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Love is the basis of Christian morality

Since love is total surrender of one self to serve the other, conjugal union becomes an act of love only when the involved parties have totally committed one’s entire life to serve the other, and together as a couple have surrendered them selves by leaving their union open to accepting new human beings. Since total and unconditional surrender of one’s life to another human being occurs only in marriage, for it to be an act of love it must be within a marriage. Since conjugal act is procreative, those involved in this act must accept procreative responsibility. Procreative responsibility is to accept and raise children (that are procreated from such acts) in a family. Children need a father, and a mother, that are united to form one unit of love (which occurs only in marriage), for them to experience love. Without love, their spirit suffers immense trauma; because, love is the very basic need for human beings. When divorced parents try to express love to their children, they do not feel loved, because, in their parents’ disunity they see lack of true love. Deep in their heart they know, that, true love (which is unconditional) never dies, and does not accept one and reject the other. When parents, who are not married (to each other), try to express love to their children, they do not feel loved, because, parental love is experienced only in union, and never in solitude. Love between husband and wife is reflection of God’s love, because we are made in the image of God. God is not solitude, but a family, in which the Father and Son offer their lives to each other, completely, with the Holy Spirit as the love, that binds them. In a human family, husband and wife offer their lives to each other, completely, with Holy Spirit as the love that binds them. Children feel very insecure and broken, when the two people, who brought them into existence, are not united, because, they see their own existence in their parent’s union. When unmarried couples engage in conjugal act, it is selfish, because, they do not have a lifelong commitment to one another. When a commitment is temporary, it has conditions attached to it. It is therefore, not true love. Therefore, adultery and fornication are acts that defile human beings. In addition, because, these acts lack true love, they deprive the couple of true peace. Sexual acts, with the use of contraception or contraceptive methods, lack procreative element. In such acts the possibility of receiving and serving new human beings is deliberately eliminated. Such acts therefore, are against love (who is God) and human life. They therefore, make one human being look at the other as an object to use for pleasure, and take away respect for human life. This removes love from their relationship. It is therefore, one of the reasons for increase in divorce after the popularization of artificial birth control. Oral and anal sex and same sex activity involve union of sexual and gastrointestinal organs, which are physiologically incompatible and non-complementary. Therefore, these activities are unnatural. They are devoid of true love, because, they lack procreative (life giving) element. In addition, same sex activity is harmful to the mind because it involves emotions that are contrary to natural laws. Masturbation also is devoid of love, because it has no unitive or procreative element. Some people feel that same sex activity is justified, because, they feel it expresses love. However, any sexual activity without procreative element is devoid of love, because, it is devoid of service and sacrifice. Just as eating is physiologically nutritive, sex is procreative. Therefore sexual activity devoid of procreative element is similar to bulimia. When human beings rejected God’s natural law and made their own laws, they disturbed the balance in nature, causing imperfections in human mind and body. These imperfections are transmitted from one generation to another. Some of these imperfections are physical, which physicians try to fix. Others have problems of the mind, which psychologists and psychiatrist try to correct. We also have imperfections of the spirit. We cannot say that these imperfections are normal, because, we are born with them. For example some people are born with heart defects. These defects cause grave harm to the people who have them. We do not say that it is normal to have a defective heart. On the contrary, we accept that it is a defective, and try to surgically fix it. Some people have unnatural sexual orientation. We have to realize that it is abnormal and help the person overcome it. We would do a disservice to the person, if we said it was normal to have unnatural sexual orientation and do nothing about it. Similarly, we cannot justify our wrong doings, because, we have tendency to do wrong. We have to work hard to overcome our imperfections. The good news is that we can do it with help of God. In other words, with God’s help we can overcome our imperfections and live a life of pure love.

The very essence of human existence is love, because, we are created in the image of God (who is love) and are a product of God’s love expressed through our parents union of love. Artificial insemination, in-vitro fertilization and cloning procedures therefore, dehumanize human reproduction, by taking the act of unitive love out of it and converting it into a purely cellular process.Furthermore, during in-vitro fertilization and cloning procedures, lethal violence is committed against many human beings, who (as embryos) are discarded. Some of these procedures also deprive the resultant human beings the dignity of knowing their origin (biological parents), causing them grave injustice and psychological trauma. In addition, by taking unitive love out of the procreative process, it dehumanizes unitive love because unitive love is inseparable from human procreation. They are inseparable because conjugal union’s only physiological purpose is procreation. When conjugal union is dehumanized, true love, which is the corner stone of marriage, ceases to exist. This causes division, divorce and turmoil.
Wow that was some post there.. but I do have a few comments on the matter of love, unions. and sex.

