Leviticus 19:19

[tirapet]

Leviticus 19:19 states "Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee." I am confused about the last part (what is bolded).

So...what we are not supposed to wear? And why? Does this still apply today? And what can we do about it?

 

[RJ]

Leviticus 19:19 states "Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee." I am confused about the last part (what is bolded).

So...what we are not supposed to wear? And why? Does this still apply today? And what can we do about it?

Your are not to worry about it, because you don't live under the Old Covenant and the Law!...You live under your Faith in Grace.

 

[KingdomSeeker]

Leviticus 19:19 states "Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee." I am confused about the last part (what is bolded).

So...what we are not supposed to wear? And why? Does this still apply today? And what can we do about it?

It means God wants His people to wear Haines only.

No Rj is correct, its not for anyone under the New covenant.

Though...allot of people feel the need to go back under the law to get "Intouch" with their "Hebrew roots" ...But this thread isnt about that...hehehe Thread...

 

[tirapet]

Hm, what is under the "Old covenant" and "New covenant?" That part of the verse then would be...irrelevant to us then? Or is it just showing the old way of life?

 

[Iceman]

Old Covenant and New Covenant colloquially mean the covenant of Abraham and the grace of Christ.

In that particular model of Covenant the Law is what makes you a person of God in the Old, and under the New it is the proclaiming of faith in Jesus.

In terms of Scriptural significance though there are several ways to actually interperate the Old Testament.

I myself do not hold to the Old Covenant / New Covenant model. I believe there was only ever one and that was Jesus (Galatians).

Thus my interpretation of the Old Testament is that it is not only prophetic to Jesus, but also historical (these are only primary attributes amongst a range of things the Old Testament is). So that is, we are given a history of God's interaction with humanity, and the prediction of the the incarnation where God and humanity actually intertwine.

In terms of the Levitical laws we see a Jewish understanding of God. That is God is behind several layers of protective purity and to honour him you need to also participate in that purity.

When we come to Jesus, that Levitical Law actually presents a contrast that we should be using to fully appreciate Jesus actions.

For example.

When Jesus touches or is touched by someone who is sick, Levitical law states that Jesus is now unclean.

The added dimension of problem is that Jesus is also God, and God must be kept from what is unclean. The Old Testament tells us that anything unclean entering into God's presence is destroyed.

The interesting thing, is that the Scripture tells us something unexpected happens.

Instead of the unclean person being destroyed, and instead of Jesus being made unclean, that unclean person becomes clean.

 

[Jaareshiah]

Leviticus 19:19 states "Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee." I am confused about the last part (what is bolded).

So...what we are not supposed to wear? And why? Does this still apply today? And what can we do about it?

God’s law to the people of Israel commanded: “You must not wear mixed stuff of wool and linen together.” (Deut 22:11; see also Lev 19:19.) Regarding this, the Encyclopaedia Judaica (Jerusalem, 1973, Vol. 14, col. 1213) remarked: “The clothing of the priests was notably exempt from the prohibition of sha’atnez ["a garment of two sorts of thread", New World Translation]. Exodus 28:6, 8, 15 and 39:29 prescribe that various pieces be made of linen and colored wool interwoven. . . . This suggests that the general prohibition was grounded on the taboo character of such a mixture, pertaining exclusively to the realm of the sacred.”

Thus, the Israelites who were not priests might wear a garment of linen and another of wool but were forbidden by God’s law to wear a garment of two sorts of thread, mixed.

