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Life In The Eucharist

Beetow

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When Jesus' flesh and blood are consumed properly, they endow the diners with
eternal life.

John 6:53-54 . . I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man
and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my
blood has eternal life,

Note the grammatical tense of the "has" verb. It's present tense rather than future,
indicating that folks who properly consume Jesus' flesh and blood have eternal now--
no delay and no waiting period.

Now, eternal life is a bullet-proof kind of life, viz: folks need to obtain it just once
and never have to again because eternal life doesn't get old, or wear out, or decay,
or deteriorate; plus, of course, eternal life cannot be killed and/or exterminated like
natural forms of life. Were that not true, then God could be assassinated-- God
could even commit suicide if He wanted to.
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When Jesus' flesh and blood are consumed properly, they endow the diners with
eternal life.

John 6:53-54 . . I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man
and drink his blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my
blood has eternal life,

Note the grammatical tense of the "has" verb. It's present tense rather than future,
indicating that folks who properly consume Jesus' flesh and blood have eternal now--
no delay and no waiting period.

Now, eternal life is a bullet-proof kind of life, viz: folks need to obtain it just once
and never have to again because eternal life doesn't get old, or wear out, or decay,
or deteriorate; plus, of course, eternal life cannot be killed and/or exterminated like
natural forms of life. Were that not true, then God could be assassinated-- God
could even commit suicide if He wanted to.
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Since once eternal life is received is forever once obtained, then Jesus was not talking about communion but His crucifixion, otherwise communion needs only to be taken once.

Throughout most of that chapter starting from John 6:28-40 KJV is Jesus talking about believing in the One He as sent in doing the works of God Himself for how He is the bread of life that gives life to the world and how to receive that bread of life is by coming to & believing in Jesus Christ.

Why the reference to His crucifixion? Those who believe in the preaching of the cross, God is pleased to save them that believe.

1 Corinthians 1:17 For Christ sent me not to baptize, but to preach the gospel: not with wisdom of words, lest the cross of Christ should be made of none effect.
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God....
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save them that believe.

Jesus had explained to Nicodemus for when the born again of the Spirit will happen as after His ascension which is after His crucifixion for whenever anyone believes in Him will have eternal life.

John 3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?
11 Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness.
12 If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?
13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven.
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.


To treat His words as if referring to communion, would be to treat the bread & the wine as idols which the bread & the wine was made by men's hands when we are only to take communion in remembrance of Him of what He has done.

1 Corinthians 10:14 Wherefore, my dearly beloved, flee from idolatry.
15 I speak as to wise men; judge ye what I say.
16 The cup of blessing which we bless, is it not the communion of the blood of Christ? The bread which we break, is it not the communion of the body of Christ?
17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
18 Behold Israel after the flesh: are not they which eat of the sacrifices partakers of the altar?
19 What say I then? that the idol is any thing, or that which is offered in sacrifice to idols is any thing?
20 But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship with devils.
21 Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
22 Do we provoke the Lord to jealousy? are we stronger than he?

How else can we apply this warning below if we believe we are receiving Him again with His Presence in the Eucharist?

2 Corinthians 11:3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.
4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

2 Corinthians 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?
 
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Although Jesus taught his countrymen with words and grammar they easily
understood, his teachings were sometimes very cryptic; for example:

John 6:52 . .The Jews therefore began to argue with one another, saying:
How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I
have spoken to you are spirit and are life." (John 6:63-64

So: in order to properly understand some of Jesus' weird teachings, it's
necessary to decode them by means of a spiritual Enigma machine, so to
speak.

John 6:66 . . From this time many of his disciples turned back and no longer
followed him.

You know, if those folks had just been patient, in time Jesus would've got
around to explaining the meanings of his teachings.

Heb 2:1 . .We must pay more careful attention, therefore, to what we
have heard, so that we do not drift away.

Drifting away suggests a curious crowd that gathers around a soap box to
hear a speaker, and little by little, man by man, boredom sets in: the
audience begins dispersing and people move on to find something else to do.

John 6:67-68 . . You do not want to leave too, do you?" Jesus asked the
twelve. Simon Peter answered him: Lord, to whom shall we go? You have
the words of eternal life.
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Although Jesus taught his countrymen with words and grammar they easily
understood, his teachings were sometimes very cryptic; for example:

John 6:52 . .The Jews therefore began to argue with one another, saying:
How can this man give us his flesh to eat?

"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I
have spoken to you are spirit and are life." (John 6:63-64

So: in order to properly understand some of Jesus' weird teachings, it's
necessary to decode them by means of a spiritual Enigma machine, so to
speak.
I would apply Jesus's words of John 6:63-64 as refuting the mentality of the Jews still looking for bread from Heaven like manna to actually eat as His flesh in John 6:52 since the flesh profits nothing. in John 6:64.

Thus Jesus was speaking symbolically about His crucifixion rather than referring to communion as communion is also referring to His crucifixion in proclaiming the Lord's death in remembrance of Him of what He has done for us.

Thank you for sharing.
 
FAQ: If Jesus' followers obtain eternal life from consuming his flesh and blood, then
why do they continue to die just like everyone else?

REPLY: There's a difference between immortality and eternal life. They aren't

synonyms speaking of one and the same circumstances.

Immortality speaks of a condition that's impervious to death and decay.

Eternal life speaks of timeless existence; for example: God always was, always is,
and always shall be.

FAQ: So eternal life turns people into timeless beings?


REPLY: The eternal life given to Jesus' followers is meant to endow them with the
nature of God, i.e. His qualities; which are quite a level above human nature's
qualities.

2Pet 1:3-4 . . His divine power has given us everything we need for life and
godliness through our knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and
goodness. Through these He has given us His very great and precious promises, so
that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the
corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

That passage in 2nd Peter suggests to me that folks who leave this life deprived of
eternal life, will be stuck with the corruption in the world permanently, viz: they'll
be stuck with human nature which, according to Rom 8.5-8, resists God rather
than conforming to His ways.
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FAQ: If Jesus' followers obtain eternal life from consuming his flesh and blood, then
why do they continue to die just like everyone else?

REPLY: There's a difference between immortality and eternal life. They aren't

synonyms speaking of one and the same circumstances.

Immortality speaks of a condition that's impervious to death and decay.

Eternal life speaks of timeless existence; for example: God always was, always is,
and always shall be.

FAQ: So eternal life turns people into timeless beings?


REPLY: The eternal life given to Jesus' followers is meant to endow them with the
nature of God, i.e. His qualities; which are quite a level above human nature's
qualities.

2Pet 1:3-4 . . His divine power has given us everything we need for life and
godliness through our knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and
goodness. Through these He has given us His very great and precious promises, so
that through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the
corruption in the world caused by evil desires.

That passage in 2nd Peter suggests to me that folks who leave this life deprived of
eternal life, will be stuck with the corruption in the world permanently, viz: they'll
be stuck with human nature which, according to Rom 8.5-8, resists God rather
than conforming to His ways.
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I did a thread a while ago. The nominals has over ran us :eyes:

A lot of “The Children of The Light” are sleeping in “The Light”, “Wake up, Thou That Sleepest” or better yet! “wake up Samson! The Philistines is upon You!
 
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