Since total and unconditional surrender of one’s life to another human being occurs only in marriage

John 15:13 - Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends

All the Apostles excect John were killed.. this is total surrender of ones life

Our earthly unions is not a total surrender per say... but a submitting one to another..

Ephesians 5:22 Wives submit yourselves unto your own husbands. as unto the Lord 5:25 Husbands, love your wives even as Christ also loved the Church and gave himself for it

Colossians 3:18-19 wives, submit yourselves unto your own husbands. as it is fin in the Lord. Husbands, love your wives, and be not bitter against them

1 Corinthians 7:3 Let the husband render unto the wife due benevolence: and likewise also the wife unto the husband

We cannot totally surender to each other, because that is for the Lord alone. Jesus Christ alone demands that he is first in our life before anything.. Before our spouse children anything..Now out of surrender to Lord comes our fullment of the verses I just posted

Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I but Christ liveith in me and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself to me..

God owns us.. but by total surrender to him alone.. that we could give to no other
1 Corinthians 6:20 - For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's

It may seem like some sort of word play.. but I dont think we should confuse our eartly love and comitment with what is due the Lords

I really dont understand how you can say.. Children of divorced parents do not know love from their parents.?. Parents get divorced from a myrid of reasons.. and to say these children do not know love a disserve to those parents..

THere is no scripture backing this up. saying a unit of love only occurs in marriage.. this is simply not true.. it opens a whole can of worms open to why a divorce occurred in the first place.. and I know some divorced Kids who knew love better then me. When my parents stayed together and did not love each other..

While I do agree a loving family together is the best.. but that is not the end of love if parents are not together..

To sex in the marriage is only for procreation.. well what does the bible say about this..

I corth 7:5 defraud ye not one the other, except be with consent for time..

This is not talking about making babies.. but sex.. and sex only so Satan tempt you not for your incontinency.. which is the end of the verse

Hebrews 13:4 - Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but whoremongers and adulterers God will judge

sex is good and natural for marriage

1 Corinthians 7:9 - But if they cannot contain, let them marry: for it is better to marry than to burn

Paul here is taking about if you cannot control sexual urges then being single is better to marry.. because in marriage the bed is undefiled

also let us not forget the Song of Solomon... which is a very erotic love poem..

God created sex.. and made it a beautifull thing.. to pleasure one another not just making babies..

While I do not agree with birth contol because it can abort fertilzed eggs from emplanting in the tubes.. I see no reason why not to use condomes or simply pull out.. If a married couple cannot afford children at the momment I see no reason why they cannot enjoy sex..

While I can see why anal sex is wrong.. but oral.. well I leave that to couples.. if both are consenting and desire to give pleasure to one another who am I say its wrong... I live that to the Holy Spirit to govern in there lives what a healthy sex if for them..

Masturbation is wrong on alot of levels.. so we agree..

but I would have to whole heartly disagree with alot of your views of love and marriage and sex

In Love

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I did not mean that the only purpose of sex is procreation; I meant, the only physiological purpose of sex is procreation.
You know I had to look at that word...

Physiology.. A branch of biology dealing with the fuctions and fuctioning of living matter and orgainsims

So even in this I would have to disagree... because from your response one who allmost have to take a evolutionary stand point...

It would be something like God created the orgasism as a after thought. and I dont believe that would be right..

Consider the clitorsis of the female antomny... This part of the body serves no other purpose but the orgasim.. I think it shows what a wonderfull design of our father.. Now only did he create our bodies to procreate but allso to feel good.. Those are two seperate entire purposeses yet work together or sperately upon some sad couples

However, any sexual activity without procreative element is devoid of love, because, it is devoid of service and sacrifice. Just as eating is physiologically nutritive, sex is procreative. Therefore sexual activity devoid of procreative element is similar to bulimia

So should people who are biologically incapable of having children refrain from having sex?
As long as a couple are married, and are open to having children (even though they may be incapable of having children), they have the right motive. Their union therefore, can still be an union of love.

but, Love can only be achieved as the basis of Christianity morals AFTER repentance. That's the Christian moral. Because, when you love Jesus with all your heart, with all your soul and with all your mind, you're not just loving but you're obeying him. To obey the Lord is to repent from your sins and to follow him.

Therefore, one cannot say they love God yet practice sin like it's the normal thing to do.

"Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too will love him and show myself to him.” - John 14:21

Sorry if this is irrelevant to this discussion, I was just pointing out something that popped up in my head.
Dear Arunangelo,

Interesting thread but your brothers and sisters in Christ make a valid point. Where is the scripture to back your theory? Are these your thoughts? Did you get this from an author? Theory is theory is theory, but scripture is the bottom line here if I am to take this and witness to new believers.

Your servant in Christ Jesus.