Also, the mixing of different seeds in sowing was not permitted, though seeds of different kinds could be sown, each kind in separate places in the same field. (Lev 19:19; Isa 28:25) This may have been to keep the Israelites mindful of their separateness and distinctness as God’s people, under his Kingship. If an Israelite violated this law, mixing two sorts of seeds, the entire produce of his field or vineyard became as something “devoted.” It was therefore forfeited to the sanctuary.(Deut 22:9; compare Lev 27:28; Num 18:14)

In his dealings with the nation of Israel, Jehovah God decreed that certain things, persons, or even entire cities be placed under a sacred ban, thereby restricting them from any common or profane use. Koehler and Baumgartner define che´rem ("devoted") as a “thing or person devoted (to destruction or sacred use a[nd] therefore secluded from profane use),” and the causative form of the verb cha·ram´ as “banish (by banning . . . seclude from society a[nd] life, devote to destruction).” (Lexicon in Veteris Testamenti Libros, Leiden, 1958, p. 334)

Such devoted things in a sense, therefore, became “taboo” for the Israelites. The related word in Arabic retains a similar meaning till this day. To the Arab Muslims, the sacred territory of Mecca and Medina is considered haram; and the harim of a sheik has long been forbidden ground to all persons other than the master of the harem or his eunuchs.

This principle of separateness at Leviticus 19:19 and Deuteronomy 22:11 is also seen at 2 Corinthians 6:14, 15, in which it says: "Do not become unevenly yoked with unbelievers. For what fellowship do righteousness and lawlessness have ? Or what sharing does light have with darkness ? Further, what harmony is there between Christ and Be´li·al ? Or what portion does a faithful person have with an unbeliever ?"

Thus, any loyal individual to Jehovah God cannot intermix with "unbelievers", not mixing "righteousness and lawlessness", just as the arrangement of not mixing "seeds of two sorts."(Lev 19:19)

Hence, the sacred worship of Jehovah God cannot be mixed with "the world"(John 15:19), of which a part is false religion, unlike the churches who have absorbed and accepted doctrines and teachings that stem from paganism, such as hellfire, immortality of the soul, purgatory, the trinity, the belief that "all roads lead to God", the religious thought that "all good people go to heaven", that the earth is to be burned up.

 

[INRI]

Your are not to worry about it, because you don't live under the Old Covenant and the Law!...You live under your Faith in Grace.

Does this apply to everything that follows in the OT? It sounds like you've just stated that we don't need to keep God's statutes anymore. Any of them?

 

[Boanerges]

The men of the Old Covenant were merely servants. The children of the New Covenant (sons and daughters of God) are to be led of the Holy Spirit. They do not live their lives seeking to conform to a list of do's and don'ts but instead walk in total dependence on and only at the lead of the Holy Spirit.

 

[INRI]

The men of the Old Covenant were merely servants. The children of the New Covenant (sons and daughters of God) are to be led of the Holy Spirit. They do not live their lives seeking to conform to a list of do's and don'ts but instead walk in total dependence on and only at the lead of the Holy Spirit.

Those New Covenant people sound a lot like servants too.

 

[RJ]

Does this apply to everything that follows in the OT? It sounds like you've just stated that we don't need to keep God's statutes anymore. Any of them?

If you wish to look at it that way, then that is exactly what I said.
Please don't misunderstand all of God's Laws that are pertinent today are worthy of aspiring to!

But what God told us was that the Old Covenant was not sufficient enough to save us, if it were, you would have to do all His statutes perfectly and 24/7 for the rest of your life; miss just one, one time and you would loose your salvation. God said that the New Covenant was a more perfect Covenant and where it replaced the first, the first was now abolished as a means to salvation. Again, in the Old Covenant, all the Commands that are appropriate today are worthy of doing, but they are not required for your salvation.

Our salvation comes in our faith (belief) in God's Grace. God's calls this Grace a gift and where it is a gift, it is free and requires nothing for us to do or perform. The Gift of Grace is the death , Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, in that, he died for our sins and his resurrected spirit gives us eternal life and salvation, as his Holy Spirit indwells us.

God has taken everything out of our hands because man can do nothing perfectly and nothing with out the Holy Spirit. The God of perfection has devised a perfect plan for us to become, when we die, perfect and totally in his presence. When he does it all, nothing can go wrong.

 

[RJ]

Those New Covenant people sound a lot like servants too.

