border are being housed in close quarters and some are sick. No social distancing at all. And they are being transported all over this country.
Supposedly COVID is spreading quickly. And we wonder why and if it is indeed COVID and not some other non-identified sickness.

this present administration is trying to kill this country. The elderly and already sick people are the 1st.

And now they are trying to get all the kids vaccinated. Parents are being warned Not to.

And my views are Not popular.

I read things on Here and plenty on my FB page.

Greetings Sue,

I read your post twice, what stood out was... a pastor, google says, Facebook says.

People are so suspicious, so frightened, common sense surly tells us, regardless of what people say...
- the number of issues is minute compared to the massive number injected
- the countries getting on top of the virus are the ones that have done the most jabs
- no one can add a day to their life by worrying
- I trust in the Lord, not a pastor, not google, not facebook.

There is so much confusion about, so many people stirring things up, each must decide for themselves, as for me and my household, we have had the jab.
 
Loyal
There's one poster who suggests that if I obey government ruling now -- I'd also probably take the mark of the beast. -- told him he was crazy.

As much as I respect our dear brother, I don't agree, maybe he would like to elaborate in more detail, keeping everything scripture based.

I do know he has been agaonst the jab from the beginning.

We must all decide for ourselves Sue. If I thought for 1 minute there was any link I would not have had the jab. I was at peace thdlugh prayer.

Bless you
 
Loyal
and the jab

I don't have to trust in the jab Reba1, I trust in the Lord that for me was sufficient.

I have enough risks onmyife due to the fact I cannot take many drugs, weren't know which until they have to be tried, I also cannot take anesthetic, so there are many reasons for me in the flesh to not take the jab.

I trust in the Lord, I cannot add a day to my life, my life is in the bis hands.

If I die I go to be with the Lord, it is a win win situation.

Faith and Trust, there is to much false news flying around, the devil is behind it all.

The countries doing better are those that have injected more people, Israel, UK. The countries doing worst are those who have injected less, India etc.

The number of fatalities is low, the number with blood clots is low, a very small percentage. Every drug has side effects with some people, some more than others, even the flu jab.
 
Loyal
With all of That in your background, why on earth take it. It's up to you, though.

Because I trust in the Lord and lean not on my own understanding, I was at Peace when I prayed about it.

The World is running in fear, fear does not come from God.

The devil is getting desperate, he is stirring things up big time, of people react like this now, how much more they will react as we approach and move into the Tribulation period.

Shalom
 
Loyal
I had the first injection, today 14.40 GMT I have my second, so does my wife.

Trust in the Lord and lean not on your own understanding.....

Shalom

Had second jab yesterday, no problems, even with all my drug issues,I am still here.

UK to 28 April 2021

People vaccinated
First dose total

33,959,908

Second dose total
13,581,076

Vaccinations given
Total

47,540,984

UK population said to be 68 million
 
Loyal
Had second jab yesterday, no problems, even with all my drug issues,I am still here.

UK to 28 April 2021

People vaccinated
First dose total

33,959,908

Second dose total
13,581,076

Vaccinations given
Total

47,540,984

UK population said to be 68 million
"I am still here." [is that a good thing or bad thing]?
 
Loyal
"I am still here." [is that a good thing or bad thing]?

Touch yourself, that will confirm you are here, where ever here is. I cannot confirm whether it is a good or bad thing that you are where ever here is, ask the Lord my friend, he is the only one who knows.

Ask the population of USA and UK are you Christians, up to 90% say yes, many would even say they they are born again.

The only person who can truly answer that question is Jesus, amazing how they don't think to ask him!

Shalom
 

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