Yes, when you become a "Born Again" Christian, God gives you Servant's Heart. It is better to serve and give than receive.

 

[stephen]

Leviticus 19:19 states "Ye shall keep my statutes. Thou shalt not let thy cattle gender with a diverse kind: thou shalt not sow thy field with mingled seed: neither shall a garment mingled of linen and woollen come upon thee." I am confused about the last part (what is bolded).

So...what we are not supposed to wear? And why? Does this still apply today? And what can we do about it?

God wanted to show to men of all ages how important it was from His stand-point to maintain strict segregation of everything, from the minutest seeds to the greatest of His creations - man.

He wanted everything preserved after his kind, so that the distinct colours, types, sizes, and kinds could continue according to His plan, forever.

He thus discouraged cross-breeding of animals, mixing of seeds, and integration of different peoples by commandment in accordance with His fixed and eternal law.

Gen:1.11-12.21,24. Duet:32.8. Acts:17.26.

 

[INRI]

If you wish to look at it that way, then that is exactly what I said.
Please don't misunderstand all of God's Laws that are pertinent today are worthy of aspiring to!

How can you in one breath say that it's now ok for us to eat shellfish and wear mixed garments and have homosexual sex etc. and in the next breath say that we should still aspire to avoid these things? I'm confused. If God's Law is perfect, as you must believe it is, than all of them are still pertinent today.

But what God told us was that the Old Covenant was not sufficient enough to save us, if it were, you would have to do all His statutes perfectly and 24/7 for the rest of your life; miss just one, one time and you would loose your salvation. God said that the New Covenant was a more perfect Covenant and where it replaced the first, the first was now abolished as a means to salvation. Again, in the Old Covenant, all the Commands that are appropriate today are worthy of doing, but they are not required for your salvation.

The Old Covenant had nothing to do with salvation or saving us. When the Law came down it wasn't to save the Jews, it was a way to set the Jews apart...It was so that outsiders would look at their actions and see that they were YHWH's people. There was no salvation involved here, it merely denoted the Jewish culture. The idea of an afterlife (in Heaven or Hell) didn't come into the Judaic texts until well after the Assyrian captivity, when the Jews were introduced to Zoroastrianism. Interestingly, adopting some of the tenets of an outside religion, such as Z'ism is strictly prohibited according to the Law, but Jew, and implicitly Christian alike, have done just that.

I'm also not sure what a "More Perfect covenant" is supposed to mean. This seems like a nonsensical misnomer. The OT states multiple times that God's 1st covenant was/is perfect, irreplaceable, and never to be changed. Sorry, but you can't get more perfect than perfection. If that were possible, than the "perfect" place you were at before was certainly not perfect.

And again, we're running into the same problem of one covenant replacing another "as a means to salvation." The first covenant has nothing to do with salvation. That was never its intent.

Our salvation comes in our faith (belief) in God's Grace. God's calls this Grace a gift and where it is a gift, it is free and requires nothing for us to do or perform.

We need to do nothing, to recieve? Are you saying that we no longer need to keep God's previously perfect tenets? I disagree with this from the very start, as believing is something we must do. The NT states over and over again that we must believe. Those who believe will be saved, the unbeliever walks toward ruin, etc. etc. Belief is an action. We still have a simple quid pro quo transaction between God and man. We believe He saved us, then we are saved by Him.

The Gift of Grace is the death , Burial and Resurrection of Jesus Christ, in that, he died for our sins and his resurrected spirit gives us eternal life and salvation, as his Holy Spirit indwells us.

God has taken everything out of our hands because man can do nothing perfectly and nothing with out the Holy Spirit.

You are shooting yourself in the foot, here. If man can do nothing perfectly, that means we are also incapable of believing perfectly. This calls into question EVERYTHING you have just told me. I don't know why I should believe you, and quite frankly, I don't know how you can trust that you're believing correctly either...seeing as you can do nothing perfectly. You can throw in "the Holy Spirit tells me I'm believing perfectly," if you'd like, but that really just takes this whole discussion one step back. You believe that the Holy Spirit tells you you are believing perfectly...but do you believe Him?...Perfectly? At some point, you've got to realize, you are still fundamentally relying on your own human faculties, because, quite honestly, they're all you've got.

 

[RJ]

How can you in one breath say that it's now ok for us to eat shellfish and wear mixed garments and have homosexual sex etc. and in the next breath say that we should still aspire to avoid these things? I'm confused. If God's Law is perfect, as you must believe it is, than all of them are still pertinent today.I am sorry, but you confuse me, for one: where did I say anything about it being OK to have homosexual sex for "Pete Sake"? And, where was it I said you should avoid shellfish and mixed garments? Are you sure you have the right person?



The Old Covenant had nothing to do with salvation or saving us. When the Law came down it wasn't to save the Jews, it was a way to set the Jews apart...It was so that outsiders would look at their actions and see that they were YHWH's people. There was no salvation involved here, it merely denoted the Jewish culture. The idea of an afterlife (in Heaven or Hell) didn't come into the Judaic texts until well after the Assyrian captivity, when the Jews were introduced to Zoroastrianism. Interestingly, adopting some of the tenets of an outside religion, such as Z'ism is strictly prohibited according to the Law, but Jew, and implicitly Christian alike, have done just that.

I'm also not sure what a "More Perfect covenant" is supposed to mean. This seems like a nonsensical misnomer. The OT states multiple times that God's 1st covenant was/is perfect, irreplaceable, and never to be changed. Sorry, but you can't get more perfect than perfection. If that were possible, than the "perfect" place you were at before was certainly not perfect.Would you please show me where the OT says that the Old Covenant was perfect? That is untrue, but I can show your where God said He abolished that covenant!

And again, we're running into the same problem of one covenant replacing another "as a means to salvation." The first covenant has nothing to do with salvation. That was never its intent.I certainly haven't said anything to disagree with that, or can you show me that too?




We need to do nothing, to recieve? Are you saying that we no longer need to keep God's previously perfect tenets? I disagree with this from the very start, as believing is something we must do. The NT states over and over again that we must believe. Those who believe will be saved, the unbeliever walks toward ruin, etc. etc. Belief is an action. We still have a simple quid pro quo transaction between God and man. We believe He saved us, then we are saved by Him.It is our belief in Grace, which is a gift and gifts are free and not from performing any "previous perfect tenets". I respectfully believe that you are a bit confused. You say here that the "tenets" were perfect, but above you agree that they have nothing to do with salvation and that is because they could not be done perfectly by man and , therefore, replaced with a perfect, New Covenant.



You are shooting yourself in the foot, here. If man can do nothing perfectly, that means we are also incapable of believing perfectly. This calls into question EVERYTHING you have just told me. I don't know why I should believe you, and quite frankly, I don't know how you can trust that you're believing correctly either...seeing as you can do nothing perfectly. You can throw in "the Holy Spirit tells me I'm believing perfectly," if you'd like, but that really just takes this whole discussion one step back. You believe that the Holy Spirit tells you you are believing perfectly...but do you believe Him?...Perfectly? At some point, you've got to realize, you are still fundamentally relying on your own human faculties, because, quite honestly, they're all you've got.

I never said you have to believe me; I would say you have to believe God. I am also just telling you what I believe, of course, what you believe is up to you, The only thing I can add, is that your belief should be based on scripture, unless you don't believe in scripture, which, in that case, I can be of no help. Also, again, I never said that the Holy Spirit tells me I am believing perfect. You just do not get it. Man can do nothing perfect, that is why the OT Law was inadequate and not meant for salvation, because it would have required man to do the Law perfectly , which he was not capable of. And, I do not rely on my own Human Faculties, because I have much more than that, I have perfection living inside me, called Jesus Christ!